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I just read about this for the first time. Postings on other forums suggest it will be announced in Geneva 2015. Priced probably somewhere near or above a 911 C2S... motortrend said: All of which brings us to perhaps the most exciting new car Porsche will bring to market in the next three years, the GT4. Based on the Cayman and probably destined to be called the Cayman GT4, the GT4 will be the big-power, mid-engine, reasonably priced Porsche every purist has been crowing about since forever. By reasonably priced we mean compared to a GT3. Pricing will be about $125K and the GT4 will sit way above the recently created Cayman GTS. What makes a GT4? Expect a transmission similar to the modified PDK unit found in the GT3. What engine is still the big question mark, and interestingly might be settled this June in France. If the 919 Hybrid goes real big and wins the 24 Hours of Le Mans, expect Porsche to try and capitalize on that fact by pushing a turbocharged four-cylinder plug-in hybrid powertrain. If the 919’s teething problems continue, the GT4 could remain as a flat-six, but with hybrid assist. Expect to also see a Boxster version of the GT4, though it will most likely be called the RS Spyder. Either way, validation testing on the inline-4 turbo is taking place right now. http://wot.motortrend.com/1405_porsches_plan_more_horsepower_more_hybrids.html and here is a random completely unofficial render i found online:

hog wash.

Balderdash!

Thats reasonably conclusive then.

Also reported here - http://jalopnik.com/porsche-cayman-gt4-will-be-the...

They're also quoting a price in the USA of $125k where a base 991GT3 is $130k and the Cayman GTS is $75k - so I can't see this as being a reliable piece of journalism. Either that or Porsche are being very optimistic on the value of the Cayman brand vs the 911. As for the engine - 4 cylinder in-line turbo hybrid cashing in on 919 success. Would that give it genuine motorsport heritage unlike the 991GT3 lump but similar to the fabled Mezger;) However, if they did produce a high revving, low weight, more focussed Cayman with 380bhp I would certainly be interested.

It won't be any of those things though if its hybrid. It will be very fast but heavy, sound like a household appliance and leave one with constant worries about future values with all that complicated electrickery stuff in there. Hybrids work at the top end as the uber rich don't care and they also work at the bottom end where the sandal wearing brigade are willing to take a £25K bath to justify their eco smugness. For the rest of us they have an enormously long way to go to move beyond the 2 barge poles position.

Eloquently put.

NJH said: It won't be any of those things though if its hybrid. It will be very fast but heavy, sound like a household appliance and leave one with constant worries about future values with all that complicated electrickery stuff in there. Hybrids work at the top end as the uber rich don't care and they also work at the bottom end where the sandal wearing brigade are willing to take a £25K bath to justify their eco smugness. For the rest of us they have an enormously long way to go to move beyond the 2 barge poles position. Perfectly put

NJH said: the sandal wearing brigade are willing to take a £25K bath to justify their eco smugness

I'm in the codswallop camp. What manufacturer would announce a car a year away, the drive train for which hadn't yet been decided on, yet alone developed?

griffter said: I'm in the codswallop camp. What manufacturer would announce a car a year away, the drive train for which hadn't yet been decided on, yet alone developed? Lotus did with a whole new line up :-)

V8KSN said: NJH said: It won't be any of those things though if its hybrid. It will be very fast but heavy, sound like a household appliance and leave one with constant worries about future values with all that complicated electrickery stuff in there. Hybrids work at the top end as the uber rich don't care and they also work at the bottom end where the sandal wearing brigade are willing to take a £25K bath to justify their eco smugness. For the rest of us they have an enormously long way to go to move beyond the 2 barge poles position. Perfectly put Better to get a nicely cared for older Porsche and fix what goes wrong than buying new cars! Saves on manufacturing and means someone has job.

I have no idea if this is true or not, but I am reminded of the highly skeptical response on here to the leaks about the Cayman GTS, which is now a reality.

mrdemon said: griffter said: I'm in the codswallop camp. What manufacturer would announce a car a year away, the drive train for which hadn't yet been decided on, yet alone developed? Lotus did with a whole new line up :-) Yes a pipe-dream by an over ambitious CEO and look what happened to him and the proposed range.

