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might be the angle, but that centre console looks very wide. Nice to see some real switches/knobs, but looks like some horrible haptic buttons too

They must have a huge todger to blur that much out

Trikster said: might be the angle, but that centre console looks very wide. Nice to see some real switches/knobs, but looks like some horrible haptic buttons too smudges and lint galore with that large centre console.

Well the whole concept is ridiculous but that interior isnt doing it for me

Crudeoink said: Looking at the dash its showing 125km of range with 53% battery. Would appear that it's going to have around 260km (160ish miles) range in the real world. I guess the difficulty with a 'Sporty' EV is you have to sacrifice range to keep the weight sensible. The other thing I suppose is we have no idea how this car has been driven, or if the range calculation is at all accurate. If that’s accurate then this just isn’t gold enough and it’s going to fall flat on its face for anyone who isn’t getting one via a company.

Looking at the dash its showing 125km of range with 53% battery. Would appear that it's going to have around 260km (160ish miles) range in the real world. I guess the difficulty with a 'Sporty' EV is you have to sacrifice range to keep the weight sensible. The other thing I suppose is we have no idea how this car has been driven, or if the range calculation is at all accurate. Edit: above is incorrect, 125km range with 53% remaining would mean an idicated range of 236km or 147 miles. Edited by Crudeoink on Tuesday 19th September 11:02

If that range is accurate, I can’t see it being much use for a road trip to the Alps and some spirited alpine driving.

CheesecakeRunner said: I wouldn’t read anything into that. The photos could have been taken after it’s just been thrashed round a track on test. Porsche aren’t stupid. They know what sort of range this car needs to have to sell. Porsche can only do sooo much with current battery technology. I’m not sure I would expect miracles given the poor range of the Taycan which is what 2.4 tonnes and bloody large and inefficient. Porsche are going to have to take a balance between range, performance and it being a heavy barge that doesn’t handle like it should. It will be interesting to see if extra battery capacity is offered as an upgrade…. And what that does to storage availability. I’m sure it will be best in class. But then again, is anyone else making an EV in this class….?

CheesecakeRunner said: Crudeoink said: Looking at the dash its showing 125km of range with 53% battery. Would appear that it's going to have around 260km (160ish miles) range in the real world. I wouldn’t read anything into that. The photos could have been taken after it’s just been thrashed round a track on test. Porsche aren’t stupid. They know what sort of range this car needs to have to sell. My GT4 RS at Spa put the please refuel me light on after one stint of 10 laps from a full tank. It was showing half full on the fuel gauge and “remaining range 55 miles” on the display. So yes very much depends on how it’s been driven.

First impressions are that it looks a mess... I prefer the clean uncluttered 987/997 style interiors...

Maybe now the ICE kill date has moved from 2030 to 2035 they won't be in such a hurry to get it out there?

981Boxess said: Maybe now the ICE kill date has moved from 2030 to 2035 they won't be in such a hurry to get it out there? Electric range is so dependent on conditions and how they are driven , I wouldn’t read too much into the range in the photos . 300 odd miles is achievable in must electric vehicles nowadays. Porsche are not daft they are not going to produce something that only does 160 miles. But as the poster said above , looks like the UK government is going to mirror the eurozone in extending the ban date for petrol vehicles until 2035. Not wanting to get into a political debate, but the only thing you can rely on is governments changing their minds and their policies when it suits them or they realise it’s totally unrealistic. You got to feel sorry for manufacturers investing multi millions in new technologies that are going to fall by the wayside or be out of date with technology advances when deadlines move by 5 years.

have they kept the % of EV to ICE cars in place though as these were kicking in next year or has everything effectively been delayed by 5 years?

I think that everybody would like to see a successful sports car option with an electric drive train. Put simply, a litre of petrol contains a little under 10 kWh of energy and it's not hard to get 4 miles per kWh from an electric car battery ... equating to 40 miles per litre or around 180 mpg equivalent. Saving the earth is surely as much about not wasting energy and materials as it is about the type of damage that is compatible with a fruitful existence and I was very pleased to read that 70% of the materials value of a new LiIon battery can now be recovered at its ultimate end of life ... after it has been co-opted from a car to use as a power bank etc etc. It's not hard to upscale and in the process probably improve on this. Other battery technologies are coming. Time and motivation help. Although the date of 2030 has just been pushed back to 2035 I do recall this originally being 2035 which Bojo brought forwards to 2030 on a whim. It looked far better than just matching Europe didn't it ? The 2030 deadline did focus minds but it also ridiculed the target ... as we are even now looking at the implications of the 20% electric car sales content for 2024 or face penalties, and the advantage handed to the Chinese car manufacturers who due to their one state system has subsidised many thousands of new electric cars just sitting in fields which could be heading our way to be sold at as high a price as necessary down to under £20k ! Hence the moves we see, flexing of dates, closer relations with Europe, etc etc. Welcome to the real World ... My 2p ... bring it on. I just like tactile mechanical switches for the important controls that are managed by intuitive feel rather than diverting driver focus to a screen which for various reasons doesn't succeed in doing what you want !! Evidence VW id3 etc etc.

