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RDMcG said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ppSjVmWTpw I have always fancied one of these personally...very rare too. Me too I remember re them being for sale as low as £45k Paul

I was looking to buy a 996 GT3 in 2018/19 and I just could not find a nice one, every one I drove looked lovely but was slow, clunky and the engine was just not special. So I concluded even through the looked immaculate and history good probably too much track time I drove 4 cars before thinking are these just not that great ? I then drove a 5k mile as new 996 GT3 RS and actually concluded they are not for me, just not great as far as I can wok out. seemed slow, not that willing to rev, I have had a number of GT cars and have a 991.1 GT3 ad modded 997.2 C2 and had a 964 RS for 10 years. Weird !

I have always fancied one of these personally...very rare too.

Not wishing to be critical, but did Chris really say anything ??? Only around 600 of these were manufactured so they are rare things ... but the UK ended up with around 130 of them (110 rhd and the rest lhd ?) ... The engines were reputed to be around 400bhp ... single mass flywheel where the GT3 was dual ... and I'm sure there was a fair amount more difference from the "ordinary" GT3.

ChrisW. said: Not wishing to be critical, but did Chris really say anything ??? Only around 600 of these were manufactured so they are rare things ... but the UK ended up with around 130 of them (110 rhd and the rest lhd ?) ... The engines were reputed to be around 400bhp ... single mass flywheel where the GT3 was dual ... and I'm sure there was a fair amount more difference from the "ordinary" GT3. He did Chris, but what he said wasn't particularly accurate or insightful... The 996 GT3 RS used what were effectively 997.1 GT3 cylinder heads, which one imagines had larger ports and utilised the smaller spark plugs seen in the 997.1 GT3 engine. The engines were more powerful, several owners on here have dyno'd them at 400hp + and the ram/cold air ducts on the engine cover are supposed to give further improvements in power production at higher speeds. The 996 GT3 RS front suspension uprights are basically the two clamp bolt 997.1 GT3 steel brake items. The RS rear uprights are different, as are the rear subframe side sections. All parts optimised for running the race cars as low as possible whilst gaining improved geometry suitable for the large cambers required but avoiding the bumpsteer issues the Mk1 and 2 cars suffered when lowered drastically for circuit use, but it has to be said all the modifications are pretty pointless on a road car. So it could be said the RS was a true homologation special from that perspective.

ChrisW. said: Not wishing to be critical, but did Chris really say anything ??? Only around 600 of these were manufactured so they are rare things ... but the UK ended up with around 130 of them (110 rhd and the rest lhd ?) ... The engines were reputed to be around 400bhp ... single mass flywheel where the GT3 was dual ... and I'm sure there was a fair amount more difference from the "ordinary" GT3. All this ^^^^^. Just a quick Wiki search shows better info than Chris H mentions. Even this video video is better.

ChrisW. said: Not wishing to be critical, but did Chris really say anything ??? Personally I'm not surprised. He seemingly has no other option right now. He used to be a journalist & reviewer. Admired & respected. Then Top Gear happened, he was typecast as the driving geek, but he retained credibility as his reviews were still honest and open. Collecting Cars comes along, and he's playing a bit part in that, using his 'stardom' as a lever, but still totally independent and honest. Top Gear comes to an unexpected end, then... By his own admission, Chris had to find income from somewhere, CC is the low hanging fruit, so he becomes front & centre in collecting cars where he is talking about cars, but outside of the podcast its cars he is trying to sell. This IMO has resulted in him waxing lyrical about everything, regardless. A few weeks ago on the podcast they were talking about how the silver GT2 had just sold, but only just, and outside of auction. Chris said he felt annoyed becasue they "threw everything at it". That tells you all you need to know about his motives behind the CC car vids. Llandow Laps could be great, but it's not a money maker for them, so IMO it feels very token. I think Chris is between a rock and a hard place right now, so none of the above is a criticism, I just find the video content all very one dimensional and a far cry from when he was Chris Harris on cars https://www.youtube.com/@ChrisHarrisonCars/videos

Adrian-9iafn said: I was looking to buy a 996 GT3 in 2018/19 and I just could not find a nice one, every one I drove looked lovely but was slow, clunky and the engine was just not special. So I concluded even through the looked immaculate and history good probably too much track time I drove 4 cars before thinking are these just not that great ? I then drove a 5k mile as new 996 GT3 RS and actually concluded they are not for me, just not great as far as I can wok out. seemed slow, not that willing to rev, I have had a number of GT cars and have a 991.1 GT3 ad modded 997.2 C2 and had a 964 RS for 10 years. Weird ! Not weird at all, I know exactly where you are coming from. I had a red RS. Had a very narrow setup window but if you got it right, was fun in isolation however not especially quick.