I think we will get a more powerful Cayman quite soon. I expect it to have towards 400bhp and to have a turbo 4-pot boxer. I have thought for a while that the fast Cayman is something that Porsche has up its sleeve and ready to deploy any time that it wants to make a big splash in the market. Can you imagine the sheer quantity of press that it would generate? Journos have wet dreams about Porsche "unleashing" the Cayman (partly because of a strange reluctance to accept that the 911 has been the best sports car going for so long). Now that Jaguar has parked its tanks squarely on the lawn that is the price cross-over between the Cayman and the 911, the sensible things to do are as follows:- (1) Insert into the gap a bloody fast Cayman that will blow the F-Type out of the water. Not that hard, in my view, given that it has a superior layout. (2) Move the 911 up a bit, getting rid of the base Carrera (which is a strange car, in my view).

The GTS range was always going to happen, Porsche have had the GTS badge in the range for a while now, it's seen as the best of the best for that model. we will not see another Cayman now for ages imo you have the 2015 991 face lifts, then the 981 face lifts, then at the end of the gen 2 981 face lift , you might get a new more power full model. before then, cannot see it happening.

And the face lifts will be 4 pot turbo and any future spyder/r will be likewise!so the Gts will be the last n/a flat 6 and the current spyder/r the last of the truly analogue flat6 boxster/cayman.the 911 will most likely remain flat6

I agree with ORD but I would not be surprised to see some hybrid technology in there, although the 400 hp 4-cylinder would be the much more obvious choice. Hybrid drivetrains are here to stay and Porsche will sooner or later add them to every range, whether PH likes it or not. (see PDK in 991 GT3) A hybrid GT4 would solve the issues that ORD mentioned and give Porsche the chance to establish some credibility with hybrid in (non super-) sports cars before touching the holy grail that is 911. Pricing and the fact that it would be sold as a semi-trackday version would make sure it doesn’t cannibalise into the 911 market. Like the old 914-6 which in my opinion was a superior car than the 911S of its time, yet it didn’t sell that well at all. I’m in the market for a Spyder/Cayman R, so I *really* hope the Cayman GT4 will be either a 4-pot or a hybrid, preferably both. Edited by EricE on Friday 9th May 13:04

weight is key though, the new cars will have to be light for UK B roads, hybrids atm weighs to much but that extra torque would be nice. I am all for electric help but not at the cost of light weight for the roads I drive on.

What is all this nonsense though about credibility and hybrid power, have any of you guys been following the WEC? Beyond that their hyper car has been equally humbled by the P1. Yeah great way to sell a new sports car model by saying its heritage is to be 3rd best at racing behind a Toyota and Audi and last in the hyper car battle. Epic. People will buy the F type because it looks like sex and has an equally naughty exhaust sound. Porsche never chased silly Bhp numbers before so why on earth should they start chasing it now. If there is one thing a niche model Cayman needs to be it is more exciting, more sexy than the current Cayman, a ruddy great heavy battery and 4 pot engine that sounds like a demented washing machine ain't going to cut it despite how "on message" some think it would be.

NJH said: What is all this nonsense though about credibility and hybrid power, have any of you guys been following the WEC? Beyond that their hyper car has been equally humbled by the P1. Yeah great way to sell a new sports car model by saying its heritage is to be 3rd best at racing behind a Toyota and Audi and last in the hyper car battle. Epic. People will buy the F type because it looks like sex and has an equally naughty exhaust sound. Porsche never chased silly Bhp numbers before so why on earth should they start chasing it now. If there is one thing a niche model Cayman needs to be it is more exciting, more sexy than the current Cayman, a ruddy great heavy battery and 4 pot engine that sounds like a demented washing machine ain't going to cut it despite how "on message" some think it would be. The point is that we have pretty much been told that Porsche is moving away from 6-cyl engines for the Cayman/Boxster. It is the direction of travel, whether or not we like it (and I do not). I am such a NA geek that I have spent the last few weeks persuading my wife that we should get a Mazda 3 over all of its tc competitors (It still sounds like a demented washing machine, but least one without an annoying turbo whine and flat power delivery).

