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As yours is a 2002, this should be changed every 48k miles.
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To date on one bank we have a snapped timing chan, snapped cam shaft and approx 4 valves that need replacing, they were going to do the otherside this afternoon but it doesn't look good.
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To date on one bank we have a snapped timing chan, snapped cam shaft and approx 4 valves that need replacing, they were going to do the otherside this afternoon but it doesn't look good.
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Just wanted to share with everyone my terrible Friday :lightening: (I know its Monday but I've been away).
Travelling home Friday afternoon, I suddenly heard 'bang'
which was immediately followed by the engine management light flashing like a disco light - no power no nothing. Pulled over, turned the engine off and took a deep breath. Tried to restart but all I got was what sounded like a bag of spanners in a washing machine, turned off v. quickly.
I eventually got the car to the garage (after waiting 2.5 hours for an AA flatbed) and eventually called the garage this afternoon. To date on one bank we have a snapped timing chan, snapped cam shaft and approx 4 valves that need replacing, they were going to do the otherside this afternoon but it doesn't look good.
I do have a warranty (not Porsche though) so I'm waiting for the garage to indentify what happened before I start talking with them.
My wife believes that a through-bred race horse would be cheaper to own. :roll: I going to stick with the car but at ths rate she might have a point.
Simon
Ouch... Sorry to hear that mate... :nooo:
Fingers crossed that the warranty company comes through for you...
I wonder if the timing chain broke because the engine siezed, or if it was the other way round? Not good news either way!
Just heard back from the garage and I'm going need a new engine
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However the warranty company are going to send a engineer to review what's left of my now defunct engine and then write up his report, looks like Friday pm before I hear anything. I can only hope he understands enough about Porsche engines to realise that a new engine rather than a re-build is the right route. :?:
Will keep you all updated, will continue to pray :worship:
Simon
Best of luck, really crappy news. I personally would have thought either intermediate shaft or cylinder liner failed. As there wasn't oil loss, I suspect it's the latter.
If it was me I would carefully consider what you do next (assuming it all works out well!!!).
For me, the most attractive options are:
Option 1 - Brand new engine from OPC. This will provide you with a 2 year warranty, although I believe it needs to still be a 3.4 (assuming you have a 3.4), due to the fly by wire (someone else will confirm, I'm sure)?
Option 2 - Go to Baz at Hartech and get a rebuilt engine with upgraded parts. You will need to trade your old one in, but this also gets a warranty and a much better engine (ie. replaced cylinder liners and upgraded intermediate shaft)
If you have to pay, option 2 is the cheaper option, although PCGB may well contribute to the engine cost...not sure, due to unknowns around age/mileage/service history of the car.
Ok, guys here's the update.
Just heard back from the garage, the warranty company sent an engineer round yesterday and they are saying that the timing belt is worn so is not covered under the terms of the warranty - Wear and Tear excluded. As you can imagine I'm more than a little hacked off :gunfire:
As I've not yet given up on getting something out of these guys, I've a couple of questions.
1. Does anyone have the number for Porsche GB cutomer services?
2. How long should a timing chain last for? (one of the reasons for question 1)
3. Does anyone know of a good independent engineer in the North West to see if I can get a second opinion?
4. If I put a rebuilt engine in from Hartech or Autofarm would that stop me getting the extended warranty?
Also for the record my car is 3.6 facelift, 7 years old with 70k on the clock, sorry if this seems a light short and sharp, but 'm majorly hacked of looking at a potential five figure bill.
Thanks for the help.
Simon
I believe the timing belt is on a chain and is one the main selling points of the 996 engine.
This isn't serviceable by design.
The drive belt is a serviceable part and is outside the engine. As yours is a 2002, this should be changed every 48k miles. I doubt they are talking about this belt as it wouldn't cause catastrophic engine failure.
I don't see how they could deduce that the timing belt failed, because it would be difficult to detect what failed first.
I would get a second opinion from Hartech personally. Get your car down there. Once you've got their opinion, get them to fit a reconditioned and improved engine that is guaranteed for 2 years.
Once you've got the second opinion and assuming it's favourable (which I would think would be the case), I would be prepared to throw a few quid at getting a solicitor involved. IMO the warranty company are trying it on and I am sure that you can negotiate this position.
Someone has posted the email address of the MD for PCGB, someone Goss or something like that. Have a look on google for his name and then search on here, it will soon come up.
A new engine will be about 6k + fitting, so you're not far off with the estimate unfortunately.
Best of luck.
Your car does not have a timing belt (as GD says), it has a timing 'chain' which is not changed routinely at ANY mileage as part of the service schedule.
Also, as GD says, the drive 'belt' cannot cause catastrophic engine failure.
The engineer is talking b*ll*cks and the warranty company is just trying to wriggle out of their responsibility.
On that basis, they would never pay out for anything, as every component on a car has wear and tear the moment it is driven out of the factory gates!
The only items that are wear and tear are serviceable items that have not been replaced when they should have been or friction components (brakes and clutch).
Fight it... :kungfu:
