Bad GT2 crash near Goodwood - Page 3 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13379137/... Obviously not going to speculate as to the specific cause , sadly driver did not survive the crash. I expect the investigation will clarify the reason. One odd thing that struck me beyond the accident was the claim that 60% of these cars in the UK are declared off road. Is this in any way realistic?.

very sad. that pothole looks vicious, so would not surprise me if he tried to avoid it. I nearly died in my 997 GT2, rollcage saved my life.

I drive that section of road on a weekly basis. I know that pothole well, and a week ago was following a small, slow car that swerved out into oncoming traffic to avoid it at the last minute. Fortunately there was no collision that day. The lovely section of the A272 to the west of Wisborough Green, that final hill, the following straight, speed and overtaking (i.e. all the comments attributed to the 'locals') are almost certainly nothing to do with this accident. RIP and thoughts with the families of all involved.

The 272 is riddled with potholes, all the roads around that area are. They fix them then a week later they're back. I've seen numerous cars stranded after hitting them and a few close calls of people swerving around them, it makes sense he would have been trying to avoid it.

Saw this on the news. GT2 claims another victim. Very sad, no doubt "one of us" if he had a GT2! I did the GT evolution (or what ever its called) at PDC Silverstone, the GT2 they had was epic. No matter its reputation I would have one in a heart beat. RIP.

Sad reading indeed. I know everybody probably says this about their area, but right now West Sussex must have the worst condition roads in all of the country.

Very sad… might have been someone on the way to PCGB day @ Goodwood, as it was on the same morning as the event. No word on PCGB as to if it was someone. Torys have let this country break down in every single way imaginable, whilst lining their own pockets with our taxes. The end cannot come soon enough for this lot.

Really sad. At least he went out driving the dream. Harder to survive these things at 74, but fair play to the guy for having a GT2 over a Conti (or similar barge at that price point).

Very sad. As someone who owned a 997 GT2 I'll say that I highly doubt he lost control of the car in the dry on that road (which I know well), particularly as the Police say speed was not a factor. It was a left-hand drive car, he swerved to avoid a pothole, but being lhd may have helped him to swerve too far over the road and hit oncoming traffic. The fact that this was a GT2 seems irrelevant to the crash.

That is extremely sad. Not withstanding the fact that UK roads have indeed been allowed to decline into a dreadful and dangerous condition (under different governments and local authorities); from what I can see, the cabin structure looks fairly intact. So, with seat belts, airbags and other safety features, it may yet be possible that a medical incident caused the collision.

Koln-RS said: That is extremely sad. Not withstanding the fact that UK roads have indeed been allowed to decline into a dreadful and dangerous condition (under different governments and local authorities); from what I can see, the cabin structure looks fairly intact. So, with seat belts, airbags and other safety features, it may yet be possible that a medical incident caused the collision. I had the same question. The damage looked survivable. I expect that the cause will be made known.

RDMcG said: I had the same question. The damage looked survivable. I expect that the cause will be made known. The drivers side damage looks quite bad imho, in the linked article photos the door appears to be bent badly at the a-pillar. As much as we don’t like to admit it, bone density does reduce with age, what could be survivable by a younger body can be fatal for an older one. RIP and condolences to the family.

Maybe something for the annoys beyond reason thread but after seeing that there was a piece on our local news on potholes and the JCB machine for fixing potholes. Despite all the talk of councils getting funds for pothole repairs not a single council has bought one. There doesn't seem to be any political will to actually sort the roads out.

I'm similarly baffled at the lack of interest in (one presumes) leasable pothole repair kit. like the JCB that can operate without a load of men in hi-vis looking on. I drove past what must have been an emergency repair on a nasty hole in a road through our town in Suffolk last night at well past seven in the evening (not complaining, at least it was being done, presumably because it's an emergency diversion when the A14 is blocked)), with five guys, all probably on overtime, watching as one of them watered the fresh infill tarmac with a watering can (it must be part of the process). One wonders as the cost of that size of crew by comparison with a way more efficient piece of kit, a driver and a banksman of some sort to operate temporary traffic lights. And the roads around us are slowly but surely decaying for the lack of attention.

