Retro Fit Chrono to CR - Page 2 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

Afternoon, Been to look at a Cayamn R (manual) and the vehicle has NO Sports Chrono.. I understand you can have the button retro fitted at OPC? What does it do and will not having it (the clock on dash) spoil resale? And lastly, can you get Sports Plus on a manual (only seeing it on PDK) and what does that do? (sorry, still learning these Cayman things..)

Dan911 said: I understand you can have the button retro fitted at OPC? Yes! Dan911 said: What does it do and will not having it (the clock on dash) spoil resale? In a manual car it will change the throttle map and the car will allow a bit more slip before the stability control kicks in. With the PDK it will do the same things and actually give you faster shift times, thus improving performance. I can’t answer the resale question but I would prefer a car without the clock on the dash over one that has it. Dan911 said: And lastly, can you get Sports Plus on a manual (only seeing it on PDK) and what does that do? The Sports Chrono Plus package is only available with PCM and it adds a performance related gadget (lap time recording?) to the infotainment system. Other than that they are the same. It could be that all the PDK cars you looked at had PCM. Dan911 said: (sorry, still learning these Cayman things..) so am I

On a manual it doesn't do anything you can't do with your right foot, except for the slip angle thing. Frankly mine slips enough when provoked as it is. I wouldn't want any more on the road (or the track actually). I wonder if it makes a bigger difference on cars without LSD?

buy it makes the throttle how it should feel, and you DO need the slip, the cars to nanny state without sport, I drive 100% in sports mode

Chrono is essential on PDK. Not so important on a man box but nice if it has it. No big deal without on stick.

Thanks, Two cars I've seen.. (can't view PDK till end of month) Car one - CR PDK - Every option.... Car two - CR Man - Sport Exhaust, buckets, Climate Both same miles, same age, same owners.. But PDK is £3000 cheaper.. Toys and PDK -v- Manual I'll let you know how I get on. Thanks again.

buy a 981 with x73 if you want PDK it's a better car with gen 2 PDK. point of buying a R is to have the last of the cars with a bit of feel and that inc manual. It's a car you want to drive, why let it drive you ? you will just end up moving it on quick as it's not very involving. you state "But PDK is £3000 cheaper.." that's going to be the future, the cars not a PDK car, PDK market is in the 981 and the upcoming GT4/R not a 987.2 R market will be dead for PDK on the R and Spyder imo in a few years.

Personally I think its the Sports Chrono should have been standard - The extra slip angle make the car much of a joy to drive on the road, without the need to remove the driver aids completely. Sports Chrono also gives you an extra 500rpm on the limiter which I do think is needed - far to easy to hit the soft limiter when on the move with the power thats available upto the redline.

I have to say I think you're right. Not the market for PDK thing, but the 'Car to drive' I would of hated my GT3 if it was a PDK. Half the fun was holding the revs up..

Dan911 said: I have to say I think you're right. Not the market for PDK thing, but the 'Car to drive' I would of hated my GT3 if it was a PDK. Half the fun was holding the revs up.. and driving involvement aside, the shifting speed and -algorithms of double clutch transmissions will improve with every iteration, thus making the predecessors feel slow and outdated. I don’t think PDK itself will age very gracefully in the light of newer, faster versions with hybrid torque fill and all that jazz. A good manual will always be a good manual.

Dan911 said: I have to say I think you're right. Not the market for PDK thing, but the 'Car to drive' I would of hated my GT3 if it was a PDK. Half the fun was holding the revs up.. Take it you don't want to use mine anymore then

Does sport mode on manual cars change the rev limit at all? Keep meaning to book mine in...must do it tomorrow.

DaveOrange said: Take it you don't want to use mine anymore then Stop it... You know I adore yours.

griffter said: On a manual it doesn't do anything you can't do with your right foot, except for the slip angle thing. ^^^ This On my manual Boxster S the main think the Sport button does is switch on a little red light next to the Sport button... Mind you, that's still 1,000% more of a performance enhancement than sticking a Sport badge on the back of a Range Rover!

Sport mode on a manual will increase throttle response, increase rev limiter and allow more slip before the traction control kicks in

Decoy said: Sport mode on a manual will increase throttle response, increase rev limiter and allow more slip before the traction control kicks in And unlocks extra settings in the pcm, apparently.

Op this may be of use http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=...