ClubsportStr said: You got to feel sorry for manufacturers investing multi millions in new technologies that are going to fall by the wayside or be out of date with technology advances when deadlines move by 5 years. Not really, I feel sorry for the consumers because they will be paying for the wasted R&D not the manufacturers, they will be making money one way or another.

ChrisW. said: I think that everybody would like to see a successful sports car option with an electric drive train. Wrong - I know loads of people who have zero interest in EV sports cars full stop.

Porsche would have been better going plug in hybrid on the Boxster surely? Clean energy for around town below 20mph and revert to efficient petrol/electric hybrid on the open road. I think I’d rather here a 4 or even 3 cylinder Porsche than an electric whirring noise…. Packaging on such a small car would have been an issue though, granted.

Thought of the day….. They need to change the car’s name. Boxster will no longer fit. It will have to be ‘Elexster’……

981Boxess said: ChrisW. said: I think that everybody would like to see a successful sports car option with an electric drive train. Wrong - I know loads of people who have zero interest in EV sports cars full stop. Define successful ... we can agree to differ ... I have children and grandchildren and want the best for them.

ChrisW. said: Define successful ... we can agree to differ ... I have children and grandchildren and want the best for them. And you genuinely think an EV is better for the environment the future of your children? If you do, you really need to read up on how bad they really are as you've been sold a lie.

I'm not going to contribute much to the EV debate and the pro's cons of it vs fossil fuels etc... But I listened to a piece on Radio 4 yesterday about the technologies afforded to us from .... sand. During the 'story of sand' the presenter informed us that last year, the quantity of solid physical resources excavated from the planet (not oil) equalled the amount that had been excavated from the planet from the dawn of man to 1950...... anyone thinking that EVs and Lithium etc are a non-harmful alternative to fossil....or even just 'the answer' need to understand the complexity of the discussion....because those levels of excavation do not come for free. also, that EV 718 interior looks nasty IMO....willing to be convinced by the final result, as opposed to these pre-production shots, but the direction of travel does not appeal to me in the slightest.

DMC2 said: ChrisW. said: Define successful ... we can agree to differ ... I have children and grandchildren and want the best for them. And you genuinely think an EV is better for the environment the future of your children? If you do, you really need to read up on how bad they really are as you've been sold a lie. This is no different to Brexit people believed/voted based only on which shyster was more convincing, the truth was somewhere in between and not just a simple in/out.

Looks like they're following the 911 interior, not a huge fan but at least there are some physical buttons. Though the amount of capacitive ones is annoying, thought manufacturers had started to see the light. Porsche would have been planning this change for a number of years, too late to change now I would expect, regardless of what the UK decides to do. Agree with the other shouts, surely a hybrid would have been the better option? They maintain "some" appeal to ICE fan while also offering, environmental and tax benefits.

ChrisW. said: I think that everybody would like to see a successful sports car option with an electric drive train. Put simply, a litre of petrol contains a little under 10 kWh of energy and it's not hard to get 4 miles per kWh from an electric car battery ... equating to 40 miles per litre or around 180 mpg equivalent. Saving the earth is surely as much about not wasting energy and materials as it is about the type of damage that is compatible with a fruitful existence and I was very pleased to read that 70% of the materials value of a new LiIon battery can now be recovered at its ultimate end of life ... after it has been co-opted from a car to use as a power bank etc etc. It's not hard to upscale and in the process probably improve on this. Other battery technologies are coming. Time and motivation help. Although the date of 2030 has just been pushed back to 2035 I do recall this originally being 2035 which Bojo brought forwards to 2030 on a whim. It looked far better than just matching Europe didn't it ? The 2030 deadline did focus minds but it also ridiculed the target ... as we are even now looking at the implications of the 20% electric car sales content for 2024 or face penalties, and the advantage handed to the Chinese car manufacturers who due to their one state system has subsidised many thousands of new electric cars just sitting in fields which could be heading our way to be sold at as high a price as necessary down to under £20k ! Hence the moves we see, flexing of dates, closer relations with Europe, etc etc. Welcome to the real World ... My 2p ... bring it on. I just like tactile mechanical switches for the important controls that are managed by intuitive feel rather than diverting driver focus to a screen which for various reasons doesn't succeed in doing what you want !! Evidence VW id3 etc etc. Everyone?! I doubt that. As for Miracle Batteries, always next year TX.

As proven above Global warming will be dealt with in one way or another ... and CO2 appears to be an important part of the problem. From those that disagree, I see very little to substantiate their view, which I find disappointing. The World is, after all, flat !

