The Porsche White Collection Live Auction Stream - Page 2 - Porsche General - PistonHeads UK

a'happening now https://rmsothebys.com/en/home/live-bidding/wc23

$3.5 million for a 918. Wow.

gred said: $3.5 million for a 918. Wow. It was a rather special one with that custom blue leather interiror. The 2.7 RS's went for some serious money too, one reached 1.5 mil.

$400k + for 911 Club Sport was the stand out figure for me..

Certainly some impressive sales at that auction, good to see some of the air cooled and older "special" Porsche selling at such prices, even if some seemed a little high against comparative offerings available elsewhere? Is this where the smart, enthusiast Porsche money is going to now?

I've only been following the 3.2CS / 944 Cup and 964 3.8RSR ... but values certainly seem to be on the up. For some reason, of the 50+ cars, two "delivery mileage" 964 3.8RSR have sold in recent months at over $2m .... I'm not sure if these represent the value of competition cars ... I'm guessing there are so few that each car will have a value on the day depending upon its unique history ... Whether the above cars will ever be seen outside of a static display in a private or public museum remains to be seen !

Chris, the 2 x White pearl leather clad 964 RSR have been knocking around for about 5-8 years since being discovered in the east, covered in dust!, They have been up for sale quite a few times...... that's what confused me a little about the sale yesterday, some of the cars making big money over and above expectations. As and when I sell my car, I may insist the prospective purchaser drinks 2 bottles of Champagne before we discuss the price?

$434k and it was an American spec car, the European cars have a more powerful engine and are a little lighter due to the Impact Bumper differences ... Production got underway in September 1987. Manufactured between September 1987 and September 1989 only 340 cars were built. All but one of these 53 (UK cars) were finished in Grand Prix White with a red ‘Carrera CS’ decal on each side of the car, along with the red Fuchs wheels. 28 were US-bound cars that featured the standard American-spec, 217bhp engine. Note: European cars were speculated to produce between 240 and 250bhp ... This is a rather unusual European spec car https://www.goodingco.com/lot/1989-porsche-911-car... Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 3rd December 19:10

There was some "enthusiastic" bidding at that auction. Why pay $1 million for a 911R with 20 miles on it when there are others available in Europe with 200km for $350k to 400k? OK, it had a single mass flywheel and a custom interior (the colour of which you may or may not like) and a few other bits and bobs but really 2.5X the market price? The prices for the rare cars like the 3.0RS and the 993 GT2 are high but they were good examples and they reflect their scarcity and classic status so I wouldn't argue. Conclusion: prices of the really rare, pristine stuff has plenty of room to rise from here.

Wow strong prices paid there ..... not sure why but hey , bullish in the extreme . Interesting ...... I have some rare white Porsches . LOL

But weren't they both very late orders outside the initial build specification for either RS or RSR cars ? There is also the ROHR2 car that was built into a spare shell in white ... but with a series vin number ... strange times at Porsche !! Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 3rd December 19:22

ChrisW. said: $434k and it was an American spec car, the European cars have a more powerful engine and are a little lighter due to the Impact Bumper differences ... Production got underway in September 1987. Manufactured between September 1987 and September 1989 only 340 cars were built. All but one of these 53 (UK cars) were finished in Grand Prix White with a red ‘Carrera CS’ decal on each side of the car, along with the red Fuchs wheels. 28 were US-bound cars that featured the standard American-spec, 217bhp engine. Note: European cars were speculated to produce between 240 and 250bhp ... This is a rather unusual European spec car https://www.goodingco.com/lot/1989-porsche-911-car... Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 3rd December 19:10 All but one of the 53… what colour was that 1, and what’s the history on that 1.

hunter 66 said: Wow strong prices paid there ..... not sure why but hey , bullish in the extreme . Interesting ...... I have some rare white Porsches . LOL Seriously, did they put something dodgy in the coffee, or something……. The auctioneer must have done some very clever ego-baiting to get bids at those levels.

maura said: ChrisW. said: $434k and it was an American spec car, the European cars have a more powerful engine and are a little lighter due to the Impact Bumper differences ... Production got underway in September 1987. Manufactured between September 1987 and September 1989 only 340 cars were built. All but one of these 53 (UK cars) were finished in Grand Prix White with a red ‘Carrera CS’ decal on each side of the car, along with the red Fuchs wheels. 28 were US-bound cars that featured the standard American-spec, 217bhp engine. Note: European cars were speculated to produce between 240 and 250bhp ... This is a rather unusual European spec car https://www.goodingco.com/lot/1989-porsche-911-car... Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 3rd December 19:10 All but one of the 53… what colour was that 1, and what’s the history on that 1. The 53 UK rhd CS were white with the red wheels/decals, but one of them was the negative, as in guards red with white wheels and decals, it was in long term ownership and sold with >100k miles about 6 years ago for less £ than they attract now. There were apparently 340 3.2 CS built across Rhd/Lhd, the non UK cars were in various colours without the Carrera CS script down the side, some even had optional sunroofs!!!