Not a bad choice, I have a soft spot for Mazdas after the Mk3 MX-5 2.0 Sport Mrs NJH had for a few years. The real acid test for hybrid power in a sports car is the BMW i8. I was surprised to see one on the road the other day, looked less outlandish than in pictures but one has to ask just what is the point in any sports car that doesn't have that whole driver excitement thing going on. The day Porsche finally loose that is the day I abandon any little respect that I have left over for the company.

As has already been mentioned, we already know they the Boxster/Caymans will be 4pots in the future and I would think a GT4 with a 4 cylinder engine would be a great chance for Porsche to get around the problem of making a "lesser" model that is faster than their "premium" model. They've always avoided a more powerful Cayman as it would impact on the 911 sales, this way there is a clear distinction between a hot 4cylinder Cayman and the top end, traditional flat 6 911. Hybrid technology may well creep in as well because that is the way cars are heading. I could like a light turbo'd 4 pot GT4 but start weighing it down with hybrid tech and it would loose any appeal to me.

Porsche have no choice but to build this car.

Prey tell why!

So what if it was to be a small tough racer of the the 964RS ilk ... brimmed with motorsport intent and road legal, with a Cup version that's badder still ? Who would want one ? Should P choose to add Hibrid-ness, there's also a lot more room in the Cayman than in a 911 ... But, I have a BMW i3 on order and it would be hard to square a track car with a city car --- though I have speculated on trailering the i3 to Oulton park !!

It would seem highly unlikely today, daft even and hard to imagine. But, porsche could well build something like this, in fact some say they will have no choice. IF the 919 wins Le Mans, suddenly the V4 hybrid will have credibility and be race proven. The new Mezger! Porsche are the masters at marketing and will easily be able to 'sell' the concept. Its why they have returned to Le Mans.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/erlkoenig-... GT4 seems to be real. 3.6L it says.

Want!

The lack of hybrid means this will probably affect Cayman R residuals quite significantly? Then again it will most likely be PDK only. Curious to find out the final power output of this.

More from motortrend (proper photos) - http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/future-cars/porsche... I really like this, a touch smaller than the 991 GT3, perfect for the roads I drive. http://www.autoblog.com/2014/05/13/porsche-cayman-...

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/scoop/porsche-de... now i am excited!but wont be hear until circa autumn/winter 2015 most likely LA show 2015

auto-motor-sport said: Der Reifezustand des Porsche Cayman GT4-Erlkönigs lässt auf ein baldiges Debüt schließen. Denkbar wäre der Pariser Autosalon im Herbst. autocar said: Judging by the early-stage appearance of this prototype, it's unlikely that this model will be seen in final production form before the end of next year. German site says it looks ready to launch in late 2014, Autocar says it is an early-stage appearance prototype. I think we will probably see it this year.

EricE said: The lack of hybrid means this will probably affect Cayman R residuals quite significantly? . doubt it the Cayman R is 40k now the GT4 will be 80k and will be 1 to 2years away, it's not going to make much odds to people with 40k to spend who wish to buy a true drivers car. if the GT4 does have a 400bhp 3.8 and 6pots etc it will be even more than 80k once options are on it.

+1. The price of this is gonna be the slight problem. doubt it the Cayman R is 40k now the GT4 will be 80k and will be 1 to 2years away, it's not going to make much odds to people with 40k to spend who wish to buy a true drivers car. if the GT4 does have a 400bhp 3.8 and 6pots etc it will be even more than 80k once options are on it. [/quote]

I just received the latest copy of sport auto on my iPad and found this in the readers comments section... he claims a coworker sent him the data for the latest GT4, recorded during ABS/ESP calibration runs. 371,6 PS on the dyno 404,3 Nm 1305 kg (without driver) for a brief moment i hoped that would be power at the wheel. According to some Cayman R dyno sheets the corrected power output after drive train loss would be ~452 PS. Rather unlikely. Then I did some s tty math (correct me if I am wrong) and the engine would have to hit peak power at 7900 rpm assuming the 404,3 Nm torque is correct. The 991 GT3 has its peak power at 8250 rpm with 476 PS and 440 Nm. So in theory that would be possible. But then a 1305kg GT4 with that kind of power — it would have to have a slightly detuned 991 GT3 engine — would have a far better power to weight ratio than the 991 GT3. That car would run circles around the 991 GT3 and would probably ruin its residuals too. So the much more likely option is that these measurements are at the crank and the GT4 will be a rather lukewarm car (+30 PS and -40kg compared to the 981 GTS). IF the data is correct. Can’t sleep, need to find a Spyder... Edited by EricE on Thursday 14th August 01:05

