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YOUR RESEARCHDeal is done, my 2002 C4S for 2001 911 Turbo!
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Since you got a CPO did you have the car inspected by an indep.
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by that I mean they are not a bunch of "slick used car sales guys".
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I hope you also checked the carfax for a periscope
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I have already talked to a few other private sellers and there are definately some clean 2002 C4s available with low (under 20K) mileage for around $48-50K.
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I have already talked to a few other private sellers and there are definately some clean 2002 C4s available with low (under 20K) mileage for around $48-50K.
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Tim from Parktown Porsche called me at the end of the business day today -- he said man, you broke us.
They are giving me $50,000 trade in on my C4S and selling me the 2001 Black 911 Turbo with 20k miles for $65,500 WITH CPO!!!!
The only thing is it has to pass a PPI and it's MY CAR!!!
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http://law.wustl.edu/gant/911twinturbo.htm
Congrats! And the best part is that I was not involved this time
No more feeling bad everytime I see a headlight post
Have fun and come back and see us!
Welcome to the dark side!
Edit: Wait, really, an '01? I was under the impression '01s can no longer be CPO'ed because it's been more than 5 years since delivery date (unless it sat on the lot until May '02?). Very strange. Is it possible it was already CPO and they've just been sitting on it?
you're going to miss having a silver car! but the GT1 block will definitely ease the pain.
Can't believe how good the pricing on those TT's have become.
Saw an immaculate 02 tip on fleabay with less than 30K miles for under 60K and it didn't sell!
Give it a year and I'll have Pcar #2 in the stable. GT1 964 race block with a dry sump or bust.
Here's some pics. I still can't believe they did this deal. I mean, $50k trade-in on my C4S. Unreal!!! I'm also glad I don't have to travel. It's nice to finally have a relationship with the Local Porsche-dealer.
Just picked it up, taking it to get PPI first thing in the AM. Then back to the dealer to settle up.
Its hard to get used to. The clutch comes out late, compared to mine. Anyhow, I was just putt-putting down the highway at 65 with other cars. Hit the gas and it just takes off like a rocket....and the power is so smooth and quiet.
I'm gonna have fun getting used to this.
Beautiful!!! BUT you got to do some modding on the inside!! Too much caramel color...start adding some black or CF.
I have to say....you are a lucky man!! the P looks like new!!
congrats on the new ride...sweet indeed. you're old car looks a lot like my new car! The ease of modding the engine is awesome...wonder if the CPO holds up with a chip? hmmmmm.
Awesome Gant....congrats! And FWIW, don't listen to them when they say "you broke us". They made out just as good as you did. They can bring up the trade-in to let you feel like you got a smokinh deal on the trade and then drop a couple K off the price of the Turbo. It all just comes down to what they were into the car for and how much they were looking for in profit. I was offered 40K trade on my05 Cayenne V6 that is worth about 28-32 on trade when I was at the dealer last month as long as I purchased a car from them with a minimal discount on a preowned TT Cayenne. Makes you really wonder how much they got it for at (a)auction or (b)how much they screwed the previous guy on trade-in. EITHER WAY YOU WIN!!!! Glad to see you got a car that you are really excited about and doesn't have the sub feautre
You are going to love the reliability of the GT1 block. Just a breath of fresh air after coming from the M96 motor in the non-GT/TT 996 line.
Happy Motoring!
Congratulations Gant! This is truly a wonderful car. Glad that now the P dealer has to sell your C4S. I'm sure he'll put a price tag of at least $55K on it; Hmmm don't I recall this amount from somewhere?
Congrats Grant, enjoy the car in good health. The car looks incredible and I love the color combo.
I have also contemplated selling my 2000 C2 and buying a 996TT. I can't wait to hear your impressions of the car, they just may push me over the edge to do the upgrade myself.
I hate to lose someone in the C4S family, but that's a sweet ride.
I hope you can find somewhere to drive it - when I was in St. Louis last week cruising I-70, I must've passed 3 cops hiding under bridges shooting radar guns.
I'm thinking you'll be needing to post bail in about 3 days, hope you have a good bailbonds place close.
And Phil, I don't think a 997TT would make you drive another 100 miles a month, you'd be too scared of Starbucks confrontations!
Nice car, I like the color combo. 1st claim on the CPO... your climate control is reading Lu, not Lo. Looks like the LEDs are out, a common problem.
Enjoy the car!
More good news. Warrantydirect.com is sending me a refund of $1400 for the unused portion of the warranty. So, when all is said-and-done, I'm getting $51400 for the C4S.
OK, so I was back in the market for a 996 (my deal on one fell through Friday due to no PSM on the car) and responded to an autotrader ad. Low and behold it was Gant's car!
I was about to offer him $50K, but he decided to trade for this TT. Just called the dealer and told them I'm interested. They are in the process of trying to get the car CPO'd.
So here's the question. How much do you think a CPO is worth? I have already talked to a few other private sellers and there are definately some clean 2002 C4s available with low (under 20K) mileage for around $48-50K. Should I offer $52K on this car, knowing it's really clean and will have a CPO. My guess is the dealer will want more.
Any thoughts?
Yeah, but what they paid for it and what they "really" gave for trade-in based on what they were into the Turbo is the real number we need to know. That would be million dollar insider info. Regardless, I'd offer 52K (the "50" they gave Gant and 2K for the CPO).
....must resist......must resist.....no talk of pricing........must resist.......
they will list it for $57-59k. probably can't get too much off. the problem is, as long as someone is willing to pay that amount (which is likely), knowing what they paid will do no good. btw, CPO typically adds $2K.
The problem is we have NO IDEA what they would have let the Turbo go for without a trade-in. That's magic number. I have no doubt if somebody walked in tomorrow with 52K and hgave them 24 hours to decide they would take it and still be making money off that deal AND the deal Gant closed.
...well, if we say that they let the Turbo go to Gant for $52K and they were asking $70K, then by that logic, they will ask for closer to mid-sixties for the C4S.
Actually you are going the wrong direction. By discounting the TT to what they would let it go for they would have to decrease the trade-in by that as well. That would put it in the 40's. Remember the magic difference was 15K out the door. So they let the TT go for ~65 with a 50K trade-in. So, if the TT would have gone out the door for 60K which I have NO DOUBT it would then the trade-in would have been 45 or less.
Excuse me guys but I have some troubles with the translation. My english is a bit basic and there are lots of technical abbreviation that I couldn't understand.
What's the meaning of "CPO" ?
I'm pretty confident that I put the screws 2 'em, and good! I waited them out through intense negotiation that lasted a full day with phone calls back-and-forth, and ended up with me telling them NOT to even call me back unless they would swing about $3k to my ballpark -- so then ended at a stale-mate.
They called me back 2 days later and capitulated, and I bought the car at the last hour of the last day of a month that was very bad for them. They even told me, only way we can do this deal is if we get the paper-work in by tonite. No deposit for tomorrow etc..
I could tell that the business manager was NOT happy letting the car go for that price WITH CPO. The finance manager did NOT know it was CPO. When I corrected him, he had to ask and was floored that I got the car CPO'd for that price.
I then refused to pay the $250 Doc-fee, he lowered it to $75.00
All-in-all, I'm happy iwth my deal and negotiating skills.
I think thats a great buy, congrats! Glad you got the deal done. Adding some black in the interior would go a long way, me thinks
Steering wheel and console would add great contrast. Lets see some more images!!
Congrats on the car Gant. It's a beauty.
I thinik we both bought our C4S' at the same time last year (July 06). In those 10 months, you've had 3 p-cars, two C4S' and now a Turbo. Wow, I thought I change cars often.
So when does the Turbo get traded in on a 997S?
Gant: Great looking car. By the pics it looks like the interior is in great shape and that the previous owner took care of that car. I have a question though. Can you only get CPO from a P-car dealership? What does the CPO cover? Since you got a CPO did you have the car inspected by an indep. shop.?
Again congrats.
(We won't count "the sub". That was just a month-long, free test car.)
I was going to get a 997S this time, but then I drove a 996TT, 997S does not compare. The 996TT is the only choice (IMO). The best way I can explain it is this. The 997S feels like the next evolution of the 996 and just does everything better. The 996TT feels like a SUPERCAR, it's in it's own class. It's that simple. DO NOT DRIVE THE 996TT. It will make you HAVE TO HAVE ONE. TRUST ME!
Like a QB who just won the Superbowl. I can't think about next season yet, I need to take some time and enjoy this win!!
Anyhow, if I do try to look into the future, here's the way it looks from here, now -- my new turbo will be in the stable for longer then other past cars.
I have been reading in the TT forums and most think the price has bottomed out on the TT's. So, 4 years, I'll sell 'er and look at 997TT's. That's the plan.
Gant-Congrats on going all the way for the TT. TTs are a beast of a machine. You will always have a smile when in that car.
Simon complemented you ha. LOL!
Maybe you don't count "the sub" as one of your cars, but WE certainly do!
I know that (the sub) was a difficult ordeal for you and I am glad you got that worked out. But we can't ignore it because after it you did get it settled, it was fodder for a few good natured jokes. I think you have taken all of that kidding very well, and I commend you for that.
Finally, as for your new TT, I can only say this...
What's with the "***" slur?
Come on Gant, you should know better. Call him a jackass, a loser, or whatever, but seriously, that is just perpetuating divide in this country.
Nice job Gant...I'm a deal junkie so I know how good it feels to get a great car and a great deal...nice.
For what it's worth, I do like dealing with Parktown as well. They seem to be fair and they don't have a bunch of goombas working there... by that I mean they are not a bunch of "slick used car sales guys". I used to deal with Mindy, but I think she recently left.
Right on. I've always liked Parktown. Tim Devine was my salesman. He told me he had to completely focus on working the sales-manager to get them to buy my car for what I wanted. He really came through.
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