clubsport said: The 53 UK rhd CS were white with the red wheels/decals, but one of them was the negative, as in guards red with white wheels and decals, it was in long term ownership and sold with >100k miles about 6 years ago for less £ than they attract now. There were apparently 340 3.2 CS built across Rhd/Lhd, the non UK cars were in various colours without the Carrera CS script down the side, some even had optional sunroofs!!! That would be this one I guess https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-911-carre...

Ones currently for sale https://www.thehairpincompany.co.uk/for-sale/cars/... and https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-911-carre... they look great in black.

clubsport said: maura said: ChrisW. said: $434k and it was an American spec car, the European cars have a more powerful engine and are a little lighter due to the Impact Bumper differences ... Production got underway in September 1987. Manufactured between September 1987 and September 1989 only 340 cars were built. All but one of these 53 (UK cars) were finished in Grand Prix White with a red ‘Carrera CS’ decal on each side of the car, along with the red Fuchs wheels. 28 were US-bound cars that featured the standard American-spec, 217bhp engine. Note: European cars were speculated to produce between 240 and 250bhp ... This is a rather unusual European spec car https://www.goodingco.com/lot/1989-porsche-911-car... Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 3rd December 19:10 All but one of the 53… what colour was that 1, and what’s the history on that 1. The 53 UK rhd CS were white with the red wheels/decals, but one of them was the negative, as in guards red with white wheels and decals, it was in long term ownership and sold with >100k miles about 6 years ago for less £ than they attract now. There were apparently 340 3.2 CS built across Rhd/Lhd, the non UK cars were in various colours without the Carrera CS script down the side, some even had optional sunroofs!!! Agreed ... I saw the red car advertised and enquired ... it had had a certain amount of bodywork and required a little more and I allowed this to colour my judgement. Of course, unless you can find the 6000 mile car that Geneve used to own, they will all have had some bodywork, particularly since many were used for their designed purpose ... The story was also that they did not have the standard anti-corrosion treatment and I have never managed to discover if the 53 UK cars fell into this category, or whether Porsche reading opted out of this for the small weight saving that it offered. Maybe a question for you Paul ?

alps028 said: There was some "enthusiastic" bidding at that auction. Why pay $1 million for a 911R with 20 miles on it when there are others available in Europe with 200km for $350k to 400k? OK, it had a single mass flywheel and a custom interior (the colour of which you may or may not like) and a few other bits and bobs but really 2.5X the market price? US spec car…European cars are no good to US buyers/don’t want them. A 4.0 RS went for huge money at an auction a few months ago, think it was $700k to $800k from memory. You can convert European cars to US spec but it is expensive and it isn’t what the collectors want. If you want a 1of1 delivery mileage 911 R I guess that’s the money you need to pay….at least two people thought it was worth that It probably won’t ever be driven and might not see the light of day again. There are a lot of very big US collectors…only needs two to want a car for this kind of number I guess.

Chris, I know my old 3.2 CS which was a road car had the same underbody treatment as my previous 3.2 Carrera Sport. It was definitely a real CS, on the club register etc! I have seen a UK CS racer that did not have any under arch protection, but have no idea if it came from the factory that way? There were plenty of rumours about the spec of CS over the years.. One thing I could never quite work out and have only seen this in a CS.... The front seats have the comfort seat bases and sport backrests,,, as in a smaller bolster on the seat base than regular sports equipment seats in a 3.2. Also seat colours and trim pattern including piping seemed to offer quite a few options for a car that you could almost exclusively only buy in white. I had it, but not all had the rear luggage deck, flat, carpeted storage compartment where the seats would go in a regular 3.2. I have definitely seen CS without the stroage, maybe that was removed at some point to save weight?

Looking at the German car advertised ... this does not have the rear shelf. The underside has been dry ice cleaned but the ducting in the exhaust area is not as Porsche built it ... one has to wonder why ? Mine does have the rear shelf and I had alway thought it a defining feature rather like the 986CS ... as for weight stripping, if going that route it would surely have been a lot more than just the rear parcel shelf ? I have the Porsche summary of modifications ... far fewer than for the later 964RS but I guess that was a far more determined effort leading as it did into the one make series' of the 964 Cup etc etc. I guess it's also to be expected on short production runs that there may be some substitutions in the parts bin ... ?

