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YOUR RESEARCHBest car for 100k or less
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Brake pads, rotors and fluids can be replaced and are frequently replaced on frequently tracked cars.
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I think caymans loose being on some lists like these is due to poor-er acceleration and/or hp/torque.
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Depends on what you're looking for, but since it appears you're a track oriented person, personally I'd put the
GT4
on a very short list assuming you can get an allocation.
Sorry for your loss. I hope it's covered by insurance.
With a $100k budget you're looking at brand new
981
GTS
(
GT4
&
Spyder
allocations are difficult to get) and used
911s
.
Best track oriented Porsches are the
GT4
&
GT3
. You can't get allocations for both at this stage, however. And the 991
GT3
is way above $100k.
Next
candidate is the
911
GTS
or
981
GTS
. The
911
GTS
is way above 100k too but available at showrooms.
I highly recommend a used 997
GT3
or new
981
GTS
as per your budget.
Man, very sorry and I hope no one was hurt. Looks like you maybe got 2 wheels off on the outside of turn 4 and then spun across into the tire wall.
Anyway, I assume you want another track-worthy car. Why not another Z06? That's a beautiful car.
But since this is a
Porsche
-oriented site, I assume you want
Porsche
suggestions. I'm not sure
Porsche
can match the performance per price of the Z06 unless you go used. The new
Cayman
GT4
is within your stated price range, but you probably can't get one very soon as they are all spoken for so far. If you're open to used and you want a track toy, you might consider a used 997
GT3
. You might find such in the
Excellence
magazine or the Porsche Club of America (PCA) on-line classified ads.
Porsches for Sale, Porsche cars for sale | Excellence
https://www.pca.org/browse-the-mart-classified-ads
Best of luck.
Get a
997.1
GT3
for just under $90K. Track it for a while until you find something else you like. Sell the
GT3
at the same price you bought it or maybe a hair higher...
Sorry to hear of your loss. Do some reading (including here on Planet-9), ask questions, go to your nearest P car dealership, consider the various
981
possibilities, and get what suits you, keeping in mind that there just ain't enough GT4s to go around, so that may only be a theoretical possibility. Also consider that the
GTS
only comes lowered, and (as I keep reminding people in case it helps someone), all
981s
are too low in the front, given how far the front overhang extends (meaning you WILL scratch up the bottom of the front bumper AND it'll be more of a pain in the neck in one of the lowered versions of the car vs. a CS without sport suspension or chrono package, etc. Good luck, and again, sorry about your accident.
The problem with buying a used
GT3
in my mind is this: consider the way most of these cars have been used. All this talk about how P cars are "meant to be driven [hard]," a concept started, BTW, by Ferry
Porsche
himself in a now famous quote, is all well and good, but you can't tell me that screaming around at red line and slamming on brakes at the last split millisecond leaves the car in the same fine shape that say, your average for-sale base model with similar mileage is likely to be in. I don't buy it (meant both literally and figuratively).
The OP did not say anything about what he wanted the car for so we're assuming (based on his picture) that he wants another track car, and not, say a nice street car with good resale potential. Given that, there are mitigations to your objections. Brake pads, rotors and fluids can be replaced and are frequently replaced on frequently tracked cars. Engine oil should also be more frequently changed. Also, the PPI can reveal over-rev events. So if a prospective car was tracked and the buyer wanted to continue tracking it, he should get a PPI, confirm no over-revs and confirm that the car has been serviced (new fluids, etc) more frequently than normal. If all that (and everything on the PPI) checks out, the car should be OK. Also, I have seen ads for GT3s that claim the car has never been tracked and so those are available from time to time. I would have no problem buying a used
GT3
, even a tracked one if it checked out.
If the OP wants a new
Porsche
for touring, then a 991 Carrara or
981
GTS
would be great. Of course these cars can be tracked as well.
My 2-cents.
I'd agree on another Z06, unless you're looking for less power. In which, honestly, a C6 Z06 isn't bad (though I'd swap the seats). Though as Baystater points out, there are GT3s to be had, but there's certainly going to be due diligence to be done on them. GT4 allocations are running out at this point, but if you called around you may still find them -- about 2 weeks ago we saw a big round of them, presumably 918 Spyder VIPs that didn't commit, or people who bailed since they wanted the LWBSs.
I see there's a nice Cayman GTS in them there PCA classifieds though, already clearbra'd for a track day.
Heck of an entrance into a
Porsche
forum. lol. I'm impressed by how unphased you seem to be. :cheers: I would be crying.
Reading the article posted by Noobies ^^. I would get a used
911
C4S.
Hope you don't plan on tracking that or you'll eat the PCCBs rapidly- I'd look into an iron rotor swap.
Sounds like you're decided, but my top three in this price range assuming some track duty would be:
GT4
997.1 GT3 with a 3.9 and suspension
996 GT2 with the wick turned up
Any will be far ahead of the turbo in terms of depreciation. None will be as comfortable a DD, all will be more track capable. The second in particular is epic if you have cash... $.02
The 13 Best Cars Under $100,000
http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobil...automobiles/10-of-the-fastest-cars-available-for-less-than-100k.html/?a=viewall
http://www.autobytel.com/sports-cars/car-buying-guides/10-of-the-fastest-cars-under-100k-118392/
http://pkittock.hubpages.com/hub/Best-Sports-Cars-for-Less-than-100k
How about an ariel atom :O
I think every list I ever saw had the Z06, M3, GTR, 911S on it. I think caymans loose being on some lists like these is due to poor-er acceleration and/or hp/torque. Practical effect of this I noticed myself on the straight of laguna seca while trying out passing drills. I was teamed up with an M3 and the instructor had to tell the M3 to slow down a bit while allowing to pass as my cayman was having a hard time overtaking.
Stephen, I was about to jump dancing for having another turbo brother for my toy at P9. But I'll hold on my 'twist' dance till you make up your mind.
It seems the
PCCB
is a concern brought up by more experienced members here. I don't know much about the 997 model, therefore I'll refrain from adding any input at the moment.
However... I may suggest putting the 100k as a down payment for a brand new 991 turbo like mine. But that's for you to decide.
Thank you all for your feedback. Corvette had no ceramic brake problems. I wonder what the difference is. What should I kook for in the Ecu? and can the dealership pull up a report for me?
The main difference is that you can buy a set of replacement ceramics for the Vette for ~5k. At that price running costs are semi-reasonable.
Porsche
charges ~22k for a set of rotors made by the same manufacture (SGL carbon) moving the running cost into the unreasonable range. If they were 5k I don't think you'd hear complaints.
The dealer can provide an over-rev report, yes.
Sure...
If it's me, I'd look for a
GT3
. I believe it will hold value significantly better than a Turbo or
Carrera
S (history shows the difference is very substantial), and it's significantly more visceral. It's harder to find a good one, but they are out there in this range. One for sale in CA and a couple recently sold:
2011 Porsche 911 GT3, $107,500 - Cars.com
Might need to be a member:
2010 GT3 - ******** Discussion Forums
FS: 2010 Porsche 911 / 997.2 GT3 for Sale by Original Owner - ******** Discussion Forums
A Carrera GTS is also a significant upgrade over a regular Carrera S, the pick of the regular Carreras. There are a few out there:
2011 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS, $74,900 - Cars.com
2012 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS, $86,988 - Cars.com
Not as quick or track focused as a GT3, though...
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