I have a 2009 cayman with 57K miles and an indie Porsche shop recommended this.
Has anyone done this service? Did it help?
Thanks
what is a BG air and Fuel induction service.? i have been selling parts for over 5 years.. 1st time i have heard of this
Lemon
By is a great product,they have a lot of fuel addetives and power steering flushes,etc.
i think the fuel induction system might be the surf the cleans you induction which after adding the dealer will let the car sit and idle for fuel minutes and it will smoke a lot and clean your induction.
OP, what symptoms are they treating with this service? If none - it's just a profit generator for the shop. I thought I read that Porsche doesn't recommend such additives.
The BG service is for DFI engines it's supposed to clean carbon build up off the back of the intake valves. I think their website shows before and after photos.
Cman21
I would be curious to know how it cleans the back of valves........in a DFI engine.
That's a great question since fuel doesn't flow thru the intake valves on DFI cars. Their website is bgprod.com
I have no affiliation with them. I too would like to better understand how or if this product is worth using.
Cman21
Why the answer is simple, the special product contains a fine grit that will wear away your valves until they no longer seat flush, then during the compression stroke you will get blow-by past the valves and into the intake/exhaust manifolds where their mystery substance will magically clean the backside of your valves. Of course your engine now produces 25hp and smokes like a mother, but hey small price to pay right? :hilarious:
Since first seeing this post I've been trying to think of a witty slogan for BG. Best I can come up with is BIG GAINER for the place that is recommending this "snake oil". As Clint would say "how's it with stains"?
Stumbled upon this thread by accident looking for something and wow I'm kind of shocked at the responses on this thread...not only about BG products but for the induction clean itself.
First, by now there's more than enough independent test etc that I can't believe an administrator above made a comment like that! I'd love to know what abrasives in which product are wearing down the valves...seriously I'm amazed at this post...maybe chemically like how brake cleaner removes oil, grime, and even paint! lol
That said I've been racing since 1999, ASE service manger for 10 years, and now on my 11th year as certified Porsche Brand Ambassador...I will gladly bet my car's title or my child's birth certificate that YES doing an induction clean service is absolutely a great thing to do to any car, especially past 20k miles on any brand. As with any and everything, it depends on where you take it, who does the work, and most importantly if it's done correctly for the specific model car you have (and there's always an exception somewhere too).
ie: the guys laughing about smoking out the shop or neighborhood doing the Seafoam treatment are doing it wrong...in fact Seafoam is a good product if used correctly...just like the BG products that are arguably the best but same difference. Should be a slow IV like drip application over 30mins-1h with minimal smoke.
It's even more important on the newer cars, specifically DFI & turbo motors. As my friend found out the hard way on why some places like Subaru offer "walnut blast" for their WRX.
My latest side project is an older Mazda and while the interior is mint, the single owner grandma never drove it hard and didn't do the maintenance so yeah, I should post pics of the nasty carbon build up in the dual chamber intake manifold (think VTEC but with butterflies to change intake) and EGR valve.
Just saying, while it may not be the same at every shop but yes induction services are absolutely legitimate and I personally recommend them...regardless of who you choose to over/under pay to do the service. 🍻
Most of the post snipped away because it isn't relevant.
I think you missed the age of this thread - it was almost 8 years ago.
The "administrator" who you mentioned is a former administrator here, he was quite active in the boards former version - but hasn't been here in about 18 months now and for the past 3-4 years wasn't really active.
I think what you also missed was perhaps his use of absurdity or sarcasm in trying to make a point. That's ALWAYS a risky thing on the Internet - the reader can't see the body-language clues that normally indicate something being said in jest - and I think you missed that. Not a surprise since (1) you're new here - and that's not how this forum (Planet-9) swings now. (2) Quite possibly you have missed reading more of
@K-Man S
posts. He sometimes did post that way, and people got to know that.
For products like liquid fuel enhancers and injector/valve/cylinder cleaning products - some of the best reviews are on Youtube in videos made by a chap - it's called ProjectFarm (Google will turn it up..) His are real life tests.
I think if you search here a bit you'll find more current discussions about the issues with carbon-fouling of intake valves on direct-injection engines - and what to do about this issue (the consensus seems to be the old fallback to before PEA was available in Techron) - walnut blasting seems the only way to get them really clean.)
Meanwhile, please visit:
New Member Introductions
- and introduce yourself and your Porsche (I assume that's why you're here..) and perhaps read a few of the stickies at the top of that subforum.
Meanwhile -
welcome to Planet-9, the Friendly Porsche Forum (we don't flame..)
I think I'll close this thread - it never resolved anything much useful, and there are much better ones on Planet-9. I'll let it continue its descent into oblivion.