Cheib said: alps028 said: There was some "enthusiastic" bidding at that auction. Why pay $1 million for a 911R with 20 miles on it when there are others available in Europe with 200km for $350k to 400k? OK, it had a single mass flywheel and a custom interior (the colour of which you may or may not like) and a few other bits and bobs but really 2.5X the market price? US spec car…European cars are no good to US buyers/don’t want them. A 4.0 RS went for huge money at an auction a few months ago, think it was $700k to $800k from memory. You can convert European cars to US spec but it is expensive and it isn’t what the collectors want. If you want a 1of1 delivery mileage 911 R I guess that’s the money you need to pay….at least two people thought it was worth that It probably won’t ever be driven and might not see the light of day again. There are a lot of very big US collectors…only needs two to want a car for this kind of number I guess. The exclusive interior is very impressive. [url] |https://thumbsnap.com/R3JYWuCe[/url]

ChrisW. said: Looking at the German car advertised ... this does not have the rear shelf. The underside has been dry ice cleaned but the ducting in the exhaust area is not as Porsche built it ... one has to wonder why ? Mine does have the rear shelf and I had alway thought it a defining feature rather like the 986CS ... as for weight stripping, if going that route it would surely have been a lot more than just the rear parcel shelf ? I have the Porsche summary of modifications ... far fewer than for the later 964RS but I guess that was a far more determined effort leading as it did into the one make series' of the 964 Cup etc etc. I guess it's also to be expected on short production runs that there may be some substitutions in the parts bin ... ? Don't forget, this was the late '80's. the CS was not an easy sell when most customers wanted a fully loaded car. I think Porsche were testing the market with the CS, so it made no sense to overdevelop the car, if there was not much demand for it. As a consequence of this the CS was cheaper to buy in the UK when new than the regular Carrera coupe! Having owned both variants of 3.2, at current prices I would own a nice 3.2 Carrera Sport.

clubsport said: Don't forget, this was the late '80's. the CS was not an easy sell when most customers wanted a fully loaded car. I think Porsche were testing the market with the CS, so it made no sense to overdevelop the car, if there was not much demand for it. As a consequence of this the CS was cheaper to buy in the UK when new than the regular Carrera coupe! Those innocent days before they realised they could charge more for less.

I owned a very nice 3.2 Jubilee for a few years which was obviously a very high spec car and personally prefer the Clubsport ... there weren't many Jubilees used on track Were Sports ? Mark Sumpter reckoned also that they really weren't promoted by Porsche because the dealers preferred to sell the more expensive car ... the same with the 968CS versus the 968 sport (although most 968 CS's had a sunroof !!) But Porsche obviously had a reason to produce the Clubsport and with some effort, even though this was the end of the line for the Impact Bumper cars ... the 964 and 993 following very quickly afterwards before being succeeded in 1997 by the 996 which was completely different (other than GT3 engines ... ) ...

ChrisW. said: I owned a very nice 3.2 Jubilee for a few years which was obviously a very high spec car and personally prefer the Clubsport ... there weren't many Jubilees used on track Were Sports ? I also preferred the CS over the sport, I am not keen on unnecessary fripperies in a car! The thing is when I bought my CS in 2000, they were trading just above a nice 3.2 Sport by about £3-5k due the rarity, at this time CS were priced between £20-25k for the best examples. The reason I said I would by a sport now is that the price delta is considerable, having been there, as nice as it is I don't think a CS is worth almost double the value of a nice usable sport, Obviously collections have a baring on values, 1 of 53 UK cars etc... In the late '90's - early '00's when UK trackdays started to become more popular, there were plenty of SC & Carrera Sports on PCGB trackdays. I remember 3 CS on one day at Combe and even found another UK CS while lapping the Nordschliefe in my own car!

All understood ... I came on the scene rather later with my 964RS when they were £35k !! I agree that the value of cars compared purely to the driver experience is always a challenge. You only have to look at the latest EVO car of the year results to realise this ...

ChrisW. said: This is a rather unusual European spec car https://www.goodingco.com/lot/1989-porsche-911-car... Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 3rd December 19:10 Love that fantastic colour,always been a fan of the CS just wish I bought in when they were £25k!

fwiw sales recap here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAstBfPeTVs