Bore Scoring? - How to sell a 996 with potential problem

The paint needs paint correction to be perfect. It's got many new parts (AOS/Water Pump/Front Suspension/coolant tank/LN Spin On Filter/upgraded audio system/window regulator). Is this a $10K car? I'm weighing my options and thinking of what my next move should be.

I would think $8 -$10k would be a "reasonable" price as the buyer is looking at a $8 - $10k "engine repair" (Nickies at the very least, maybe a few more things "while in there"). Obviously, if they want to go further it will cost them quite a bit more but at the aforementioned price they'd have a well sorted car for $16 -$20k...

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Ouch! Another one bites the dust. Sorry Jay. Just wanted to tell you that I appreciate your honesty. IMHO, so many people don't admit to the problem (like IMS bearing failure) and then when they experience the problem first hand, they don't have the guts to admit it and quietly go off the forums. I've been kind of a quiet "legal bystander" on the forums over the years and one thing is for certain, cylinder bore scoring is a real problem with these M96/M97 base engines. Fortunately, if caught early enough, the problem can be solved, but I'm afraid people just don't want to dump money into their engines and instead put thick oil in them and sell'm to some fool. But thankfully, you're among the non-douche bag crowd that cares about the next owner. What year and model of 996? C4S? C4? Personally, I would take bore scope pictures and post that along with the sale. That might help get people over the edge and may get you more money. I'm pretty sure you'd not get $10,000 for a 996 with cylinder bore scoring. I'd expect much lower. My gut feeling is most people would consider this car just a few notches up from a roller. There was a guy that had a beautiful C4S with low miles and cylinder bore scoring. He ended up selling the car for just $8,000. I'm sure others will chime in, but if this is a C2, then I'd expect around $6,000 - $7,000 on average. If you're patient, you may get a little more. You may be better off to just hold onto the car and take Jake Raby's advice in his YouTube bore scoring series. He did a video on "living with bore scoring" which is Part 7. You Tube

So sorry man. How was this diagnosed? Was it scoped, any pic's? More car info please. Year, options, mileage of used motor etc. Do you still have the old motor? Why not fix the cracked head and put it back in?

Holding onto the car until a later date when you could do something about it is not an option?

You started 11 threads for high mileage owners. Anyways, the price difference between a runner and roller is so great you'll want to get a video camera in all the cylinders and take pictures to figure out and document exactly what is going on in there.

If you still have the old engine, sell it with the car. Explain to any potential buyer that they will at a minimum need to make one engine out of the two if they want a good running engine. This would be a key selling point and would boost the value by a lot, if you can find the right gearhead. Are you 100% sure this is a bore scoring issue?

If you don't need the cash for the home purchase, and are only concerned that you can't allocate money for the repair at this time, check out Jake Raby's 7th video on bore scoring. It tells you how you can live with the engine without causing more damage or at least limiting the damage. You Tube

In 2008 Barry Hart wrote a paper describing all Porsche 3.4 and 3.6 engine blocks installed in 996s are inherently flawed due to insufficient support of cylinder walls causing cylinders to become oval and cracking, and my conclusion is almost all will fail at 60k to 200k miles. There doesn't yet seem to be a reasonable cost option to address this reality. I would define reasonable cost as $6k including removal and install and replacing accessories such as starter and injectors. Maybe a preemptive rebuild could be done for that amount where cylinders are rerounded and steel rings installed on their tops. This has caused some owners to install compact cam-in-block V-6 and V-8 engines. I haven't yet heard if a block from a Turbo or later 911 can be adapted to a 996 computer and wiring system.

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And your point is?

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Our 996 with 103k miles is a magical car we'd like to keep on the road a long time. We, and many other 996 owners, need to identify reasonable cost methods to address the as designed too thin cylinder walls and too fragile ISB etc. Mr. Raby's upcoming video series might provide one method, Hartech's rerounding cylinders and installing a metal ring another.

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If you love the car and want to keep it, just start saving for a proper rebuild in the future...That's my plan!

