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Apologies if this is the wrong place for this. I’m currently daily driving a 718 GT4 manual which I’m absolutely loving. It’s going to become my second car on the near future with the birth of my second son last week. I’m in no hurry to change but I like to have something to aim for in the near future. Which despite having never been a Porsche person growing up now that I am one, I very much want to go deeper down the rabbit hole. The issue is at the kind of price point I’m looking at there are quite a few options all quite similar. In the sort of 100-180k bracket. The current possible list: 991.2 GT3 991.2 GT3 RS 991.1 GT3 RS 992 GT3 GT4 RS Left field idea keep the GT4 get a 488 spider to go alongside it. I sort of feel like it has to be a 911 as I have never had one and you could argue that’s what Porsche is all about. They are similar ish money with technically the same engine? Did things change dramatically between them? The trouble is I don’t really know how to split them as they obviously have a lot in common. Reviews aren’t really helpful as they all get 5 star superlative filled reviews. So what are the key differences? What would you be going for in my shoes? It will be a strictly early morning blast and a few trackday a year car. Very unlikely to be used for road trips.

What are you going to use it for? Surely that’s a good starting point.

Bigger isn't necessarily better. Decide what you're trying to achieve - then do it.

ellroy said: What are you going to use it for? Surely that’s a good starting point. Read final OP sentence

“Left field idea keep the GT4 get a 488 spider to go alongside” Or how about a Spyder RS if you can secure one at list?

Spyder RS sounds like fun, although a GT4 RS will be faster on track, still I think the Spyder is more involving, but then, how many sunny days in the UK... but if those GT3 + cars are on your bucket list, I guess its a good time for some of those to buy. GT3 RS nice, although personally not a fan of big wings, so I would choose a nice Touring version with bucket seats, a bit like a cheap-ish ST or... some say a 992 GT3 is very good and I guess in your range?

ntiz said: In the sort of 100-180k bracket. It will be a strictly early morning blast and a few trackday a year car. Very unlikely to be used for road trips. this https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/16354491

GT4RS prices have started to slide a little and it probably ticks your box as something very special, but if you really do want a 911 then £120k will get you into a 991.2 GT3. It's a big step up either way in your car +cash however to get the next level up from what you already have (which will keep up with most things if well driven on a fast country lane.) £120k and up gets you into some very exotic special cars as opposed to a 911, probably worth test driving or going out in a GT3 or RS first.

I switched from a highly modified 981 GT4 to a 991.2GT3RS ... The 991.2 is a big step up from the 991.1 but still has the analogue interior, something that I dislike in the 992 ... personal preference. The 911 has a lot of developments that wouldn't have been worthwhile on the GT4 ... multilink and RWS ... that engine and the best version of it ... PDK (which I like both on the road and on the track), and the frunk is big enough ... unlike the 992 GT3RS at any price. It's quieter inside than the GT4RS for touring, the high wing gives great vision out of the rear window ... and in pre-particulate filter guise it has that timeless classic relative simplicity that will hopefully make it inexpensive to maintain ... unlike the 992 GT3RS ?? I've summarised somewhere the 991.1 to 991.2RS differences which I'll post when I find it ! It helped me in my decision ... just my 2p. Edited by ChrisW. on Thursday 9th May 12:02 Edited by ChrisW. on Thursday 9th May 12:06

991.2 gt3 from your list, unless R/S is attainable but diminishing returns perhaps. I’d avoid 991.1 given the issues, and I prefer the shape and noise of the 991 over the 992 tbh, although I’m sure the tech makes it more liveable. The gt4rs is another cayman, the pinnacle but a better version of what you have. I went through a similar cycle, and once the 911 itch is there you really just need to scratch it; cheaper int eh long run!

I've recently swapped from a Gt4 to a 570s, the difference in speed is astonishing. I don't think I'd swap back as yet to porsche even for a GT3.

I'd try a 992 gt3 personally out of that list if you are wanting to change for something else. Might as well go for the latest and greatest (short of the rs anyway) and get the full range of improvements in dynamics and electronic integration. The 991 GT cars (either gen) will really just be pretty much like the 992 but worse.

