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We are looking at purchasing a 996 TT manual but can only afford one with mileage over 100k and over 7 owners. We are looking at the car as being a fun drive (I have recently sold my M3) but also an asset that will hopefully appreciate (I say hopefully as I know there is no such thing as a sure thing when it comes to cars). The car has full Porsche service history and has been well maintained and cared for. Good colour and reasonable spec. From the investment perspective is it a no no to go for one with this sort of mileage and number of owners. Appreciate you should go for the best you can but we are only just able to scrape together enough money for the ones we have been looking at given that it is getting harder to find manual turbos. Up against a bit of a deadline so urgent advice much appreciated.

can you afford circa £2-3k pa to maintain it and service it, plus insurance? its a £100k+ car with that type running costs. you are buying exactly the age/type that at some point may need an expensive repair.

No matter what one you get it won't appreciate in value the way you think

Cars with such high mileage (>100k) almost never rise in price. At best, it will hold flat. The cars (under 30 years-old) that usually soar in price are the ones with tiny mileage (<10k).

the difference between a 100k mileage example and a 60/70k mileage example is only a couple of thousand pounds, save up for the extra imo there are so many available that a 100k+ turbo will never be investment grade imo

Thanks for prompt advice much appreciated. Had done quite a bit of research which suggested that whilst automatic turbo’s are quite common and unlikely to appreciate the manuals were different. Interesting to note that the consensus on here is otherwise. is the same view held re the 996 4S manual?

200Plus Club said: can you afford circa £2-3k pa to maintain it and service it, plus insurance? its a £100k+ car with that type running costs. you are buying exactly the age/type that at some point may need an expensive repair. This. Put £250 a month away to pay for the annual running costs. If you don't spend it - it's all good.

AES14 said: Thanks for prompt advice much appreciated. Had done quite a bit of research which suggested that whilst automatic turbo’s are quite common and unlikely to appreciate the manuals were different. Interesting to note that the consensus on here is otherwise. is the same view held re the 996 4S manual? When I last looked prices had stagnated. They fell as low as 18k a few years back (4?) then slowly picked up. However, there is a marked difference in price between 50-60k and 100+ (like 15k+). So, I'd not bank on any car that you buy to drive going up in value. You may find a cheaper 70k miler and not lose much in depreciation over a few years, but you'd certainly pay in keeping it in good condition. I think I averaged about the 3k figure mentioned

Byker28i said: 200Plus Club said: can you afford circa £2-3k pa to maintain it and service it, plus insurance? its a £100k+ car with that type running costs. you are buying exactly the age/type that at some point may need an expensive repair. This. Put £250 a month away to pay for the annual running costs. If you don't spend it - it's all good. At least. I know too former-owners of 996 Turbos, both with half the milage. Great cars but in the last year of ownership of both, running costs were astronomical. This is not the car to scrape together and max out on IMO.

If you can only just afford to buy a high mileage car with many owners, could you afford to pay for the maintenance, or worse a major fault? Tim

A 996 turbo is a much better proposition than the 996 C4S. No engine problems on the turbo and the performance is in a different league. The 996 turbo S or a 996 turbo x50 are more desirable as they come with 450bhp as standard. Although it's easy to unlock more power on a standard 996 turbo with a chip. Suggest looking at the history - front radiators, brake discs, clutches, suspension and heat shields are all points to check other than regular servicing. Great cars in all weathers.

Thanks all food for thought. We can afford the annual costs the issue is getting the lump sum together for initial purchase.

I had a 996 tt x50 (s) from new and ‘fun’ isn’t the best word. I’ve also owned 2 M3s BTW. Astonishingly quick, bizzarely grippy in the wet, and FAR better that the driver are words I would use for the turbo s. You might find it lacking in the fun department. ...and I bet you will lose money on it, not because it won’t appreciate, (Though I doubt it will) but because you’ll need a pile to keep it on the road. Check out the price of a new set of z rated tyres that fit the rims! Good luck if you decide to do it... lovely and very safe car to drive. Fun? Not unless you take it on track and waste some tyres! ETA... which I did. Edited by GetCarter on Thursday 11th January 17:36

Not concerned about the mileage, what's been done recently is more important. I'd risk saying that a 50k miler is not a good buy because there are a lot of bits that will need replacing within the next 10-15k miles, so you pay more, twice over.

If its what you want, buy it and enjoy it. Do your homework and find a independent repairer with a reasonable hourly rate, and a good knowledge of the 996. Spares are plentiful on ebay and through breakers yards, with a bit of ingenuity running a turbo can be affordable, even on a budget. Personally i would warn against track days as they will punish your car, plus the risk of damage. Live your life now, the things that are a financial stretch are more rewarding, if you wait till its a safe bet, it won't mean as much :-)

hardlylikely said: If its what you want, buy it and enjoy it. Do your homework and find a independent repairer with a reasonable hourly rate, and a good knowledge of the 996. Spares are plentiful on ebay and through breakers yards, with a bit of ingenuity running a turbo can be affordable, even on a budget. Personally i would warn against track days as they will punish your car, plus the risk of damage. Live your life now, the things that are a financial stretch are more rewarding, if you wait till its a safe bet, it won't mean as much :-) Very good point. No-one lays on a death bed wishing they spent more time in a 2-litre diesel.

You won’t make money. You will spend a lot to keep it up to standard. You will be buying an absolutely fabulous car. Even now there are very few cars that will live with a purposefully driven 996TT in every day motoring. I had one from new in 2002. Fantastic spec, tiptronic and still yearn for that thrust.

A lot of wannabe 911 owners get fed the line two grand a year to maintain. It’s true some of the time, but not a rule. Keeping on top of things costs. Turbos even more so. Everything from Porsche costs an arm and a leg. Believe me. Bills start at a grand Brakes,clutch,suspension Ouch On a 100k+ Car with that power, they’ll all want doing about now. 911 specialists Once again, ouch. Sounds like you’re under pressure to buy quickly, then walk That car may look great, however it’s a whole ball game away from a new/ish BM It’s not the buying it, it’s the running it Entry to the 911 buy it now,and the only way the cars value will go is up club is now closed. The best advice I can offer is to take the car down to Ken at 9e near LGW and have him take a look at it. He’s a turbo specialist. Don’t buy it blind. The 997Turbo is far better A whole different ball game.

This was going to be my exact comment as well. Drive before you buy to see if it meets your definition of fun. It doesn't meet mine. GetCarter said: I had a 996 tt x50 (s) from new and ‘fun’ isn’t the best word. I’ve also owned 2 M3s BTW. Astonishingly quick, bizzarely grippy in the wet, and FAR better that the driver are words I would use for the turbo s. You might find it lacking in the fun department. ...and I bet you will lose money on it, not because it won’t appreciate, (Though I doubt it will) but because you’ll need a pile to keep it on the road. Check out the price of a new set of z rated tyres that fit the rims! Good luck if you decide to do it... lovely and very safe car to drive. Fun? Not unless you take it on track and waste some tyres! ETA... which I did. Edited by GetCarter on Thursday 11th January 17:36

Thanks all. Rush of my own making as secured an amazing lease deal on a boring car so need to jump one way or another by tomorrow! Typical!

What's your budget as I can't see it. I'm currently selling my 105,000 mile 996 turbo. I would say I've spent probably the average of 1500 a year on it. A couple of years ago I had an expensive couple of months when I had the water pump changed, a turbo replaced and all 4 discs and pads done. Needless to say I was not very popular with my wife. My clutch was done at 55,000 or so but I have no evidence of slippage. I had the rads and condensers done when I first bought it 4.5 years ago. Remember that some things will go irrelevant of mileage, I.e. water pump is always running. My interior is in fantastic condition.

chriscoates81 said: What's your budget as I can't see it. I'm currently selling my 105,000 mile 996 turbo. I would say I've spent probably the average of 1500 a year on it. A couple of years ago I had an expensive couple of months when I had the water pump changed, a turbo replaced and all 4 discs and pads done. Needless to say I was not very popular with my wife. My clutch was done at 55,000 or so but I have no evidence of slippage. I had the rads and condensers done when I first bought it 4.5 years ago. Remember that some things will go irrelevant of mileage, I.e. water pump is always running. My interior is in fantastic condition. What are you looking for? What colour? What, if any, add on spec?

AES14 said: Thanks for prompt advice much appreciated. Had done quite a bit of research which suggested that whilst automatic turbo’s are quite common and unlikely to appreciate the manuals were different. Interesting to note that the consensus on here is otherwise. is the same view held re the 996 4S manual? the manuals will be stronger money than tips and hold value better, but the comments on appreciation are to do with the mileage you are looking at not the gearbox wouldn't put me off provided you buy at the right price, and its been looked after Edited by Adam B on Friday 12th January 09:17

I'd echo the comments so far on running costs. I've been running a very late 2005 Turbo S for the past five-and-a-half years, from 55k to now 75k miles. Generally it has cost buttons to run, but now and again you get a spike in cost that has probably rounded out at a couple of grand per year (£1700 per year for servicing, now I go back and look at my blog on here). Examples would be about £1000 spent at 9e sorting out boost leaks, diverter valves, etc when I bought it, despite it flying through a Porsche 111 point check with no issues. That transformed the drive of the car, giving it back 100bhp or so, so felt like money well spent. I then had a few cheap years of routine servicing, with the main costs being a shiny 100 cell sports exhaust from Speedtech and a new water pump, before a big year two years ago. In that year I had 4 new tyres; aircon pipes replaced; new condensers; refreshed suspension (front top mounts, 4 shock absorbers, coffin arms); replaced all the exhaust manifold bolts; clutch accumulator; and a service - all in the space of a couple of months. That added up to around £5k, but again the tyres and suspension work really transformed the car back to "as new" feeling, so didn't feel poor value. They're all known weak points too, so would be looked on as a decent investment if I ever come to sell. Compare and contrast with the much newer McLaren I've been toying with replacing it with, which would cost a fairly predictable £4.5k per year for warranty and servicing, and the 996 is still far cheaper to run. I'm fortunate that I bought near the bottom of the market, and the S has become somewhat collectible, but even if you bought now you'd have the benefit of very low depreciation and relatively low running costs compared to anything with similar performance. On the fun point, you have to drive one for a while. Yes, the 996 Turbo is astonishingly capable and gets criticised for that, but it's also very analogue compared to most of today's performance cars. I swapped from a series of mad TVRs and a 997 GT3 to the Turbo S after a short break, and although it doesn't have the incredible steering feel or top end of the GT car, it does feel "alive" on the road. The only problem is the lack of theatre at low speeds, but that can be a positive thing depending what you're using it for. Best of luck with choosing!

pete said: I'd echo the comments so far on running costs. I've been running a very late 2005 Turbo S for the past five-and-a-half years, from 55k to now 75k miles. Generally it has cost buttons to run, but now and again you get a spike in cost that has probably rounded out at a couple of grand per year (£1700 per year for servicing, now I go back and look at my blog on here). Examples would be about £1000 spent at 9e sorting out boost leaks, diverter valves, etc when I bought it, despite it flying through a Porsche 111 point check with no issues. That transformed the drive of the car, giving it back 100bhp or so, so felt like money well spent. I then had a few cheap years of routine servicing, with the main costs being a shiny 100 cell sports exhaust from Speedtech and a new water pump, before a big year two years ago. In that year I had 4 new tyres; aircon pipes replaced; new condensers; refreshed suspension (front top mounts, 4 shock absorbers, coffin arms); replaced all the exhaust manifold bolts; clutch accumulator; and a service - all in the space of a couple of months. That added up to around £5k, but again the tyres and suspension work really transformed the car back to "as new" feeling, so didn't feel poor value. They're all known weak points too, so would be looked on as a decent investment if I ever come to sell. Compare and contrast with the much newer McLaren I've been toying with replacing it with, which would cost a fairly predictable £4.5k per year for warranty and servicing, and the 996 is still far cheaper to run. I'm fortunate that I bought near the bottom of the market, and the S has become somewhat collectible, but even if you bought now you'd have the benefit of very low depreciation and relatively low running costs compared to anything with similar performance. On the fun point, you have to drive one for a while. Yes, the 996 Turbo is astonishingly capable and gets criticised for that, but it's also very analogue compared to most of today's performance cars. I swapped from a series of mad TVRs and a 997 GT3 to the Turbo S after a short break, and although it doesn't have the incredible steering feel or top end of the GT car, it does feel "alive" on the road. The only problem is the lack of theatre at low speeds, but that can be a positive thing depending what you're using it for. Best of luck with choosing! Thanks- more interesting reading. So many thinks to consider in such a short space of time.

I picked up a 996 turbo with the x50 kit from a dealer who didnt know what he had, and was also my first porsche! Issue with the car is actually the speed of it, which prevents you having fun in the car - it breaks the speed limit in 2nd gear. I used it in germany and the power was insane, but it was never actually fun, and dont forget there is very little sound to go with it, its more whoosh than roar - but im sure that can be fixed for a princely sum on a new exhaust. I dont regret owning it, but the fear of big bills was always in my mind. The guy who bought it from me had an independant inspection done, but called me 3 months later saying both turbo's needed replacing and did i still have my warranty direct cover on it - luckily i did as i forgot to cancel. In short.... bloody quick, looks great, but not that fun. (As an aside, i replaced it with a 2.7 987 boxster which was more fun to drive!)

g7jhp said: Great cars in all weathers. Yep, great snow scoop in wintry weather, and in heavy rain you're just the right height for every other bit of traffic to blind you. The same could be said unequivocally of other small sports cars though.

AES14 said: What are you looking for? What colour? What, if any, add on spec? I was hoping for £35,000 but I'm flexible. It's silver with black interior, pics I will try and post later (am currently on my mobile and it's a pain to do) spec wise it's got Cruise control, Top tinted windscreen, Parking sensors, PCM (Since replaced with pioneer Avic F960bt which has navigation, Bluetooth with support for reversing camera and microsd card slot for music), Heated leather sports seats and stainless steel entry panels with model type face. Is currently ‘sill naked’ as the kick plates are not attached (but are included with the sale). The centre console has been painted to colour match the exterior colour. Also has a certificate of authenticity from Porsche. Turbos come with pretty good spec as standard and I'm willing to include a set of winter wheels and tires in with that sale price which I would deliver (wheels not the car) a reasonable distance. I live near hull for reference. I've attached a link so hopefully it will work https://1drv.ms/f/s!AjYR6IkxRdDEmz_URBt7AqO589fJ

chriscoates81 said: I was hoping for £35,000 but I'm flexible. It's silver with black interior, pics I will try and post later (am currently on my mobile and it's a pain to do) spec wise it's got Cruise control, Top tinted windscreen, Parking sensors, PCM (Since replaced with pioneer Avic F960bt which has navigation, Bluetooth with support for reversing camera and microsd card slot for music), Heated leather sports seats and stainless steel entry panels with model type face. Is currently ‘sill naked’ as the kick plates are not attached (but are included with the sale). The centre console has been painted to colour match the exterior colour. Also has a certificate of authenticity from Porsche. Turbos come with pretty good spec as standard and I'm willing to include a set of winter wheels and tires in with that sale price which I would deliver (wheels not the car) a reasonable distance. I live near hull for reference. Afraid 3k over our budget and the one we were looking at

I've had a 2000 Manual Turbo for 8 years and counting. As has been mentioned earlier on in the thread, some years I've had nothing to pay other than a service and MOT. In those 8 years I've only had one surprise bill which was the rads, one leaked but I replaced everything while at it......can't remember the final cost, £1500-ish?. All other big bills have been purely voluntary, where I've decided to carry out preventative work i.e. Heat sheilds / bolts, coolant / oil pipework etc etc. Great cars, just make sure you buy a good one and have spare money in the bank ready for if something goes wrong. If nothing does go wrong still spend every so often on preventative measures.

AES14 said: Afraid 3k over our budget and the one we were looking at I was willing to drop down to £33,000 without the winter wheels and tyres.

stuttgartmetal said: A lot of wannabe 911 owners get fed the line two grand a year to maintain. It’s true some of the time, but not a rule. Keeping on top of things costs. Turbos even more so. Everything from Porsche costs an arm and a leg. Believe me. Bills start at a grand Brakes,clutch,suspension Ouch On a 100k+ Car with that power, they’ll all want doing about now. 911 specialists Once again, ouch. Sounds like you’re under pressure to buy quickly, then walk That car may look great, however it’s a whole ball game away from a new/ish BM It’s not the buying it, it’s the running it Entry to the 911 buy it now,and the only way the cars value will go is up club is now closed. The best advice I can offer is to take the car down to Ken at 9e near LGW and have him take a look at it. He’s a turbo specialist. Don’t buy it blind. The 997Turbo is far better A whole different ball game. If it hasn't had a gearbox overhaul it will definitely need one. Budget about £8k all in, parts (gears, bearings, syncros, clutch etc. etc.) for that. Having run a (lower mileage) 996 turbo, it often feels like they have two of every component that can require attention; turbos, actuators, wastegates, intercoolers etc. etc. They are a hugely capable car, far, far better than their reputation, but you would really need to do the odd Eurohoon or trackday to see the benefit of the cars full potential. In some regards, if it weren't for GT3s and GT3 RSs, people would rave about quite how capable a turbo is, but the limelight is stolen by the GT cars, because they're so supremely good.

I thought about buying one 5 or 6 years ago when they were around £25k for an early one with around 60k miles. I wouldn't consider a 100k car at today's money unless I had a £10k reserve, and it had a checkable service history.

The thing to remember, and to console yourself with, when the bills inevitably arrive, is what an utterly brilliant bit of kit the 996 turbo was, back in it's day. I took mine to the Nurburgring, driving in convoy with a mate in a 5.2 V10 engined Audi R8 GT and, on the road, even the open autobahn, you'd barely put a fag paper between them, in real world driving.

popeyewhite said: g7jhp said: Great cars in all weathers. Yep, great snow scoop in wintry weather, and in heavy rain you're just the right height for every other bit of traffic to blind you. The same could be said unequivocally of other small sports cars though. The comment was made in relation to the ability to get power down, the grip and poise whether it is dry, damp or monsoon. I've had other performance cars and 4wd cars but the 996 turbo is in another league and does it without any drama.

g7jhp said: The comment was made in relation to the ability to get power down, the grip and poise whether it is dry, damp or monsoon. Yes I know.

stuttgartmetal said: A lot of wannabe 911 owners get fed the line two grand a year to maintain. It’s true some of the time, but not a rule. Keeping on top of things costs. Turbos even more so. Everything from Porsche costs an arm and a leg. Believe me. Bills start at a grand Brakes,clutch,suspension Ouch On a 100k+ Car with that power, they’ll all want doing about now. 911 specialists Once again, ouch. Sounds like you’re under pressure to buy quickly, then walk That car may look great, however it’s a whole ball game away from a new/ish BM It’s not the buying it, it’s the running it Entry to the 911 buy it now,and the only way the cars value will go is up club is now closed. The best advice I can offer is to take the car down to Ken at 9e near LGW and have him take a look at it. He’s a turbo specialist. Don’t buy it blind. The 997Turbo is far better A whole different ball game. Or Matt at Fearnsport if he's closer.

Digga said: f it hasn't had a gearbox overhaul it will definitely need one. Absolute rubbish.

jimPH said: Digga said: f it hasn't had a gearbox overhaul it will definitely need one. Absolute rubbish. Bearings fail. Mine did. Well known to fail, you get humming that increases with speed, at a frequency that sounds like it's twice or three times wheel rotational velocity. At around 70k miles. 1,300 Euros in parts alone - not for all the bearings, just the failed pair and a couple others replaced as a precaution, some bearings cost 400 euro each. And related seals also replaced as a precaution. The full set of bearings and other bits for a full rebuild of parts that wear, I calculated, IIRC would have cost around 5k, excluding gearsets. Interestingly? Some bearings I replaced don't appear anywhere on Porsche's catalogue, not even OPC could id. Just not on the drawings, so impossible to source officially. Thankfully shared with older models, going back to the G50 box so with some serious sleuthing and also measurement it was possible to find a supplier (FVD). Shortly after, the diff internals lost a couple of teeth... and this part does not even have a part number, apparently you can only buy complete with gearbox... for something like 10k+. Luckily sourced one from the States. Alternatively, an aftermarket LSD would have gone in.

jimPH said: Digga said: f it hasn't had a gearbox overhaul it will definitely need one. Absolute rubbish. second gear popping out very common. Requires a complete re build. Not sure what that costs nowadays but £10,000 rings a bell. I've spent £12,000 on really boring odds and sods in last 18 months. As others have said the turbo needs much more attention than other na models. If you're running on a budget a 997.2 Carrera a much better bet in terms of depreciation free motoring as running costs lower on the newer car with servicing every two years. The turbo is a weapon though.

Even having only had a relatively lowly 987 2.7, all I'll say is whatever you do, get a pre-purchase inspection done by a specialist.

996TT02 said: jimPH said: Digga said: f it hasn't had a gearbox overhaul it will definitely need one. Absolute rubbish. Bearings fail. Mine did. Well known to fail, you get humming that increases with speed, at a frequency that sounds like it's twice or three times wheel rotational velocity. At around 70k miles. 1,300 Euros in parts alone - not for all the bearings, just the failed pair and a couple others replaced as a precaution, some bearings cost 400 euro each. And related seals also replaced as a precaution. The full set of bearings and other bits for a full rebuild of parts that wear, I calculated, IIRC would have cost around 5k, excluding gearsets. Interestingly? Some bearings I replaced don't appear anywhere on Porsche's catalogue, not even OPC could id. Just not on the drawings, so impossible to source officially. Thankfully shared with older models, going back to the G50 box so with some serious sleuthing and also measurement it was possible to find a supplier (FVD). Shortly after, the diff internals lost a couple of teeth... and this part does not even have a part number, apparently you can only buy complete with gearbox... for something like 10k+. Luckily sourced one from the States. Alternatively, an aftermarket LSD would have gone in. Your gearbox needed a rebuild. Plenty going further without. A sample size of one is hardly scientific. Mine is going well beyond 100k. There's no fact that it will need a rebuild after 100k. I don't dispute the cost, just your reasoning. I'm looking at upgrades because I'm well in excess of standard power, guards diff is the one to have, the casings are what break. Rebuild can get pricey though agreed, but if it's a car on standard power or a remap, the gearbox will no doubt be fine. Second gear pop out can happen at any time. Edited by jimPH on Saturday 13th January 18:13

Ive had a 996T for 11yrs and done nearly 90,000 miles, its a great car. I might have been lucky but my bills have been nothing like some of those quoted, probably well less than £1000 on average a year. I always have a chuckle when I watch this vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJemsVMhEhs

jimPH said: Digga said: f it hasn't had a gearbox overhaul it will definitely need one. Absolute rubbish. Pick a day, any day, and go and visit Sports & Classic's workshops. More often than not, there will be a car - 996 or 997, turbo or GT - with a gearbox out under repair. So I'm definitely not basing this on a "sample of one". Mileage is almost irrelevant, because there are so many other variables; mechanical sympathy of drivers, types of journeys the mileage has been accrued over, power modifications. One thing that's statistically certain is that the further any car goes, the more likely it is to need attention. Sure, a car could theoretically do 300,000 miles, but it'd be an outlier. From what I've been told and learned, many of the weaknesses of the 'box are in the assembly, not necessarily in the deficiency or specification of the components.

Digga said: jimPH said: Digga said: f it hasn't had a gearbox overhaul it will definitely need one. Absolute rubbish. Pick a day, any day, and go and visit Sports & Classic's workshops. More often than not, there will be a car - 996 or 997, turbo or GT - with a gearbox out under repair. So I'm definitely not basing this on a "sample of one". Mileage is almost irrelevant, because there are so many other variables; mechanical sympathy of drivers, types of journeys the mileage has been accrued over, power modifications. One thing that's statistically certain is that the further any car goes, the more likely it is to need attention. Sure, a car could theoretically do 300,000 miles, but it'd be an outlier. From what I've been told and learned, many of the weaknesses of the 'box are in the assembly, not necessarily in the deficiency or specification of the components. Mike is the go to guy for gearboxes, I have no doubt he is busy, but how many of them are failures due to 100k+. Like you say, the are many reasons, the Porsche repair market is bouyant due to engine failures, why not get a box refresh while it's out. Many are building for tuning, power, handling etc. There's no 100k rule on the turbo gearbox. So scaremongering anyone buying a car with that mileage due to box failure is quite frankly utter codswallop.

jimPH said: Digga said: jimPH said: Digga said: f it hasn't had a gearbox overhaul it will definitely need one. Absolute rubbish. Pick a day, any day, and go and visit Sports & Classic's workshops. More often than not, there will be a car - 996 or 997, turbo or GT - with a gearbox out under repair. So I'm definitely not basing this on a "sample of one". Mileage is almost irrelevant, because there are so many other variables; mechanical sympathy of drivers, types of journeys the mileage has been accrued over, power modifications. One thing that's statistically certain is that the further any car goes, the more likely it is to need attention. Sure, a car could theoretically do 300,000 miles, but it'd be an outlier. From what I've been told and learned, many of the weaknesses of the 'box are in the assembly, not necessarily in the deficiency or specification of the components. Mike is the go to guy for gearboxes, I have no doubt he is busy, but how many of them are failures due to 100k+. Like you say, the are many reasons, the Porsche repair market is bouyant due to engine failures, why not get a box refresh while it's out. Many are building for tuning, power, handling etc. There's no 100k rule on the turbo gearbox. So scaremongering anyone buying a car with that mileage due to box failure is quite frankly utter codswallop. I should rather have said, it definitely needs checking, carefully. However... that's really hard to do. When my car developed 2nd gear pop-out, I recon a decent PPI (yes, more fool me, I know) would (if they were specifically looking out for it) have identified the issue. Hours poring over all service bills would also, eventually have found a tell tale line item too; GTech gearbox detent - a device used to cure symptoms (but not the cause) of pop-out. It was only once the 'box was in bits, were the other issues were unearthed.

Charles22 said: Ive had a 996T for 11yrs and done nearly 90,000 miles, its a great car. I might have been lucky but my bills have been nothing like some of those quoted, probably well less than £1000 on average a year. I always have a chuckle when I watch this vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJemsVMhEhs Yep. They're fantastic cars. That lap time, in the wet, really puts it into perspective.

Was probably on PZeros, too :-)

jimPH said: Your gearbox needed a rebuild. Plenty going further without. A sample size of one is hardly scientific. Mine is going well beyond 100k. There's no fact that it will need a rebuild after 100k. I don't dispute the cost, just your reasoning. I'm looking at upgrades because I'm well in excess of standard power, guards diff is the one to have, the casings are what break. Rebuild can get pricey though agreed, but if it's a car on standard power or a remap, the gearbox will no doubt be fine. Second gear pop out can happen at any time. Edited by jimPH on Saturday 13th January 18:13 No, my point is, the very particular bearing that did fail is well known to fail in these boxes. No, they won't all fail below/above any specific mileage. But it's not about "needing a rebuild" as if that were something to be expected, regular wear and tear. This was entirely about a specific bearing - that does fail for a certain percentage of owners. My car is 100% standard no power increase of any sort. Obviously once the box is open you do tend to spend a bit more on parts than just the bare minimum. When trying to identify the problem I trawled up lots of info and saved it, here are just a couple of quotes: "I then figured I could try to email a US-based company called G Box, that specialises in rebuilding Porsche gearboxes. Got an answer within 30 minutes. "This is a classic pinion bearing, thrust bearing problem. The part number is 999-052-164-00" And "Those of us in the gearbox business see that bearing go bad all the time. That same bearing is in all Cup Cars and GT3s in addition to the Turbos. for the street cars it tends to wear out faster on the turbos, and you hear about it more often on them than GT3s, probably because of the difference in power levels. But it is a known weak point of the gearbox, and thus why the guy at Gbox called it the "typical thrust bearing" failure."

996TT02 said: No, my point is, the very particular bearing that did fail is well known to fail in these boxes. No, they won't all fail below/above any specific mileage. But it's not about "needing a rebuild" as if that were something to be expected, regular wear and tear. This was entirely about a specific bearing - that does fail for a certain percentage of owners. My car is 100% standard no power increase of any sort. Obviously once the box is open you do tend to spend a bit more on parts than just the bare minimum. When trying to identify the problem I trawled up lots of info and saved it, here are just a couple of quotes: "I then figured I could try to email a US-based company called G Box, that specialises in rebuilding Porsche gearboxes. Got an answer within 30 minutes. "This is a classic pinion bearing, thrust bearing problem. The part number is 999-052-164-00" And "Those of us in the gearbox business see that bearing go bad all the time. That same bearing is in all Cup Cars and GT3s in addition to the Turbos. for the street cars it tends to wear out faster on the turbos, and you hear about it more often on them than GT3s, probably because of the difference in power levels. But it is a known weak point of the gearbox, and thus why the guy at Gbox called it the "typical thrust bearing" failure." It's just strange as I've never heard anyone on here have it go, or on 911uk or on the porscheclubgb website. What were the symptoms that let you know it had gone?

chriscoates81 said: 996TT02 said: No, my point is, the very particular bearing that did fail is well known to fail in these boxes. No, they won't all fail below/above any specific mileage. But it's not about "needing a rebuild" as if that were something to be expected, regular wear and tear. This was entirely about a specific bearing - that does fail for a certain percentage of owners. My car is 100% standard no power increase of any sort. Obviously once the box is open you do tend to spend a bit more on parts than just the bare minimum. When trying to identify the problem I trawled up lots of info and saved it, here are just a couple of quotes: "I then figured I could try to email a US-based company called G Box, that specialises in rebuilding Porsche gearboxes. Got an answer within 30 minutes. "This is a classic pinion bearing, thrust bearing problem. The part number is 999-052-164-00" And "Those of us in the gearbox business see that bearing go bad all the time. That same bearing is in all Cup Cars and GT3s in addition to the Turbos. for the street cars it tends to wear out faster on the turbos, and you hear about it more often on them than GT3s, probably because of the difference in power levels. But it is a known weak point of the gearbox, and thus why the guy at Gbox called it the "typical thrust bearing" failure." It's just strange as I've never heard anyone on here have it go, or on 911uk or on the porscheclubgb website. What were the symptoms that let you know it had gone? Not something that'd cropped up on my rebuild either FWIW. Closest part number would be; 99905209800 Angular Contact Bearing (Input Shaft). Another thing about my gearbox that was discovered, once it was opening, was that not all bearings were OEM. A botched attempt at repair must have been done in the past. Apparently, it's very difficult to extract some of the outer bearing shells - you need a jeffing big press - and this explain why one bearing was 'mix and match'; i.e. had a different make of outer shell to the race and inner.

Charles22 said: Ive had a 996T for 11yrs and done nearly 90,000 miles, its a great car. I might have been lucky but my bills have been nothing like some of those quoted, probably well less than £1000 on average a year. I always have a chuckle when I watch this vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJemsVMhEhs Thats top notch. Here's to another 90,000 trouble free motoring. Who services yours? I only ask as there are lots of even low mileage turbos out there where marque dealers buy with view to selling for a profit only to get a £10k refresh bill on something like a pair of new turbos with new oil lines etc! Depends generally on if the cars been driven around in salt etc, rusts the hell out of the turbos! You get bills for turbos, clutch and rads at the same time and its a shocker. I do know of a few turbos past 300,000 to 400,000 miles on original engine https://rennlist.com/forums/996-turbo-forum/662617...

I have owned mine for over 6 years now and it has averaged £1800 per annum for everything (including insurance and tax) bar fuel. I use a specialist for all of the work...been skewed recently by a clutch (£1000) and brake lines, discs, pads (app £600 i think) etc by i have zero complaints about the running costs...i guess i was just one of the lucky ones. Location and age helps the insurance as i was only paying £160 a year up until recently.

pmr01 said: I have owned mine for over 6 years now and it has averaged £1800 per annum for everything (including insurance and tax) bar fuel. I use a specialist for all of the work...been skewed recently by a clutch (£1000) and brake lines, discs, pads (app £600 i think) etc by i have zero complaints about the running costs...i guess i was just one of the lucky ones. Location and age helps the insurance as i was only paying £160 a year up until recently. 1600 ex insurance is more meaningful than 1800 incl then probably cheaper tax rate too

I have had mine around nearly 2 years now it had 90k miles on it a was a Cat D but had loads of service history a big folder of invoices etc including a letter off the guy who bumped it about 7 years ago and a list of all porsche dealer parts that were used. Tbh I bought it unseen at £20k it was in silver and tiptronic not the best combination in my opinion. As soon as I had it delivered I bought a new titanium exhaust and had Wayne Schofield map it it's now near 500bhp and flies. I then had it wrapped and new leather interior plus lots of trim either carbon dipped or actual carbon. I've put 4 new tyres on it and front GT3 6 pot brakes. I've also had the paddles fitted to the steering wheel. The only problem I have had is the ABS light came on which was a new front left sensor at £90 plus the engine light comes on now and again cos of the exhaust. I bought a code reader the car has never been over revved being a tiptronic helps there obviously and I bought a Bluetooth ecu adapter that I leave plugged in with an app so if the engine management light comes on I just reset it with my phone. Everything works it drives great sounds great I love it. Not as much fun as the GT3 but far better every day car. I've posted pics of the wrap on here before and took a bit of stick but like I say I like the changes I have made I didn't want a plain silver black interior car and at the end of the day I am very happy with the car that's all that matters eh! 1st pic was the original car just arrived at mine. [url] |https://thumbsnap.com/YjDvmmXo[/url]

Kevin-sz0nv said: Not as much fun as the GT3 but far better every day car. I do not regret selling my 996 turbo and changing to a GT3. The GT3 very much turns the experience up to eleven, to use a Spinal Tap analogy, but despite all of that, there is a felling, a quality, of the turbo experience that I will always miss. It feels daft to say it, but my turbo felt luxurious, like a far more expensive car (it had full leather interior) whilst at the same time being very, very quick and unflappable; a GT in the wider automotive, Gran Turismo sense. Kevin-sz0nv said: I've posted pics of the wrap on here before and took a bit of stick but like I say I like the changes I have made I didn't want a plain silver black interior car and at the end of the day I am very happy with the car that's all that matters eh! Now you mention it, I do remember your car! TBH buying a car as a keeper, as I'm guessing you have in this case, it's irrelevant what other people think. You will run it pretty much forever, so might as well have the car as you want it.

Exactly! And I won't lose a penny on it long term...

chriscoates81 said: What were the symptoms that let you know it had gone? It sounded just like a rear wheelbearing had failed in a sector of the race - not a continuous whine but thrum, thrum, thrum. The one thing that indicated that it was not a wheelbearing was that the frequency of the thrumming was not equal to 1 per wheel revolution but (from memory) around 3x wheel revolutions. Beyond that, it was a question of researching, asking lots of questions, then having the gearbox removed and taken apart on the basis of a conviction that the particular bearing in question had failed - and it had. Thankfully (in a way!).

Digga said: ot something that'd cropped up on my rebuild either FWIW. Closest part number would be; 99905209800 Angular Contact Bearing (Input Shaft). Another thing about my gearbox that was discovered, once it was opening, was that not all bearings were OEM. A botched attempt at repair must have been done in the past. Apparently, it's very difficult to extract some of the outer bearing shells - you need a jeffing big press - and this explain why one bearing was 'mix and match'; i.e. had a different make of outer shell to the race and inner. Not sure about the quoted p.no - maybe that was given incorrectly, it was someone's recollection after all - but what failed in my car was the same bearing, a "pinion shaft bearing" 99730229300 / 99905216400 "four point bearing with flange pinion shaft 40x82x18" and I also replaced it's brother on the other shaft, 99905209400 "four point bearing with flange Input shaft 30x62x16 " Or the other way round TBH - I know what I bought but did not record which of the two actually failed. Mechanic had presses did not report any issues but diff bearings were something else altogether, there are spacers to get the right backlash, but to try them out, you need to destroy the bearing each time... so upon discovering that the new bearings were tight he had 0.03 (from memory) of the bearing outer race surface ground. Edited by 996TT02 on Tuesday 16th January 20:56

I do think if you are lucky and maybe run one from new, if you are careful, then the costs are not dreadful. If you like preventative maintenance and don't like the idea that bits are not really A1 then running one of these is expensive. Realistically, mine has cost me ~£3K a year to service and maintain, at least. I've had it 3 years and only drive 5K a year. I am worried about the replacement turbos that I need to budget for which will come to circa £6K. Ken told me to budget £4K a year on 8K miles. My car is in good condition; '04; and has 78K miles and it's garaged and used carefully. They are complicated cars and have so much to maintain / can fail. Gearboxes, front diff, top mounts, heat shields, rads, turbos + gubbins, manifolds and exhausts, brake pipes, hoses etc.I love mine, though, and very seriously there are few cars I'd really like a great deal more at any price - and none at my level. A decent '6 GT3 RS or Carrera GT (holy grail) I'd prefer. Other cars - well I'd just as likely get into the 996, an old friend I know and love.

Would look good PS It’s Ali as in aluminium not alloy

Love or hate these rims ?? Personally i Love them!! For me they really update the 996T

jimPH said: All you need to do is change over the seat belt buckles, they're different on a 996. The wiring and air bag connected up easily iirc. Other than that, direct fit on the rails. Aren't these just standard 997 seats or do they only come in the GT3? Really updates the interior!

neutral 3 said: Love or hate these rims ?? Personally i Love them!! For me they really update the 996T I can't look past the awful white text on the tyres! the alloys looks nice but personally the stock wheels look great and have aged really well!

shantybeater said: jimPH said: All you need to do is change over the seat belt buckles, they're different on a 996. The wiring and air bag connected up easily iirc. Other than that, direct fit on the rails. Aren't these just standard 997 seats or do they only come in the GT3? Really updates the interior! Mine were out of a GT3, not sure if they were optioned in another model. Only semi electric and alcantara. But they are superbly comfortable and a massive improvement over standard.

Just got the insurance for my new turbo purchase - I need a lie down. It was 280 quid, 8K miles including business ... that's actually less than I was paying for my C2

nebpor said: Just got the insurance for my new turbo purchase - I need a lie down. It was 280 quid, 8K miles including business ... that's actually less than I was paying for my C2 Sounds good! Agreed value policy ?

No but TBH I’ve never really read good things about them - maybe on an appreciating car but not sure helpful on this one My plan is just not to have a crash that bad ;-) Two days to go. Aaaargh! Anticipation killing me!

jimPH said: shantybeater said: jimPH said: All you need to do is change over the seat belt buckles, they're different on a 996. The wiring and air bag connected up easily iirc. Other than that, direct fit on the rails. Aren't these just standard 997 seats or do they only come in the GT3? Really updates the interior! Mine were out of a GT3, not sure if they were optioned in another model. Only semi electric and alcantara. But they are superbly comfortable and a massive improvement over standard. They look like 997 Sports seats to me (I have them in my car - rake of the backrest is electric, the rest manual). The standard 997 seat doesn't have the shoulder lumps. You could also get adaptive seats and (I think) full on electric chairs.

Murph7355 said: jimPH said: shantybeater said: jimPH said: All you need to do is change over the seat belt buckles, they're different on a 996. The wiring and air bag connected up easily iirc. Other than that, direct fit on the rails. Aren't these just standard 997 seats or do they only come in the GT3? Really updates the interior! Mine were out of a GT3, not sure if they were optioned in another model. Only semi electric and alcantara. But they are superbly comfortable and a massive improvement over standard. They look like 997 Sports seats to me (I have them in my car - rake of the backrest is electric, the rest manual). The standard 997 seat doesn't have the shoulder lumps. You could also get adaptive seats and (I think) full on electric chairs. If you specked a 996/7 GT3 with 'comfort' seats, then they would be the electro adjust seats as the other models f 996/7. So yes, standard.

Picked mine up now, over the moon but I’ve not had a chance to drive it properly yet! Engine feels amazing and car feels so confident on the road - driving it home to Scotland on Thursday so I will get a good run then. Mike has been a lovely guy to deal with and I’ll go back there for my servicing in future! Anyway, can’t stop grinning

Good for you - pics?

Best ones here in the advert Adam - my 996.1 was Artic with sports seats as well, so I'm a fan! It's in great condition .... feels 10 years younger than my old car rather than 3! It's a late 2001 car so a 2002 spec with glovebox, dimming mirror, heated seats etc Feels very firm compared to my 3.4 (which was on new dampers) but very well controlled. Brakes feel epic once you stand on them! Barely had a chance to warm the engine up yet and I don't know the roads here, so I'm taking it easy till I get it back to Scotland! https://sportsandclassic.com/996-turbo/

Beautiful!

Very nice and I like the spec - especially the small Ali pack, and the ali/leather gearstick and handbrake which breaks up the black interior well Also leather rear centre console is rare to find and does a good job of hiding the rather naff plastic standard trim (got this retro fitted in my 997 turbo) Heated seats was always a cost option btw

I didn’t even notice the leather console and thanks for the info on the seats! In two days both kids seats will be back in the car and it’s back to the school run ;-)

Very nice, and if you purchased it from Mike at S&C's, it'll be a proper car. He used to look after my 996t several years back, and Mike and his team left no stone unturned in keeping it in top top condition. Enjoy, they're great cars.

nebpor said: My 3.4 was a 1999 car, in artic with black hard-backed sports seats as well, so the spec is similar, but going into this new car felt like a massive step up in build quality - interior felt hewn from granite! And yes, it was the history that appealed to me - I could have went for a lower mileage car and found all of that needed doing. 3.5 years of 996 ownership has my eyes open to everything that is still to come, but it's still going to be my daily so I'm prepared to keep it in good nick and as you say, pile the miles on... i'm not buying it as an investment You’re going to love it. Into my 13th year in 911 turbo from new and still reluctant to sell her. Fits perfect like an old pair of shoes. Not a squeak or a rattle and you’d be hard pushed to say a brand new drives better. In fact have a brand new 991.2 turbo s cab for SWMBO and have never taken the keys on an early morning run

Thank everyone for your kind wishes - first cold start this morning, sounds brilliantly growly! This is only the second Mezger I've ever driven - first was my friends Mk1 GT3 ClubSport, which sounded like a bag of spanners at idle (in a great way) no doubt due to the light-weight flywheel And yes, Mike came across as very thorough indeed - he was doing the first service early for me and replaced a few things he could probably have skipped given he was selling it - always a good sign

8 years into ownership of my lapis blue 996 turbo and still love it! Don’t think i’ll ever sell

I did 249 miles home to Scotland on Thursday through driving rain and the car was immense sitting at 90ish the whole way I’m over in Argyll now for the week on gods own roads and gradually winding the revs up as I get used to it - the control the car has is shocking compared to my 996 3.4 - front end feels more understeery than I expected but that a because I’ve never owned a 4x4 turbo before so I have to learn to trust it ! But my god this engine .... have both the kids seats back in it, my son loves the power

When I had my (mapped to around 500hp) 996 turbo, I travelled over with a mate in his Audi R8 GT the to the Nurburgring a couple of times. Leading or following, wet or dry, A road or Autobahn, you could barely put a cigarette paper between the two, in the real world. Both immense cars, the old 996 perhaps more so because it was doing it all nearly ten years prior to the R8. It really was the spiritual successor to the 959.

Digga said: When I had my (mapped to around 500hp) 996 turbo, I travelled over with a mate in his Audi R8 GT the to the Nurburgring a couple of times. Leading or following, wet or dry, A road or Autobahn, you could barely put a cigarette paper between the two, in the real world. Both immense cars, the old 996 perhaps more so because it was doing it all nearly ten years prior to the R8. It really was the spiritual successor to the 959. Nice memories ! Was your one an X-50 model ?

neutral 3 said: Digga said: When I had my (mapped to around 500hp) 996 turbo, I travelled over with a mate in his Audi R8 GT the to the Nurburgring a couple of times. Leading or following, wet or dry, A road or Autobahn, you could barely put a cigarette paper between the two, in the real world. Both immense cars, the old 996 perhaps more so because it was doing it all nearly ten years prior to the R8. It really was the spiritual successor to the 959. Nice memories ! Was your one an X-50 model ? Mine is a standard k16 equipped car, non X-50. It made 503hp and 511 ft/lbs of torque on Litchfield's rolling road.The car has a light remap, Kline 200 cell exhaust and an air filter. As Digga has said (many times!), these are monstrously capable cars, effortlessly quick in a straight line, but more than capable of hustling through the bends. They do require a less benign geometry set up than standard, then they can run with most GT3s, even on a track. Old skool enough to appeal to folks like me, yet modern enough to run with the new kids on the block if a little work is done to help the performance and handling. Epic cars.

Guessing that there isnt much that can be done to lighten the 996T ? Also, is the rear aero spoiler lighter than the oe one ?

neutral 3 said: Digga said: When I had my (mapped to around 500hp) 996 turbo, I travelled over with a mate in his Audi R8 GT the to the Nurburgring a couple of times. Leading or following, wet or dry, A road or Autobahn, you could barely put a cigarette paper between the two, in the real world. Both immense cars, the old 996 perhaps more so because it was doing it all nearly ten years prior to the R8. It really was the spiritual successor to the 959. Nice memories ! Was your one an X-50 model ? No standard car mapped. Interestingly, it came to me with stInless exhaust manifolds. When the car was re-mapped it was only done because it was running a dodgy be map (unbeknownst to me - it was sold to me as standard by a dealer in Yorkshire) so to get a Basel e, Wayne put it back to the latest OEM version. It was still around 10-15hp up, which we can only attribute to the exhaust difference. So they do work!

neutral 3 said: Guessing that there isnt much that can be done to lighten the 996T ? Also, is the rear aero spoiler lighter than the oe one ? Stainless exhaust Lighter seats. The nomex buckets look nice. RWD conversion and fit an LSD Carbon bonnet Carbon roof and sunroof removal Take out spare wheel from frunk LiPo battery Centre console delete and remove PCM Rear wiper delete There's a guy who lightened his 996 on 911uk, he really went to town on it, but got loads of weight out. Worth a read, project leightenbrau or something.

So, find your self a nice GT2 and you're done

PTT said: So, find your self a nice GT2 and you're done It is virtually a GT2 conversion isn't it, though didn't some come with a sunroof, if requested.

jimPH said: Stainless exhaust Lighter seats. The nomex buckets look nice. RWD conversion and fit an LSD Carbon bonnet Carbon roof and sunroof removal Take out spare wheel from frunk LiPo battery Centre console delete and remove PCM Rear wiper delete There's a guy who lightened his 996 on 911uk, he really went to town on it, but got loads of weight out. Worth a read, project leightenbrau or something. Agree re lighter seats, although the sports seats are lighter than the std seats. ( One Recarro Pole Position is less than half the weight of an E46 M3s boat anchor seats ) Just bought in a 2005 Clio 182, which had been part prepared as a track day car. Spent a few hours today putting the sound proofing, carpets and the rear seats back in, to make it a bit more cosy for the winter, but omg is this stuff heavy or what !!

nebpor said: I did 249 miles home to Scotland on Thursday through driving rain and the car was immense sitting at 90ish the whole way I’m over in Argyll now for the week on gods own roads and gradually winding the revs up as I get used to it - the control the car has is shocking compared to my 996 3.4 - front end feels more understeery than I expected but that a because I’ve never owned a 4x4 turbo before so I have to learn to trust it ! But my god this engine .... have both the kids seats back in it, my son loves the power Have the geo looked at - my 997tt is more pointy (although it also feels more planted) than my old 997 c2s, and it's just down to setup. When I got the 997tt it was all over the place and that was poor setup as well!

PTT said: So, find your self a nice GT2 and you're done if you have 3x the budget

Well I’ve done 500 miles this week on the best roads Argyll has to offer - in love with the car, I am using full throttle now and the thrust and traction, eg on long uphill bumpy sections is absolutely bonkers. Four up, with the weans in the back It feels safe as houses battering along a bumpy a road at 90 on a cold damp morning. Safest overtaking I’ve ever had as well What a car! It’s also absolutely filthy and seems to look all the better for it ....

Roundm said: Have the geo looked at - my 997tt is more pointy (although it also feels more planted) than my old 997 c2s, and it's just down to setup. When I got the 997tt it was all over the place and that was poor setup as well! Done properly not long ago and I’ve got the printouts - think I was going too fast as it’s been great all week for me! It is something I’ll get done each year though, as I agree it’s vital

I've had the car just shy of a month now and I've done about 1200 miles in it - the learning curve has been wonderful ... from initially being scared of putting my foot down above 4,000rpm to learning how hard I need to prod the throttle to heal and toe properly! I absolutely love it - did 250 miles of horrific motorway today and it feels utterly safe to be sitting in it. The bose stereo upgrade is magnificent. Had to buy blank CDs so I could burn some music - I'll replace the change with a USB thingy at some point but keep the OEM head unit, as it sounds great and looks the part. Love that the windows seal better than my old one, makes it much nicer when driving fast on the motorway and also much easier to demist when the mornings are cold as it's not steaming up as bad. I have a major annoyance that google seems to agree with - the powered clutch. I might ask Mike about sorting that at the next service, if it's not too ruinous - I too have suffered from several inexplicably bad 1/2nd gear changes as you can't feel the biting point, but I think I'm getting there Anyway. Over the moon. Cant stop looking back when I park it and no longer do I look at any other Porsche on the road with envy - I've got a "proper" one now, and it's my daily driver.... Oh, crapped myself today after going for petrol when the computer came up with "Check engine oil!" - I thought it was low before I realised it's just the car nagging you to check Edited by nebpor on Monday 4th November 21:44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipGJVsBq0fU&t=...

Orient Red with quite the spec! https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/pors... https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/porsche/911-9...

Yikes. Lovely exterior, though!

Hoofy said: Yikes. Lovely exterior, though! Beautiful red that Oriental Red - surprised it hasn't made its way into the PTS list.

Hoofy said: Yikes. Lovely exterior, though! I honestly think manufacturers saw the success TVR were having in the 90's and panicked with the wood trim b ks.

Digga said: I honestly think manufacturers saw the success TVR were having in the 90's and panicked with the wood trim b ks. It has always been an option on Porsches, just no one has the bad taste to spec it, apart from Germans etc That is a very expensively optioned tarts boudoir - yuck

Unicorn, only one in PTS Light Green in the world. And with wood interior accents, dreamy huh https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/17065007

KittyLitter said: Unicorn, only one in PTS Light Green in the world. And with wood interior accents, dreamy huh https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/17065007 Nice miles, and condition, but Tip, and terrible colour, so massively overpriced

The colour doesn't work with the shape for some reason. In fact, it almost looks like a wrap. As for the wood, it looks plastic.

Very peculiar. Not in a ‘Radwood’ interesting way, just… odd…

Expensive but horrible spec Tip Low miles so silly price A no from me

Fantastic interior on this one listed today. X50 and Aero Kit. https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/17105514 Edited by KittyLitter on Friday 2nd August 19:50

Mother of god, that’s horrible

Adam. said: Mother of god, that’s horrible LOL! I always used to look on in horror at the wooden interiors and steering wheels, looks ok on a Jag but so out of place on a 911, the requirement to own a sheepskin coat to complete the look was another minus point. Was this confined to the 996? I don’t remember seeing wood on 993’s or later iterations, my 996 had the full carbon pack which I was never sure about.

Adam. said: Mother of god, that’s horrible Brutal Surly only someone colour blind could feel at ease in there.

"The best advice I can offer is to take the car down to Ken at 9e near LGW and have him take a look at it. He’s a turbo specialist. Don’t buy it blind. " Yes all the guys at 9e are superb, they did a PPE before i bought my c4s and i knew exactly what i was getting into. which they have already done 95% of the work neded I do get the manual/tiptronic arguement but for 996's owners they tend to be the ones who cherish the cars and use every other sunday (yes some are daily runners) but it is a good way into 911 ownership. Personally i went for tip as it is for leisurly drives and it is perfect for what we use it for.

Agree with 9e. Have chucked a couple of quid their way over the last 2-3 years. The car park is a bit distracting, though.

Hoofy said: Agree with 9e. Have chucked a couple of quid their way over the last 2-3 years. The car park is a bit distracting, though. 100% if not 9e then Sports & Classic up in Cheshire. Having run a 996 turbo, I can say that whilst they are still one of my favourite cars, they also have two of almost everything that can fail expensively.

KittyLitter said: Fantastic interior on this one listed today. X50 and Aero Kit. https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/17105514 Edited by KittyLitter on Friday 2nd August 19:50 That's been for sale on and off for a couple years

simonsti said: That's been for sale on and off for a couple years shocker! hideous after market alloys as well bet thats on SOR where will you find a second person who likes it?

Adam. said: simonsti said: That's been for sale on and off for a couple years shocker! hideous after market alloys as well bet thats on SOR where will you find a second person who likes it? I admire the seller's optimism.