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Between 60K and 200K?!?!?! Wow that really narrows it down. Anyone can make that kind of a prediction and just sit back and hope it comes true. The reality is that the M96 engine has a lot of shortfalls but they are all random. Some will have problems and others will have no problems what so ever for their entire life but there are certain maintenance times that must be changed when time comes. Some of these things are not so easy to get to and people tend to neglect them. The vario cam tensioner pads are one.

Dont tell the guy with 350k on his 996

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Just out of curiosity.....can you share the vin #? ....or the year/model?.....serial # of the replacement engine?

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I don't understand the relevance of you pointing out my posts about high mileage owners? That's a project I'm working on to write an article about high mileage Porsche's. It has nothing to do with my personal vehicle.

I have most of the full history of the car up until about 60K miles, in the service record book. I'm not going to go over all of that right now though, but I can share those details if anyone is interested. I purchased the car at 90K, and it currently has 120K. I'm listing things I've personally done to it over those 30K miles. Oil was changed with Liqui-Molly every 3K miles, with Napa Oil Filter (it has LN Spin On Adapter). In addition to the major things below, I replaced air filter/cabin filter/wipers, and other small things pretty frequently. Between 110-120K Miles Engine Mounts (OEM) Tires (Sumi V's) - with alignment Front Suspension (every piece was replaced) - Bilstein Struts Brake Pads/Rotors/Fluid Flush (front and rear) Variocam Solenoid Bank 1 Oil Pressure Sensor 90K Miles - when used engine was installed Water Pump Thermostat Coolant Flush Coolant Expansion Tank Clutch AOS Spark Plugs/Coils

Sorry for your problems. Live and learn as they say. Good luck with your investment property. I'm too lazy to look up, but someone here has posted that when buying one of these 996's drive it for a bit before going all in on maintenance $$. I spent about $5k before putting 1k miles on my car. So far, so good, but in hindsight I should have driven it a bit before it was worthy of the maintenance investment.

@Jaycote please check your vin # again. The one you provided comes back as a 2005 Acura TL. Porsche vins will always start with WP0xxxxxxxxxxxxxx. Some simple info like the year, model, options list, etc. will go a long way towards determining a realistic price. Also, there are always some people on here specifically looking for rollers or �pre-rollers�. If you list it, it will sell.

Hmmmm... used replacement engine...The used engine scenario rears it's ugly head (again...). Since it does have a "running engine" - it's NOT a "roller".... As stated earlier in the thread by several members here - you're probably looking at a realistic sale price of $8-$10k. I think $6k is just wishful thinking of the "sharks in the water" looking to snap up a "deal" (careful what you wish for guys). As for your idea to put it up on Craigslist and selling it to an unsuspecting/less discerning, buyer - it would be highly unethical to do so without divulging the background/diagnosis. I'm not making any judgments on your character - just pointing out the potential for digression - I hope you take that into account before trying to "unload" it... Good Luck

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That's why prices remain low. You can never be quite sure why a car is being sold. Even a "typical" PPI won't catch a lot of the issues. Most shops won't bore scope an engine. They may do the basics like hook up a durametric or equivalent to check cam deviation, engine codes, over rev ranges, etc. But, very few actually look into the engine.So, unless you have a very thorough PPI or the car has a new documented engine it seems like buying most any 996/997 is a gamble

naive question. if a "running" car like this was purchased with the intent to use it as a dedicated track car, would that make any sense or would the engine give out under such stress almost immediately? windshield crack would need to be addressed at a minimum.

Do what JR says in Bore Scoring video #7 - use the diesel oil he recommends and just drive it until you have a clearer head about what to do with it.

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Coop, sorry about that! That's actually my other car...I was looking at the wrong VIN If you find any info on it, could you send it to me? I'm curious about the build sheet myself. Thanks!

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You mis-understood what I said. I'm not looking to unload it on craigslist to some unsuspecting buyer. All this info would be provided. I'm just experiencing potential buyers who are true Porsche guys, expecting a concourse 996 with a bad engine, and want to know an extreme amount of details, and then want to offer $5K for it.

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I agree. Like selling a house with a known defect. Most states have laws requiring such disclosures on a house for sale. They even have a form to fill out to list those known defects. Not that people are always honest about it as I have found out...it is still the right thing to do...for a car, as well.