Slippydiff said: ChrisW. said: Not wishing to be critical, but did Chris really say anything ??? Only around 600 of these were manufactured so they are rare things ... but the UK ended up with around 130 of them (110 rhd and the rest lhd ?) ... The engines were reputed to be around 400bhp ... single mass flywheel where the GT3 was dual ... and I'm sure there was a fair amount more difference from the "ordinary" GT3. He did Chris, but what he said wasn't particularly accurate or insightful... The 996 GT3 RS used what were effectively 997.1 GT3 cylinder heads, which one imagines had larger ports and utilised the smaller spark plugs seen in the 997.1 GT3 engine. The engines were more powerful, several owners on here have dyno'd them at 400hp + and the ram/cold air ducts on the engine cover are supposed to give further improvements in power production at higher speeds. The 996 GT3 RS front suspension uprights are basically the two clamp bolt 997.1 GT3 steel brake items. The RS rear uprights are different, as are the rear subframe side sections. All parts optimised for running the race cars as low as possible whilst gaining improved geometry suitable for the large cambers required but avoiding the bumpsteer issues the Mk1 and 2 cars suffered when lowered drastically for circuit use, but it has to be said all the modifications are pretty pointless on a road car. So it could be said the RS was a true homologation special from that perspective. Thanks Slippy ... of course the 996 gen1 GT3 homologated the 2000 + GT3R endurance racers and the 996 gen 2 GT3RS homologated the 2004 model GT3RSR. It's so interesting that Porsche really could not decide on their nomenclature ... so 996 GT3 Clubsport homologates the GT3R and 996 GT3RS homologates the GT3RSR ... and for ever more !

AndrewD said: Adrian-9iafn said: I was looking to buy a 996 GT3 in 2018/19 and I just could not find a nice one, every one I drove looked lovely but was slow, clunky and the engine was just not special. So I concluded even through the looked immaculate and history good probably too much track time I drove 4 cars before thinking are these just not that great ? I then drove a 5k mile as new 996 GT3 RS and actually concluded they are not for me, just not great as far as I can wok out. seemed slow, not that willing to rev, I have had a number of GT cars and have a 991.1 GT3 ad modded 997.2 C2 and had a 964 RS for 10 years. Weird ! Not weird at all, I know exactly where you are coming from. I had a red RS. Had a very narrow setup window but if you got it right, was fun in isolation however not especially quick. I liked mine ... it did feel special and it was fast by comparison the my other cars of the time. Porsche were feeling their way, setting the scene for much more special metal and creating a new sub-brand ... GT3.

That’s a blast from the past, good looking motors too.

I do agree as Chis Harris is now selling or motivated to sell the cars, he will have the conflict of interest when he keeps enthusing about how great they are. At some point his 'independent' review will be called into question and his view of the car will no longer count for very much, a delicate line to tread. I've already started to discount his opinion on collecting cars. I like Chris and he has a very worthwhile opinion, I hope he doesn't stray too far into 'selling' and compromise his independence

I do get the conflict ,and in a way I regret the old days when he was just an independent reviewer In 2006 I read a review he did in Total 911 of the then new 997 RS. It very much caused me to want one and I did manage to score one at the time. In 2011 ( I think ) I was at the N24 and he was part of a group of journos driving a 997.2 RS in the race which was similar to my then new RS. After the race I was in the Pistenklause in Nürburg and had a beer or two with him. Very regular guy, no BS. Of course he is now selllng, That being said he made the point that the RS was not much different than the GT3. However, they are rare as there was no North American model so only 500 or so were made. I have later cars that are naturally better but this is a bit foundational even if its a sticker upgrade. Wish I had bought one when they were unfashionable.

I also like him. He is a very good driver hence invited to do things which could always go wrong, ... which I think you can see in the videos at Llandau. Always in the wet (so far?)... often owners cars with what? tyres ... Chris' choice of his own cars has been very interesting ... and when doing what he likes I think he's very good. It's just hard for him to be in two 'places' at once ... I came across him at Croft ... he was racing a GT3 Cup car possibly as a preparation for his N24 debut ? He turned up in a very interesting Mercedes that he was very happy to talk about ... the common language being cars

kmpowell said: ChrisW. said: Not wishing to be critical, but did Chris really say anything ??? Personally I'm not surprised. He seemingly has no other option right now. He used to be a journalist & reviewer. Admired & respected. Then Top Gear happened, he was typecast as the driving geek, but he retained credibility as his reviews were still honest and open. Collecting Cars comes along, and he's playing a bit part in that, using his 'stardom' as a lever, but still totally independent and honest. Top Gear comes to an unexpected end, then... By his own admission, Chris had to find income from somewhere, CC is the low hanging fruit, so he becomes front & centre in collecting cars where he is talking about cars, but outside of the podcast its cars he is trying to sell. This IMO has resulted in him waxing lyrical about everything, regardless. A few weeks ago on the podcast they were talking about how the silver GT2 had just sold, but only just, and outside of auction. Chris said he felt annoyed becasue they "threw everything at it". That tells you all you need to know about his motives behind the CC car vids. Llandow Laps could be great, but it's not a money maker for them, so IMO it feels very token. I think Chris is between a rock and a hard place right now, so none of the above is a criticism, I just find the video content all very one dimensional and a far cry from when he was Chris Harris on cars https://www.youtube.com/@ChrisHarrisonCars/videos I've been thinking the same.

I had a red one from new, took it for a dyno session with a bunch of other owners before a track day and they were all 370-380bhp. Will see if I have still have the print out of mine.

Rolling roads are all different ... the standard GT3 was I recall rated at 381bhp ... was it a warm or a cool day ? Were they fully run-in ?? A quote I believe from Evo comparing the 992 GT3RS to the 996 GT3RS ...

20 years ago (?) at a Porsche track day and the place was flooded with these both red and blue! Might still have a pic somewhere. TX.

Terminator X said: 20 years ago (?) at a Porsche track day and the place was flooded with these both red and blue! Might still have a pic somewhere. TX. Yep the weapon of choice remember it well. Some folks started off with the M3 CSL but the GT3/RS with the mods Manthey started offering upped the anti. Superb cars and very robust. My old K440 GT3

kmpowell said: Personally I'm not surprised. He seemingly has no other option right now. He used to be a journalist & reviewer. Admired & respected. Then Top Gear happened, he was typecast as the driving geek, but he retained credibility as his reviews were still honest and open. Collecting Cars comes along, and he's playing a bit part in that, using his 'stardom' as a lever, but still totally independent and honest. Top Gear comes to an unexpected end, then... By his own admission, Chris had to find income from somewhere, CC is the low hanging fruit, so he becomes front & centre in collecting cars where he is talking about cars, but outside of the podcast its cars he is trying to sell. This IMO has resulted in him waxing lyrical about everything, regardless. A few weeks ago on the podcast they were talking about how the silver GT2 had just sold, but only just, and outside of auction. Chris said he felt annoyed becasue they "threw everything at it". That tells you all you need to know about his motives behind the CC car vids. Llandow Laps could be great, but it's not a money maker for them, so IMO it feels very token. I think Chris is between a rock and a hard place right now, so none of the above is a criticism, I just find the video content all very one dimensional and a far cry from when he was Chris Harris on cars https://www.youtube.com/@ChrisHarrisonCars/videos Agree with this, needs to earn a living and is basically in a Sales/Influencer role and good luck to him. Personally, I think he's a real talent, but as you say, stuck at moment. Really hope something comes through, in some other guise as his journo and driving talents are wasted peddling for an Auction House. Carved out a niche there though, CC would feel it big time if he left. Hope he makes most of it.

Hardly a sticker upgrade. The 6RS had so many costly upgrades that it was the only 911 that Porsche actually sold at a loss. Lazily put together film.

I had understood the 996RS was closer to the 996 than any other GT3 version, essentially a GT3 with a number of relatively minor tweaks to shell, suspension, gearbox etc. More build detail than a fundamentally different car underneath ? a 20-30kg saving and more track focussed build ?

It is quite usual for Porsche to offer insight (or test ?) in a gen2 what was potentially to appear in the next generation. Hence even with the limited number of 996.1 GT3CS that the later cars had Gen2 electric mirrors and a couple of other features which I now forget ! It is of course also possible that they just ran out of the earlier parts and wanted to build more cars ... The 996.2 GT3RS was different enough to be the homologation vehicle for the 2004 GT3RSR endurance racers ... clearly neither the 996.1CS which had homologated the 1999/2000 GT3R nor the 996.2 GT3 were able to do this ...

Adrian-9iafn said: I had understood the 996RS was closer to the 996 than any other GT3 version, essentially a GT3 with a number of relatively minor tweaks to shell, suspension, gearbox etc. More build detail than a fundamentally different car underneath ? a 20-30kg saving and more track focussed build ? https://rennlist.com/forums/996-gt2-gt3-forum/807524-the-ok-exactly-what-is-in-a-996-gt3-rs-thread.html Edited by Slippydiff on Thursday 4th April 10:43

Steve Rance said: Hardly a sticker upgrade. The 6RS had so many costly upgrades that it was the only 911 that Porsche actually sold at a loss. Lazily put together film. Actually I think maybe you were there for the dyno and track day. All a bit hazy now as it was about 20 years ago. Pretty sure it was Bedford for the track day. Anyway, I liked mine, felt very special but not brilliant on the road as it constantly pulled to the camber, although now that analogue feel would be sought after.

love the 996 gt3 rs, i believe the blue was an option but rarely taken up so very few rhd blue rs. Chris Harris as an independent car guy.... well i have always found even from early days there was always a motive or sponsor lurking but good luck to him, he is making a living. And i bet he enjoys his days better than i do when at work

It was in here… from 4m05

What a great video ... 673 cars and the first 200 were special ... they only expected to make 200 (which had engine improvements to the cylinder heads) ... and kept on taking orders until they ran out of parts and the tools were shot. So why aren't they worth as much as the 997 Gt3R 4.0 ??

ChrisW. said: What a great video ... 673 cars and the first 200 were special ... they only expected to make 200 (which had engine improvements to the cylinder heads) ... and kept on taking orders until they ran out of parts and the tools were shot. So why aren't they worth as much as the 997 Gt3R 4.0 ?? They seem to have come up in value. I have some later cars, but the 996 never came to North America officially so they are even rarer here. I do think values will increase further.

Initial GT3RS say 2001 engines had issues as many blew , hence hard to find a matching numbers car ( Just sold my Friesinger car which was ) . They also used a pint of oil and hour generally , hence the oil level gauge in the rear quarter window . This is possibly why hiomologation of new parts was needed ?

The homologated parts were mainly the suspension pick up points and front hubs. Specifically to reduce bump steer issues that the early RS race cars suffered from. The revised pick ups were later translated into the 997GT3. There were a lot of revisions to the RS over the Gen 2 GT3. The character of the car was more race car for the road rather than road car for the track. As such it is very sensitive to set up changes. This initially caused problems as most OPC’s did not understand this and many cars were sent out with a ‘there or there abouts’ set up which translated into a twitchy and unpredictable car leading to owners being intimidated by the car. With a good set up these cars are sublime to drive on the road as well as the track. I remember During the time that I was racing a 996 cup, driving my 6RS to the dealership for an MOT and being struck by how similar it was to drive. It felt like Almost the same car. Quieter and more civilised but essentially the same. Certainly not the case when comparing the 997RS to the 997 Cup. I think that the 996RS represents the closest meeting point between a road going GT3 and the Cup version. All 996GT3’s are brilliant cars but the RS is something very special. It remains to this day the best 911 that I have ever driven Edited by Steve Rance on Friday 5th April 18:53