200Plus Club said: I've recently swapped from a Gt4 to a 570s, the difference in speed is astonishing. I don't think I'd swap back as yet to porsche even for a GT3. A 570 PS 3.8 litre V8 with two turbos strapped onto it, with nearly 450 torques is much faster than a NA flat six GT4. Who’d have thunk it ?

Slippydiff said: A 570 PS 3.8 litre V8 with two turbos strapped onto it, with nearly 450 torques is much faster than a NA flat six GT4. Who’d have thunk it ? Given they are the same weight roughly and handle very similarly on country lanes and are at the same price point if not cheaper than a 911 GT3 it's worth comparison. His GT4 plus perhaps £40-50k might not even get him into a 4RS.

ntiz said: Apologies if this is the wrong place for this. I’m currently daily driving a 718 GT4 manual which I’m absolutely loving. It’s going to become my second car on the near future with the birth of my second son last week. I’m in no hurry to change but I like to have something to aim for in the near future. Which despite having never been a Porsche person growing up now that I am one, I very much want to go deeper down the rabbit hole. The issue is at the kind of price point I’m looking at there are quite a few options all quite similar. In the sort of 100-180k bracket. The current possible list: 991.2 GT3 991.2 GT3 RS 991.1 GT3 RS 992 GT3 GT4 RS Left field idea keep the GT4 get a 488 spider to go alongside it. I sort of feel like it has to be a 911 as I have never had one and you could argue that’s what Porsche is all about. They are similar ish money with technically the same engine? Did things change dramatically between them? The trouble is I don’t really know how to split them as they obviously have a lot in common. Reviews aren’t really helpful as they all get 5 star superlative filled reviews. So what are the key differences? What would you be going for in my shoes? It will be a strictly early morning blast and a few trackday a year car. Very unlikely to be used for road trips. A lot of stunning supercars also within reach if you are looking at 458/488 as well at your budget. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024050894...

If you’re enjoying the manual 718, then I reckon a manual 991.2 gt3 would probably be the choice from that list. If paddle shift is the preference then given you’re doing track days I’d be thinking 600LT spider before 488 spider , but would be delighted with either.

200Plus Club said: Given they are the same weight roughly and handle very similarly on country lanes and are at the same price point if not cheaper than a 911 GT3 it's worth comparison. His GT4 plus perhaps £40-50k might not even get him into a 4RS. My comments weren't meant to address any of those points, they were merely expressing disbelief at you expressing disbelief that the 570S was SO much quicker than the GT4.

ntiz said: What would you be going for in my shoes? I’d be considering at least one car that I can take my 2 kids out in. Left field option of GT4 and 488 would mean that you’d have 2 cars just for you. Good choices whichever way you go.

Nice position to be in. I can see myself back in a 718GT4 at some point, it's such a great car for what it is, but definitely test drive lots of stuff. I went round Donnington in a 991.2 GT3 and they are very accomplished cars, you wouldn't be unhappy in one either !

Thanks for all the responses everyone much appreciated. To answer a couple of queries of my thinking. Car to take the kids out in is in the plan as well. VW Multivan on order for the wife freeing up her Model Y performance which will be going for something like an M3/M5/E63 etc. My life is touch more complicated as my eldest is quite severely disabled so family trips out in a special car aren't going to be a thing. I look at 2 seaters because my wife is awesome and actively tells me not to compromise on my cars as they are the one part of my life that isn't affected by our situation. They are very much my escape. Probably why I spend so much time planning and plotting my next moves. I appreciate why supercars are being suggested, however I see GT Porsches very much as top hole sport cars and super cars are something different. Thats not to say I don't want a supercar but its something I would want alongside a GT3/4 not instead of. To give you the full grand 20 year plan to Ntiz motoring nirvana. The garage would be as follows: Sportscar probably GT3 shaped. Supercar idealy convertible probably Ferrari shaped. Alfaholics GTAr built for me to my dream spec Classic race car eligible for Spa and leman. Something like a Lotus 23, Elan, Austin Healey 100S. My dads pre war Bentley. I will lose the house before I let that go. As you can see I have put wwwaaaaayyyyyyy too much thought into it all. I am deadly serious about achieving it though. Are the RS cars that much different to the "normal" GT3? They aren't that much lighter or more powerful but obviously look pretty wild (which I like). I think the main reason I would be looking to get out of my current GT4 is the desire to try the GT engine as it seems to be held up as one of THE great engines out there. I do like a manual but im not sure I would be willing to stump up considerably more cash to have one. As seems to be the case with 991.2? Thanks for reading my ramblings.

I’ve often wondered where you would go after such a car. The local OPC had RS Spyder and new GT3 RS both with about 590 miles on and both belonged to the same guy. I would assume pinnacle of modern Porsche. God only knows where he was going after them. Personally I don’t like modern 911s so went to Ferrari, currently a 458 spider. Bloody amazing. Also went McLaren and they are laugh out loud bonkers. Love it. But I don’t think a 488 Spyder really suits your purpose, well a Sunday morning yes. You would definitely want to take it on road trips though. Brilliant car, but you would want to use it more and probably not a track car. A McLaren would suit. But it strikes me there’s plenty of Porsche left in you yet, GT3 wise although could be too close to the GT4. An interesting, but fun dilemma to have. And with that budget there is loads to go have a go at. P.S get a 720 and come and laugh out loud

Your other option could be to let 9m play with your GT4 and fit their lightweight flywheel and clutch plus exhaust and tune it. You'll be up around 430bhp or more and there would be even less in it between your car and the models you mentioned from porsche!:-) Whatever happens you've already got a fabulous drivers car, get it on track and enjoy!

Going/been through (sort of) a similar question myself. My GT4 is a 3rd weekend car, also only used for early morning drives with the odd track day. It turns 2yrs old this July. Specced it myself so owned from new and bought at list (locked in before lots of the silly price rises at the end of 21 and start of 22). I have the balloon to either pay, refinance, or trade in the GT4 for something else using the equity as a deposit. I started potentially thinking about replacements back in Jan, and being honest, I came to the conclusion that for my driving skills there was nothing 'new' that would give me more enjoyment v £, especially as new car prices in 2024 and interest rates rates are currently so high. My OPC offered me a 4RS build allocation a couple of months ago, but I turned it down for a number of reasons, some of which are listed by people in this thread. I go to this fairly regularly... https://www.instagram.com/legends_drivers_club/ ...which gives me the opportunity to see pretty much every flavour of 911 (and Porsche) etc, and talk to the owners, and I think I've come to the conclusion that I'm not willing to push money into any epic depreciation on something relatively new, so I will refinance my balloon in the short term, and then the next car will probably be a 997 GT3/RS of some flavour. Edited by kmpowell on Friday 10th May 09:31

Having got out of a 718 GT4 from new recently after 2 years of ownership happy to share my thought processes! Had the GT4 for 2 years, mostly for track days and roadtrips. Did a few mods to it to extract more out of that excellent chassis - as the stock car is neither a great road car nor a great track car closer to the limit. Some KW coilovers, Manthey arms + aggressive geo transformed it into a totally different animal but it became pretty much only a track car. Always had an itch for a 911 GT3 and I reached the limit of what I could do with the GT4 so the search started bearing in mind this will be a 95% road car to enjoy driving again. Manual was almost a must so 991 RS was out which is also mostly a track car. - 992 GT3: quickly realised these are hardly rare and didn't think it's worth paying small overs for a used common sportscar. I also thought I'd end up in the same place as I did with the GT4. It's another modern car that I'd probably get bored of in 2 years. Phenomenal car on track, but almost too good for the road. Don't buy into the 'too uncomfortable for the road' as these cars are sensitive to Geo, ride height etc which can be all adjusted. Comfort seats and PS4s also help. - 991.2 GT3: Was super tempted, think they look and sound great. Very usable but perhaps not 'analogue' enough. The price differential between manual and PDK was just too much for me to justify. Yes manual is rare but 20k-30k difference is a lot for the same car - 991.1 GT3: no manuals but at their price point think awesome value. - 997.2 GT3 RS: those prices wow... - 997.2 GT3: Test drove a black one and within first 10 metres knew had to have it. Exciting at every speed and so rewarding, perfect size, makes a great noise and rides awful british roads so so well, so much better than the stock 718GT4. They just have such a cool vibe about them. Mine is without the cage and with normal sports seats. Haven't looked back for a second. I keep my fingers crossed that this becomes a forever car and anything else I get in the future will be an addition to and not a replacement for the 997