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Yup, those are the "sharks" I was talking about. Then again, once there's "blood in the water" so to speak - you've got to expect to attract some sharks. Ultimately, the "true Porsche guys" (albeit more realistic ones) are the ones that will eventually buy the car. You may not get what you really think it's worth, but it should definitely be north of $5-$6k. Good Luck

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Exactly. There are always bottom feeders. I don't have any problem with that...they occasionally score a good deal. However, just because they low ball you doesn't mean you have to sell. The best way to avoid them is to advertise your car to a wide audience. The more people you reach the higher the chance you will find an enthusiast willing to pay a fair price. But, as has been mentioned many times before, a 996-997 is only worth so much. Even in excellent condition. Once you factor in the cost of a new engine (even if the enthusiast does all the work themselves you are around $10K at best) it doesn't make sense to pay $10K for a high mileage "roller" that has paint, suspension or other needs. You don't want to be $20k+ into a car like that unless it means something to you or is really unique (special paint, factory aero, etc.) But, most enthisiasts

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BINGO! We're savvy buyers, not bottom feeders...

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Jay, can we see some pics of the interior, focusing on any rough spots?

it would be highly unethical to do so without divulging the background/diagnosis. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] A good chunk of the people reporting confirmed bore scoring to us, and moving forward with a build submit a ticket in the category of "I just bought a Porsche and need help!" Lots of these have bought a car that had already been diagnosed with bore scoring, and the prior owner sold it before it got worse, with zero disclosure... This has greatly increased since my Rennvision video series ":A focus on bore scoring" was released. This is because the shops and owners now can diagnose the issues themselves early on, and then the car is sold before major symptoms show up.. a month (or a few) after a buyer gets the car, the symptoms show up, and the new guy who is absolutely in love with the car. He won't bail on the car, and he gets in line for my engine. This happens every 2-3 weeks... The negative about sharing info like I have done, is that it better prepares the prior owner to screw the next guy. Lots of times he sells the car to CarMax, so he doesn't end up directly screwing the next guy.. CarMax then auctions it to other smaller dealers, and they get the car, passing it on to the next guy in line to be hosed.. Lots of times these cars have fresh sealant on the sump plates, because the bore scoring was found during my bore scope sump inspection. One owner has a pending lawsuit over this, and he has taken the prior owner to Court, looking to get 60K in compensation... This is happening absolutely, all the time.. Right now I could bust 3 people red handed that have done this, one of which is on this forum.

I hate unethical people!

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Do you mind posting how much you'll ask for it...or at least the possible price range.

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Yep, I have a few customers looking for a car with bore scoring... They are the perfect case to build from.

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yea he will provide his address, social security number, mother�s maiden name, bank account number and preferred password.

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Engine running with just bore scoring is worth 2k as a core, car as a roller would be $4500 to $6000 depending on condition. Complete probably $5000 to $7000 again condition is a factor. I got a 2001 6 speed carrera4 with a heavily knocking engine for $4500. Paint is bad seats are bad, but it has a complete aero gt3 kit on it and 120,000 miles. Good condition should get much more.

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You forgot the name of his first pet...

Is there any reason to not drive a scored bore engine until it is toast? Seems like no matter what you're doing a total rebuild anyway, no?

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See part 7 of my bore scoring video series for why this should not be done. Driving an engine with this issue shreds the internals, due to carbon byproducts bypassing the cylinders/ rings, and lacing the oil.. We had an engine 2 months ago that we could not build, because all the load bearing surfaces were killed.

Yep,, almost no mechanical issue gets cheaper when ignored..

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Naturally, but what are you out, 2 grand for the core? I guess it depends on how long it takes to go from making some hard to ID tick to driveability problems. Or maybe I'm wrong about how much of these you have to redo while you are in there.

if you price out the parts individually,, its a lot more potentially than 2K If you ruin the crank, depending on the day,, it might be 2K just to get one. Cams are worth good money (1K for nice ones) .. I've seen JUST the cases listed at 2K if not toasted. Now if your a good scrounger,, not so much, but if your half way through the rebuild and the cranks turns out to be sour when they try and polish it,, now you need one right away.. Depends on your financial state as well, to some 2 or 3 K is a lot to some not so much.

I'm going to take some more time and think this through. There's really no good answer here. It kills me to let this go for $5-6K. Even though all my costs are sunk costs. It's going to boil down to whether I need the cash for a home purchase or not. If I don't, I'm going to sit on it for the Winter and see what happens.

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Take your time and crunch the numbers. The "sharks" will be waiting! I truly am sorry to see anyone go through this, I'd be devastated!

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Two more reports in the last 24 hours, and one of those has no desire to repair the engine.

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So, in a year there are 26 bore-scored engines in a field of 175,000 Porsche 996. While that is devastating to the 26 owners, the percentage is actually quite low as a whole. Compare that to every 911 with magnesium case to 911sc needing head stud replacement. We enthusiast crowd on this chat board keeps forgetting that.

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Most people that report to us, or even deal with us never come onto these forums.. They've never heard of bore scoring till it happens, and then it is often misdiagnosed as a lifter before they figure out the real story. I currently have 57 engines on our build board, that have executed proposals in place, with confirmed completion times. 40 of those have bore scoring, the rest have some other failure, or they are elective builds. That's the only fact I can give you. We are maxed out, and not accepting more builds, and have 4 names on the wait list. I'll probably open it back up for a couple of builds in early December, if we get some vehicles shipped as planned. You can talk about numbers, ratios, and percentages all damn day long, and none of them matter until YOU have the decision to make, and you have the issue. Think whatever you have to think to feel better about this scenario, and the potential of having to face it yourself. At the end of the day these cars are worth saving, and bore scoring is the BEST failure that one can have. Remember, when you change the way you look at things, the things you look at will also change. Bore scoring can be an opportunity to create something that's a lot better than it ever was before.

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26 known issues this year by one rebuilder. How many of those 175K cars are still on the road? It's far worse that you think!

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I don't think there are ten Jake Raby in the US. Even if there were, that is still only 200 engines per year. My personal 997 has 92,000 miles on it. It has the occasion flat six smoke at start up. My wife drives it everyday. If and when it has bore scoring, I will get a Porsche short block and drive it another 100 kmiles before I bury the car. Or maybe I will send the new liners out to get them Nikasil plated, put in new rings, new bearings, valve job, and drive it another 100k miles. The Dilavar studs did not keep me from buying and enjoying my 911SC, the bore-scoring thing is not going to stop me from owning and driving a Porsche 997.

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There are way more than 10 guys out there "rebuilding" Porsche engines in the US. Most of them do it poorly and are being put in cars that car flippers "fix" and resell. The bore-scoring issue is not a reason not to enjoy the car. It is a reason to operate the car properly to minimize its appearance.

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I think you meant, "... to minimize it's disappearance"?

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I meant to minimize the appearance of scoring not of the cars

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I bet Jake hears about a tiny percentage of the M9x engines that fail. Most people will take it to a local mechanic, and will never even hear about Jake. Jake doesn't advertise in order to let everyone know about him. His advertising is primarily word of mouth.(or from a few small forums) Jake has trained a bunch of people how to rebuild M9x engines. But unfortunately the majority of people rebuilding M9x engines have not had his training.

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By getting the vin# I was trying to figure out "if" it was part of the (expired) Porsche settlement.....just out of curiosity...to see "how far" it was among the vin# and engine serial # disclosed in the settlement...or if the replacement engine is/was a double row IMs

"Jake doesn't advertise in order to let everyone know about him." I guess you don't read Panorama (PCA Magazine)... Nothing wrong with advertising either - especially when it's tasteful and properly targeted.

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I get Panorama, but it rarely ever makes it out of the plastic wrapper. I rarely get a chance to read it. I don't remember seeing an ad for FSI in it the few times I've looked at it. Next time I read it I'll keep an eye out for the ad. He probably doesn't need to advertise there; FSI doesn't seem to have a problem attracting more business than they need to have.

Those ads are part of a PCA sponsorship. They are being changed to only cover the new M9X engine rebuild video series, now that it is ready to sell. I don't open Pano either, or any other magazine.. They just come in, and go on a shelf in their plastic wrapper.

