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YOUR RESEARCHHard start after refueling

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Test good battery is

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from what i have read on this form on slow hot cranking with a tested good battery is

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We seem to have a check list:

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they weren't before but I suspect the new CSP sensor did the trick here.

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weak starter or the y-cable, or both

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If your battery is at 100%, more than likely a weak starter or the Y-cable, or both.

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We seem to have a check list:

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Check those

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I'll get it hot and check those.

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We seem to have a check list:

Hard start after refueling

Check those

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I'll get it hot and check those.

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Recommend we

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My shop recommended we change the Alternator to Starter cable, as this may be at fault due to age or corrosion.

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Replace alternator

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My shop recommended we change the Alternator to Starter cable, as this may be at fault due to age or corrosion.

Hard start after refueling

Replace fuel tank vent valve

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Consider replacing the fuel tank vent valve.

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Run errands

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sometimes it is a little embarrassing using it to run errands on the weekends because it hates starting every 15-20 minutes...

Hard start after refueling

Test each contact point of

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I'd test each contact point of that cable instead of just replacing it.

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Test good battery is

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from what i have read on this form on slow hot cranking with a tested good battery is

Hard start after refueling

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Suggestion · Original poster

you'd think so but my testing shows the issue happens when fueling.

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Test with my voltmeter

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Suggestion · Original poster

I'll start testing with my voltmeter again.

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Suspected cause · Original poster

they weren't before but I suspect the new CSP sensor did the trick here.

Hard start after refueling

weak starter or the y-cable, or both

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If your battery is at 100%, more than likely a weak starter or the Y-cable, or both.

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they weren't before but I suspect the new CSP sensor did the trick here.

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POST 1 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

my car has had this symptom since I bought it. warm/hot starts are fine. they weren't before but I suspect the new CSP sensor did the trick here. the car also got a new regeneration valve in the engine bay when the rebuild happened. fueling is difficult. I need to angle the hose handle correctly to pump gas into the tank without it constantly clicking /stopping. when I stop for fuel, I always fill up. go inside and pay. when I come back out and start the car, the vehicle will turn over very slowly but eventually start. this happens 90% of the time I get gas. I'm always a little surprised when it doesn't happen.... what could be the culprit? the old crankshaft position sensor was broken. split down the middle. figured that was my issue but it only seemed to take care of the warm/hot starts and not the starts after refueling.

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I have the same issue with a weak start when the engine is hot. Normally I noticed after a long drive and I stop to get fuel... It's a weak start as if the starter isn't getting enough volts. My shop recommended we change the Alternator to Starter cable, as this may be at fault due to age or corrosion.

POST 3 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

I don't have that issue. car starts fine when hot. it is very slow to start after fueling.

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The Y cable for hot engine slow start problems. Also, heat soak of the starter makes it work harder and it could be on the way out. If your battery is at 100%, more than likely a weak starter or the Y-cable, or both. The fueling issue could be the 12 or 23 valves located here: http://www.autoatlanta.com/porsche-p...section=201-01 Sorry, depending on model - 12 and 21 here http://www.autoatlanta.com/porsche-p...section=201-00

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Human, I'd test each contact point of that cable instead of just replacing it. It's pretty easy with a volt/ohm meter

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Sounds good. I'll get it hot and check those. Thanks.

POST 7Original post

What if you stop for the same amount of time and then restart it but w/o fueling. Will it crank slow too? The starter cranking speed should have nothing to do with gas fill up at all, right?

POST 8 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

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you'd think so but my testing shows the issue happens when fueling. once the car is back on the road in the spring, I'll do more tests

POST 9Original post

That's interesting but puzzling. Can't imagine how refueling alone affects the starter's speed.

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you're thinking it's the y cable or starter heh?

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That would have been the easy answer IF you had told me your car does the same even without refueling.

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Consider replacing the fuel tank vent valve. http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarti...Vent_Valve.htm

POST 13Original post

Sounds like a purge valve. If its stuck open. All depends on when the purge system opens? Ahsai, any information on what levels the purge system run? I know for what I'm used to working on, its between 25-85% of fuel tank capacity, nothing more, nothing less. If it runs all the time, then it could be sticking open on startup, creating a lean condition, which the DME takes a little longer to compensate for.......but I have been wrong before.

POST 14Original post

from what i have read on this form on slow hot cranking with a tested good battery is 1. y cable 2. starter just the act of re-fueling should no way affect cranking speed

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yeah, that's what has me 2nd guessing myself. I'll start testing with my voltmeter again.

POST 16Original post

push the little metal flapper in fuel filler. Do you hear a clicking under the front hood??

POST 18Original post

My Porsche also does not like to start warm.... sometimes it is a little embarrassing using it to run errands on the weekends because it hates starting every 15-20 minutes...

POST 19Original post

We seem to have a check list: 1. Vent valve 2. Purge valve 3. Y connector 4. Starter motor rebuild 5. Battery S.O.C. & S.O.H.,connection integrity. Really need to measure the amperage draw of the starter motor when doing a hot restart to identify a high resistance. If the starter spins at normal speed during a hot restart , it is probably O.K.

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