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It looks like the delayed Maycan EV will be released shortly . The next 911 is supposed to be hybrid. The next Caymen is supposed to be EV only. We are confident the next 911 GT cars will be N/A because they are halo models. Do you think the next Caymen Gt4 will be an EV or a ICE? I have a 718 spyder which I have owned from new and in my perfect spec. I don’t know if I should keep it or think about selling it. I would hate to sell it and find out the next Caymen gt4 is electric only.

Keep your Spyder because as you rightly say the next Cayster GT4/Spyder...when it finally arrives and at what exhorbitant cost.....will be EV.

The electric Boxster mule is out testing. Have s search on Rennlist. I believe they are running ICE 718 and EV 718 at same time but am not sure ICE will be for European customers. So i would keep the Spider…..but ithers here will know better than me!

My OPC told me ICE 718 will end summer this year.

Surely they won’t be doing a EV GT4??

Rate of energy consumption, the requirement for heat management and mass all mitigate substantially away from a GT Ev ... Hybrid maybe ... but the Hybrid part adds significant weight and complexity if it is to add much to the performance of a GT product ... ?? My 2p ...

They'll need to balance their CO2 across the whole model range presumably. Increasing the EVs will allow the continuation of ICE models for several years, but it's speculation as to how they do it. Porsche being Porsche, they will definitely be going for all the EV lap records and probably in most of the sectors. The latest Taycan GT testing is the clue. This will be their USP moving forward and they'll want to be the manufacturer that still produces cars that can have a bit of fun on a track day without undue modification. What will the ICE models look like? Surely it'll be phased and so the withdrawal of base models and gradually heading towards the GT range. Probably a hybrid turbo S 911. I'm not sure where they go next with the GT3 RS? Maybe a bigger engine still? After the 911R came the GT3 Touring, so maybe they will do a version of the S/T, but badged differently and in higher volumes. It makes sense given that it's less complicated and so cheaper to produce. Profit is still the main concern after all. I would have thought after the 992 production ends, there will be more than enough GT3s out there to keep everyone happy for years to come anyway.

ChrisW. said: Rate of energy consumption, the requirement for heat management and mass all mitigate substantially away from a GT Ev ... Hybrid maybe ... but the Hybrid part adds significant weight and complexity if it is to add much to the performance of a GT product ... ?? My 2p ... Caterham may well have a niche market, if they can deliver on the weight...

My money would be on EV GT4 Reasons as follows 718 generally is going to be EV would the economics of having one or maybe two ICE cars (4.0GT equivalent) stack up? A whole divergence in the platform just for these models? Balancing the fleet averages might mean they can only preserve the GT3 petrol engines. These cars make a lot of money for Porsche so makes sense to look after the cash cow. First to market. This is the big one as I see it that Porsche have the opportunity to do what they do so so well and get in and establish themselves as market leader for a new sector this time the full EV sports car. Doing EV means they will have skipped the hybrid step but then they have done this with the Macan as well. I reckon a hybrid could be on the cards but absolutely no chance of another 6 cylinder engine.

apparently theres a new 3.6 na unit going in the 992.2. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a46167074/2025-p... so there is a possibility of a new na gt4. wouldnt be first time porsche back track on what they have said. i'd go with unlikely though.

Interesting. GT4 was made on the GT3 production line wasn't it?

bosshog said: Surely they won’t be doing a EV GT4?? I thought that the Mission R is pretty much a test mule for a future electric Cayman?

I just can’t see the point of a EV GT4 (for me). I suppose if all you did was to track one and tracks had super fast chargers you *might* want one if you was into ‘winning track days’.

If the platform is developed to be an EV will it even be possible to make it into ICE? And, if the UK introduces a ban on ICE from 2030 (Labour have said they'll reintroduce this I think), is there any point for Porsche selling it here? In short I don't see the next GT4 being anything other than an EV.

fridaypassion said: My money would be on EV GT4 Reasons as follows 718 generally is going to be EV would the economics of having one or maybe two ICE cars (4.0GT equivalent) stack up? A whole divergence in the platform just for these models? Balancing the fleet averages might mean they can only preserve the GT3 petrol engines. These cars make a lot of money for Porsche so makes sense to look after the cash cow. First to market. This is the big one as I see it that Porsche have the opportunity to do what they do so so well and get in and establish themselves as market leader for a new sector this time the full EV sports car. Doing EV means they will have skipped the hybrid step but then they have done this with the Macan as well. This - Once Porsche take a decision thats it, the ICE GT4 is dead long live the GT4 the wonderful sunny uplands of future motoring is silent leccy which big brother says you WILL enjoy. I reckon a hybrid could be on the cards but absolutely no chance of another 6 cylinder engine.

Fridaypassion is right there will be no more ICE GT4 once Porsche make a decision thats it, the future of motoring has been decided by big brother whether you like to or not. My medium term plan is to change the 981 GT4 for a 718 GT4 PDK and that will be my last and keeper Porsche.

I have said in other post I genuinely feel sorry for the manufacturers and car buyers because no one knows if they are coming or going. I agree there is no point of a Gt4 track car that can do one or two laps of the Nurburgring. I am yet to be convinced we will go full ev because just can not see where everyone will charge their cars in the evening or at work. It would not surprise me if there is a change of policy and the ice engine continues for a lot longer.

Well no doubt the VAG group will ultimately dictate when the actual switchover comes if it ever does they are 100% responsible for the switch to 2035 from 2030 certainly not Sunak! . Thinking about it a bit more can Porsche really not do a Cayman/Boxter in Petrol? We have 6 years at least to go depending which way the political winds blow handily about a model cycle for Porsche give or take. Will they really allow Alpine and Lotus to just have all the ICE sales in this sector for 6 years? I can't see that but I also can't see how they can have architecture for ICE and EV in the same platform. This leaves the possibility of actually leaving 718 alone and actually introducing a new model that's the EV 718. This would seem to fit more and expands the potential fleet averages a bit more although electrifying Macan will surely do all they need on that front?

I expect the next 718 platform to be the ICE platform updated to take EV running gear just like the new EV Macan is. So an ICE/hybrid GT4 would still be possible.

The algorithm is working!! GT4, EV, ICE….. haha

Seems like they are quite a way on if they are intending to develop it to replace the Cayman Cup car series. Only enough capacity for 30minutes at full blast, 1,000bhp and 4WD, should be a bit mental on public roads, plus a bit lardy…. but I would still prefer the ICE car

Maybe this is a proof of concept in anticipation of new battery technology ? The battery characteristics are the current limitation ... limited charge capacity / limited power supply / limited ability to deal with the heat of rapid charge and discharge ... Who knows ??

fridaypassion said: My money would be on EV GT4 Reasons as follows 718 generally is going to be EV would the economics of having one or maybe two ICE cars (4.0GT equivalent) stack up? A whole divergence in the platform just for these models? Balancing the fleet averages might mean they can only preserve the GT3 petrol engines. These cars make a lot of money for Porsche so makes sense to look after the cash cow. First to market. This is the big one as I see it that Porsche have the opportunity to do what they do so so well and get in and establish themselves as market leader for a new sector this time the full EV sports car. Doing EV means they will have skipped the hybrid step but then they have done this with the Macan as well. I reckon a hybrid could be on the cards but absolutely no chance of another 6 cylinder engine. I agree on this. They are overhauling their entire Boxter/Cayman lineup to be EV. To do this properly, the chassis will have to be drastically different to the ICE platform - I cannot see Porsche designing a chassis that can accommodate ICE and EV. I think they will have tackled it as an EV project. The 911 lineup is going hybrid, but not across the board. This will again help them meet their emission targets. GTS models and above will be hybrid and 4wd/PDK only. I can see the other Carrera's coming in both ICE only and hybrid variants. There's talk of both the 3L and new 3.6L engines being in the lineup - I guess the 3.6L will be NA and paired with the electric motor? Then perhaps turbocharged for the Turbo and Turbo S? Will the Carrera models be turbocharged? The GT3 will remain NA!

