Cayman S PDK - Page 3 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

Hi all, I'm potentially a new recruit to the Porsche fraternity and have seen a stock vehicle that I like the look of. The specification is good - including PASM, Sport Chrono, PDK, SportDesign steering wheel and so on. The list is £64k. If I take Porsche's PCP I've been advised that £60k might be realistic. What would you guys say is a realistic figure to achieve? I've also got to be mindful of the fact that the GTS model is out soon too. Thanks Edited by mc_blue on Friday 7th February 19:49

I would go for at least 10% discount on a stock car. I was offered 10% before bargaining on a stock (new) car.

It would have to be 100% perfect spec for that money. Other wise order new, ask for a discount and get the new reg.

I managed 11% on a stock 981 Cayman albeit a much cheaper one than that, price needs to start with a 5.

mrdemon said: It would have to be 100% perfect spec for that money. Other wise order new, ask for a discount and get the new reg. To be fair as soon as I saw the car I loved it - only missing PSE but that can be retrofitted. Thinking of saying £60k and fit the PSE. Does that sound good? What sort of discount could I realise on a factory order? I would think the stock car should attract a better discount as they don't want to hold on to a car? truck71 said: I managed 11% on a stock 981 Cayman albeit a much cheaper one than that, price needs to start with a 5. How are you finding your car. What spec have you got?

Really enjoying my car (2.7 pdk with 19" wheels and a few other bits and bobs)- it makes a great all rounder, very comfortable on long journeys, frugal, practical and yet very engaging when the mood takes you. I made a conscious decision to get a very low spec car because the basic package is so good, I would be doing 25,000 miles a year so depreciation would be significant and having had a Tuscan previously I'd got the "fast straight line thing" out of my system. In reality the only time I could extend that car was in Europe. So far I don't regret the decision to save 7 odd grand with the smaller engine, with the PDK box it is plenty quick enough for my needs. I would fully understand others having a different view with the engine, for some people it will be worth the extra. Ride on 19" wheels on standard suspension is excellent and the standard seats are plenty supportive enough for me- I adjusted them a few times when I got it and haven't moved them since so the multi electric option would be wasted. Standard interior is as good a quality of any car I've had previously and it doesn't disappoint, others prefer the full leather pack- it's an individual thing. To get a bit of perspective I paid circa 2/3 of the asking price of the one you're looking at- good luck whatever you choose to do.

When ordering new, I don't like asking for a discount, I said I,ll pay full RRP but can I have the PSE and PCM free. Seems to work better than asking for money off. As for the stock car, if it's not been registered then they will be in no rush to sell it. They like to have tempting stock to sell to people for full price as they don't have to wait for a car for 3 months. Most people don't like waiting once they have made up their mind and if I were a dealer I would see this in the buyer and not offer a discount, or only a token one.

I got 10% off a new Boxster built to my spec, took about 12 weeks to come through. However this was linked to having a Porsche PCP. I changed my mind and wanted to pay for it on a personal bank loan, they then said that discount level was not achievable. Long story short, agreed to take it on a Porsche HP agreement and paid it off a month later. So, yes I still got 10% off the list price including options. The Porsche configurator code is PEXAX943

Thanks guys. Just seen another one registered with 100 miles. Lists at £66k being offered at £61k with PSE retrofit too (was advised this is a £2k option). So it looks like there's some room for negotiation.

Always room for negotiation. I bought my 981CS the 28th of december and because they wanted to close the deal before the end of the year books closed i got £7k off of an already awesome spec'd car sitting in a hanger down south... Happy days

mrdemon said: It would have to be 100% perfect spec for that money. Other wise order new, ask for a discount and get the new reg. Agree, the option list is long and complex, I wouldn't want something I don't need or the lack of something I would like for a £4k discount on a stock car. Considering you will get some discount even on the perfectly specced car you may order

mrdemon said: When ordering new, I don't like asking for a discount, I said I,ll pay full RRP but can I have the PSE and PCM free. Are you a professional negotiator?

GreatPretender said: Are you a professional negotiator? Yes .

I've reached a quandary. Basically, I need to work out if I'm happy to part with my hard earned on a depreciating asset. I feel a certain amount of man maths is required to justify this purchase. However, given the cost, wouldn't the rational decision be to buy a car 12 months old that's suffered some depreciation already? They don't appear to hold value that well. Would 50% retained value after 3 years be anywhere realistic?

mrdemon said: GreatPretender said: Are you a professional negotiator? Yes . Oh.

mc_blue said: I've reached a quandary. Basically, I need to work out if I'm happy to part with my hard earned on a depreciating asset. I feel a certain amount of man maths is required to justify this purchase. However, given the cost, wouldn't the rational decision be to buy a car 12 months old that's suffered some depreciation already? They don't appear to hold value that well. Would 50% retained value after 3 years be anywhere realistic? If you are in for 3 years, you will lose a shed load and would be better going year old used IMHO. I went new, but intend to keep for 8 years minimum, which should keep the overall loss pa reasonable(ish)?

Thanks for your reply. Yes I agree new cars are very expensive aren't they however if I can get a good deal on a stock vehicle it will help reduce any depreciation? I.e. £66k list can get 10% off I'm sure I'd get £30k after three years. Other option would be to just keep the car for a longer term as you've stated above - maybe 5 years or so.

mc_blue said: I've reached a quandary. Basically, I need to work out if I'm happy to part with my hard earned on a depreciating asset. I feel a certain amount of man maths is required to justify this purchase. However, given the cost, wouldn't the rational decision be to buy a car 12 months old that's suffered some depreciation already? They don't appear to hold value that well. Would 50% retained value after 3 years be anywhere realistic? I think the challenge here is finding a 12mth old car that isn't an ex demonstrator. The Cayman was only released last March so I assume most owners won't be chopping them in for a while. Ex demo's don't seem to be cheap enough for what is a used car and may not have been treated kindly- the two I drove certainly weren't. There might be a better chance of getting a used 981 Boxster if that's an option.

Or what about a stock car which matches my spec with 10% off? Not yet registered.

Oh definitely, that's what I did. Haggle hard, try to get the gap insurance thrown in (I cocked that bit up) and be prepared to spend an afternoon on the phone calling dealers. Some will spout nonsense but you'll find one who wants your business- go for it.

Some further questions for you all: Has anyone had the PSE retrofitted? If so, what happens to your other exhaust? Surely you should keep it as you've already paid for it? I'm looking at achieving about 8% off the stock car but they want me to take out their finance deal. I suspect this is because they receive a commission for selling this? Can I just go for the finance option and pay it off straight away (either using cash or another loan at a more favourable rate?) Assuming I can settle the finance, should I go in for £60k inc the exhuast (therefore just over 10%). I was thinking of waiting for the GTS but don't know when this car will actually arrive and surely it would be better to have a car for summer now rather than waiting months for it? Any advice would be appreciated!

mc_blue said: Some further questions for you all: Has anyone had the PSE retrofitted? If so, what happens to your other exhaust? Surely you should keep it as you've already paid for it? I'm looking at achieving about 8% off the stock car but they want me to take out their finance deal. I suspect this is because they receive a commission for selling this? Can I just go for the finance option and pay it off straight away (either using cash or another loan at a more favourable rate?) Assuming I can settle the finance, should I go in for £60k inc the exhuast (therefore just over 10%). I was thinking of waiting for the GTS but don't know when this car will actually arrive and surely it would be better to have a car for summer now rather than waiting months for it? Any advice would be appreciated! I ordered my 981CS in mid-October 14 and choose to wait until last week before I took delivery... The wait was too long. If you can find a stock car go for the instant gratification. The GTS... do you want such a focused car? The quickest car isn't always the best for your needs. If it's an everyday driver a CS on 19" may be better than a track orientated GTS. Sports exhaust; I rejected that. I test drove two cars one with one without, it sounds great but I'm not sure I could live with it everyday! I chose PDK, 20" and Bose to drown out the road roar of the tyres (and loads more that sent the price well north of £60k) Your right about finance, I was offered a bigger discount if I took the finance than if I paid cash from three OPC. The discount will also depend on what's in stock, how their sales are going for the month/quarter etc. Btw. It's. A great car, one week one, 500miles, I love it.

engineermk - Thanks for your comments. What spec did you go for and what sort of price did you pay if you don't mind me asking?

A GTS is not going to be track orientated lol

mc_blue said: engineermk - Thanks for your comments. What spec did you go for and what sort of price did you pay if you don't mind me asking? my spec - http://www.porsche.com/microsite/porsche-code/?c=/... I also purchased std 19" rims and winter tyres. Discount was a little over 6%

Very nice spec - I wouldn't have minded the Light Design Package but otherwise very similar.

mrdemon said: A GTS is not going to be track orientated lol My error, I was thinking GTS was track focussed. What's it's purpose then?

It's a parts bin special - it will have all of the cool driver-oriented stuff (PTV etc) but come in just below the price of a normal 981 S with all those things added.

She's here! Apologies for the poor pictures they were taken from my iPhone. The specification is pretty comprehensive and I love the Balsalt Black and Luxor Beige interior - not at all practical but lovely looking. PSE is being retrofitted next week too. The spec includes but is not limited to the following - PDK, Sport Chrono, PSE (coming), PDLS, PCM, Full Leather, Folding Mirrors, Heated and Vented Seats. I love this car is it stunning in every way.

Wow... that is lovely mate Well done!

mc_blue said: ... I love the Balsalt Black and Luxor Beige interior - not at all practical but lovely looking. PSE is being retrofitted next week too. I love the Black / Luxor full leather too. Nice choice. Please can you share how much the parts are costing for PSE? And also what is the labour cost / hours required? Thanks.

That is a handsome beast. Love the orange seats!

Fantastic, especially on those wheels.

Enjoy! Should be great car!

Value for money "911" & easier to live with.

SimonOcean said: Please can you share how much the parts are costing for PSE? And also what is the labour cost / hours required? Thanks. Approximately as follows from OPC Solihull. Exhaust system (£1000 plus VAT) button on dash (£170 plus VAT!) with fitting 4.8 hours approx £500 plus VAT. Total cost inc VAT £2000. Thankfully we managed to negotiate it as part of the deal instead so I haven't paid extra for it. mollytherocker said: That is a handsome beast. Love the orange seats! Thank you - they're actually beige but the only decent picture I've taken was in the showroom hence the orange look. When I get the chance I'll take another picture. Mermaid said: Value for money "911" & easier to live with. Agreed plus a 911 is too much for me.

Beautiful car. Congratulations. I am using an S for the weekend and my wife and I are smitten. An absolutely stunning sports car. Have found one for sale via eBay from a Hampshire dealer, huge spec with massive saving on full spec price? Watch this space lol.....

Had the PSE fitted - fantastic and well worth it even though it does boom a bit. Just need a tailpipe now as that wasn't included - any suggestions for aftermarket or just stick to the Porsche one? Porsche

mc_blue said: Had the PSE fitted - fantastic and well worth it even though it does boom a bit. Just need a tailpipe now as that wasn't included - any suggestions for aftermarket or just stick to the Porsche one? I have a spare pair of fabspeed ones in silver as I have swapped to black. They have been on the car for a thousand ish miles. Will sell them for £100. They just bolt straight on I'm told Porsche

Any pictures? Also will they fit straight on the PSE car?

mc_blue said: Any pictures? Also will they fit straight on the PSE car? I've been told they will by a Porsche specialist. I'll put pics on when I get near a lap top. I'm not too good with tech and can't do it on my iPhone. Might be tomorrow mate. Could google 981 fabspeed luxury tips. They cost 500 dollars plus import fees with the extra pipes but these are just the bolt on tip parts. You shouldn't need the pipes

Thanks Mark that's great.

I find that when I use the throttle pedal to give it some "P" the "SE" bit follows quite naturally with the stock system!

mc_blue said: Thanks Mark that's great. Here are some pics of the exhaust tips pal. }

mc_blue said: Thanks Mark that's great.

mc_blue said: Thanks Mark that's great. By the looks of this pic they should go straight on

Thanks - you have mail.

Bit of an update - I'm using the car everyday and have been to Silverstone a couple of times. Fitted a couple of cosmetic modifications - i.e. aluminium look fuel filler cap, GTR rear diffuser, tailpipes, LED side markers. I am so happy with this car and think it is pretty much perfect. The only issue being I sometimes feel the need for another couple of seats so a 991 GTS might be on the cards in the next year or so.

991 GTS is too pricey, why not a 991 GT3 then?

I'd love a GT3 but you can't get them anymore and I'm sure they don't come with rear seats?