Not to mention the 1000's that had factory replacement dating back to the early days.

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Or the ones that had an IMSB failure while the cylinders were scoring...

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Not since Pete Stout left.

Jake, Jay mentioned he ignored the codes and ran with a bad CAT. Could that promote fueling issues then promote scoring?

With these thousands of 996 cars suffering borescoring, how come we don't see more rollers being offered for sale? Not all owners will rebuild their cars and will simply opt to sell the rollers with bad engines. There is a thread right now about "why it's so hard to find a roller?"

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And in that thread two popped up in a day if I recall. They're hard to sell and the sit on the market, then expire and get re-listed later sometimes. Understand, 1000 car didn't all of a sudden develop bore scoring one day at the same time. Others go to auction, get bought and someone throws a used motor from a wrecked 996 in it and sells it. Between here and one of the FB groups, I see at least two a month pop up with serious engine issues.

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The strong economy is one reason. People are "fixing" more of these cars than I have seen since 2007. During the recession I bought 17 M9X powered Porsche's in one year that the owners gave up on when the engine failed. I stopped dealing with the purchases of rollers, and repairing the engines when I became afraid that I'd deal with the wrong person that couldn't be pleased. This year we've only seen 3-4 people say that they wanted to sell the car as is, rather than repair it. One of those was just earlier this week. Also, the dynamic of this is another big factor. Since the scoring is being noted early on in a lot of cases, the original owner that had the symptoms and figured out they had the affliction was able to get rid of the car before the failure was clearly occurring. Then.... Enter the new owner... He just bought the car, and he is massively in love with it. He describes it as "my first Porsche" and he uses terms like "I have wanted one forever, and I can finally afford it". He quickly learns that affording to buy a Porsche, and affording to own a Porsche are two different things.. A few weeks, or months after purchase, his heart is broken when the symptoms begin to show themselves... Someone googles the symptoms, and we end up with a trouble ticket that is a broken record.... So, in this scenario the guy will do anything to keep the car, because he is so in love with it, and it runs "perfectly" even though it eats as much oil as fuel, has a ticking sound that "is a lifter" (NOT!) and he can only dream how much better the car would be after we reconstruct the engine our way.. So, you never see his roller come up for sale, because he will do anything to keep the car that he has wanted forever, and the strong economy has afforded him the funds (or credit) to pay the bill for my engine. This is the scenario that happens over and over, and I have a Cayman ticket in the system right now that just started tonight that is just like this! Over, and over, and over again...... Here it is! " Ticket 882 has been replied to. zaino wrote: Thanks for the reply Jake! Yes, I watched all the videos about cylinder scoring, and that�s what prompted me to do the bore scoping. I had the car for not even a month, ignorance prevented me from doing a proper PPI in the first place. Do you have Certified people in Vancouver Canada? Or where would the closest be? Shipping to your shop at the moment seems too big a thing to do... I would be happy to have a chat on the phone at your convenience. How can we schedule a time? Cheers, XXXXX

Jake, I agree the economy helps. But, I think a couple other factors are at play as well. A few years ago there weren't really any options for a bad motor except to buy a new one from Porsche or buy one from a wrecked car. In the last few years, more options (and, most importantly) more information has become available. With the work you, Charles and others have done there are more engine options than ever. FSI turn key engines, rebuilt blocks from LN and others, factory short blocks, etc. These options provide solutions for different budgets. Also, let's don't forget the information. This forum has educated hundreds,if not thousands, of people. Your participation in sharing your knowledge has been invaluable. Your videos are educating countless people on the M96/97 engines. The hands on classes you offer are phenomenal. The M96 class I attended in May 2017 was one of the most worthwhile and enjoyable classes I have ever attended. Now that you will be offering a DVD and streaming series of engine rebuilding classes, even more people will have the opportunity to learn the "secrets" of these engines. This alone may cause a slight jump in 996 prices as people realize these engines can be repaired and made to run reliably.