OliOC said: I agree on this. They are overhauling their entire Boxter/Cayman lineup to be EV. To do this properly, the chassis will have to be drastically different to the ICE platform - I cannot see Porsche designing a chassis that can accommodate ICE and EV. I think they will have tackled it as an EV project. The 911 lineup is going hybrid, but not across the board. This will again help them meet their emission targets. GTS models and above will be hybrid and 4wd/PDK only. I can see the other Carrera's coming in both ICE only and hybrid variants. There's talk of both the 3L and new 3.6L engines being in the lineup - I guess the 3.6L will be NA and paired with the electric motor? Then perhaps turbocharged for the Turbo and Turbo S? Will the Carrera models be turbocharged? The GT3 will remain NA! Sounds likely I suspect. Maybe they'll give the 718 a bit of a facelift and keep going with that platform in parallel for a while. The interior does look dated, but then again, so what in the age of apple carplay.

Grantstown said: Sounds likely I suspect. Maybe they'll give the 718 a bit of a facelift and keep going with that platform in parallel for a while. The interior does look dated, but then again, so what in the age of apple carplay. I think it is unlikely that the current 718 (and Macan) will continue to be sold in Europe after July. As has been mentioned elsewhere these models will no longer be compliant with some new regulations regarding cyber security and driver aids. The cost of bringing these models to compliance is probably too high to be worth it for Porsche.

I can see a market for a 718 EV but GT4? I cannot see a GT product being EV. Synthetic fuels will save the day!

Looking a that You tube vid, the frunk is full of a massive battery so no luggage space then? I thought the batt was going where the current engine is for balance. Also 1600 kilos is getting lardy for a Cayman. We will soon know anyway.

I think that people underestimate the social pressure that will come in a few years with buying ICE. In my view this will have an impact on first buyers' decisions. Ultimately these cars are also bought as status symbols (whether we accept it or not) and validation from "friends and family" is part of the motivation to purchase. That will be swayed by wider public opinion, no doubt. Therefore I fear that we'll be seeing EV only, as much as its unpalatable to me right now. I wish to remain open minded and hope that Porsche (and other manufacturers) are able to bring out new parts of the driving experience to balance out the visceral mechanical eperience we will be losiing out on.

Interesting post Riccardo but I think that is way into the far distance. It will be a MASSIVE task to change the UK fleet of 35 M cars to EV especially when some people in the trade think the infrastructure will seize up at 2m vehicles!! The VED situation is also a nightmare for Govt, there is no way they can lose £ 28 BN just on road tax let alone fuel tax so EVs will be progressively hit.

Totally agree it will be like smoking one day. The current economic crisis and what will probably be a more prolonged issue of energy costs and laughable EV depreciation have probably given us 5 years extra to what we would have had when EVs were on a bit more of a charge (gfaaw) like they were 2 years ago.

robj4 said: Caterham may well have a niche market, if they can deliver on the weight... Would sooner have a Emira or a Cayman 4.0

arcamalpha said: I expect the next 718 platform to be the ICE platform updated to take EV running gear just like the new EV Macan is. So an ICE/hybrid GT4 would still be possible. The platform under the Macan EV is a pure EV platform not a rehashed or adapted ICE platform. The platform is a multi billion euro bet by VW on EV only for premium C sized and upwards cars. If it doesn’t work commercially they don’t have an ICE plan B to fall back on. If the platform under the 718 EV was ICE capable Porsche wouldn’t have left the current one on sale for so long. It really needed replacement a couple of years ago. I’d be very surprised if there is an ICE/PHEV option.