Why is the 911 threads so quiet.

Seems like this is a Boxster/Cayman forum. Why is there not much activity here ? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Tom is camping outside his dealer's showroom for a GT3 RS allocation, I cancelled my turbo allocation and Patrick is out enjoying his new turbo... the remaining 911 owners are defending their case at the 981 forum against the GT4

This is a younger group of drivers who saw many 360° spins when watching the 911's and just never grew to trust them not to bite you.

Because its planet-9.com? Not joking. Seriously, enter planet-9.com in your URL and see what comes up. Over the years, it has morphed to include Boxsters. Kman can speak to his history but now evolving to include the other model lines, hence the new planet 9 logo? Get it? 9xx?

The 911 guys were born before computers were invented so they don't know how to get on forums? They all bought the better platform i.e. a 981? They are too busy connecting bricks on their bumpers with bungee cords? Joking of course. We need more 911 folks in here....so start a thread. 981 guys/gals will hop on and contribute.

New planet 9 logo? Where? 9xx...yep, i get that.

Well, considering my new Cayman just isn't giving me enough traction in the serious cold and snow we've been having, I've been thinking I should get a 911 C4 as a winter beater :hilarious:

Most folks here are Cayman/Boxster aficionados first, and Porsche loyalists (to varying degrees) second. Consequently, it's understandable that overall there is a mid-engine platform bias. I like both platforms pretty much equally, because they do different things brilliantly. Could 987/981 owners on P9 come in and mix it up with 911 owners on their sub-forum without getting into "my platform is better than your platform" debates? The few 911 owners that frequent P9 obviously have an appreciation of the mid-engine variants in the Porsche lineup...do 987/981 owners have the same respect for 911s?

B/c they go to ******** and 6speed to get their 911 fix. A lot of them have absolutely no respect for the Cayman/Boxster. They are too good to be here, not sure if you like to hear, the 911 is an icon and a real Porsche all the time on a Cayman/Boxster forum.

Previous 987 owner and current 991 owner. I post when I have something to contribute...which isn't too often these days. I started on P-9 and I still like the lively debates here as well as the enthusiast lean to the crowd. The tone here is good much of the time and there is somewhat less of "should I get the deviated stitching" with this group (somewhat less pretentious IMO). I live in Florida so I get a Porsche fix on most days (the wife gets hers when I don't get mine) and the winter provides some of the best driving weather with cool and clear sparkling days. I appreciate the Porsche line of sports cars and highly respect the Porsche brand in general. Here are a few points driven by our daily drive experience with both cars: 1. My wife and I enjoy the 911 immensely and we also enjoyed the Cayman. The 991 is a better daily driver than the 987 was in our opinion and that point is mostly driven by PDK and visibility out of the cabin. To us. the 987 felt more "eager" and the 911 feels more polished. 2. We are reaching the end of "atmospheric" engines. If you care about driving at the limit, that is not a particularly good thing (but how much time do we actually spend there?). Porsche does turbocharging well (although other manufacturers are doing much better these days and I will offer my driving experience in a Focus ST as evidence) but the aural experience of a normally aspirated flat 6 is something to be missed. I am not going to be easy to convince to trade into the next generation of an all turbocharged lineup. I do think the hybrid drive approach of the 918 is likely to eventually reach across the entirety of Porsche's sport car product line. 3. Our next Porsche vehicle will probably be a Macan. We are past the family stage but do have a grandchild and do other things that require a somewhat larger vehicle. The electronics suite in our 2008 Lexus RX350 has not aged well.

If you saw many 911 360 spins, you're not that young. Porsche electronics and tweaks have pretty much made that a historical issue. The current platform is stable and the rear engine weight bias barely noticeable. One would really have to be pushing the envelope these days to spin a 911. At any rate, continuously arguing over the relative merits of the 911 vs the 981 is one reason that the 911 owners are quiet. I do see this as a Cayman/Boxster forum and I admire those cars but the bias against the 911 makes this a difficult forum. I do enjoy it though.

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Wow that would be a great day, I would love to do that!

I'm not trying to be argumentative and no disrespect intended but I don't agree at all. My last 2 cars were a 997 and a 991. I previously owned a 944. I attend 6 to 12 PCA events a year and I don't see that attitude at all. A large number of people at the events these days own boxsters and caymans and everyone is there to have fun, no matter what they drive. I find that at most events the discussions are lively and informative and no one is superior to anyone else. Every one of these cars is capable and more than the average driver needs. What I do see on this forum is a rather myopic view from the boxster/cayman folks - their choices were the best choices and everyone else is wrong. I understand that feeling, the owners are enthusiastic and, to some extent, justifying their own decisions. When I owned the 944, it was MY feeling that it wasn't a real Porsche, no one else gave me that feeling. Like it or not the 911 is an icon and if it wasn't for that car the marque would likely have been gone a long time ago. Everything that Porsche makes is a real Porsche. I don't see the 987/981 owners embracing the Cayenne or Panamera, these are the cars making the company profitable today. I see that you own both a 997 and a 981 so I'm not saying that you don't understand the differences, only that you are expressing your own feelings about the respective cars. I, for one, respect all of the cars here and say constantly that there are different cars for different needs. What I do think is that the vast majority of the posters here need to lighten up and realize that they made a choice that was, hopefully, right for them and not necessarily right for everyone else. I've mentioned before why I made my choices and do not want to reiterate. The 991 was the right choice last time around. The 981 might be the right choice next time or maybe it will be an RS5 or an AMG. who knows. My point is that there are plenty of great cars out there and we should embrace them all. BTW, I don't like Reenlist or 6speed and come here because it is more fun.

thanks to the contributions of many cayman and boxster enthusiasts, this site is quite comprehensive on the mid engine models and the thing that keeps it going is continued passion even for the older models. this takes time to build. perhaps nothing as complex as platform bias......

+1 I hope we can attract members who own 911s, Panameras and Cayennes to complete the community of Porsche owners. No, I didn't forget the Macan. I left it out intentionally :taunt:

I view Boxsters, Caymans and 911 as siblings that share a lot of common DNA...Panameras, Cayennes and Macans are more like our cousins. I'm more than happy to engage with the Porsche Sedan and SUV crowd (greatly enjoyed discussion with a buddy who recently spec'd and ordered a very nice Macan Turbo), but not sure our performance/modification/track oriented chatter would interest many for very long. If I had the space, I'd put a Macan in the garage in a heartbeat, but honestly don't know if I'd feel as passionate about it as my 911 and CS. That said, I'm sure the aforementioned Macan owner will be looking for an online community to hang out in, and he'll be a thoughtfull, contributing member wherever he decides to hang his hat.

Hah! I wish I was out enjoying my new Turbo. It's been on the lift since 27 Jan waiting for my wheels to come back from powder coat. In the meantime I have been polishing the paint, installing the exhaust and sending the DME to GIAC so I guess I've been "enjoying" it in that sense. - Patrick

I came from a Boxster as my first P car... until it was totalled last year before Christmas. Once insurance paid out, we decided to upgrade... and now a 997.2 is sitting in the garage. I have no hate for either and feel that they each have pros and cons. I havent come on here much and posted as there was not to many topics that caught my eye and as the OP states, it is a little quiet. Maybe its time to make some noise. Oh, I have no issues with 6speed, I post on there mostly... Renn is good for info, but haven't been on there that much either.

In the past year we've had a 981 BS and now a 991 C2s cab. I love the 991 and I miss the BS dearly. Different cars, different "feel", different purposes (I think), and truth be told a bit different parts of the old ego involved. Even though we now have the 991 and the P9 911 forum is not very active I still come here a LOT. There is more activity. Much of the posting about electronics, wheels, tires, car car, exhaust, etc is not necessarily 981 or 991 specific. And did I mention this is an active forum with a lot of fresh content? Of course there is as much a dearth of 981 material on Renn and 6-speed as there seems to be a small amount of 911 traffic here. All three sites ties have there share of sanctimonious posters and attitude so no clear winners on that front. Maybe I'll accept this thread as a challenge and start posting here more on 911 stuff.

This is a very valid point. When people talk about electronics, or how options work, etc. there is really no difference between 981s and 991s. They are all the same PCM, I'm sure the seats are pretty much the same, the colors the same, etc. I'd pretty much guess that Sapphire Blue paint or black leather is the exact same used on both models. It's only when 981 owners talk about options that are not the same between the models that it becomes not relevant. For example, when the discussion is about X73, there is nothing equivalent and SPASM is quite a bit different. But, in general, much is very common. Good point.

Regarding the perceived size difference - I can't speak for a coupe/Cayman perception, but from the Boxster/Cab side of things my somewhat informed opinion tells me that it is a combination of several factors: 1. Dash - longer, lower, flatter 2. Exterior rear view mirrors - although I DO have my mirrors correctly adjusted, when I do "lean" to check on something I see these huge hips (same might carry through as a "memory" from looking at the car from the rear - the 911 seems "bigger" because of the rear end design. 3. Internal rear view mirror: there is more distance behind my shoulders to the rear window in the 911 than there was in the BS; in the Cab it's "dark space" because the secondary and rear windows are smaller which creates somewhat of a "cavern" effect. I don't notice any feeling of size based on the (miniscule) greater width. IIRC, the front of the 911 looks a bit smaller if only because the front fender bulge seems smaller on a 911 than on the BS. Maybe these photos will help: In fact, based on photo #2, one could almost make the case that the 981 is larger than the 991!

I can, at least from a 987CS perspective, and I believe its just an illusion, perception, or people kidding themselves with their biases. As a two seat sports car, compared to the past, the Cayman is a boat. It's way too long and too heavy. But setting that aside because it is what it is, its all a perception as you all have been saying. I will try to summarize the best I can. 1. The interior IS larger. There is more room in terms of front seat cockpit. 2. The +2 config DOES give perception of a much greater interior vice confinement of a firewall. This is a big deal. That confinement gives the perception of being tinier and that is not a small thing. 3. The engine behind your ear, as in all mid-engined sports cars, gives the "perception" of the car being smaller. After all, you hear more mechanical noises. It must be much smaller. 4. The bit of extra weight is meaningless as the extra HP makes up for it and much more. IMO, its all in the observer's mind as the actually dimensions do not support the premise as the tiny dimensions differences are meaningless "in general"

Saw this beauty while I was picking up my car from the dealership the other day. Spoke with the owner (original owner), a very nice man. He was coming in for a new set of tires, maybe his first set being that he only has 15k miles on the clock. He preferred the dealership to do the tire service since he didn't trust the tire shops. Can't blame him. The interior was immaculate and he still had the original temp registration in the corner of the windshield. We start talking and he tells me about his others that included Ferrari (didn't mention which one), E Type, 356.

I am new this year to the forum. As a past 911 (and soon to be) owner I would really like to have more 911 posters as well. One thing I notice is the forum main page makes it look like a Boxster/Cayman site. The other models' discussion groups are compact. This makes the other models look like afterthoughts for those visiting for the first time. I think Planet 9 needs to decide what it wants to be. If it wants to be a all Porsche model site, it needs to put all the models on par on the main pages. If it is a Boxster/Cayman site, then eliminate the other models. Another observation is that this site is mostly focused on late model(water cooled) Porsches; good or bad. Maybe that is its niche. With 991 on order, I am fine with that. For those 911 posters, thanks for contributing. Tell your 991 friends, and let's expand the forum.

I am trading my 2014 Cayman S in on a 991 - S tomorrow. I missed the boat on GT4 and had a first allocation on Spyder but I have never been a convertible guy. I have been very happy with my Cayman and 2 987's and 981 Boxster base before it. I drove the 991 S and liked the power and handling but different that the Cayman - I hope I am making a good decision. . I have lurked on this site for years without posting much. The information has been very good and I really like the attitude here. I hope the 911 part can increase traffic. I look forward to reading more about the GT 4 and Boxster.

EXCELLENT points. I hope Ken can read this. Please start your thread for your new toy. Show it in and out along with the list of options. Looking forward for your thread too. Don't feel bad about missing the GT4. I missed the 991 GT3 too. I still love the car and admire it but I believe it's not for me and destiny chose what suits me more.

I have special ordered two brand new Porsche's since Feb 2013. The first was a 981 BS which I owned from May '13 to Dec '14. The second is the 991 Turbo which I ordered in Oct '14 and accepted in Jan '15. With experience in both platforms I can honestly say that I love them both for different reasons. I moved to the 991 for reasons that I will not allow to be argued here but I certainly don't regret it. The speculation that 911 owners are largely absent from P-9 is true. Much in the same way that this is primarily a Boxster/Cayman forum, the others such as 6speed and ******** are primarily 911 and allow for more productive "crowd sourcing" of information. The idea posed by some that we are "too good" to hang out here is complete shite. I had to dig deep to buy a 991 chassis and only recently left a 13 year career as a knuckle busting, shift working aircraft mechanic to move on to less back breaking work that allows me to (barely) afford such a nice car. I also married a woman with a professional career and we don't have any children. Long story short, our household income is nice but neither of us are cosmetic dentists. - Patrick

Thanks for posting in here BTW. I plan to travel to Atlanta next August and try out Porsche's driving experience program. The package I am going to go for is the mid-engine/rear engine experience. Driving a 981 and 991 back to back for $450. That should be cool! I don't see me getting rid of my Boxster but I am definitely going to get the next generation 911 GTS (C4 or C2) with an Aerokit. It will be a ED trip which is the only way I am going to get a new Porsche.

Yesterday I was playing with the configurator... again. I configured a 911 GTS (C2 of course since I'm not a fan or in need for 4 WD). I built the car with the exact options of my configured GT3 adding only the ducktail. To my surprise the price came very close to the GT3 I built in December. Only 3k USD short !! I'd pick the GT3 in a heartbeat over the GTS but I think the ground clearance is what would create a market for the GTS.

Us 911 owners are indeed mostly on other forums. My take is that 6speed is more of a west coast board with the majority of members modding and polishing their cars. ******** members also do the same but I think also drive the ever lovin snot outta them a whole lot more, and seem to be more east coast. More DE, autocross, club racing, competition, etc. Hard to see but my right front wheel in my avatar is about 2" in the air. The 911 platform has the most powerful engines and Porsche puts the best goodies into that car. They are very difficult to learn to drive at the limit, but very rewarding when you figure it out. You need the brains and the balls to fully understand what "never lift" means. No arguments about what platform is better, just what platform gets bigger engines and better suspension goodies.

So very true.....for wife and I -> Cayman = Eager and fun, 911 = Polished and fun It is my impression the 911 has been the franchise and has received the most engineering attention (of the sports cars) by a considerable margin in the new millennium. That may be changing now but remains true for 991/981 platforms. I am delighted in an effort to increase 911 attendance here on P-9 and I will participate.:gossip:

I traded my 14 Cayman S last Friday for a 911 S (991). I had a 981 Boxster base, and 987 Cayman S and 987 Cayman base before the 14. I loved all of them. The Cayman S was a manual that I bought after thinking I made a mistake buying the Boxster base with PDK. After driving both a 911 S manual and PDK,

I just don't get it. 987/981 owners fill this forum with pictures and stories of their toys, while 911 owners admit having ones without a fuss, a picture, a signature or an avatar about their 911s. For the love of Porsches, show us your 991s and tell us all about them... guys & girls.

hit send by mistake - I bought the 911 S with PDK. I couldn't get the power out of my mind after test driving the 991's. I was signed up for a Spyder but I am not a convertible guy and I knew it would be a mistake for me in the long run. I also felt bad about not getting on the list early for the GT4 - that ship has sailed so I decided on the 911 S. My first impressions are that I love the 991 and I am glad I traded. I like the larger cabin with less noise - the ride feels smoother too. The handling feels very good and better than I expected. I went from Super Sports on Cayman to Pirelli P zero on the 991. The PDK with 400 hp is a lot more fun than the Boxster base I had with PDK - nothing like torque to add to your enjoyment. I went to an SCCA beginner autocross school Saturday with only 50 miles experience with the car and I would have kept the Cayman for that if I could have. I did feel like the 991 was heavier and not quite as sharp as Cayman S in the autocross. My first impression was that I was faster in the corner with the Cayman but I could come out of corner harder and had a lot more acceleration with the 991. With a new to me car I probably wasn't pushing very hard. I need more time with the car to be sure which PDK setting will work best and what shock setting. For me the 991 doesn't feel like the true sports car that the Cayman did - it feels more like a grand touring car but still very much the same Porsche. I didn't think I would ever want a PDK again but after just going through the weekend I am glad I went with the PDK. The 991 has a better feel for me with better ride. I am in my mid 60's and appreciate having a great handling car with more comfort and less noise and also like being able to store stuff in back. I thought the 991 had grown too big and I wouldn't like it - now I know why they are still selling so many. That doesn't make me any less of a Cayman fan; I look forward to reading about the GT4 when it starts getting out there and also the Spyder. I have been a lurker here for years and good people and lots of information.

Will add pictures as soon as I have time to take some. I wasn't any better as a Cayman owner.

Too busy driving it to take pictures. The weather here in southern mass has finally turned into top down weather. Had two boxsters for 3 years and then saw my current P car in the show room when my wife was having her A6 serviced. Took me 63 years to get my 911. They do drive differently and at times i do miss my 987.2. Buy my 991C2S is fantastic. I have nearly 20K on it in two years. It rests in the garage in the cold snowy winters, and serves as a good weather daily driver. Excellent, civil discussion in this thread. Dan

Tire pressure for 991 S? I am going to try 31/34 next. I have been higher and didn't like that well. Any recommendations for autocross tire pressure?

Google it lots of discussion. Setting autocross aside, and speaking solely about cold pressures, I think the bigger issue is comfort vs standard plus taking into account the partial load vs full load. So I experimented. I don't think the car has every been "full load" nor do I care about driving over 165 MPH so I rejected those extremes. OTH, I don't care about comfort mode. It's not a luxury car. It's a sports car. Besides, its relatively soft anyway unless SPASM is in sport. Additionally, the car will never be totally light. There is always some weight in the frunk and 90% of the time two adult passengers. It's not like I'm going to adjust pressures based upon every drive. So somewhere in the middle of the extremes in Comfort Mode seems reasonable to me. I've tried a bunch of different combinations. I've pretty much settled on 33/38 or slight variations off of this. The fronts can go a bit lower but not much. When its too low, its slow to respond. I can feel that. Too high, less grip. Driving normally, hopefully I am never on the edge of adhesion so better response, and higher pressures is the trade-off I make. The rears I don't like to go lower. I try to keep them at 38. So that's a little higher than recommended for comfort on the fronts and just below the recommended max on the rears. YMMV. You got to try it out and see what you like. People are all over the place with this from 29/32 to 37/42. The recommended max is 36/44. Never trust what the dealer sets it at. Check it yourself.