The new 718 Gt4/Spyder are here! - Page 349 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

New gt4/spyder https://newstv.porsche.com/en Thought I would start a new post bringing both cars together so we are not toggling between the old posts

Great idea 1 of each please Now to see when order books are opened

For the cost of a secondhand 991.2gt3 you could have both, no press release from porsche on specs and price yet though. The spyder is my pick of the two makes the 991 speedster look mega expensive!

£75,384 for the GT4, £73,405 for the Spyder.

And they arent a limited production either

Twinfan said: £75,384 for the GT4, £73,405 for the Spyder. Where you get this from. So 10K more than the 981, plus options. 80 to 85K car?

The last ones weren't either, it's all down to build slots in whatever window Porsche have allowed for these to be built.

JayK12 said: Where you get this from. So 10K more than the 981, plus options. 80 to 85K car? It's in a UK press release, see the GT4 thread. I'd say £85k optioned up is about right.

Twinfan said: £75,384 for the GT4, £73,405 for the Spyder. Thanks , cannot find a link to uk pricing , found one for Euros circa 90k+ Interestingly the acceleration figures are much the same as old model

They are on topgear.com

tedblog said: And they arent a limited production either But they will be limited by the amount the factory can build as per last model

GT4P said: tedblog said: And they arent a limited production either But they will be limited by the amount the factory can build as per last model On one of the reviews it says " unlike before ,production for these cars wont be limited"

At those prices and a longer production run I can see the 981 cars prices slipping. £80-85k for a nicely specd 718gt4 / spyder why pay more than £70k for the older model

Auto-Start Stop and cylinder de-activation for the first time in GT Car.... So it will be running around town on 4 pots. But at least it exists! Edited by TDT on Monday 17th June 23:40

GT4P said: At those prices and a longer production run I can see the 981 cars prices slipping. £80-85k for a nicely specd 718gt4 / spyder why pay more than £70k for the older model Yep. Cars depreciate.

Both the new GT4 and Spyder have exactly the same power,torque,weight, acceleration figures and suspension ..My only concern is the quoted weight for both are 1420Kg DIn Empty.. Does this include the 75Kg Driver and luggage, if not they've put on an awful lot of blubber..Its nearly enough to put me right off them if i'm deciphering the figures correctly.

The new exhaust filter weighs 12kgs! No pdk apparently

Taffy66 said: Both the new GT4 and Spyder have exactly the same power,torque,weight, acceleration figures and suspension ..My only concern is the quoted weight for both are 1420Kg DIn Empty.. Does this include the 75Kg Driver and luggage, if not they've put on an awful lot of blubber..Its nearly enough to put me right off them if i'm deciphering the figures correctly. Bigger battery and starter motor to support Auto-Start Stop, Diffuser, Particulate Filters, physically larger engine make up for most of this - also they cannot get the car certified with options fitted such as PCCB or Carbon Buckets.

TDT said: also they cannot get the car certified with options fitted such as PCCB or Carbon Buckets. The exact ruling re options is a bit vague but iirc it's supposed to be 'representative'. Probably just means declared factory weights are now merely quite far off rather than completely farcical....

Awesome cars but I'm a bit underwhelmed so far, I’m not sure they’ve moved the game on as much as even the 991.1 to 991.2 GT3. I think I was expecting more......

breadvan said: Awesome cars but I'm a bit underwhelmed so far, I’m not sure they’ve moved the game on as much as even the 991.1 to 991.2 GT3. I think I was expecting more...... Agreed. Like i said ChrisW basically already built this car - but he has better brakes and suspension. On the note.. off bed so i can be @ Donny bright and early.

Everything seems on point but it still has the same gearbox ratios as the 981 version.....

breadvan said: Awesome cars but I'm a bit underwhelmed so far, I’m not sure they’ve moved the game on as much as even the 991.1 to 991.2 GT3. I think I was expecting more...... Quite curious. What exactly were you expecting then? And how was the gen 2 gt3 more different to the gen1 than with the gt4?

Pdk and manual would’ve done for me.

Hard to get excited with headline bhp and engine sizes when it’s put on weight and posts the same performance as the last one. Also looks very torque limited with that flat cut off. Nice car at the price, but not the mini GT3 every one wished for. 991.1 GTS any one, lighter, faster and with a better engine like the race car :-)

isaldiri said: The exact ruling re options is a bit vague but iirc it's supposed to be 'representative'. Probably just means declared factory weights are now merely quite far off rather than completely farcical.... The official empty weight of 1420Kg is very surprising and a full 45Kg heavier than the 718 GTS Cayman/Boxster..The new GT4 now weighs virtually the same as the 991.2GT3 RS which is even more perplexing. However i can testify to the fact that the EU official homologation weights are now for the car in 100% standard spec with zero options added, weight adding or weight reducing alike.. My 992S came with a Customer copy of the new factory WLTP spec for my personal specced car..It mentions the official homologated weight of 1515KG DIN weight and the 1590KG including 75KG driver + luggage..However there's also a separate weight figure for my actual 992 including my individual options..This figure is 1623KG including the 1590KG(inc 75KG driver) and a total extra 33KG for all the non standard additional cost extras..This also affects the emissions and fuel economy for my car.. This factory supplied sheet of paper was never supplied with any of my previous pre WLTP Porsches..

Taffy66 said: The official empty weight of 1420Kg is very surprising and a full 45Kg heavier than the 718 GTS Cayman/Boxster..The new GT4 now weighs virtually the same as the 991.2GT3 RS which is even more perplexing. However i can testify to the fact that the EU official homologation weights are now for the car in 100% standard spec with zero options added, weight adding or weight reducing alike.. Personally, I'd take all factory weights with a massive pinch of salt still. declared weight of the .2 3rs is 1430kg. there is absolutely no way that is 100% standard spec car as Sport Auto weighed their car (full WP pack with mag wheels, no PCM but with a halo seat) and it was 1443kg. Ok that was closer than the gen1 which was nearer to 1500kg with the same declared weight but the factory weight is guaranteed not to be a 100% standard spec car imo.

One good thing about that particulate filter is it means we should have no issues with track day noise. The more I look the more I am drawn to the Spyder. Where on road enjoyment is harder to come by, flipping the roof down brings another element. Then with GT department development you know it will work on track.

Have to say I'm slightly underwhelmed - it seems like a slight evolution, which I'm sure will be improved all round, but not a game changer. The 4.0 with more power is very welcome, but it sounds like they haven't changed the gear ratios at all? Such an easy fix, why? Plus it looks pretty similar to the 981. The real snag is not limited production - what does that mean for value retention? I thought all GT products were limited? Or in the real world does that just prevent massive overs? I guess it all depends on how it's recieved by the motoring press. Don't get me wrong...I still want one...! However, the thing I wasnt expecting was how appealing the Spyder seems now (I had a 987 Spyder before my 981 GT4)! That rear looks immense! Although still think I'd have to go GT4... I wonder how allocations will work now they are not limited...?

They're still limited by production, just not by "x of x" badges.

They might be limited by production, but what is that production limit?? I had an M2 which was limited by production and they produced a lot!

Limited production - No Limited availability - 100% absolutely Porsche are not daft

I am guessing easy 2x 3x more what was suggested before produced.

If they produce a 718/6 with PDK then they really could sell them in volume. Even if production of the GT4 and Spyder isn't actually limited they will remain niche market cars.

Not quite sure why but I am underwhelmed. I was looking forward to this but had almost resigned myself to buying the 992 expecting I wouldn’t get allocation. Save myself some money with this (relatively) or wait for the inevitable 992 GTS it’s a shame there’s no PDK option but I can see why.