EricE said: I just received the latest copy of sport auto on my iPad and found this in the readers comments section... he claims a coworker sent him the data for the latest GT4, recorded during ABS/ESP calibration runs. 371,6 PS on the dyno 404,3 Nm 1305 kg (without driver) for a brief moment i hoped that would be power at the wheel. According to some Cayman R dyno sheets the corrected power output after drive train loss would be ~452 PS. Rather unlikely. Then I did some s tty math (correct me if I am wrong) and the engine would have to hit peak power at 7900 rpm assuming the 404,3 Nm torque is correct. The 991 GT3 has its peak power at 8250 rpm with 476 PS and 440 Nm. So in theory that would be possible. But then a 1305kg GT4 with that kind of power — it would have to have a slightly detuned 991 GT3 engine — would have a far better power to weight ratio than the 991 GT3. That car would run circles around the 991 GT3 and would probably ruin its residuals too. So the much more likely option is that these measurements are at the crank and the GT4 will be a rather lukewarm car (+30 PS and -40kg compared to the 981 GTS). IF the data is correct. Can’t sleep, need to find a Spyder... Edited by EricE on Thursday 14th August 01:05 In Count Dracula voice 'Zergy hinteresting'

370 seems about right to keep it well away from a gt3 I est 380 ;-) , going to just be like the cayman R , now people will moan about the GT4 name. Or they might just call it the R again.

I might be wrong, but don't those figures suggest a 3.6 NA engine? Too much torque for the 3.4?

ORD said: I might be wrong, but don't those figures suggest a 3.6 NA engine? Too much torque for the 3.4? I don’t think so. The base 991 C2 engine has 3436 cm³ and 350 PS @ 7400 with max torque of 390 Nm @ 5600. Seems like the GT4 will get a slightly remapped version of that.

ORD said: I might be wrong, but don't those figures suggest a 3.6 NA engine? Too much torque for the 3.4? base 991 has 390NM in that 3.4: vs the Cayman with 370NM I guess it can be tuned as the 2015 991.2 will have a BHP and torque lift Porsche don't have a NA 3.6 now do they ? on the plus side if it's just a tuned GTS then prices should be a lot cheaper. just lets hope it has some new 6 pots so you don't have to order PCCB at 6k, and the real Fixed back carbon buckets in the GT2 RS folding buckets is daft and lazy in the Cayman. Edited by mrdemon on Thursday 14th August 09:30

mrdemon said: base 991 has 390NM in that 3.4: vs the Cayman with 370NM I guess it can be tuned as the 2015 991.2 will have a BHP and torque lift Porsche don't have a NA 3.6 now do they ? on the plus side if it's just a tuned GTS then prices should be a lot cheaper. Shows what I know! Thanks, guys. It's good news if Porsche has lifted the redline on the 3.4 - it should be a noisy little bugger. I thought there was a plan to replace the 3.4 in the base Carrera, but I again may be wrong! It might make sense to keep it, I suppose, if it is slightly more fuel efficient than the 3.8 (which it should be). Now that I have a little ORD on the way, I expect I am on my last Cayman (at least for a few years). I have already begun explaining to my wife what a safe car the Targa would be for the baby.

seems to make sense to just drop in whatever the 2015 991.2 base engine will be. then just tune the exhaust and map to make the new R/GT4.

mrdemon said: seems to make sense to just drop in whatever the 2015 991.2 base engine will be. then just tune the exhaust and map to make the new R/GT4. Now that you mention that, I hope that isn’t the long rumored 6-cylinder twin turbo engine. I’d almost make sense for the base Carrera and GT4 to have a small twin turbo while the Carrera S gets the 3.8L NA version. Of course it is too early to tell and I’m sure the car will be more than the sum of all its parts, but I hoped for more with the GT4. If they price it similar to the 991 C2S then I don't think they will sell a lot of them (see Spyder/Cayman R) which should be good for residuals but I would look elsewhere.

Turbo's are 2017 I thought for the next gen Boxster/Cayman so I doubt that esp as the face lift 991 is out 2015 and is finished already. the 991.2 and lets hope the GT4 should both be at the March 2015 Frankfurt Motor Show. Edited by mrdemon on Thursday 14th August 10:11

keeping the dream alive I mean keeping the dream alive..

Nice bodywork.

I know you have to watch the top one at least 4 times before taking your eyes of it lol

Congratulations on the best post I have ever seen

If only everything had a 'like' button...... clickety-click, press, press, press, Click again. And again....... ...And again.

The model is Ashley Sky about the fittest girl I have even seen... The render of the GT4 is not to shabby either.

mrdemon said: The model is Ashley Sky about the fittest girl I have even seen... The render of the GT4 is not to shabby either. Good man. I was not, of course, about to ask and/or to stalk her.

The one walking away at the end looks non too shabby either!

They need to sort out the front end suspension on that model ..........

so what will the gt4 be like?this post reminds me of the speculation surrounding the R before it arrived ie 3.8 ,lightweight etc.!yes the R is a good car but imho not a great car as some would say.why? having driven passive suspension boxster/cayman for some eight years prior to the R arrival after a test drive in may 2011 it did not blow me away like i thought it would it was just a little bit better than what had gone before a natural progression,but i can see why people coming from other models/brands love it as the cayman has always been a great car since 2005 and the boxster for many years before and imho the spyder/r are the pinnacle of that bloodline. so how is the gt4 going to loose weight almost all the body panels and some chassis parts are aluminium on the 981 now,unlike the R/spyder which were fitted with alu doors to loose weight which were shared with not only the gt3 but also the 3.6 997.2 for the uk market(this was to reduce emissions below 225g).also extras like buckets that are available on the gts at a smaller cost than before and aircon that was fitted back into most caymanRs if the gt4 is built with the track in mind then it will be a pdk as we all know its quicker!it will almost most likely have a highly tuned 3.4 giving circa 375hp at circa 8k rpm! so with the above in mind will the 981 gts x73 with bucket seats and manual box be a better purchase for the road and occasional track use?or will the fabled gt4 be something great following in the footsteps of the the gt3?or just another porsche marketing exercise! ps mrd love the pick surprised it hasnt been taken down by the mods! Edited by itsybitsy on Thursday 14th August 22:32

I think you really grow into the R, you push it more, you change the geo, it is a great car to drive and I had a 2005 Cayman S. I still think it's the best car I have owned from 50 cars inc 4 or 5 from the evo 200. If they up the torque in the new model then it will be better to drive, fixed buckets and 6 pots will help it over the GTS . Bar that does It need much else bar a bespoke colour and nice aero kit. Ajustable lca would be sweet so I can keep it in warranty and also keep it manual :-) as I still have 2 working legs and arms. And a true PSM off please !!! After living with the R for 12k miles I don't want a GT type of car, the R is ni on perfect , just a tad more power please.

I think you really grow into the R, you push it more, you change the geo, it is a great car to drive and I had a 2005 Cayman S. I still think it's the best car I have owned from 50 cars inc 4 or 5 from the evo 200. If they up the torque in the new model then it will be better to drive, fixed buckets and 6 pots will help it over the GTS . Bar that does It need much else bar a bespoke colour and nice aero kit. Ajustable lca would be sweet so I can keep it in warranty and also keep it manual :-) as I still have 2 working legs and arms. And a true PSM off please !!! After living with the R for 12k miles I don't want a GT type of car, the R is ni on perfect , just a tad more power please.

MrD, you're now seeing double after watching that video for too long!

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Alpinestars said: MrD, you're now seeing double after watching that video for too long! I think we all are . What were we talking about ?

I think she likes me.

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1560 said: You cheeky little blighter. Reminds me of the 991 GT3 track shots at Imola, Porsche allowed them to be taken but it did not give the final game away. Gotta love the Porsche PR team, they are much better at this than the Mclaren team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84838260&amp... 0.10s

Don't like it! Maybe it would look better in Viper Green?!

New boxster spyder in black next to it? Cool colour! //edit: no, the ducktail isn't big enough. Edited by EricE on Wednesday 28th January 14:55