Specifically specced my Cayman R without sport chrono because I hate the look of the wart on the dash. I had it on my 911 and hated it. I did, however have the sport mode retro fitted which gave me that nice extra slip and hard limiter without the wart. Cost me £680 fitted if I remember but prices vary wildly between OPCs. Swindon was the cheapest and I got Reading to match that price. Edited by MDT48 on Friday 10th October 20:33

I have a PDK equipped R (it's a daily driver circa 600miles a week) and I would not want it without sports chrono because that gives you Sports Plus box and engine mapping. Sport mode is ok for general driving but not enough when you are really on it. The car comes alive in Sport Plus and everything hooks up in an incredible, intense, telepathic way. Turning all sports modes off leaves you in Mway cruise mode. The clock on the dash is horrid but I look at the road the dash... Edited by aelord on Friday 10th October 21:33

Dan911 said: Afternoon, Been to look at a Cayamn R (manual) and the vehicle has NO Sports Chrono.. I understand you can have the button retro fitted at OPC? What does it do and will not having it (the clock on dash) spoil resale? And lastly, can you get Sports Plus on a manual (only seeing it on PDK) and what does that do? (sorry, still learning these Cayman things..) YHM .

aelord said: I have a PDK equipped R (it's a daily driver circa 600miles a week) and I would not want it without sports chrono because that gives you Sports Plus box and engine mapping. Sport mode is ok for general driving but not enough when you are really on it. The car comes alive in Sport Plus and everything hooks up in an incredible, intense, telepathic way. Turning all sports modes off leaves you in Mway cruise mode. The clock on the dash is horrid but I look at the road the dash... Edited by aelord on Friday 10th October 21:33 This is pretty much the way I use my R too. However I find Sports + mode a bit too much for road use, although that may be down to where I tend to drive. Plain old Sports mode is just about spot on for most of my cross country jaunts.

Yep, Sport + is for shortish bursts of clear road that is quite technical and benefits from very rapid shifts up an down the box. It is too intense for say the bits where you slow for villages etc. But boy it is good in small doses, and allows more slip too. I use Sport for most country work, flicking the paddles to my tastes when the box doesn't match my wishes.

Personally, on the manual I think it's a gimmic. The throttle response only alters pedal travel, it does nothing to the engines responsiveness, so in my opinion makes it harder to be delicate with the throttle when on the limit. If you want extra slip then just turn off PSM - 987's are so predictable and easy to control on the limit anyway. Another thing (admittedly this doesn't relate to the CR), but on the 981 sports mode rev matches on downshifts which means you can't heel and toe!! (unless someone can correct me I don't think this feature can be disabled).

johnnyhar said: Personally, on the manual I think it's a gimmic. The throttle response only alters pedal travel, it does nothing to the engines responsiveness, so in my opinion makes it harder to be delicate with the throttle when on the limit. If you want extra slip then just turn off PSM - 987's are so predictable and easy to control on the limit anyway. Another thing (admittedly this doesn't relate to the CR), but on the 981 sports mode rev matches on downshifts which means you can't heel and toe!! (unless someone can correct me I don't think this feature can be disabled). The soft rev limiter is removed to isn't it? Power tailing off at 6800 sucks.

Would a retro-fit chrono include the stop watch? My concern would be you can almost never use the stopwatch feature - no tracks will permit it, and if it's found running after a crash your insurers will want some words

the sport button has another function. it raises the threshold where psm reactvates. what you want to do is to have sport mode on and psm off. this means that only when both front wheels trigger abs does psm re-activate. without the sports mode, all it takes is for 1 wheel to lock up and psm is re-activated. on track, this can occasional be useful at the limit. the increased throttle sensitivity can save a tiny bit of time in getting back on power, but to me this is less impt. anywho, i would fit it if you intend to go on track and find psm intrusive, otherwise, 1 wheel locking up is enough......

981 manual has two modes so 1st mode does not auto blip 2nd mode does. I liked it on track thought it worked well, but then you can heal and toe if you wish.

mrdemon said: 981 manual has two modes so 1st mode does not auto blip 2nd mode does. I liked it on track thought it worked well, but then you can heal and toe if you wish. Oh OK, that seems more sensible

BGHughes said: Would a retro-fit chrono include the stop watch? My concern would be you can almost never use the stopwatch feature - no tracks will permit it, and if it's found running after a crash your insurers will want some words No you don't get the 'wart' with a retro fit.

My car is a pretty basic manual 981 S so the Sport button does practically nothing. However, when it was in for service they lent me a PDK with Sport Chrono. I can tell you on good authority that "Sport +" is for track work. ....unless you like to redline your car in every gear all the time. Gets the revs right up and keeps them right there.