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Bill, Thanks.. Time has both helped, and hurt these cars and projects. Back in the day it was a decision of either buying my engine, or a crate engine from Porsche. When I started this you could buy a crate engine for 7,500.00, or less that was 100% complete.The Boxster engines were 5K in a lot of cases. Each November Porsche would run a special with no core charges, or core engines being required to purchase a new engine. Back then we were still busier than we wanted to be, with around a 6-8 month backlog all the time, even though my engine had a cost of 2-3X what the factory engine could be bought for. These cars are doing well.. I truly thought that by 2020 we'd not be building any more M9X engine, or maybe only doing a handful each year. While the 9a1 engine is giving us 1/3 of our workload now, I am still stalled with M9X work, despite the price tags being higher than they have ever been for these engines.

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Really? https://providence.craigslist.org/ct...043867908.html

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Wait, this is the car with the bore-scoring issue AND the battery hooked up reverse? I would not offer $5K for it. One problem is bad enough but two?

Ouch! The more I read this forum the less I even want my car. Selling that car non running with an electrical issue is a really bad move. The whole thing seems shady.

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Too funny....in a bad way. You can buy a decent running car for the same or not much more

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It's just that there are two very serious problems and one does not even have an obvious solution... It is now a "deep pocket car" and could go to a "very deep pocket car" just like that. Part it out. Sell the pieces.

Good car for someone who has the DIY skills and is looking for a “science project”. Count on a deep dive/replacement of the DME, a significant portion of the wiring harness, and of course an engine rebuild. I’d probably pay $4000 for it, delivered to NC, or at least met half way.

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There's a beautiful low mile 03 that just came on the market, I saw on FB 911 buy and sell for $7500. that had IMSB failure(he thinks) Also there a guy selling a 99 for $10K with no issues. In Huntersville NC

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i don�t do FB, but if you can sent me the link, my wife has a log-in. An �03 would be tempting!

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Busted !!!

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I saw it yesterday when it was first listed. But, I don't see it today. It may have sold quickly!

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Same here. It was a really nice car. I see one a month pop up there.

Something I think a lot of folks forget is there are some perfectly qualified builders out there that can do a fully complete rebuild, they are buying the nickies or the Hartech cases and putting the engine together.. Also ,, there is the "local" connection,, I have a friend that does one -off car rebuilds,, he typically has them for a year. He's a really good engine tech,, as good as any out there,, I've helped him when he needed extra hands on engines that are far harder to assemble than a 996.. And yes there are harder engines Timing some of the early attempts at spur gear driven quad cams,, without the info Jake and others contribute here.. An Adventure..

You've got to realize, for someone to get a real "bargain" on a 996, someone has to "take a bath" on a 996.. I don't see a lot of posts of anyone selling a 996 for more than they paid (unless they got a "bargain")..

I paid 18 for mine,, and I think I got a real creampuff, has 117K but the first 4 years the guy had a 80 mile fast freeeway commute and the car got the oil changes like every other month.. so "good" 996 miles,, I get the impression form the shop that maintained it that a lot of his commute was in the 85 to 90 MPH range.. He traded it for a GT3.. that he daily drove after mine.. Thats a guy that like it..

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I might be the exception but I bought my 99 C2 Aero in 2017 for $21k from a guy on 6spdonline. Sold it for $25k two years and 10k miles later on BaT..... Picked up my 02 C4S for $21.5k two months ago. But it�s going to Jake next summer so I won�t be seeing a profit on this one 😂

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OH, but when you get it back from Jake it's going to be so much more fun than your previous version!!!

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Ha, yeah I�m so looking forward to the new 4.0 power!

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Make 4k on one, spend 30k on the next= "High Roller"..

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Haha! If I was a high roller I�d be parking a GT3, or a Singer in my garage. Just a blue collar 996 owner here 👍

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Heads up Jake, someone might be calling soon. �The previous owner didn�t tell me...�

Have I missed something or has the OP left the building?

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Oh, I remember this guy. He mistakenly swapped polarity and pretty much toasted (no pun intended) his car on top of the bore scoring issue. Ouch. He's asking a lot for a virtual roller and not mentioning the cylinder 5 problem, is not very classy at all. douche-bag strike one. Oh, and now I see he's edited his original post which admitted the bore scoring on cylinder 5. douche-bag strike two. OP, never go double douche-bag!