I live fairly local to the A272 and surrounding B roads and I've never seen them in such terrible condition, especially after the exceedingly wet winter we've had which left so many of the roads waterlogged

Certainly there's an element of the seemingly endless awful weather that's made the roads worse. There seems to be different standards depending upon council. Typically going from Worcestershire into Shropshire you get a marked deterioration in surfaces, potholes and repair strategy. Currently the Worcestershire roads are worse than normal but just into Shropshire there's been a giant hole right on the apex of a left hand bend, seen a couple of Range Rovers with destroyed alloys waiting for assistance. This hole was there for weeks with a single warning cone in place, then they put barriers up which got flattened, which is not the council fault. Next day another vehicle with shattered wheel and damage. To avoid the hole which was on a bend with v poor sightline you had to move out across double white lines partly onto the wrong side. That is just not acceptable.

FiF said: Maybe something for the annoys beyond reason thread but after seeing that there was a piece on our local news on potholes and the JCB machine for fixing potholes. Despite all the talk of councils getting funds for pothole repairs not a single council has bought one. There doesn't seem to be any political will to actually sort the roads out. Quite a few councils are leasing them actually. Like with anything government related, getting ahead of the problem would require some foresight or competence. I've seen the road crews working on the potholes on the A272 but always doing it manually and the repairs rarely last more than a couple of months.

FiF said: Despite all the talk of councils getting funds for pothole repairs not a single council has bought one.. JCB are doing very good business selling or leasing the pot hole pro’s to local authorities that do their own roads maintenance and the national tier 1’s used by LA’s have contracted out maintenance. Problem is the amount that need doing and the leadtime on the kit. Also once the pothole exceeds a certain width / depth then you can’t use that piece of kit to repair it.

TDT said: Very sad… might have been someone on the way to PCGB day @ Goodwood, as it was on the same morning as the event. No word on PCGB as to if it was someone. Torys have let this country break down in every single way imaginable, whilst lining their own pockets with our taxes. The end cannot come soon enough for this lot. send another 2 billion to thee war that should have been avoided instead

Fair enough appears I have been misled by a rant from a certain Mr Harris of this parish.

b0rk said: JCB are doing very good business selling or leasing the pot hole pro’s to local authorities that do their own roads maintenance and the national tier 1’s used by LA’s have contracted out maintenance. Problem is the amount that need doing and the leadtime on the kit. Also once the pothole exceeds a certain width / depth then you can’t use that piece of kit to repair it. Talking to highways inspector 15 years ago a large part of the problem appears to be LA’s making highway inspectirs redundant. In the area I lived in N.Wales, there were 3 inspectors, and they aimed to inspect every road every 6 months. Two inspectors had been made redundant, the one remaining inspector I chatted to said some more rural lanes/roads would most likely not be inspected for another 2-3 years [i]minimum[ii]. But as others have said, when the repairs are carried out to such a poor standard, they last no more than 2-3 months anyway …

Slippydiff said: But as others have said, when the repairs are carried out to such a poor standard, they last no more than 2-3 months anyway … LA’s for various reasons all too regularly do the wrong type of repair for state the pothole is in, local patches with cold mix when the damage is down to the lower layers. Then you have those decide to do a temp repair but never come back to a permanent repair before the repair refails. New bits of kit are amazing apparently, some of our lads do highways work for tier 1’s when we have nothing for them. However they’re not suitable for all types of failure and if the LA leaves it to long much more expensive and time consuming repair is needed.

RDMcG said: One odd thing that struck me beyond the accident was the claim that 60% of these cars in the UK are declared off road. Is this in any way realistic?. This doesn’t strike me as unrealistic. Most owners of these cars will own multiple cars. Why have it taxed the entire year if you’re only going to use it for a few months in summer? RIP. Edited by Jawls on Sunday 5th May 09:19

Very sad situation, poor chap. I appreciate the damage doesn’t look bad enough to be fatal, but we don’t know all the facts. If I were to assume, it would be that the gent had a heart attack or something similar.

Over over under steer said: Very sad situation, poor chap. I appreciate the damage doesn’t look bad enough to be fatal, but we don’t know all the facts. If I were to assume, it would be that the gent had a heart attack or something similar. I have not seen any official statement as to the cause yet.

Over over under steer said: Very sad situation, poor chap. I appreciate the damage doesn’t look bad enough to be fatal, but we don’t know all the facts. If I were to assume, it would be that the gent had a heart attack or something similar. The drivers side (its LHD) looks to have taken a big hit. Someone might correct me but I dont know if the 997 GT2s had curtain airbags, but I dont think they did.

I think that some councils with an anti-car agenda and budget problems may view potholes as reverse speed bumps that slow traffic down.

RHD and maybe he'd have survived?

CountyAFC said: RHD and maybe he'd have survived? I was thinking the same. I can’t figure out why there is so much damage to the near side of the car and the off side looks basically untouched. Surely dodging a pot hole would put the offside at greater risk? Real shame it ended this way, RIP

gotoPzero said: Over over under steer said: Very sad situation, poor chap. I appreciate the damage doesn’t look bad enough to be fatal, but we don’t know all the facts. If I were to assume, it would be that the gent had a heart attack or something similar. The drivers side (its LHD) looks to have taken a big hit. Someone might correct me but I dont know if the 997 GT2s had curtain airbags, but I dont think they did. no, only the two at the front

MDL111 said: gotoPzero said: Over over under steer said: Very sad situation, poor chap. I appreciate the damage doesn’t look bad enough to be fatal, but we don’t know all the facts. If I were to assume, it would be that the gent had a heart attack or something similar. The drivers side (its LHD) looks to have taken a big hit. Someone might correct me but I dont know if the 997 GT2s had curtain airbags, but I dont think they did. no, only the two at the front They have airbags in the doors, at least there is a plaque saying airbag, and also in teh folding buckets.

The local authorities source out the works to third parties that couldn't care less about the repair jobs they do, plus, nobody from LA, appears to check any sort of third party work Same old, no bloody accountability.

There was another serious crash on the A286 yesterday, road closed all day so I hope everyone was okay but not looking good. It happened at Kings Drive which is the end of that long straight between Midhurst and Fernhurst before you start going down the hill.

TB993tt said: They have airbags in the doors, at least there is a plaque saying airbag, and also in teh folding buckets. Yeah my bad - I forgot they are there. I don’t think mine triggered (which would be surprising), but can’t say for certain.

This really frustrates me that only n nn nnn now do they decide to repair the pot hole! https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/24302730.west-suss...

Maybe someone at the local authority should made accountable for it, after all it should have been filled in.

Northcote67 said: There was another serious crash on the A286 yesterday, road closed all day so I hope everyone was okay but not looking good. It happened at Kings Drive which is the end of that long straight between Midhurst and Fernhurst before you start going down the hill. That one sounds a bit odd, the driver was apparently found shot. https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/24303068.man-found...

Tymb said: That one sounds a bit odd, the driver was apparently found shot. https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/24303068.man-found... Blimey, that is a bit strange.

KittyLitter said: This really frustrates me that only n nn nnn now do they decide to repair the pot hole! https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/24302730.west-suss... In the Netherlands the say: When the calf (or Child) has drowned, the well is filled in.

RIP. Very sad. Agree disgusting the council only now fix the pot hole after someone has passed away. The council needs to be held to account for this.

KittyLitter said: This really frustrates me that only n nn nnn now do they decide to repair the pot hole! https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/24302730.west-suss... And the newspaper still have to get speeding into the article, even though it played no part in this accident

IMI A said: RIP. Very sad. Agree disgusting the council only now fix the pot hole after someone has passed away. The council needs to be held to account for this. It's not established what happened and if a pothole had any effect at this stage - we've been playing 'hunt the pothole on the other thread and finally found the one pictured in the reports which is way back down the road, and could have had no part in the tragedy.