Rolling8ball said: Having got out of a 718 GT4 from new recently after 2 years of ownership happy to share my thought processes! Had the GT4 for 2 years, mostly for track days and roadtrips. Did a few mods to it to extract more out of that excellent chassis - as the stock car is neither a great road car nor a great track car closer to the limit. Some KW coilovers, Manthey arms + aggressive geo transformed it into a totally different animal but it became pretty much only a track car. Always had an itch for a 911 GT3 and I reached the limit of what I could do with the GT4 so the search started bearing in mind this will be a 95% road car to enjoy driving again. Manual was almost a must so 991 RS was out which is also mostly a track car. - 992 GT3: quickly realised these are hardly rare and didn't think it's worth paying small overs for a used common sportscar. I also thought I'd end up in the same place as I did with the GT4. It's another modern car that I'd probably get bored of in 2 years. Phenomenal car on track, but almost too good for the road. Don't buy into the 'too uncomfortable for the road' as these cars are sensitive to Geo, ride height etc which can be all adjusted. Comfort seats and PS4s also help. - 991.2 GT3: Was super tempted, think they look and sound great. Very usable but perhaps not 'analogue' enough. The price differential between manual and PDK was just too much for me to justify. Yes manual is rare but 20k-30k difference is a lot for the same car - 991.1 GT3: no manuals but at their price point think awesome value. - 997.2 GT3 RS: those prices wow... - 997.2 GT3: Test drove a black one and within first 10 metres knew had to have it. Exciting at every speed and so rewarding, perfect size, makes a great noise and rides awful british roads so so well, so much better than the stock 718GT4. They just have such a cool vibe about them. Mine is without the cage and with normal sports seats. Haven't looked back for a second. I keep my fingers crossed that this becomes a forever car and anything else I get in the future will be an addition to and not a replacement for the 997 What are the numbers for the 992GT3 , compared to the 991GT3, did they build that many more 992's ? Tia

Rolling8ball said: Having got out of a 718 GT4 from new recently after 2 years of ownership happy to share my thought processes! Had the GT4 for 2 years, mostly for track days and roadtrips. Did a few mods to it to extract more out of that excellent chassis - as the stock car is neither a great road car nor a great track car closer to the limit. Some KW coilovers, Manthey arms + aggressive geo transformed it into a totally different animal but it became pretty much only a track car. Always had an itch for a 911 GT3 and I reached the limit of what I could do with the GT4 so the search started bearing in mind this will be a 95% road car to enjoy driving again. Manual was almost a must so 991 RS was out which is also mostly a track car. - 992 GT3: quickly realised these are hardly rare and didn't think it's worth paying small overs for a used common sportscar. I also thought I'd end up in the same place as I did with the GT4. It's another modern car that I'd probably get bored of in 2 years. Phenomenal car on track, but almost too good for the road. Don't buy into the 'too uncomfortable for the road' as these cars are sensitive to Geo, ride height etc which can be all adjusted. Comfort seats and PS4s also help. - 991.2 GT3: Was super tempted, think they look and sound great. Very usable but perhaps not 'analogue' enough. The price differential between manual and PDK was just too much for me to justify. Yes manual is rare but 20k-30k difference is a lot for the same car - 991.1 GT3: no manuals but at their price point think awesome value. - 997.2 GT3 RS: those prices wow... - 997.2 GT3: Test drove a black one and within first 10 metres knew had to have it. Exciting at every speed and so rewarding, perfect size, makes a great noise and rides awful british roads so so well, so much better than the stock 718GT4. They just have such a cool vibe about them. Mine is without the cage and with normal sports seats. Haven't looked back for a second. I keep my fingers crossed that this becomes a forever car and anything else I get in the future will be an addition to and not a replacement for the 997 Great story, love the last lines about the 997.2 GT3 they are a bit top 911 sometimes I come across such GT3 RS those with the 450hp for not silly money for such (say 160k euro), but those go fast, yesterday saw a nice one on the web almost 200k but for such, still not to silly, ok its the 450hp version not the 500hp version, but those 500hp are silly money also I believe those GT3 RS 450hp versions are pretty rare, also the GT3 997.2 I guess, ah, seems around 1500 WW for the GT3 RS 997.2 were those 3.8 all manual?