Folding buckets don't seem to be an option on the GT4 but they are on the Spyder, for the heated option I suspect. 911R won't be pleased...

Link to first Porsche video of the GT4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMxAW1nm2D0

I’m going to use all avenues to get one. At a guess 85k with spec, heavier - still doesn’t put me off if honest.

There isn't a massive gulf between 991.1 and 991.2 GT3s, although the second gen is clearly better. Personally I think its a really great progression and its awesome that they've managed to get an N/A 6 in there. I've always felt the 718 was a good looking car, a GT4 is the first one I'd feel happy owning. I wouldn't be surprised if people think that a Cayman S feels quicker in day to day traffic with PDK and that boosty flat 4 though

Actually on 2nd look perhaps the new engine might deliver more shove in the last 1000rpm which would for me be a considerable improvement over the 981. Peak power is quoted I think at 7600 (8k limit) while peak torque has stayed constant despite the capacity increase so perhaps it's been tuned to keep up higher up the rev range. That imo was the biggest issue with the previous car rather than the gearing.

isaldiri said: Actually on 2nd look perhaps the new engine might deliver more shove in the last 1000rpm which would for me be a considerable improvement over the 981. Peak power is quoted I think at 7600 (8k limit) while peak torque has stayed constant despite the capacity increase so perhaps it's been tuned to keep up higher up the rev range. That imo was the biggest issue with the previous car rather than the gearing. so is it really a "detuned" GT3 engine with the same internals? Might it then be possible to increase the rev limit further without the engine lunching itself?

Love the looks of the Spyder. For me that's the clear choice as a road car. Again, remarkably good value. Porsche keep doing it. However, the GTS and T variants don't look quite such good buys anymore. Unless you particularly wanted turbo torque and PDK why would you?

MDL111 said: so is it really a "detuned" GT3 engine with the same internals? Might it then be possible to increase the rev limit further without the engine lunching itself? No, I believe it is a bored out 3.0 from the carrera without the Turbo. Or at least I read that somewhere.

MDL111 said: so is it really a "detuned" GT3 engine with the same internals? Might it then be possible to increase the rev limit further without the engine lunching itself? I would guess a remap would liberate a few bhp but more to it than that. Be interesting to see precisely how they have detuned it.

Over over under steer said: MDL111 said: so is it really a "detuned" GT3 engine with the same internals? Might it then be possible to increase the rev limit further without the engine lunching itself? No, I believe it is a bored out 3.0 from the carrera without the Turbo. Or at least I read that somewhere. ah ok thanks, that is a little less exciting then

From UK Motor 1. It's loosely based on the 9A2, from the 991.2

Not sure at this stage it is enough of an upgrade to buy one. A bit disappointing was expecting it to break 4.0 to 60 etc. Handicapped by new emissions on sound and pace?

MDL111 said: so is it really a "detuned" GT3 engine with the same internals? Might it then be possible to increase the rev limit further without the engine lunching itself? I think people have got a bit too hung up on whether it's a detuned gt3 engine or not tbh. Take the engine as it is specs wise and it doesn't really matter whether it's a bored out 9A1, bored out 9A2 or detuned gt3 tbh. Revs to 8k, peak power high 7s, peak torque maintained till 6800. that doesn't exactly suggest a sluggish engine depending on whether the quoted terms are actually reliable!

isaldiri said: I think people have got a bit too hung up on whether it's a detuned gt3 engine or not tbh. Take the engine as it is specs wise and it doesn't really matter whether it's a bored out 9A1, bored out 9A2 or detuned gt3 tbh. Revs to 8k, peak power high 7s, peak torque maintained till 6800. that doesn't exactly suggest a sluggish engine depending on whether the quoted terms are actually reliable! Completely agree with this comment.