A pothole clearly played a role in triggering the accident, though not necessarily the one pictured in the article. However the driver had many choices once they saw the pothole, including braking hard and driving slowly through the pothole etc. Instead they chose to swerve it by so far they drove into a car coming in the opposite direction. That is avoidable driver error. Either the driver did not see the oncoming car, or mis-judged the positioning helped by the car being left-hand drive. Maybe the driver was not as familiar with left-hand drive whereby it is harder to judge the position of the right side of the car on the road. The pothole triggered the sequence, but it was the driver who drove the car into an oncoming vehicle. The same would have happened if there was a dead badger/deer in the exact same place on the road (which happens a lot on roads in this area).

Maybe it’s time to close this thread, the gentleman’s funeral has not yet taken place, imagine how his family and friends feel reading all this by know all’s

Deansfield said: Maybe it’s time to close this thread, the gentleman’s funeral has not yet taken place, imagine how his family and friends feel reading all this by know all’s Exactly, nobody was there so can’t for certain know what happened.

Deansfield said: Maybe it’s time to close this thread, the gentleman’s funeral has not yet taken place, imagine how his family and friends feel reading all this by know all’s I was thinking the exact same thing.

agreed.

Police have confirmed that Porsche driver died from medical episode in A272 crash . No need for any more pothole theories.

Please take this thread down,it has no place here. Good job some of you are not police or judges ffs,assumption’s make asses of folk.

jeremyc said: Police have confirmed that Porsche driver died from medical episode in A272 crash . No need for any more pothole theories. Looks like a heart attack or something like that. Never a good time to meet your maker and condolences to the family.

Yellow491 said: Please take this thread down,it has no place here. Good job some of you are not police or judges ffs,assumption’s make asses of folk. Come on pistonheads get this dealt with immediately

jeremyc said: Police have confirmed that Porsche driver died from medical episode in A272 crash . No need for any more pothole theories. But whats to say that the pothole caused enough of a jolt and instant anxiety that it triggered a medical condition to ensue.

KittyLitter said: jeremyc said: Police have confirmed that Porsche driver died from medical episode in A272 crash . No need for any more pothole theories. But whats to say that the pothole caused enough of a jolt and instant anxiety that it triggered a medical condition to ensue. Give it a rest ffs.

Yellow491 said: KittyLitter said: jeremyc said: Police have confirmed that Porsche driver died from medical episode in A272 crash . No need for any more pothole theories. But whats to say that the pothole caused enough of a jolt and instant anxiety that it triggered a medical condition to ensue. Give it a rest ffs. This.

KittyLitter said: But whats to say that the pothole caused enough of a jolt and instant anxiety that it triggered a medical condition to ensue. Username checks out.

blimey

Yellow491 said: Please take this thread down,it has no place here. Good job some of you are not police or judges ffs,assumption’s make asses of folk. Why does the thread need to be taken down? It titled,bad GT2 crash near Goodwood, which is accurate That people have speculated based on newspaper reports is another thing, but there’s nothing wrong with the thread itself

freedman said: Yellow491 said: Please take this thread down,it has no place here. Good job some of you are not police or judges ffs,assumption’s make asses of folk. Why does the thread need to be taken down? It titled,bad GT2 crash near Goodwood, which is accurate That people have speculated based on newspaper reports is another thing, but there’s nothing wrong with the thread itself The mentality of "ban everything I don't like" has become so rampant on this site with people falling over themselves to prove to anonymous strangers how moral they are. You also increasingly see this in public discourse at all levels of society which is even more worrying

freedman said: That people have speculated based on newspaper reports is another thing, but there’s nothing wrong with the thread itself I ended up here because a random YouTube appeared on my feed discussing it. The bulk of which was due to the thesis that the pot hole was the cause. Obviously I believed this at the time but now know believing something written by the Mail is probably always going to be a mistake. I used the search and found this thread and made a Post with a pothole related comment which seemed to upset some people so I deleted it. Perhaps I am the cause for some of the recent posts and therefore I thought I should make another Post now explaining that. I did not intend to upset anyone but clearly I did.