https://www.porscheknowledge.com/gt3-production-bu... Yea given this trend I'd imagine 992 numbers to be way higher. Used market is certainly not short on them. Funny how nowadays a 'limited edition' ST is considered limited at 2000 units when 10+ years ago that's how many 997 and 996s were made of each model type and gen. If i did have a spare 180k a 997.2 RS would almost certainly be first choice knowing now just how good of a road car the standard 7.2 GT3 is!

Rolling8ball said: Having got out of a 718 GT4 from new recently after 2 years of ownership happy to share my thought processes! - 997.2 GT3 RS: those prices wow... - 997.2 GT3: Test drove a black one and within first 10 metres knew had to have it. Exciting at every speed and so rewarding, perfect size, makes a great noise and rides awful british roads so so well, so much better than the stock 718GT4. They just have such a cool vibe about them. Mine is without the cage and with normal sports seats. Haven't looked back for a second. I keep my fingers crossed that this becomes a forever car and anything else I get in the future will be an addition to and not a replacement for the 997 I'm with Rolling8ball on this. I've had two 997.2 (GT3 and GT3RS), a 991.2 GT3RS and now a 718 GT4 (PDK). The GT4 is a great car, but I miss the deeper involvement that came with the more analog/raw experience that the 997.2 (both GT3 and RS) provided. I was recently at Spa, and had a lot of fun. I had a racelogic data logger, so I looked at my laps - and the looked at a lap I did in 2016 with the 997 RS. The difference in sound and in driver involvement is pretty significant... I don't pretend to be a quick driver or anything - but for comparison here are two laps of Spa, one in the GT4 a few weeks ago, and one in the GT3RS back in 2016. https://youtu.be/FizUuPMPO30?si=FXA9o61o6Bh0hA1X https://youtu.be/V2ICnBBtGnQ?si=B3lMuw9YDc433QDs And this has got me thinking that I may need to find myself a 997 GT3 of some sort... Michael

another vote for the 997 gt3. im biased having had a good blast this weekend to remind myself of how epic the 997.1 gt3 is with the ceramics. there are quicker cars etc but for sheer driving pleasure its really up there

mep59 said: I'm with Rolling8ball on this. I've had two 997.2 (GT3 and GT3RS), a 991.2 GT3RS and now a 718 GT4 (PDK). The GT4 is a great car, but I miss the deeper involvement that came with the more analog/raw experience that the 997.2 (both GT3 and RS) provided. The 'old car experience' for lack of a better description isn't for everyone either I'd say but if that's one what prefers, then tbh there's very little 'modern' no matter how quick or capable, that offers anything like it. Think in some respects we are just showing our age though. 20 years ago people likely were harking back to the 'even older' stuff with people harking back to the 964s and before compared to the 996 gt3s I suppose....

isaldiri said: The 'old car experience' for lack of a better description isn't for everyone either I'd say but if that's one what prefers, then tbh there's very little 'modern' no matter how quick or capable, that offers anything like it. Think in some respects we are just showing our age though. 20 years ago people likely were harking back to the 'even older' stuff with people harking back to the 964s and before compared to the 996 gt3s I suppose.... I get what you're saying about the appeal of the old car experience as we age but for me the beauty of the 997 GT3 is that it doesn't feel old, I wouldn't have one if it did. Mine certainly didn't on a "rapid" strop with a GT4 RS in the French Alps last September! I do find it a massively engaging experience though, I feel the car will only give its all if I am giving mine, which I love

isaldiri said: The 'old car experience' for lack of a better description isn't for everyone either I'd say but if that's one what prefers, then tbh there's very little 'modern' no matter how quick or capable, that offers anything like it. Think in some respects we are just showing our age though. 20 years ago people likely were harking back to the 'even older' stuff with people harking back to the 964s and before compared to the 996 gt3s I suppose.... You're probably right - my first Porsche was a 986 Boxster in 2000, so I don't have any personal experience of the earlier models (though I did briefly drive my dad's 911S back in the mid-70s aged 14 or 15 ;-)). So based on personal experience the 997s that I used to own are my favorites...