ChrisW. said: The 996.2 GT3RS was different enough to be the homologation vehicle for the 2004 GT3RSR endurance racers ... clearly neither the 996.1CS which had homologated the 1999/2000 GT3R nor the 996.2 GT3 were able to do this ... Preuninger mentioned in a video which I think he did with Harris that the first 200 996 GT3 RS’s had a slightly different engine spec for the purpose of homologation. It was the video where they walked round a warehouse will all the Preuninger era GT cars talking about most of the cars individually. Might have been when they launched 991.2. Edited by Cheib on Friday 5th April 19:58

Steve Rance said: The homologated parts were mainly the suspension pick up points and front hubs. Specifically to reduce bump steer issues that the early RS race cars suffered from. The revised pick ups were later translated into the 997GT3. There were a lot of revisions to the RS over the Gen 2 GT3. The character of the car was more race car for the road rather than road car for the track. As such it is very sensitive to set up changes. This initially caused problems as most OPC’s did not understand this and many cars were sent out with a ‘there or there abouts’ set up which translated into a twitchy and unpredictable car leading to owners being intimidated by the car. With a good set up these cars are sublime to drive on the road as well as the track. I remember During the time that I was racing a 996 cup, driving my 6RS to the dealership for an MOT and being struck by how similar it was to drive. It felt like Almost the same car. Quieter and more civilised but essentially the same. Certainly not the case when comparing the 997RS to the 997 Cup. I think that the 996RS represents the closest meeting point between a road going GT3 and the Cup version. All 996GT3’s are brilliant cars but the RS is something very special. It remains to this day the best 911 that I have ever driven Ahem, bar one obviously Steve …

Ha! The Baked bean is an impressive beast Slippy. Needs the brakes on it that you specified ( previous owner fitted oem which wasn’t a good plan) and the set up needs sharpening. Then it will be essentially the RSR that you remember.

Doesn’t Harris have a commercial stake in CC? I actually really enjoy their Addicts podcast. I fear the days of completely impartial car reviews are gone anyway, on all platforms, everyone seems to have an agenda these days.

Slippydiff said: Ahem, bar one obviously Steve … Hi Steve , are you bringing your RS race car out to play .......had to sell my Freisinger sadly .

Steve Rance said: Hardly a sticker upgrade. The 6RS had so many costly upgrades that it was the only 911 that Porsche actually sold at a loss. Lazily put together film. This

Slippydiff said: Adrian-9iafn said: I had understood the 996RS was closer to the 996 than any other GT3 version, essentially a GT3 with a number of relatively minor tweaks to shell, suspension, gearbox etc. More build detail than a fundamentally different car underneath ? a 20-30kg saving and more track focussed build ? https://rennlist.com/forums/996-gt2-gt3-forum/807524-the-ok-exactly-what-is-in-a-996-gt3-rs-thread.html Edited by Slippydiff on Thursday 4th April 10:43 Thanks, but looking through the long list I'm not sure what's different, it looks like a lot of necessary build parts, not unique parts ? a large number are actually stickers ! Are these difference to the GT3 ?

ChrisW. said: Not wishing to be critical, but did Chris really say anything ??? Only around 600 of these were manufactured so they are rare things ... but the UK ended up with around 130 of them (110 rhd and the rest lhd ?) ... The engines were reputed to be around 400bhp ... single mass flywheel where the GT3 was dual ... and I'm sure there was a fair amount more difference from the "ordinary" GT3. At least he didn't use the term "motor car" every 30 seconds.