ChrisW. said: 981Boxess said: ChrisW. said: I think that everybody would like to see a successful sports car option with an electric drive train. Wrong - I know loads of people who have zero interest in EV sports cars full stop. Define successful ... we can agree to differ ... I have children and grandchildren and want the best for them. Well Im with 981Boxess electric sportscars pointless , with regard to children/grandchildren trying to recall when I was asked if you should have them ?

Anyone who thinks EVs are the future for the majority of the British public need to have a serious word with themselves. Its purely a city car for those that have their own charging point before we get into the debate it not being the greener option to 100k miles Finally the govt has started just started the inevitable U turn by trying to defer it

ChrisW. said: As proven above Global warming will be dealt with in one way or another ... and CO2 appears to be an important part of the problem. From those that disagree, I see very little to substantiate their view, which I find disappointing. The World is, after all, flat ! Pity that you didn't know about CO2 and Global Warming before having your children.

BAMoFo said: ChrisW. said: As proven above Global warming will be dealt with in one way or another ... and CO2 appears to be an important part of the problem. From those that disagree, I see very little to substantiate their view, which I find disappointing. The World is, after all, flat ! Pity that you didn't know about CO2 and Global Warming before having your children. The benefit of hindsight ... but thankfully I was not so cynical.

ChrisW. said: As proven above Global warming will be dealt with in one way or another ... and CO2 appears to be an important part of the problem. From those that disagree, I see very little to substantiate their view, which I find disappointing. The World is, after all, flat ! Seriously, you need to educate yourself on just how bad EVs are. Especially with regards the CO2 used in production. An EV sports car (that will always do low miles) is MUCH worse for the environment that a petrol car that does above average miles.

That interior though...

ChrisW. said: As proven above Global warming will be dealt with in one way or another ... and CO2 appears to be an important part of the problem. From those that disagree, I see very little to substantiate their view, which I find disappointing. The World is, after all, flat ! global warming is rubbish. another hoax like fake covid and the upcoming covid 2. plenty of data to support heating and cooling cycles of the planet if you can be bothered to look into. show me a non cgi picture of a round earth or flat earth for that matter If you really want to go down the rabbit hole check out Richard E. Byrd interviews.

sure it will be a good car if taycan is anything to go by. interior looks awful though

DMC2 said: Seriously, you need to educate yourself on just how bad EVs are. Especially with regards the CO2 used in production. An EV sports car (that will always do low miles) is MUCH worse for the environment that a petrol car that does above average miles. This. The break-even point for CO2 emissions on electric vs ICE is usually over 100k miles, and that's assuming a green-ish energy mix for the grid. For low mileage cars, and for a lot of the world, the break-even point is going to be... "never"! https://decarbonism.wordpress.com/2020/09/04/the-e...

Accepted that much of the tooling for traditional cars was amortised years ago and incremental costs are now minimal / set against all the new technology and tooling that has yet to be amortised for electric cars / and accepted that until the batteries were recyclable I might have agreed with you / it cannot hurt to consume less and do what we can to minimise global warming. Some of the comments on here are verging on rude ... let's say lacking thoughtfulness ? Volvo / Kia etc have done a lot of work to prove the current breakeven points on electric vs fossil fuelled cars --- both having their roots in conventional cars, batteries will need to have second and third lives to recycling, cars cannot be scrapped when their first battery is done ... this must be built-in to the platform. So let's see some well argued science rather than cheap shots ? Edited by ChrisW. on Wednesday 20th September 21:49

ChrisW. said: Accepted that much of the tooling for traditional cars was amortised years ago and incremental costs are now minimal / set against all the new technology and tooling that has yet to be amortised for electric cars / and accepted that until the batteries were recyclable I might have agreed with you / it cannot hurt to consume less and do what we can to minimise global warming. Some of the comments on here are verging on rude ... let's say lacking thoughtfulness ? Volvo / Kia etc have done a lot of work to prove the current breakeven points on electric vs fossil fuelled cars --- both having their roots in conventional cars, batteries will need to have second and third lives to recycling, cars cannot be scrapped when their first battery is done ... this must be built-in to the platform. So let's see some well argued science rather than cheap shots ? Edited by ChrisW. on Wednesday 20th September 21:49 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sytWLB4-W-M i think this video does a very good job of showing that ev cars arent about saving the world