isaldiri said: MDL111 said: so is it really a "detuned" GT3 engine with the same internals? Might it then be possible to increase the rev limit further without the engine lunching itself? I think people have got a bit too hung up on whether it's a detuned gt3 engine or not tbh. Take the engine as it is specs wise and it doesn't really matter whether it's a bored out 9A1, bored out 9A2 or detuned gt3 tbh. Revs to 8k, peak power high 7s, peak torque maintained till 6800. that doesn't exactly suggest a sluggish engine depending on whether the quoted terms are actually reliable! That’s true although if based on the GT engine, there might be after market options for getting the engine speed / power up ala what people did with Mezger engines in the past to “overcome” the Porsche differentiation from the GT3 spec - mid-engined GT3 effectively

cc3 said: Not sure at this stage it is enough of an upgrade to buy one. A bit disappointing was expecting it to break 4.0 to 60 etc. Handicapped by new emissions on sound and pace? It probably will once the various publications get their hands on one and test 0-60mph. Porsche tend to be very conservative in their figures. Like others, am most interested to see if the extra torque from the 4.0 alleviates the most common 981 GT4 complaint around long gearing for road driving.

cc3 said: Not sure at this stage it is enough of an upgrade to buy one. A bit disappointing was expecting it to break 4.0 to 60 etc. Handicapped by new emissions on sound and pace? Best to forget about the drag race times for the GT4 IMO because judging it on that criteria it is slower than PDK equipped 718 GTS (4.1 sec).

Well i've just configured my spec online and its coming out at £98,429 for a clubsport car with the extras I wanted. Getting very close to 991.1 GT3 territory at that price www.porsche-code.com/PLVCLIV6

isaldiri said: Actually on 2nd look perhaps the new engine might deliver more shove in the last 1000rpm which would for me be a considerable improvement over the 981. Peak power is quoted I think at 7600 (8k limit) while peak torque has stayed constant despite the capacity increase so perhaps it's been tuned to keep up higher up the rev range. That imo was the biggest issue with the previous car rather than the gearing. The reason the max torque figure at 310lb/ft is identical to the 981 GT4 and 981 Spyder is that the six speed gearbox is strictly limited by EU licence to this torque figure..Even increasing the max torque by say 2lb/ft would necessitate developing a totally new gearbox which would have been cost prohibitive..I actually like the fact that they were legally unable to increase the torque figure as it forced Porsche's hand to develop more power higher up the rev range resulting in a higher rev limit.. The lack of top end sparkle was my main gripe with the 981GT4 so fingers crossed that the new one has a much racier character..

£82k Crayon Heated Buckets Nav Leather dash TAKE MY MONEY. Julian at OPC Tonbridge probably is sick of me already!

browngt3 said: Love the looks of the Spyder. For me that's the clear choice as a road car. Again, remarkably good value. Porsche keep doing it. However, the GTS and T variants don't look quite such good buys anymore. Unless you particularly wanted turbo torque and PDK why would you? Interestingly it just over £14K to upgrade from a Cayman 718GTS to a 718GT4..By the same measure it costs a much more reasonable £10K+ to upgrade the Boxster 718GTS to the 718 Spyder..The new Spyder is the best buy especially given its new Motorsport developed track credentials over the 981 Spyder.

Joehow said: £82k Crayon Heated Buckets Nav Leather dash TAKE MY MONEY. Julian at OPC Tonbridge probably is sick of me already! Is that taken from the configurator / is it live?

Configurator is already up but you have to go through a back door in the website...go to build your own, select an 'old' model like the 718 cayman S and then when the configurator window loads go to the top left and select 718 GT4 or Spyder from the list. there you go!

WORRALL. said: Well i've just configured my spec online and its coming out at £98,429 for a clubsport car with the extras I wanted. Getting very close to 991.1 GT3 territory at that price www.porsche-code.com/PLVCLIV6 Smoking pack! TX.

White Spyder for me - £92k ish. Code: PL3EYXT3. If only getting an order slot was as easy as using the configuration tool ...

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tyrrell said: The pictures on the CSC What's App group looked great but on here bigger and better, its a fantastic car, but in a colour that nobody else has just makes it extra special. Really stunning enjoy

due to collect a Spyder later this week and just looking into getting insured, so far have only looked on comparison websites , Esure was the cheapest quote so far at £900 and they don't seem to be asking for a tracker. just wondering who people have ended up going with and if any of the specialist brokers are worth a call.

Try everyone and anyone, but beware that a lot of insurers are now stating that factory fitted options are "modifications". You may have to list every single option for your quote and policy to be valid. Check the small print. NFU Mutual, ClassicLine and (if you're in PCGB) Lockton are some of the most used at the moment.

Admiral for me on a multi car policy. I was with NFU for years but they increased premiums and demanded trackers. Admiral for 4 sports cars was less than NFU for the Turbo S. You’re right about the modifications/options which does make it a ball ache first time round or when changing a car. Don’t forget to tell them about PPF as well if you’ve got any on the car.

Twinfan said: Try everyone and anyone, but beware that a lot of insurers are now stating that factory fitted options are "modifications". You may have to list every single option for your quote and policy to be valid. Check the small print. NFU Mutual, ClassicLine and (if you're in PCGB) Lockton are some of the most used at the moment. These three insurers are the only ones worth wasting one's time to phone up for quotes IME. The NFU are great if you don't need track cover, ClassicLine best for track day cover and Lockton the best policy overall as long as you only do PCGB track days.

Shiverman said: Admiral for me on a multi car policy. I was with NFU for years but they increased premiums and demanded trackers. Admiral for 4 sports cars was less than NFU for the Turbo S. You’re right about the modifications/options which does make it a ball ache first time round or when changing a car. Don’t forget to tell them about PPF as well if you’ve got any on the car. Admiral for me too, NFU wanted a tracker and to charge 3x the premium

Admiral for me too.

Admiral for me too, by far, and I'm moving the family 'bus' to a multi-car policy with the GT4 this weekend, which according to the illustration saves me a further 17%. Having worked in Insurance marketing, I know how the algorithms work, how the comparison engines work in relation, and Admiral seem to be one of only. handful of companies currently playing with a straight bat when it comes to prices. Even though I asked/offered, I was told there was no longer the requirement to declare any manufacturer options, only the PPF (in my case) and a value. In the event of claim my purchase receipt/spec would be all that was need to verify the value and options against a market value and/or ROI claim.

I've just checked Admiral and it does state that optional extras are not modifications which is good! I'm sure that hasn't always been the case, so common sense seems to have prevailed

Twinfan said: I've just checked Admiral and it does state that optional extras are not modifications which is good! I'm sure that hasn't always been the case, so common sense seems to have prevailed You're right, that was the case when I insured a previous car through Admiral circa 2010-2015, which is why I was careful to ask the question when getting quotes for the GT4 last year. I was pleasantly surprised by the answer, it does seem like common sense has prevailed.

I insured mine through admiral last year (Sept) and still had to list the modifications (all optional extras) but they just marked them as interior modifications and exterior modifications (exterior just being the PPF). Good to hear that this has now changed as it’s a right pain with Porsche and everything being an extra!

I’ve been with Admiral for a good few years and they have always been competitive their app is great for making changes. I tried some of the specialist Porsche insurers and they were wildly more expensive which I found odd.

thanks I tried a quote with admiral this morning online and strangely they were not competitive for me at all, in fact one of the most expensive quotes I have had so far coming back at £1500, same price quoted from Porsche via their approved driveaway insurance broker. Esure currently is the cheapest at £890.

Admiral were also very quick & easy to deal with when our car got nicked last year, if that gives further reassurance. Albeit of course had to negotiate back & forth a number of times to get decent pay-out.

Admiral for me too. Three cars, the house with various high-value items listed separately & away from home.

Always a good idea to send your insurer a copy of your cars official spec sheet and invoice cost.