Maybe just a lapse of memory?

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Yea maybe, but there have been a lot of these bore scoring threads these days and so it's hard to keep up. Awareness of the issue I guess.

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Once you go through bore scoring, I did, you never forget...

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I just checked the ad and cannot find anything on cylinder 5?

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He removed mention of cyl 5 in his first post on this thread. Wow...we really see peoples true colors i guess.

SCUMBAG!

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Yeah, but the title of the thread still tells the story... "Bore Scoring? - How to sell a 996 with potential problem"

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Yup and he can't edit that! Buyer beware!

The fact is, that car is not going to sell for $11,500 even with the admittance of the burned up electrical system. The right thing to do, is to reedit the Craigslist ad and mention the bore scoring issue along with electrical screw up. Maybe we can help him with a creative title? 1. Porsche 996 - A shockingly good deal that may seem boring at first 2. Porsche 996 - Feel the burn and score a great deal! 3. Porsche 996 - Best car for burning up the highway 4. Porsche 996 roller for $11,500 - comes with a 1 year membership to AAA 5. Porsche 996 - Electrical Problem - I let it warm up too long 6. Porsche 996 - Fried Egg Combo - limited offer - get one cylinder bored for free 7. Porsche 996 - Free jump start lessons and battery installation included 8. Porsche 996 - IMS failure is not an issue with this car! 9. Porsche 996 - It worked last time I drove it 10. Porsche 996 - never seen rain and only driven on the highways. (I couldn't help that one)

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Number 2 made me laugh out loud.

I contacted that guy (kid?) a month ago, before he toasted the electrical system. I asked for pictures and never got them. Good! BTW, #10 seems to be boiler plate on lots of ads. Apparently it only rains where I live and I'm the only one that doesn't live right next to a highway. ...still looking!

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You forgot the ubiquitous �Ran when parked� !

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If you let it go - that is what it is worth. Forget about your bore scoring issue, your car needs a new wiring harness and not even thicker oil is going to save you from that. Unless this is Jon Voight's old car, I agree.

I wouldn't touch it for $4K!

Maybe someone should make an ad on his local Craigslist warning people about the car...

So I e-mailed the ad. He isn't quite willing to be totally dishonest, only moderately. I asked him if there are any known problems with the car other than the damage from reversing the wiring. He said " The car makes a slight ticking/knocking noise, which may indicate worn lifters, or bore scoring. The engine runs good and no burning oil or any other side effects."

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Well he is not dishonest there. Its up to the buyer to take that info and have a proper PPI done but it should be mentioned in the ad.

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Didn't he say in the original post before he edited it that he had a mechanic diagnose it and it has bore scoring in cylinder 5?

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I don't remember the original post honestly but regardless it should be listed in the ad. Its unfortunate, I understand nobody wants to take a loss on something but screwing someone over on a car sale is about as low as it gets. I've bought and sold so many cars, I pride myself on being as honest and helpful as I can when it comes to a sale.

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Well, I�ve been screwed before. We bought an Audi Q5 that had front end damage that was repaired, but ended up with some problems that lingered ever since. For example, when it�s really hot outside, on long highway trips, the engine will stall and die. A restart after 15 mins is sufficient. But it�s not fun having my whole family in the car on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere. All because of unethical people trying to hide something about their car. And CarFax was no help to us either - the CarFax was clean at the time.

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He sure did!

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Carfax is a guideline unfortunately a ppi is still a wise choice. I bought an E36 m3 that slid into the wall at a track, was fixed right and was one of the best cars I ever owned. Never would have known if the seller wasn�t a stand up guy.

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The crazy part is that I took the car to a 3rd party paint shop when Audi wouldn�t honor the warranty on a defective item to see if the car was indeed in a previous accident. The shop that looked at the car had a paint guy that painted high end cars, such as Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, others. He said, �definitely not in an accident,� but of course, we was wrong. And now I know what to look for and can see the issues plain as day. So even so called �experts� can miss these things.

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This is a lesson I have learned too. I'll never be able to price it, but I'm pretty sure the shop that did the repair was the bodyshop of the selling dealer too. From now on I'm bringing a paint depth gauge with me.