ChrisW. said: ..........it cannot hurt to consume less and do what we can to minimise global warming. Fair enough. There are so many opinions on this subject and ultimately none of us know which is right, when there is so much money involved the truth becomes a little blurred. So based on the fact I don't know any more/less than anyone else that can read I try to stick to the basics. The UK is supposedly responsible for less than 1% of the problem, that figure is pretty much agreed on by all sides. Common sense would suggest that if we stopped all of that less than 1% tomorrow that leaves over 99% we cannot do anything about. So whilst I agree that people bailing out the Titanic with buckets of water would not have done any harm it would not have made much of a difference either and certainly not changed the outcome. With any area in the life, F1, sports etc it is always the last improvement to time/speed that hurts and costs the most. We have reached the point of diminished return now and what we are trying to do now is not cost effective. Now that might well be ok for people who spend a lot of their time debating which Porsche to buy next but there are normal good people out there that are feeling proper pain now. EVs are expensive to buy/run/dispose of and not going to solve this problem anyway, there is plenty of evidence out there to prove that already. The problem is they have gone so far down the road with this that rather than go back they will just do it anyway for all sorts of reasons that are far more important to them than actually doing what is right. Unlike the diesel error EVs are too different to just chuck an ICE in when they realise they have got it wrong. If you rightly want to have concerns about your kids future then educate them to stop buying endless crap they don't need as most people do today, the latest phone, games consoles, other tech etc etc and everything else that hails from China. Tell parents to walk to school instead of driving Tarquin up there in a Range Rover just because they can afford it. Tell them to put jumpers on instead of reaching for their made in China mobile app to put the heating up. We have reached the point today where people are having coffee delivered by moped with the rider trying not to trip over the EV charge cable in the driveway - think about it. Basically tell them to make a real effort, rather than one that they are only happy to do if they don't have to change the way they live. The current government move is the last thing they can try to stay in at the next election, not one politician currently on the gravy train cares about climate change, all they care about is not being flung off at the next station.

981Boxess said: ChrisW. said: ..........it cannot hurt to consume less and do what we can to minimise global warming. Fair enough. There are so many opinions on this subject and ultimately none of us know which is right, when there is so much money involved the truth becomes a little blurred. So based on the fact I don't know any more/less than anyone else that can read I try to stick to the basics. The UK is supposedly responsible for less than 1% of the problem, that figure is pretty much agreed on by all sides. Common sense would suggest that if we stopped all of that less than 1% tomorrow that leaves over 99% we cannot do anything about. So whilst I agree that people bailing out the Titanic with buckets of water would not have done any harm it would not have made much of a difference either and certainly not changed the outcome. With any area in the life, F1, sports etc it is always the last improvement to time/speed that hurts and costs the most. We have reached the point of diminished return now and what we are trying to do now is not cost effective. Now that might well be ok for people who spend a lot of their time debating which Porsche to buy next but there are normal good people out there that are feeling proper pain now. EVs are expensive to buy/run/dispose of and not going to solve this problem anyway, there is plenty of evidence out there to prove that already. The problem is they have gone so far down the road with this that rather than go back they will just do it anyway for all sorts of reasons that are far more important to them than actually doing what is right. Unlike the diesel error EVs are too different to just chuck an ICE in when they realise they have got it wrong. If you rightly want to have concerns about your kids future then educate them to stop buying endless crap they don't need as most people do today, the latest phone, games consoles, other tech etc etc and everything else that hails from China. Tell parents to walk to school instead of driving Tarquin up there in a Range Rover just because they can afford it. Tell them to put jumpers on instead of reaching for their made in China mobile app to put the heating up. We have reached the point today where people are having coffee delivered by moped with the rider trying not to trip over the EV charge cable in the driveway - think about it. Basically tell them to make a real effort, rather than one that they are only happy to do if they don't have to change the way they live. The current government move is the last thing they can try to stay in at the next election, not one politician currently on the gravy train cares about climate change, all they care about is not being flung off at the next station. You have just expanded on what I said ... except that I think that we can also do this with electric cars which will improve along with the charging and power distribution networks, now over a longer period of time ... thank goodness. For example, banning new fit oil boilers in a little over a year made no sense when current heat pumps / electricity supply to old homes / simply could not heat them. The answer as you say is to do what you can and turn the thermostat down / zone heat etc. To your point on the 1%, if everybody said that ? And it makes no sense for us to consume more than we need to. What we don't need to try to do is show off by saying and paying to do more than we can afford.

Sidsw said: ChrisW. said: Accepted that much of the tooling for traditional cars was amortised years ago and incremental costs are now minimal / set against all the new technology and tooling that has yet to be amortised for electric cars / and accepted that until the batteries were recyclable I might have agreed with you / it cannot hurt to consume less and do what we can to minimise global warming. Some of the comments on here are verging on rude ... let's say lacking thoughtfulness ? Volvo / Kia etc have done a lot of work to prove the current breakeven points on electric vs fossil fuelled cars --- both having their roots in conventional cars, batteries will need to have second and third lives to recycling, cars cannot be scrapped when their first battery is done ... this must be built-in to the platform. So let's see some well argued science rather than cheap shots ? Edited by ChrisW. on Wednesday 20th September 21:49 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sytWLB4-W-M i think this video does a very good job of showing that ev cars arent about saving the world And I agree with you. At the time it was made it is stated that current car batteries are not recyclable .... it appears that this has changed and processes are building to recover nett 70% of the materials value of these. Consumption in all matters was at the centre of this very good youtube video, which brings me back to my starting point. There is over 9 kWh of energy in one litre of petrol or diesel. An electric car can comfortably do 4 miles per kWh. That is 36+ miles per litre. Even the most efficient diesel engines are doing around a third of this .... Technology will improve, this takes time and with this prices are falling, but consuming less of everything is the real answer.

