UNBELIEVABLE - 5 year old “New” tyres fitted to a 992 - Page 2 - Porsche General - PistonHeads UK

Asking for a friend who has just had 2 new Goodyear tyres fitted to his 992, paid for in full at full Porsche OPC cost, by an OPC. Both tyres have a DOT of 10/19 which makes them 5 years old. What should that friend do? Does anyone think that this is remotely acceptable from an OPC? Guidance please I can pass on for my friend - thank you

He should call the OPC Monday and ask them about it really. Goodyear say you shouldn’t use a tyre that’s got a date older than 6 years, so technically, they’re still OK, but he isn’t going to get that long out of them before he ‘should’ change them again.

I recently bought a low mileage 2018 car from an OPC with 2018 tyres and as part of their approved "Used" they fitted a new set. I was very happy with the car as delivered ... and possibly they did me a favour. I also would be unhappy and ask the dealer about 2019 tyres being fitted in 2023/4 ... it would be easier for all if they volunteered to "correct" the problem.

Unbelievable! No way should an OPC be fitting tyres of that age. Even their used car policy states more than 3mm and less than 5 years. Definitely go back and request replacements, heck I use black circles for my Porsches and all tyres have been current year or previous year at worst if early in the year when fitted.

Jurassic GTS - thank you. Would you have evidence of this in their approved used standards please ? I agree with you but can’t find where it says so. Also says porsche N rated tyres shouldn’t be used when six years old or greater so they’ve sold me tyres with a one year shelf life.

@HOTRODS1974 I am away currently so can't dig out my Porsche used car documents. This is from PCGB about a similar issue "OPCs are not allowed to sell Porsche Approved Used cars with tyres more than 5 years old. My OPC told me that when they were inspecting my current car prior to selling it to me. The fronts were slightly more than 5 years and had to be changed, no question.Jan 2, 2024 https://www.porscheclubgb.com › t... Tyre Age on Porsche Approved Used | PCGB Forum"

It’s unlikely the OPC fitted them, they probably subbed it out locally. I doubt they knew or even checked. Just take it back and they will sort it.

RD-1 said: It’s unlikely the OPC fitted them, they probably subbed it out locally. I doubt they knew or even checked. Just take it back and they will sort it. This

The 111 point check requirement for tyres states a maximum of 5 yrs old based on the DOT date. The OPC that supplied me my used 718s had noted perished tyre older than 5yrs on the check form but forgot to replace them. I noticed when I got home, and they agreed to replace all of them FOC. It would not matter if they were brand new, the OPC or another buyer will reduce the amount they would pay for your car if the tyres are out of date or approaching out of date ash they would argue the 5yr rule. So get it back to them to get new rubber

Anyone purchasing tyres from Black Circles may want to check the date of manafacture before fitting . I had a run in with them regarding a purchase for my Aston , 4 year old iirc.

Hotrods1974 said: Jurassic GTS - thank you. Would you have evidence of this in their approved used standards please ? I agree with you but can’t find where it says so. Also says porsche N rated tyres shouldn’t be used when six years old or greater so they’ve sold me tyres with a one year shelf life. They sold some to you AND your friend?

Fast and Spurious said: They sold some to you AND your friend?

Buster73 said: Anyone purchasing tyres from Black Circles may want to check the date of manafacture before fitting . I had a run in with them regarding a purchase for my Aston , 4 year old iirc. Most tyres have defined generations and iterations. So if you bought a previous model of tyre hoping to save a few quid then yeah it'll be older...

Porsche have confirmed that those 5 year old tyres should not have been fitted and will be replaced accordingly

Hotrods1974 said: Porsche have confirmed that those 5 year old tyres should not have been fitted and will be replaced accordingly Good result. Mistakes happen. It's how they are handled and resolved that is important

dealers are permitted to keep tyres on the shelf for 5years, if stored correctly, and the another 5 fitted to the car. i'm surprised the dealer didn't know that?

tim1830 said: dealers are permitted to keep tyres on the shelf for 5years, if stored correctly, and the another 5 fitted to the car. i'm surprised the dealer didn't know that? That might be the case, However, if you were to buy a car with tyres that are 7yrs old according to the DOT mould, but the seller said they had only been on the car for a couple of years, would you be satisfied? Or would you use that as leverage to negotiate a discount. Would the dealer taking the car in as a trade in knock your px price down I bet you / they would

elan362 said: That might be the case, However, if you were to buy a car with tyres that are 7yrs old according to the DOT mould, but the seller said they had only been on the car for a couple of years, would you be satisfied? Or would you use that as leverage to negotiate a discount. Would the dealer taking the car in as a trade in knock your px price down I bet you / they would I think the OP said they were fitted new? If so, if stored correctly, it's agreed that they can still sell up to 5 years. (we can't just throw away tyres that are 5 year old, stored correctly, and never used) But I'm also sure that on a trade in, a good valuer would be looking for things like that, and would happily knock them down. If the Op has it sorted, and a new set of tyres, that's great for him, nice to get something from a main dealer that feels like good service, all up for that. I am trying to find the legal gumph for tyres, as the company i work for have to be very careful how they are stored, as tyres are slow movers for us

elan362 said: That might be the case, However, if you were to buy a car with tyres that are 7yrs old according to the DOT mould, but the seller said they had only been on the car for a couple of years, would you be satisfied? Or would you use that as leverage to negotiate a discount. Would the dealer taking the car in as a trade in knock your px price down I bet you / they would I think the OP said they were fitted new? If so, if stored correctly, it's agreed that they can still sell up to 5 years. (we can't just throw away tyres that are 5 year old, stored correctly, and never used) But I'm also sure that on a trade in, a good valuer would be looking for things like that, and would happily knock them down. If the Op has it sorted, and a new set of tyres, that's great for him, nice to get something from a main dealer that feels like good service, all up for that. I am trying to find the legal gumph for tyres, as the company i work for have to be very careful how they are stored, as tyres are slow movers for us

Porsche are not allowed to let any tyres they fit or any Approved use car with the 111 point test go where DOT IS 5 years or more. Simple. So any used car they tyres need replaced. It is in their checklist. Porsche themselves forbid it. Forget the legal position. Was told that all the QC tests failed in my case. Dealers would never ever hold tyres over 5 years. No garage would as I phoned many today!!

I’m confused - if these were for you, why did you say you were asking for a friend?

Hotrods1974 said: Porsche have confirmed that those 5 year old tyres should not have been fitted and will be replaced accordingly Good result, I'd do a few donuts with the 5 year old tyres to celebrate!

GRD_72 said: Good result, I'd do a few donuts with the 5 year old tyres to celebrate! Agree as they will be going to recycling once removed. I had the same with my Maserati. Politely pointed out the error and it was dealt with. Most places are reasonable if you don’t start shouting. Good news OP.

Hotrods1974 said: Porsche have confirmed that those 5 year old tyres should not have been fitted and will be replaced accordingly

Buster73 said: Anyone purchasing tyres from Black Circles may want to check the date of manafacture before fitting . I had a run in with them regarding a purchase for my Aston , 4 year old iirc. I always check before fitting and have never had more than previous year if installed early in the year or same year.

EC2 said: Agree as they will be going to recycling once removed. Highly unlikely - but they won’t go on a Porsche being sold or serviced at an OPC.

and old tyres on a 911 are not a good idea Ok, the ones on mine were much older than 5 years but I almost lost it on a roundabout. They were 12 years old (where did the time go !) and were as hard as nails.

Fifty said: I’m confused - if these were for you, why did you say you were asking for a friend? Honestly don’t confuse yourself. It’s all sorted now. Appreciate your interest nonetheless.

If Porsche do that as standard, then that's a complete waste of tyres, surely? What if they are 2 years old, or 3 or 4? Most tyre companies follow the BRV from germany. Does the age of a tyre matter? Tyre Safety: 5 Year Rule Tyres are considered to be “new” and fit for retail up to 5 years from the date of production. This is an industry standard based on the German BRV. When in use, it is recommended that tyres are replaced when they reach 6 - 10 years old, (6 years in the case of caravans or trailers).

Fifty said: I’m confused - if these were for you, why did you say you were asking for a friend? I have no idea why people feel they need to this. It's quite odd behaviour.

tim1830 said: If Porsche do that as standard, then that's a complete waste of tyres, surely? What if they are 2 years old, or 3 or 4? Most tyre companies follow the BRV from germany. Does the age of a tyre matter? Tyre Safety: 5 Year Rule Tyres are considered to be “new” and fit for retail up to 5 years from the date of production. This is an industry standard based on the German BRV. When in use, it is recommended that tyres are replaced when they reach 6 - 10 years old, (6 years in the case of caravans or trailers). The question is how do you know / evidence when a tyre was fitted? There is no requirement to keep a record of the tyre fitting date, so there will be no evidence to back up a that a 5yr old perfectly well warehouse stored tyre that was fitted in year 5 is "in essence,"brand new". Even tho it is. So if you try and sell the car with tyres that are 6yrs old according to the DOT date, but only one year old according to the seller, the buyer will call bull and leverage a discount from you to replace the tyres. I suspect stock is kept low, so the likelihood of aged tyres sitting around is low, but it clearly happens. If I am paying full retail for the tyres, I will demand new rubber. If the supplier has new old stock, which has a reduced shelf life (or indeed, on paper out of date) give the customer the choice and discount the old stock to shift it. To me the issue is being charged full price. Had the OP been given a the option of new at full price or an offer of hefty discount bearing in mind the likely leverage someone will apply on the event of a sale, then the case for accepting NOS tyres becomes more appealing

What happens to 6yr old tyres that are 'new - never fitted'? You never see these for sale at reduced cost.

Armitage.Shanks said: What happens to 6yr old tyres that are 'new - never fitted'? You never see these for sale at reduced cost. Dealers buy them cheaper and stick them on cars.

Armitage.Shanks said: What happens to 6yr old tyres that are 'new - never fitted'? You never see these for sale at reduced cost. I would imagine that there really aren't that many of them! You have to be pretty terrible at stock management to have them around for that long IMO.