mep59 said: I'm with Rolling8ball on this. I've had two 997.2 (GT3 and GT3RS), a 991.2 GT3RS and now a 718 GT4 (PDK). The GT4 is a great car, but I miss the deeper involvement that came with the more analog/raw experience that the 997.2 (both GT3 and RS) provided. I was recently at Spa, and had a lot of fun. I had a racelogic data logger, so I looked at my laps - and the looked at a lap I did in 2016 with the 997 RS. The difference in sound and in driver involvement is pretty significant... I don't pretend to be a quick driver or anything - but for comparison here are two laps of Spa, one in the GT4 a few weeks ago, and one in the GT3RS back in 2016. https://youtu.be/FizUuPMPO30?si=FXA9o61o6Bh0hA1X https://youtu.be/V2ICnBBtGnQ?si=B3lMuw9YDc433QDs And this has got me thinking that I may need to find myself a 997 GT3 of some sort... Michael ah yes, the 997.2 GT3 sounds better also because of the manual, I do not like the automatic sound from gear to gear, its to computer sounds-ish? lol, the 997.2 is more there.

911’s - especially GT3’s are a very different dynamic experience from the mid engined GT4 - or from just about any other car for that matter. The pivot point of the mid engined car is just in front of the engine. The pivot point of a 911 is just behind the front axle - meaning that weight transfer becomes a far greater factor in extracting the performance. Exploring the outer limits of the performance of a 911 requires a higher degree of dynamic understanding and driver Input/skill. This makes the GT4 a more accessible car and a 911 a more rewarding one. I’ve driven 1000’s of race and track day laps in GT3’s and I still find nuances that unlock a little more potential. As dynamically proficient as they are, mid engined cars do not offer the same Challenges and rewards. They are however far more accessible At the outer limits of their performance capabilities Although the Dynamic uniqueness of the 911 typically attracts a more hard core driver, In an effort to appeal to a larger driver demographic, over time Porsche have been re-engineering the GT3 Chassis to make it more accessible. This started with PASM, ABD and other electrical driver aids with the 997.1 GT3, then a wider front track with the 997.2. The 991 and all that followed had rear wheel steer, more electrical driving aids and the engine situated further forward. Finally, the 992 incorporated all these and a double wisbone front suspension. All iterations from the 997.1 have received more Sophisticated electrical and and active chassis components throughout the evolution. If the OP places reward, engagement, tactility and challenge high on his priority list, this would be my List in priority order: 996RS 996 1/2 CS 996 1/2 997 1 RS 997 2 RS 997 1/2 CS 997 1/2 991/2 and 992 would probably start with the 2RS but this car has a genuine reliance on aero as a factor for the extraction of performance which arguably reduces tactility and involvement. If the OP places outright pace over Driver engagement, tactility and involvement the list would effectively reverse. All GT3’s are incredibly capable cars, It really depends on where you place your priorities Edited by Steve Rance on Thursday 16th May 09:16

posts like yours steve remind of how good PH can be. and you know a thing or two about these cars dont you!

RC1 Thank you. That’s very kind

Out of your list I would opt for either a 991.2 GT3 or a 991.1 GT3 RS. The 4.0 litre engine is just incredible- stick a JCR or a Brookes race exhaust on it and you literally feel like you are driving a cup car around. I personally have a 991.2 GT3 alongside my 981 GT4 and find both quite a different driving experience but 9 times out of 10 i grab the keys to the GT3 if I want a fun Sunday morning blast. With the GT4 given you can quite easily drive the car at its full potential whereas the GT3 commands a lot more work/respect (also much much faster of course). When push comes to shove, I think I will replace the GT4 with a Spyder variant from either McLaren or Ferrari which I have boiled down to a Ferrari 458 or a 600LT (leaning towards the former for "specialness" factor). I recently drove a 488 Spyder and I would say that was good, but not great. So that is no longer on the list.

RC1 said: posts like yours steve remind of how good PH can be. and you know a thing or two about these cars dont you! Agreed

200Plus Club said: I've recently swapped from a Gt4 to a 570s, the difference in speed is astonishing. I don't think I'd swap back as yet to porsche even for a GT3. What about the build quality of the fit and finish of the 570? I've heard some horror stories of trim being stuck back together with double sided tape by main dealers. As good as McLaren seem to be the lottery of finding one without issues doesn't give me confidence especially over the fit and finish of Porsche.

Armitage.Shanks said: What about the build quality of the fit and finish of the 570? I've heard some horror stories of trim being stuck back together with double sided tape by main dealers. As good as McLaren seem to be the lottery of finding one without issues doesn't give me confidence especially over the fit and finish of Porsche. The later cars appear to be much better, mines a 2019 and appears great so far. You can buy privately and retain/transfer the mclaren warranty for peace of mind. Thorney also do thoroughly inspected cars with their warranty. Its not as bad as the Internet would make out. Parts are supercar prices and only available from mclaren so it's eyes wide open going in, annual servicing unlike the 2 yr Porsche GT cars etc. I'd happily go back to a GT3 or 4 after I've had my fun in the 570, but I'm glad I've stepped up to own one. You're welcome to a ride if you like.

Steve Rance said: 996RS 996 1/2 CS 996 1/2 997 1 RS 997 2 RS 997 1/2 CS 997 1/2 991/2 and 992 would probably start with the 2RS but this car has a genuine reliance on aero as a factor for the extraction of performance which arguably reduces tactility and involvement. If the OP places outright pace over Driver engagement, tactility and involvement the list would effectively reverse. All GT3’s are incredibly capable cars, It really depends on where you place your priorities Edited by Steve Rance on Thursday 16th May 09:16 This for me, once you’ve experienced a GT3 in anger you’ll know if it’s for you-you just need to figure out which flavour. I adored the 997 RS, done lots of laps and very nearly bought one when my time came. I like the phrase above of it being an old school 911 whilst still feeling modern. In the end though it was a 996 I really wanted so got one of those Now then, one thing I must point out is just how difficult they are to drive fast. I returned to the ring after five years away and although learning the car and deliberately doing slow laps I was surprised at just how slow I was! But that’s the idea, I bought something to learn and improve at. A GT4 and modern GT3 will be massively quicker in an average drivers hands-massively! The new RS’ have even moved the game on even further-those boys are bloody quick! For some people, that’s reason enough all by itself and fair enough. No one wants to be the slowest guy on track. It’s all horses for courses, they’re all so different through the generations there’s one that will particularly speak out to you and that’s what you should buy and enjoy.

GT4RS out of your list. Mega occasion car with the noise, look and feel.

I'd get the 488 spyder along side the GT4. Have to have a red car once if you can!

If dynamics and the driving reward/experience were not a priority to the OP, I’d definitely stay with a mid engined platform. There are a lot of well engineered cars available in this sector. In this sector I’d chose a GT4RS

Steve Rance said: If dynamics and the driving reward/experience were not a priority to the OP, I’d definitely stay with a mid engined platform. There are a lot of well engineered cars available in this sector. In this sector I’d chose a GT4RS That seems a bit unkind to mid engine cars I think as I can't really agree they don't offer driving reward/experience. they do, at least imo but merely a different one to a rear engine car. Whether that then is better is a subjective thing for everyone.

isaldiri said: Steve Rance said: If dynamics and the driving reward/experience were not a priority to the OP, I’d definitely stay with a mid engined platform. There are a lot of well engineered cars available in this sector. In this sector I’d chose a GT4RS That seems a bit unkind to mid engine cars I think as I can't really agree they don't offer driving reward/experience. they do, at least imo but merely a different one to a rear engine car. Whether that then is better is a subjective thing for everyone. Come on,. mid-engined Porsche are a very unrewarding experience, you should know that

isaldiri said: Steve Rance said: If dynamics and the driving reward/experience were not a priority to the OP, I’d definitely stay with a mid engined platform. There are a lot of well engineered cars available in this sector. In this sector I’d chose a GT4RS That seems a bit unkind to mid engine cars I think as I can't really agree they don't offer driving reward/experience. they do, at least imo but merely a different one to a rear engine car. Whether that then is better is a subjective thing for everyone. Agree!…

ntiz said: Apologies if this is the wrong place for this. I’m currently daily driving a 718 GT4 manual which I’m absolutely loving. It’s going to become my second car on the near future with the birth of my second son last week. I’m in no hurry to change but I like to have something to aim for in the near future. Which despite having never been a Porsche person growing up now that I am one, I very much want to go deeper down the rabbit hole. The issue is at the kind of price point I’m looking at there are quite a few options all quite similar. In the sort of 100-180k bracket. The current possible list: 991.2 GT3 991.2 GT3 RS 991.1 GT3 RS 992 GT3 GT4 RS Left field idea keep the GT4 get a 488 spider to go alongside it. I sort of feel like it has to be a 911 as I have never had one and you could argue that’s what Porsche is all about. They are similar ish money with technically the same engine? Did things change dramatically between them? The trouble is I don’t really know how to split them as they obviously have a lot in common. Reviews aren’t really helpful as they all get 5 star superlative filled reviews. So what are the key differences? What would you be going for in my shoes? It will be a strictly early morning blast and a few trackday a year car. Very unlikely to be used for road trips. Drive as many cars as you can. I was in a similar position in exiting a GT4 pdk earlier this year but found the 911 options underwhelming after driving various other brands. After being besotted with various 488’s, I ended up going with a Artura. Not something I anticipated, but after a test drive it was an easy choice.

Again in a very similar position to the OP. I have a 13 year old Fiat Panda a 1.1 and I am thinking of changing, budget is £2500. Car will not be for early morning blasts as my dogs don't like going fast. Occasional track days, my be extremely occasional.

cliffords said: Again in a very similar position to the OP. I have a 13 year old Fiat Panda a 1.1 and I am thinking of changing, budget is £2500. Car will not be for early morning blasts as my dogs don't like going fast. Occasional track days, my be extremely occasional. wtf

993rsr said: Come on,. mid-engined Porsche are a very unrewarding experience, you should know that Ha ha! There are mid engined cars and there are CGT’s. If the OP had one of those in his list it would be game over. I like any car that tries its best to kill you some of the time but I really love the CGT because it tries to kill you ALL of the time. Slightly more forgiving now that tyre technology is catching up with the chassis capability.

ntiz said: Apologies if this is the wrong place for this. I’m currently daily driving a 718 GT4 manual which I’m absolutely loving. It’s going to become my second car on the near future with the birth of my second son last week. I’m in no hurry to change but I like to have something to aim for in the near future. Which despite having never been a Porsche person growing up now that I am one, I very much want to go deeper down the rabbit hole. The issue is at the kind of price point I’m looking at there are quite a few options all quite similar. In the sort of 100-180k bracket. The current possible list: 991.2 GT3 991.2 GT3 RS 991.1 GT3 RS 992 GT3 GT4 RS Left field idea keep the GT4 get a 488 spider to go alongside it. I sort of feel like it has to be a 911 as I have never had one and you could argue that’s what Porsche is all about. They are similar ish money with technically the same engine? Did things change dramatically between them? The trouble is I don’t really know how to split them as they obviously have a lot in common. Reviews aren’t really helpful as they all get 5 star superlative filled reviews. So what are the key differences? What would you be going for in my shoes? It will be a strictly early morning blast and a few trackday a year car. Very unlikely to be used for road trips. What a great position to be in. Your budget gives you almost full band width for your shortlist. If you have the smallest inclination on investing then 997.2RS should be added to your menu. IMO the right example will steadily increase in value even against a little annual use !! If residuals turn you off then no brainer……… 991.2 RS , PccB’s, lift, 918’s and leather dash