ChrisW. said: ... except that I think that we can also do this with electric cars The majority of people don't and that number is growing. For long journeys, forgetting the inconvenience of charging it costs considerably more to travel with an EV compared to an equivalent petrol/diesel. Someone like my neighbour who has a his and hers Tesla isn't going to have a problem going along with this because the cost doesn't matter to him, but for the vast majority of people that isn't the case and it does.

ChrisW. said: And I agree with you. At the time it was made it is stated that current car batteries are not recyclable .... it appears that this has changed and processes are building to recover nett 70% of the materials value of these. Consumption in all matters was at the centre of this very good youtube video, which brings me back to my starting point. There is over 9 kWh of energy in one litre of petrol or diesel. An electric car can comfortably do 4 miles per kWh. That is 36+ miles per litre. Even the most efficient diesel engines are doing around a third of this .... Technology will improve, this takes time and with this prices are falling, but consuming less of everything is the real answer. I think you are overly optimistic. 4 miles per kWh is totally unrealistic and not achievable unless you are driving at very slow speeds, having driven the Porsche Taycan on several extended (multi day) drives that car would struggle to reach 3 miles per kWh. In my experience the current fleet of EVs will never achieve anything close to 4 miles per kWh and in the colder months it just gets even worse. The best I ever achieved with a Taycan was 2.5 mile per kWh.

The Taycan is a lardy thing and if Porsche are clever they will improve on this. The experience of my humble Kia e-Niro and the i3 beforehand is that I am averaging 4.4 miles per kWh in mixed driving. Yes I drive to be economical ... I can also drive to be less economical ... but that's where I am over the last 50,000 miles. For many of the very short journeys ... 6 miles round trip to the nearest shops ... the engine of my petrol car would be barely warmed at the end ... and very inefficient. In winter, heating the car to toasty is "expensive" and to be fair, I set 19C as my target figure.

ChrisW. said: The Taycan is a lardy thing and if Porsche are clever they will improve on this. The experience of my humble Kia e-Niro and the i3 beforehand is that I am averaging 4.4 miles per kWh in mixed driving. Yes I drive to be economical ... I can also drive to be less economical ... but that's where I am over the last 50,000 miles. For many of the very short journeys ... 6 miles round trip to the nearest shops ... the engine of my petrol car would be barely warmed at the end ... and very inefficient. In winter, heating the car to toasty is "expensive" and to be fair, I set 19C as my target figure. Well I drive a BGTS 4.0 and I dont drive it economically because if that was my list of important things I wouldn't have bought that car , in an ICE thats not a problem 5 minutes to refuel , in an EV it takes forever and driven in my style you will be doing it a lot so back to my original point EV sportscars pointless Also having to sit in your car and shiver how's that a step forward ? dont say wear more layers I dont want to

Is it really freezing outside today ? Your choice.

Aside from the EV/ICE debate in terms of sustainability... Sportscars. They're literally 100% emotive purchases. Emotion through design, feel, sound Not practicality or range. EVs for me can ace the design bit, but they fail miserably in terms of feel (because weight) and sound (because almost none). I know the Rimac has engaged some reviewers and thats nice, but not overall accessible....no for me ICE still dominate the weight and sound issue and hold their own on design...

ChrisW. said: Is it really freezing outside today ? Your choice. LOL you know full well I meant in winter as per your statement. simply because its more comfortable to drive with heating set to 28 deg in shirt sleeves than to turn it down and wear 20 coats. You environmental types think you need to do stuff and thats fine but I find the passive/aggressive tone of 'Because I am you must' unacceptable , to be fair you least at have been polite which isnt always the case on here

Doesn't matter what the inside looks like no one in their right mind will buy a EV sports car to have fun on the weekend It will be far too heavy and totally soul less. EVs have a place but purely as a run around city car. The sooner the govt realise this and do a complete U turn rather than just defer it the better

IroningMan said: Charlie_1 said: LOL you know full well I meant in winter as per your statement. simply because its more comfortable to drive with heating set to 28 deg in shirt sleeves than to turn it down and wear 20 coats. You environmental types think you need to do stuff and thats fine but I find the passive/aggressive tone of 'Because I am you must' unacceptable , to be fair you least at have been polite which isnt always the case on here Given the rudeness directed at Chris_W in this thread that's somewhat ironic. 'Environmental types', as you put it, don't generally drive Porsches. Or at all. Does he , he mentioned some sort of Kia , Dont they ? I have been told many times on here by people that with with every turn of its wheels their EV is saving the world

Charlie_1 said: Does he , he mentioned some sort of Kia , Dont they ? I have been told many times on here by people that with with every turn of its wheels their EV is saving the world If you say so. Mostly on PH I encounter EV drivers who are happy with the performance but sometimes irritated by the pros and cons of public charging. I don’t see anyone claiming to save the world. The few environmentalists I know argue the opposite - they think EVs are about saving the car industry, not the planet, and that to solve congestion we should walk, cycle or use public transport more often, whilst to save the planet we should abandon private cars of any kind altogether. The same kinds of arguments, attitudes and entrenched viewpoints were trotted out over the end of leaded fuel twenty years ago. It’s all immaterial, in any case: transition to EVs is going to happen - and pretty quickly.

Charlie_1 said: LOL you know full well I meant in winter as per your statement. simply because it’s more comfortable to drive with heating set to 28 deg in shirt sleeves than to turn it down and wear 20 coats. You environmental types think you need to do stuff and thats fine but I find the passive/aggressive tone of 'Because I am you must' unacceptable , to be fair you least at have been polite which isnt always the case on here Given the rudeness directed at ChrisW in this thread that's somewhat ironic. 'Environmental types', as you put it, don't generally drive Porsches. Or at all. Edited by IroningMan on Friday 22 September 20:23

IroningMan said: It’s all immaterial, in any case: transition to EVs is going to happen - and pretty quickly. Regardless of if it makes any sense or not.

ChrisW. said: As proven above Global warming will be dealt with in one way or another ... and CO2 appears to be an important part of the problem. From those that disagree, I see very little to substantiate their view, which I find disappointing. The World is, after all, flat ! I agree we have to try but whilst the USA, China and Russia producing more Co2 than the rest of the world combined with no intention of stopping does feel ike pi@@ing in the wind.

But we have to create the products that will make it possible and easy to change behaviour ... The rest of the World are listening and at this rate will not have a choice ... the problems will come to their own back yard. Herewith a picture of one of my cars driven by myself, 30 years old and lovingly fettled to show what could be done 30 years ago ... in another 30 years time. Or this one ... now extensively modified since Porsche refused to sell me their evolution of the 981GT4 ... hence I did it myself. Edited by ChrisW. on Saturday 23 September 09:12 Edited by ChrisW. on Saturday 23 September 09:13

IroningMan said: The same kinds of arguments, attitudes and entrenched viewpoints were trotted out over the end of leaded fuel twenty years ago. It’s all immaterial, in any case: transition to EVs is going to happen - and pretty quickly. I don't remember that at all and in terms of speed it's going to take a long time to fully transition (30 years in terms of what is actually being driven on the roads rather than what you can actually buy) and there will be benefits noise pollution being the stand out one and the air will be a bit cleaner in busy towns and cities. I was thinking the Boxster EV will be the perfect sportscar for Wales and its 20 mph speed limit that'll extend the range somewhat.

I saw a number of Boxster/Spyder clubs running through the alps this summer when we passed through in June. I can’t help but wonder if we will see clubs of EV Boxsters making such runs down to the alps from the U.K. can you imagine 10 EV Boxsters in a group trying to get a charge to continue their summer time fun trip? A lot of queueing at the few charge points. A friend with his new EV came to stay a few days ago. He ‘borrowed’ some charge overnight from a three pin plug but it only gave him about 40 miles of extra range. But he had it all planned, breakfast in camberly whilst his car sucks in charge at a 50kw charger in a Lidl car park….. Except when he got there, it was knackered, despite his app saying it was working. He was fortunate that he had just enough juice left to get to his destination. Without my ‘stolen’ electric (he did offer to pay lol) he would have been in trouble.

Yes this is still a problem ... becoming less so ? The ideal is to charge at home and use the vehicle for ranges less than the available daily battery capacity. From this starting point confidence can build to travel further always leaving a reasonable amount of charge in reserve for the unexpected. As for an electric do-it-all vehicle, there are very few conventional do-it-all vehicles .... though in terms of range and refuelling, hydrocarbon currently does it better. I wonder how many petrol stations there were 100 years ago ? It appears that the power distribution network in the UK is as much a limiting factor as any ... and then the significant proportion of gas/oil electricity generation ... it's clearly a work in progress, but at the very least it will improve air quality in our cities.

ChrisW. said: Yes this is still a problem ... becoming less so ? The ideal is to charge at home and use the vehicle for ranges less than the available daily battery capacity. From this starting point confidence can build to travel further always leaving a reasonable amount of charge in reserve for the unexpected. As for an electric do-it-all vehicle, there are very few conventional do-it-all vehicles .... though in terms of range and refuelling, hydrocarbon currently does it better. I wonder how many petrol stations there were 100 years ago ? It appears that the power distribution network in the UK is as much a limiting factor as any ... and then the significant proportion of gas/oil electricity generation ... it's clearly a work in progress, but at the very least it will improve air quality in our cities. Your last paragraph sums it up, especially existing underground cables, which will take decades to change/improve. Some people in the motor trade think a big crunch point will be when there are approx 2 M pure EVs on the road, which is about twice that today. Please do not forget that all EVs in China are presently coal powered! As others have said if we reach net zero next week it will make not a jot of difference to World emissions as 1% is a mere rounding error.