I've not mentioned the PPF. Looks like I need to make a call?

Admiral multi car for me as well, great cover without some of the BS and additional “Porsche tax” add-ons that I experienced while searching for insurance.

northernmedia said: I've not mentioned the PPF. Looks like I need to make a call?

av185 said: Always a good idea to send your insurer a copy of your cars official spec sheet and invoice cost. Is this a thing? Bloody good idea to cut out any ambiguity. I've never been asked though.

Don't give up on Admiral if they come up as expensive. I called them up and they reduced their price to below the best quote I'd had on the comparison site.

scrounger73 said: Don't give up on Admiral if they come up as expensive. I called them up and they reduced their price to below the best quote I'd had on the comparison site. Yep I do that each year

scrounger73 said: Don't give up on Admiral if they come up as expensive. I called them up and they reduced their price to below the best quote I'd had on the comparison site. Ok Will maybe give them a call see if they will play ball . So I collected the car today under the drive away insurance , bit of a strange one as didn’t see this purchase coming, I was at a merc dealer next door on Monday and decided to pop into Porsche dealer to kill some time as I was waiting for some coding to be done and they had just taken this car in px the day before , I’ve been searching twice a day for a PDK Spyder in a bright colour ideally yellow or guards red since I was knocked back for a new one when they first come out , have to say I was unsure about the colour as when I first viewed the car it had just arrived was still filthy and was a wet dark day but seeing it today all cleaned up out in the sun knocked back any reservations I had ! First drive home went well, I’ve owned a 981 Spyder previously just couldn’t get away with the gearing or 3.8 engine so I parted with it after around 18 months and have been running a BGTS 981 PDK for the last year which I really like and was surprised at the different engine note , I actually think the 3.4 sounds better, not saying the 4.0 doesn’t sound well but it’s a lot quieter even with the exhaust switched on which really shocked me . It’s certainly quicker and the PDK box has a lot sharper change and I’m certainly sold on the Spyder looks. I didn’t managed to px my GTS so will run them side for a week just to be 100% sure, before advertising the GTS . Pic in the collection bay.

Very nice, the colour really suits the car.

Beautiful!

Wow love that !

northernmedia said: Yep I do that each year Not my experience this year sadly. Admiral took their prices up 40% on my multicar. No claims, convictions or driver changes. I got requotes that took the price down to below the prior year and then spoke to admiral. They shaved a few hundred off, but got nowhere near the quotes I’d got so I changed. It was a hassle getting all the separate quotes and then having very long discussions, but it saved over a grand so I did it.

jimmyslr said: Not my experience this year sadly. Admiral took their prices up 40% on my multicar. No claims, convictions or driver changes. I got requotes that took the price down to below the prior year and then spoke to admiral. They shaved a few hundred off, but got nowhere near the quotes I’d got so I changed. It was a hassle getting all the separate quotes and then having very long discussions, but it saved over a grand so I did it. I called Admiral today, their website quote was £400 more than than it was on one of the comparison sites for the same cover, they said they would match the comparison site quote but wouldn't match any other insurer, I asked about multi car policies and if they would insure my classics but they said its not their area so doesn't look as though they will be getting my business this year. So back to the search...

would anyone with a Python green car share some pics, just wondering if my wheels would maybe look better a different colour, I spotted a black Rs drive by the other week with what looked like gold wheels and It surprised me how well it looked .

Here you go. I think gold would be a bit much. Like mine the way it is

I would have said the same on a black car but they actually worked well . Mine are more like grey which look ok but not sure given the choice that’s what I would have gone for hence asking . Silver certainly looks brighter .

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Perfect , many Thanks for that.

