Do you always have to be right? - Page 2 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

I'm a pretty new member but think I've had enough of seeing (occasionally) bickering and borderline insults, without naming names. They're not aimed at me but even as an occasional visitor with no axe to grind, they're a bit disappointing. They spoil my view of what is usually a fantastic forum with fantastic people saying fantastically helpful things. I don't feel the need to always be right. I don't mind someone disagreeing with me, even on a matter of fact. Let's have good chat and debate, but let's chill. And accept we are sometimes wrong. Thanks.

This is a car themed, ego driven virtual boxing ring, not a year 2, Psychology Degree "workshop" forum. If you can handle that, you will have a whale of a time

OP, your username say it all Joking aside, you'll find that most on here have "barks that are worse than their bite", it's all just friendly banter really. I think .......... But if you want American Rennlist esque forum decorum, you're definitely in the wrong place.

Its usually pretty cheerful, and like any forum, now and then a bit if a brawl breaks out. Still, if you want serious and good info about a car, it is a very useful place.

All very reassuring comments, thanks guys. It is a great forum and although I don't post here much I visit fairly often and pick up useful stuff. Confidence restored. Edited by Mmmme on Sunday 7th December 08:44

Mmmme said: I'm a pretty new member but think I've had enough of seeing (occasionally) bickering and borderline insults, without naming names. They're not aimed at me but even as an occasional visitor with no axe to grind, they're a bit disappointing. They spoil my view of what is usually a fantastic forum with fantastic people saying fantastically helpful things. I don't feel the need to always be right. I don't mind someone disagreeing with me, even on a matter of fact. Let's have good chat and debate, but let's chill. And accept we are sometimes wrong. Thanks. I know exactly where you are coming from there. I think with Forums you always get opinionated members, I always thought that blatchat (Caterham forum)was the worst forum for that , that was until I bought my first Boxster and started to post on the Porsche section of Pistonheads which would be around 4 years ago, I posted a few questions and at that time there was no sub section for Boxster/Cayman and I was gobsmacked at how many pratts posted on there , What also amazed me was although we are like minded petrol heads within the Porsche forum there was interbrand snobbery, Boxster related questions got very little response usually replies like go to boxa.net and it was as though Boxster owners were frowned upon by 911 owners and unbelievably 911 owners were looked down upon from those that owned Gt3"s/turbos and the likes, One example was before I bought my 911 I asked a question about how many mpg I could get doing long runs as I doing a lot of miles at that time, the first reply I got was "if you need to ask you cant afford one" pretty much finished for me and I never bothered. Since buying another Boxster I have only just started reading and replying to the odd post and I Have to say it is better now there is a sub section for Boxster/Cayman the 911 owners don't have to lower themselves to read our posts but like any other forum it still attracts keyboard warriors and as we have no idea who each poster is other than a link to their profile we have no idea what experience they have to back up any replies. Unfortunately a few regular posters can quickly spoil a good forum , I have seem it be the demise of a couple of forums, one of which I was a member of for 10 years and an Area Organiser, after seeing the same people posting the same drivel daily and the same people getting into petty school yard type arguments it quickly goes down hill, even it starts out as just banter it can come across badly especially to new people looking in and human nature if you find someone that you clash with rather than ignore them if you see them posting you cant help reading the crap that they spout just to annoy you even more

Mmmme said: All very reassuring comments, thanks guys. It is a great forum and although I don't post here much I visit fairly often and pick up useful stuff. Confidence restored. Edited by Mmmme on Sunday 7th December 08:44 8 posts 6 months ? Active or what ? You haven't tried very hard to get trolled, have you? Post something we can all take the piss out of.

anonymous said: [redacted] I'm sorry but you are wrong!!!

That reminds me, when are we going to have a pure 996GT section so that i'll be spared from having to wade through all the other ribbish that gets written on here ?

Next thing you know we'll have Cayman owners looking down their noses at Boxster owners, oh the humanity!

You get to learn who the usual suspects are. Stick them on your ignore list.

Who said that ? The forum is too wide a base, so some are right saying goto boxa.net or Rennlist or plannet9 or 911uk or even PCGB. Classic 911. PH is a banter thread with guys buying Macans for there other halfs right to guys only thinking the 996gt3 is the last true drivers car, to old air cooler stuff. So unless you are a yes man and love every thing ever posted there will always be banter. THe issue is when people have an opinion, and other people are stupid enough to either think it's fact or don't have their own and then the abuse starts.

It's all MrDemon's fault. No, it's not. Yes, it is. No, it's not. He's behind you!

Often, the written word is very cold and its not easy to tell whether someone is being serious, having a wind up, or somewhere in between. Theres no intonation on the page or facial expressions! Maybe we should all use the smilies more? Add to that the Porsche 'community' is very diverse from Macan 'status posers' to serious 2.8RSR track drivers. The gearbox debate is a good example, people are coming from different angles with different preferences and requirements. Its hard for a 991 owner doing 20k business miles a year to be on the same page as a classic owner doing track days and Euro hoons! Its just not the same thing. But to be honest, I do like the banter!

mollytherocker said: Often, the written word is very cold and its not easy to tell whether someone is being serious, having a wind up, or somewhere in between. Theres no intonation on the page or facial expressions! Maybe we should all use the smilies more? Add to that the Porsche 'community' is very diverse from Macan 'status posers' to serious 2.8RSR track drivers. The gearbox debate is a good example, people are coming from different angles with different preferences and requirements. Its hard for a 991 owner doing 20k business miles a year to be on the same page as a classic owner doing track days and Euro hoons! Its just not the same thing. But to be honest, I do like the banter! Shut up, Molly. Tosser.

ORD said: mollytherocker said: Often, the written word is very cold and its not easy to tell whether someone is being serious, having a wind up, or somewhere in between. Theres no intonation on the page or facial expressions! Maybe we should all use the smilies more? Add to that the Porsche 'community' is very diverse from Macan 'status posers' to serious 2.8RSR track drivers. The gearbox debate is a good example, people are coming from different angles with different preferences and requirements. Its hard for a 991 owner doing 20k business miles a year to be on the same page as a classic owner doing track days and Euro hoons! Its just not the same thing. But to be honest, I do like the banter! Shut up, Molly. Tosser.

It would be sooooo dull if we all got along on here, I quite enjoy reading the banter and the outspoken characters, every now and again a complete bellend appears with the sole intent of ruffling a few feathers but ultimately the one thing we all share is the love of cars, however, if you're a sensitive wall flower this isn't the place for you Just remember that cmoose and mrdemon constantly confuse their opinion with fact and you won't go far wrong.... eta apart from mrdemons views on GT3's, as I think I'm the only person on here to pretty much agree with them then they must be fact... Edited by kbooker on Sunday 7th December 14:06

I have been on many different forums before PH and I got bored of all the sycophanctic pandering from one person to another, everyone seems to agree with everything others post. PH is a much more honest place (and all the better for it)

ORD said: Shut up, Molly. Tosser. I will shut up if you will go and boil your head, you bishop basher!

JeffC said: now there is a sub section for Boxster/Cayman the 911 owners don't have to lower themselves to read our posts One of the great things about owning a Boxster is that just about everyone looks down on you - while you have the satisfaction of knowing you drive one of the world's best sportscars available at any price! Let's face it, Boxster is almost certainly the world's biggest selling mid-engined sportscar of all time. [Toyota sold about 330,000 MR2s across the 3 generations of production. Porsche built its 300,000th Boxster/Cayman back in 2011.]

kbooker said: It would be sooooo dull if we all got along on here, I quite enjoy reading the banter and the outspoken characters, but ultimately the one thing we all share is the love of cars, however, if you're a sensitive wall flower this isn't the place for you eta apart from mrdemons views on GT3's, as I think I'm the only person on here to pretty much agree with them then they must be fact... PH Newbie in talking complete bo**ocks shocker ! ! DISMISSED ! !

Mmmme said: I'm a pretty new member but think I've had enough of seeing (occasionally) bickering and borderline insults, without naming names. They're not aimed at me but even as an occasional visitor with no axe to grind, they're a bit disappointing. They spoil my view of what is usually a fantastic forum with fantastic people saying fantastically helpful things. I don't feel the need to always be right. I don't mind someone disagreeing with me, even on a matter of fact. Let's have good chat and debate, but let's chill. And accept we are sometimes wrong. Thanks. Personally i think the Porsche forum here is pretty dull thats why i don't often post. Its either the same old tosh of discussing the ins and outs of ims or bore scoring etc when it comes to the older models, or stuff about the value of cars in relation to 'investment', or what stitching or sat nav should i get on my 9XX. Many members seem to spend countless hours arguing fiercely about the most pointlessly subjective things and feel the need to constantly insist they are right where others are wrong. You would think that a Porsche forum would be a 'drivers' forum but unfortunately (generally speaking of course), thats not the case here, lots of pedants and keyboard warriors who you suspect can't drive for toffee. There are far better Porsche message boards out there depending on which models you like.

ORD said: It's all MrDemon's fault. No, it's not. Yes, it is. No, it's not. He's behind you! But in a Cayman R so not for long!!

JeffC said: I know exactly where you are coming from there. I think with Forums you always get opinionated members, I always thought that blatchat (Caterham forum)was the worst forum for that , that was until I bought my first Boxster and started to post on the Porsche section of Pistonheads which would be around 4 years ago, I posted a few questions and at that time there was no sub section for Boxster/Cayman and I was gobsmacked at how many pratts posted on there , What also amazed me was although we are like minded petrol heads within the Porsche forum there was interbrand snobbery, Boxster related questions got very little response usually replies like go to boxa.net and it was as though Boxster owners were frowned upon by 911 owners and unbelievably 911 owners were looked down upon from those that owned Gt3"s/turbos and the likes, One example was before I bought my 911 I asked a question about how many mpg I could get doing long runs as I doing a lot of miles at that time, the first reply I got was "if you need to ask you cant afford one" pretty much finished for me and I never bothered. Since buying another Boxster I have only just started reading and replying to the odd post and I Have to say it is better now there is a sub section for Boxster/Cayman the 911 owners don't have to lower themselves to read our posts but like any other forum it still attracts keyboard warriors and as we have no idea who each poster is other than a link to their profile we have no idea what experience they have to back up any replies. Unfortunately a few regular posters can quickly spoil a good forum , I have seem it be the demise of a couple of forums, one of which I was a member of for 10 years and an Area Organiser, after seeing the same people posting the same drivel daily and the same people getting into petty school yard type arguments it quickly goes down hill, even it starts out as just banter it can come across badly especially to new people looking in and human nature if you find someone that you clash with rather than ignore them if you see them posting you cant help reading the crap that they spout just to annoy you even more You didn't buy a 911, because someone gave you a reply you didn't like on a forum. I'd suggest taking some of your own advise and ignoring them, life's too short. Advise from a current 996 turbo owner (the one with ugly lights, horrible interior, that's no fun)!

Ozzie Osmond said: One of the great things about owning a Boxster is that just about everyone looks down on you - while you have the satisfaction of knowing you drive one of the world's best sportscars available at any price! Let's face it, Boxster is almost certainly the world's biggest selling mid-engined sportscar of all time. [Toyota sold about 330,000 MR2s across the 3 generations of production. Porsche built its 300,000th Boxster/Cayman back in 2011.] It is quite funny how deeply engrained this is. My big brother (not normally an idiot) said, referring to my Cayman S, "It's great. I cant believe people buy the girly Boxster Porsche". I said "It's the same car, just with or without a roof". This pretty much blew his mind - lots of "But, it's girly...", to which I said "It's got the same engine, just tuned down a tiny bit. It really is the same car". He then fell unconscious from shock. I have had that from 10 different people. It is even more common than "I thought your car WAS a 911. What's the difference?" which I am sure would break some hearts on here. (I of course make clear that the 911 is far better because it has a little bit more power, useless back seats, less boot space and the engine in a slightly worse position... ).

isn't it amazing how as soon as an 'outsider' criticizes you lot, you all rally round and tell them that you all love each other really... it's like a proper real-life (dysfunctional) family!

g7jhp said: JeffC said: I know exactly where you are coming from there. I think with Forums you always get opinionated members, I always thought that blatchat (Caterham forum)was the worst forum for that , that was until I bought my first Boxster and started to post on the Porsche section of Pistonheads which would be around 4 years ago, I posted a few questions and at that time there was no sub section for Boxster/Cayman and I was gobsmacked at how many pratts posted on there , What also amazed me was although we are like minded petrol heads within the Porsche forum there was interbrand snobbery, Boxster related questions got very little response usually replies like go to boxa.net and it was as though Boxster owners were frowned upon by 911 owners and unbelievably 911 owners were looked down upon from those that owned Gt3"s/turbos and the likes, One example was before I bought my 911 I asked a question about how many mpg I could get doing long runs as I doing a lot of miles at that time, the first reply I got was "if you need to ask you cant afford one" pretty much finished for me and I never bothered. Since buying another Boxster I have only just started reading and replying to the odd post and I Have to say it is better now there is a sub section for Boxster/Cayman the 911 owners don't have to lower themselves to read our posts but like any other forum it still attracts keyboard warriors and as we have no idea who each poster is other than a link to their profile we have no idea what experience they have to back up any replies. Unfortunately a few regular posters can quickly spoil a good forum , I have seem it be the demise of a couple of forums, one of which I was a member of for 10 years and an Area Organiser, after seeing the same people posting the same drivel daily and the same people getting into petty school yard type arguments it quickly goes down hill, even it starts out as just banter it can come across badly especially to new people looking in and human nature if you find someone that you clash with rather than ignore them if you see them posting you cant help reading the crap that they spout just to annoy you even more You didn't buy a 911, because someone gave you a reply you didn't like on a forum. Err no I bought the car but what I meant is didnt bother returning to the Porsche forum , I defo should not have listened to all the crap I read about the 911 being a better car than the Boxster, I lasted about 4 months with it before I sold it bloody woeful thing !