An EV Boxster and Cayman what ridiculous concept, a car maker famed for its flat 6 engines to produce a glorified milk float with a Porsche badge stuck on it, you know I couldn't care less if it did 300 miles on a charge and 0-60 in 1.5sec. Go and watch Harrys Garage and listen to the sound of that lovely engine in his Jag and tell me you'd still rather have an EV car.

ChrisW. said: The ideal is to charge at home and use the vehicle for ranges less than the available daily battery capacity. From this starting point confidence can build to travel further always leaving a reasonable amount of charge in reserve for the unexpected. No, the ideal is what we already have. EVs are currently being sold next to ICEs, so the manufacturers are obviously capable of producing both side by side and still make money. If EVs are that great a mode of transport why would the government need to ban the sale of ICEs in 2030/2035/ever? People would buy EVs by choice, ICEs would stop selling and manufacturers would stop making them. But we all know that won’t happen because the majority of people don’t want them for all sorts of perfectly valid and practical reasons. EVs have their place, city cars, taking the kids to school, taking the dog to the vet, shopping - short journeys. ICE Hybrids will always do a better job of providing practical transport for anyone who only has one car, regardless of if we will be eventually forced to stop driving them or not.

Nice to see that Porsche still design a dashboard and integrate the screens. Most manufacturers seem to stick a cheap tablet onto a plastic counter top, whether they’re EV or ICE. Will it be the first mainstream 2 seat EV sports car out to market? It’ll definitely be an absolute weapon as a point to point sports car. I’m happy to keep an open mind on the fun side of things, but the price may be the biggest hindrance.

From what I have read fleets are still buying EV’s as some end up as company cars and the BIK calculation make them really cheap and zero risk. If that tax benefit goes (and those who buy through a business) we’d see the true appetite.

Grantstown said: Nice to see that Porsche still design a dashboard and integrate the screens. Most manufacturers seem to stick a cheap tablet onto a plastic counter top, whether they’re EV or ICE. Will it be the first mainstream 2 seat EV sports car out to market? It’ll definitely be an absolute weapon as a point to point sports car. I’m happy to keep an open mind on the fun side of things, but the price may be the biggest hindrance. Will it / only if its a short point to point , this was my original point if EV's are used in 'anger' they get through their power source very quickly , granted ICE ones do to but not as quickly as EVs which are then quite hard to refill , so I still say an EV sportscar is a remarkably silly idea

I certainly wouldn't plan to take one on track. But I also wouldn't be too concerned if it wasn't a rocket ship. There was a lot of fun to be had with the 987 Spyder ....

ChrisW. said: I certainly wouldn't plan to take one on track. But I also wouldn't be too concerned if it wasn't a rocket ship. There was a lot of fun to be had with the 987 Spyder .... Surely Porsche ethos is a new model needs go out perform the previous model?

Snap up 986, 987, 981 before they sky rocket (hopefully).

Grantstown said: Will it be the first mainstream 2 seat EV sports car out to market? Tesla roadster was on sale in 2008, depends what you consider mainstream though as they didn't sell many - Only 2,450 according to wikipedia. Dunc.

dunc_sx said: Tesla roadster was on sale in 2008, depends what you consider mainstream though as they didn't sell many - Only 2,450 according to wikipedia. Dunc. Oh yes, I remember Harvey Spectre (in Suits) requesting one from his car club. 2450 is pretty rare. I think I’m looking forward to experiencing the rear drive EV Cayman. Hopefully the nanny aids can be dialled down a bit.

Grantstown said: Will it be the first mainstream 2 seat EV sports car out to market? It’ll definitely be an absolute weapon as a point to point sports car. I’m happy to keep an open mind on the fun side of things, but the price may be the biggest hindrance. I suspect MG might beat Porsche to it.... ! Also I believe Honda are revealing a new EV sportscar very soon but I'm not sure if it's a concept or production model. Does anyone know when the order books open for the EvSter? It'll be very interesting to see how the market responds, I for one have absolutely zero interest whatsoever in them on the basis that I like to do long distance driving in Europe and couldn't be bothered with range anxiety or the general faff of plannign routes around charging points.

Whatever range, whatever styling, whatever interior…. I know I will never be a customer for this car. This type of car will have zero appeal for me in electric form.

Llew said: I for one have absolutely zero interest whatsoever in them on the basis that I like to do long distance driving in Europe and couldn't be bothered with range anxiety or the general faff of plannign routes around charging points. Same here - in my world sportscars are all about fun driving and being able to travel wherever you want however you want, an EV would be of no use to me.

It's the actual physics of driving a light(ish) vehicle compared to computing power making you t hink it's handling well. and it's lack of any meaningful noise. It'll be fascinating to see how the MG thing is received too... All they have ...to my eyes, so far.... is the 'look', because the core characteristics are missing.

For those who want a fun car to pop out for a few hours with friends ... the kind of thing that local clubs or groups do on a day or an evening, I think this could be great. I agree with current technology that it is not going to be a do-it-all car, but since range and charging is the main concern, there was a time when there were very few petrol stations and what developed the market for them ? Answer, buying cars ! How lucky we are to live in these times ... of which we are only custodians. This is a means to an end ... doing more with less.

ChrisW. said: How lucky we are to live in these times ... of which we are only custodians. Just to go down in history as the generation that messed up by following people who missed the obvious, we already had the right answer.

981Boxess said: Just to go down in history as the generation that messed up by following people who missed the obvious, we already had the right answer. I'm not being contrary but what is the right answer?

Llew said: 981Boxess said: Just to go down in history as the generation that messed up by following people who missed the obvious, we already had the right answer. I'm not being contrary but what is the right answer? Evs for town cars, Hybrids for anything else. EVs are currently being sold next to ICEs, so the manufacturers are obviously capable of producing both side by side and still make money. If EVs are that great a mode of transport why would the government need to ban the sale of ICEs in 2030/2035/ever? People would buy EVs by choice, ICEs would stop selling and manufacturers would stop making them. But we all know that won’t happen because the majority of people don’t want them for all sorts of perfectly valid and practical reasons.

ChrisW. said: For those who want a fun car to pop out for a few hours with friends ... the kind of thing that local clubs or groups do on a day or an evening, I think this could be great. I agree with current technology that it is not going to be a do-it-all car, but since range and charging is the main concern, there was a time when there were very few petrol stations and what developed the market for them ? Answer, buying cars ! How lucky we are to live in these times ... of which we are only custodians. This is a means to an end ... doing more with less. Lol. Try doing the North Coast 500 in an electric car. The difference is that you can deliver petrol to a garage in the middle of nowhere. You can't magic electricity to remote locations.

Two weeks ago I did am early Sunday morning blast over three mountain passes. That was a total of 250-300 km with some properly spirited driving on the mountain roads. Looking at the range for "normal driving" mentioned in earlier posts, this trip would have already required a lengthy recharge stop. IMO this disqualifies the E-Boxster already as a weekend toy, begging the question what it's really designed for...

ChrisW. said: For those who want a fun car to pop out for a few hours with friends ... the kind of thing that local clubs or groups do on a day or an evening, I think this could be great. I agree with current technology that it is not going to be a do-it-all car, but since range and charging is the main concern, there was a time when there were very few petrol stations and what developed the market for them ? Answer, buying cars ! How lucky we are to live in these times ... of which we are only custodians. This is a means to an end ... doing more with less. Im going to try and not be aggressive today but where does leave me , I do use my Boxster as a do it all car and I wont have a replacement and whilst I agree that EV's becoming more common will help I rather suspect that will be (quite) a while So im being offered an 'inferior' product and im supposed think thats a a good thing ? Edited by Charlie_1 on Friday 29th September 12:36

Charlie_1 said: Im going to try and not be aggressive today but where does leave me , I do use my Boxster as a do it all car and I wont have a replacement and whilst I agree that EV's becoming more common will help I rather suspect that will be (quite) a while So im being offered an 'inferior' product and im supposed think thats a a good thing ? Edited by Charlie_1 on Friday 29th September 12:36 different product, not necessarily inferior.

DMC2 said: Lol. Try doing the North Coast 500 in an electric car. The difference is that you can deliver petrol to a garage in the middle of nowhere. You can't magic electricity to remote locations. I did it 5 years ago in an EV. For free incidentally. There are and were loads of chargers. Probably more chargers than petrol stations ironically. I’ve incidentally done it in a Boxster as well. A different kind of experience obviously.

I think people can discount the potential for fun in these cars a little too easily. Personally I’ve found the Taycan to be more fun than a 992 4S PDK, but less fun than my >500hp rear drive manual 991. It’s understandable that people will miss the growl of a nice motor when pootling about, but when you’re concentrating hard and trying to dial your reflexes up a few notches, I’ve always found that I don’t really listen to the engine much at all. Maybe a rear drive EV Cayman will be ok if they have a mode to relax the nanny aids a bit. There will be plenty of torque to have to manage. So many of the modern petrol iterations across ‘sports’ cars in general are a bit safe and boring now. It will make sense to have a modern car, which could be an EV, and then have something very different to compliment it from the back catalog. If you drive around in a shopping car for a few days, it always makes the next drive in something fun a little bit more special.