Adrian-9iafn said: Thanks, but looking through the long list I'm not sure what's different, it looks like a lot of necessary build parts, not unique parts ? a large number are actually stickers ! Are these difference to the GT3 ? Slippydiff said: The 996 GT3 RS used what were effectively 997.1 GT3 cylinder heads, which one imagines had larger ports and utilised the smaller spark plugs seen in the 997.1 GT3 engine. The engines were more powerful, several owners on here have dyno'd them at 400hp + and the ram/cold air ducts on the engine cover are supposed to give further improvements in power production at higher speeds. The 996 GT3 RS front suspension uprights are basically the two clamp bolt 997.1 GT3 steel brake items. The RS rear uprights are different, as are the rear subframe side sections. All parts optimised for running the race cars as low as possible whilst gaining improved geometry suitable for the large cambers required but avoiding the bumpsteer issues the Mk1 and 2 cars suffered when lowered drastically for circuit use, but it has to be said all the modifications are pretty pointless on a road car. So it could be said the RS was a true homologation special from that perspective. More detail here : https://rennlist.com/forums/996-gt2-gt3-forum/1044...

This is completely anecdotal but my own mk 2 996 GT3 had a particularly healthy engine. I wonder if it had the same cylinder heads as the RS? I thought the air ducts on the engine cover of the RS were for aero reasons and not power (the RS radiator was slightly canted to position it for the airflow IIRC but my memory may be playing tricks). My car was heavily track biased (closer to Cup spec than RS) and I had the RS engine cover so perhaps this helped as well. There were many occasions on track where its straight line speed surprised other drivers. I recall a Ferrari 430 owner asking me what engine upgrades after he struggled to keep up on the main straight at the Dubai Autodrome (answer: nothing) and a 550 owner being especially miffed which was particularly satisfying. After that latter altercation, public track days at the Dubai Autodrome separated Ferraris from Porsches just to keep the peace.

You don’t need to run the ride height of a 6RS stupidly low to feel the geometry benefits. The rolling radius of an 18inch wheel with a 35 sidewall tyre is much lower than an 18 running slicks. We couldn’t run slicks on the sharpest RS road set up because they wouldn’t fit under the arches. That makes the benefit window relatively accessible for the road car. I’ve driven probably close to 1000 laps in all versions 996GT3’s in a wide range of suspension hardware and set ups and the RS is substantially better when compared to other 6 GT3’s when similarly optimised. It feels like a different car

Harris_I said: This is completely anecdotal but my own mk 2 996 GT3 had a particularly healthy engine. I wonder if it had the same cylinder heads as the RS? I thought the air ducts on the engine cover of the RS were for aero reasons and not power (the RS radiator was slightly canted to position it for the airflow IIRC but my memory may be playing tricks). My car was heavily track biased (closer to Cup spec than RS) and I had the RS engine cover so perhaps this helped as well. There were many occasions on track where its straight line speed surprised other drivers. I recall a Ferrari 430 owner asking me what engine upgrades after he struggled to keep up on the main straight at the Dubai Autodrome (answer: nothing) and a 550 owner being especially miffed which was particularly satisfying. After that latter altercation, public track days at the Dubai Autodrome separated Ferraris from Porsches just to keep the peace. The 996 GT3 RS road car radiator wasn’t equipped with the chimney required to duct hot air up and out of the vents on the top surface of the front bumper and over the bonnet. Unlike the GT2 which was equipped with the required chimney.

Love the 6RS - even more so when it comes with blue stripes and wheels ;-) Had one of the most enjoyable days on track with a somehwat modded one at Ascari. What a brilliant piece of kit this car is

There's someone on our WhatsApp 996 GT3 group who is updating his with RS suspension parts.

PRO5T said: There's someone on our WhatsApp 996 GT3 group who is updating his with RS suspension parts. Decent shocks and ball/rose jointed suspension goodies can work wonders on a stock GT3 996 or 7. Nowhere near as noisy as people lead you to believe, but far better controlled.

Digga said: PRO5T said: There's someone on our WhatsApp 996 GT3 group who is updating his with RS suspension parts. Decent shocks and ball/rose jointed suspension goodies can work wonders on a stock GT3 996 or 7. Nowhere near as noisy as people lead you to believe, but far better controlled. Mine has JRZ and full balls, it's load but then it's being run with no carpets

The suspension upgrades to the RS are worth about a second a lap in optimum set up. To install all of it on a M2 GT3 would come at a very high cost. There are far cheaper ways of finding a second. In terms of lap speed the costs of that upgrade outweigh the benefits unless you had already optimised everything else and had seriously deep pockets. To counter that, the driving experience is much more involving as the chassis gives you a lot more information for a driver to filter. For a driver seeking the ultimate analog experience it may be worth the cost but for the marginal difference in cost you would probably be better off buying an RS anyway

Would it not be simpler buying the latest cup car parts you can get or are those in short supply these days steve?

PRO5T said: Digga said: PRO5T said: There's someone on our WhatsApp 996 GT3 group who is updating his with RS suspension parts. Decent shocks and ball/rose jointed suspension goodies can work wonders on a stock GT3 996 or 7. Nowhere near as noisy as people lead you to believe, but far better controlled. Mine has JRZ and full balls, it's load but then it's being run with no carpets RSS and Ohlins FTW.

PRO5T said: Would it not be simpler buying the latest cup car parts you can get or are those in short supply these days steve? Think the hubs and other upgrades went straight into the RSR and skipped the Cup car. It may have them. I have a 996Gen 1 with an RSR gearbox and many motorsport chassis upgrades. I’m about to have exactly the same geo put in it that Parr ended up with in my RS. I’ll drive both cars and feed back. That will give a definitive answer

Steve Rance said: PRO5T said: Would it not be simpler buying the latest cup car parts you can get or are those in short supply these days steve? Think the hubs and other upgrades went straight into the RSR and skipped the Cup car. It may have them. I have a 996Gen 1 with an RSR gearbox and many motorsport chassis upgrades. I’m about to have exactly the same geo put in it that Parr ended up with in my RS. I’ll drive both cars and feed back. That will give a definitive answer Originally the gearbox was out of a 996 Cup car Steve that Neil Bainbridge supplied, assuming you are referring to the Bean?

Makes sense. I was told it was an RSR box but the third gear is too short. There seems to be a little confusion regarding the diff too. Can you shed some light?

Pretty sure Matt at F/Sport said it was an RSR ‘box. Are the Cup, R, RS and RSR ‘box not the same item but with different ratios ?

Steve Rance said: Makes sense. I was told it was an RSR box but the third gear is too short. There seems to be a little confusion regarding the diff too. Can you shed some light? It was a 996 Cup transmission 100% - with at that point - shortened 5th and 6th and an 8:32 CW+P. Bullet proof compared to the OEM trans with the brass synchros and flex that the OEM box had. A great car, still miss it! https://vimeo.com/8822161 Edited by 993rsr on Wednesday 10th April 20:38

The 996GT3 MkI did have bronze synchros .... the MkII were steel from the start and many Mk1's had the bronze synchros replaced with steel. One of my cars had this done under the Porsche extended warranty ...

ChrisW. said: The 996GT3 MkI did have bronze synchros .... the MkII were steel from the start and many Mk1's had the bronze synchros replaced with steel. One of my cars had this done under the Porsche extended warranty ... Sorry bronze - or chocolate more like 👍

Slippy, yep they are the same. The bean definitely has cup ratios. So it’s a cup diff John? Edited by Steve Rance on Wednesday 10th April 20:45

Great info team PH. Who’d a thunk it would come from a CH sales pitch We should start a Mezger GT3 thread.

When I started this thread I had no idea how little I knew about the 6RS. Many thanks to Steve Rance and everyone who were so knowledgeable and experienced. Just left me still interested in getting one.

993rsr said: ChrisW. said: The 996GT3 MkI did have bronze synchros .... the MkII were steel from the start and many Mk1's had the bronze synchros replaced with steel. One of my cars had this done under the Porsche extended warranty ... Sorry bronze - or chocolate more like ?? Ah yes, Mezger gearboxes...

They even did a radio controlled version ... specced by Robert Morley for the Gumball Rally which he then did in another car ... hence the antenna for enhanced radio signal P.S. Look how low the brake cooling ducts are ! Edited by ChrisW. on Thursday 11th April 08:54

RDMcG said: When I started this thread I had no idea how little I knew about the 6RS. Many thanks to Steve Rance and everyone who were so knowledgeable and experienced. Just left me still interested in getting one. Here's one coming up for sale local to you... https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2004-porsche-9...

thegreenhell said: Here's one coming up for sale local to you... https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2004-porsche-9... Many thanks......had completely escaped me.