JeffC said: Err no I bought the car but what I meant is didnt bother returning to the Porsche forum , I defo should not have listened to all the crap I read about the 911 being a better car than the Boxster, I lasted about 4 months with it before I sold it bloody woeful thing ! Not sure if a 997 C2 Cab is the best choice of 911. At least the Boxster was built to be a soft top.

g7jhp said: JeffC said: Err no I bought the car but what I meant is didnt bother returning to the Porsche forum , I defo should not have listened to all the crap I read about the 911 being a better car than the Boxster, I lasted about 4 months with it before I sold it bloody woeful thing ! Not sure if a 997 C2 Cab is the best choice of 911. At least the Boxster was built to be a soft top. yep I agree but although driving the car it was apparent that the lack of roof did it no favours,there was other things I didn't like , it felt much older than the Boxster and numb to drive . Was a shame as I love the looks of the 911 just did not gel with the one I bought.

JeffC said: yep I agree but although driving the car it was apparent that the lack of roof did it no favours,there was other things I didn't like , it felt much older than the Boxster and numb to drive . Was a shame as I love the looks of the 911 just did not gel with the one I bought. I had a slightly opposite experience the other day. Went to test a (current) C2 coupe, just to confirm my (negative) preconceptions (couldn't ignore a dealer invite). Due to a mix up they only had a C4S Cab. Having driven a old C4 before and been most unimpressed I wasn't expecting much, particularly with the roof off. To my surprise I actually rather liked it - not as much as the Cayman fortunately, but enough not to completely dismiss it. I expected it to feel lacking in rigidity and have poor steering feel, corrupted by FWD compared with the Cayman, and maybe on a more testing road that might be the case. But in all honesty neither trait reared its head. Haven't driven a Boxster to compare it with - and I'm sure it can't be worth twice as much (or if it's even as good). Couldn't conceive of spending as much as a GT3 on it though. Another day, another road , another opinion perhaps. How else do you explain one road test rating an M3 over a Cayman one day, and the ECOTY finding the M3 THE disappointment of the group of 10?

Oh dear - the OP is going to get a bit of a kicking for this one... Not just the 'someone stole my lunch mummy' or the 'let's give him a wedgy - wooohaaaayyyy' type but the full blown shoe-in’ type, one he’s going to limp away from and where a little bit of poo comes out! LOL...

g7jhp said: JeffC said: Err no I bought the car but what I meant is didnt bother returning to the Porsche forum , I defo should not have listened to all the crap I read about the 911 being a better car than the Boxster, I lasted about 4 months with it before I sold it bloody woeful thing ! Not sure if a 997 C2 Cab is the best choice of 911. At least the Boxster was built to be a soft top. Apparently the 997 was first designed as cabriolet. This provided a rigid basis to make the coupe even stronger. 997 C2S Cabriolet owner here for 4 years, love it! 5 stars from Evo also - http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/5463... For the first time, development of the cabriolet version of the 997 led the design and engineering effort at Porsche with the coupé following. Porsche applied the logic that if you started with the more difficult cabriolet challenges (for chassis stiffness) the coupé version would simply be more rigid. Despite additional weight, the cabriolet versions attain nearly the same performance figures as their coupé counterparts. Even the rear tail comes up slightly higher on the cabriolets to compensate for differences in drag over the canvas top vs. the smoother coupé shape. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_997 Edited by fastgerman on Tuesday 9th December 16:46

anonymous said: [redacted] Although the rest of the design of the car wasn’t changed that evidently, the 996 and the 997 only shared the same roof panel. http://www.deutschnine.com/porsche-911/porsche-997...

Try heading over to Rennteam where the arguments are so serious that if you get involved you can expect to be hit over the head by a group of girlymen with handbags... It's scary.