JeffC said: Ok Will maybe give them a call see if they will play ball . So I collected the car today under the drive away insurance , bit of a strange one as didn’t see this purchase coming, I was at a merc dealer next door on Monday and decided to pop into Porsche dealer to kill some time as I was waiting for some coding to be done and they had just taken this car in px the day before , I’ve been searching twice a day for a PDK Spyder in a bright colour ideally yellow or guards red since I was knocked back for a new one when they first come out , have to say I was unsure about the colour as when I first viewed the car it had just arrived was still filthy and was a wet dark day but seeing it today all cleaned up out in the sun knocked back any reservations I had ! First drive home went well, I’ve owned a 981 Spyder previously just couldn’t get away with the gearing or 3.8 engine so I parted with it after around 18 months and have been running a BGTS 981 PDK for the last year which I really like and was surprised at the different engine note , I actually think the 3.4 sounds better, not saying the 4.0 doesn’t sound well but it’s a lot quieter even with the exhaust switched on which really shocked me . It’s certainly quicker and the PDK box has a lot sharper change and I’m certainly sold on the Spyder looks. I didn’t managed to px my GTS so will run them side for a week just to be 100% sure, before advertising the GTS . Pic in the collection bay. Wow! That is definitely stunning (in an excellent way)!

How did you get on with selling your BGTS Jeff............?

tyrrell said: Bonjour! You passed by on the auto route today between Dijon-Troyes

Spevs said: How did you get on with selling your BGTS Jeff............? Sorry I must have missed this. Tbh had only 4 inquiries in all the weeks it was advertised, 2 were just messers and wanted to drive it with no intention of buying and other 2 never came to anything, I kept driving it every now and then and the more I did the more I was getting tempted to sell the Spyder and keep it, so I threw the dice and popped it on Motorway to see what would happen and it sold, went to an OPC so imagine we will see it back up for sale very shortly.

JeffC said: would anyone with a Python green car share some pics, just wondering if my wheels would maybe look better a different colour, I spotted a black Rs drive by the other week with what looked like gold wheels and It surprised me how well it looked . Oh and I went ahead and changed the colour of the wheels just couldn’t get away with the dark grey .

TTmonkey said: tyrrell said: Bonjour! You passed by on the auto route today between Dijon-Troyes Yes good to see you too, we traveled up from Tuscany yesterday.

tyrrell said: TTmonkey said: tyrrell said: Bonjour! You passed by on the auto route today between Dijon-Troyes Yes good to see you too, we traveled up from Tuscany yesterday. In one go? That’s moving, although you did pass by rather quickly until you saw that Gendarme van lol.

Yes drove from Poole in Dorset at 3.30am arrived near Arezzo Tuscany at 8.58pm the same day, got pulled by the Italian Police for document check near Arezzo near the end of the journey. Traffic officer asked where we had come from I said the UK, he said what today lol got away with it though. Had I very high speed convoy from Épernay this morning with two GT4’s and an Aston Martin Vantage, no Police about as they probably had their hands full with rioters.

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tyrrell said: Yes drove from Poole in Dorset at 3.30am arrived near Arezzo Tuscany at 8.58pm the same day, got pulled by the Italian Police for document check near Arezzo near the end of the journey. Traffic officer asked where we had come from I said the UK, he said what today lol got away with it though. Had I very high speed convoy from Épernay this morning with two GT4’s and an Aston Martin Vantage, no Police about as they probably had their hands full with rioters. Lol good point about police being busy. We drive from Troyes to Calais in the morning. Can’t believe you can do that mileage in a day must be intense at times.

It is at times, but we are all different, have a safe trip and enjoy the drive back.

RSVP911 said: I'd say not quite - but not far off. It actually sounds very different - the 981 is a very loud slightly unsubtle thing, with lots of fake pops and bangs. The 718 with JCR is slightly quieter but with what I'd describe as a very real , bassey, deep sound - both sound epic, but they are different. I would say the later car sounds more grown up if that makes sense ? How does the JCR (with stock GPFs) compare in terms of volume against the 991.2 GTS (or any other 991.2 with PSE)?