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YOUR RESEARCHTurboS PCCB - Should I be worried?
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3) It's feasible to replace the PCCB's with standard brakes - some owners who tracked their cars did just this and re-fitted the PCCB's when it came time to sell
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Replace when the last 25% of friction material is remaining(not
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Pad wear needs to be watched and pads changed when the last 25% of friction material is remaining(not when the pad limit warning light comes on
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Plus fitting of course - probably a £7000 job at an OPC, so perhaps you might be correct.
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3) It's feasible to replace the PCCB's with standard brakes - some owners who tracked their cars did just this and re-fitted the PCCB's when it came time to sell
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Does anyone know the replacement costs for discs and pads and the facts about what you can replace together (i.e.
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3) It's feasible to replace the PCCB's with standard brakes - some owners who tracked their cars did just this and re-fitted the PCCB's when it came time to sell
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3) It's feasible to replace the PCCB's with standard brakes - some owners who tracked their cars did just this and re-fitted the PCCB's when it came time to sell
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Hi All,
Thought process (see my other thread) might lead me towards looking for a 996 Turbo-S.
Should I be worried about the standard-fit PCCB brakes?
I've read loads of stuff about how expensive they are but that they also have a long life.
Does anyone know the replacement costs for discs and pads and the facts about what you can replace together (i.e. can you do just fronts or just rears etc)
I don't usually factor in brake/tyre costs etc when buying cars as they are just a fact of owning a performance car but PCCB is making me nervous!
I stand to be corrected on the following:
1) Porsche guaranteed the PCCB for around 175,000 miles when first launched but subsequently withdrew this when the discs started cracking up - thought to be as a result of drivers tracking their cars and going into the gravel traps
2) I believe that you can't replace one and that you need to do all four - cost is around £ 5,000 a disc = £ 20,000
3) It's feasible to replace the PCCB's with standard brakes - some owners who tracked their cars did just this and re-fitted the PCCB's when it came time to sell
4) IMO I wouldn't worry too much about the PCCB's except to get in inspected to make sure there are no cracks etc prior to purschasing the car
Don't scare the poor guy Andrew - the list price for a set of discs and pads is only £13,615 inc VAT. Plus fitting of course - probably a £7000 job at an OPC, so perhaps you might be correct. :dont know:
Sorry! But then I don't see there being much difference between £ 13,000 (plus fitting) or £ 20,000 as I wouldn't want to be paying either amount.
From what I've read if the discs are in good condition then you shouldn't loose sleep unless you tracking the car on a regular bases - if so then consider fitting standad brakes and put the ceramics in the display cabinet at home until it comes time to sell
As for the squeal, mine do so on occasions but never to the extent that I've found them to be annoying. Don't know about wear of the pads but would have thought they would be much the same as on standard discs :dont know:
Cool, thats fine then.
I suppose I'm just trying to get a feel as to whether i'm just better off looking for a tidy std turbo with x50 or source a turboS and have the PCCB while I'm at it.
£13k for brakes is crazy - don't get me wrong!!
It would be nice to know the breakdown of pad/disc cost though - as if pads only last 20k miles then they'll need to be replaced at some point long before the discs etc.
I'm not expecting track-work at all - maybe 1 or 2 laps of the ring but that'll be it - and I'll be taking it VERY STEADY!
Having just seen online a couple of spanking TurboS's (17k miles!) I really really do like them...
there plenty of threads around on this subject - here are a few
http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=41458&highlight=996+pccb
http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=623208&hw=++996++pccb&nmt=Porsche
Ceramic Composite Brakes - pros and cons??
http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=641558&hw=++996++pccb&nmt=PCCB:
are they really that bad?
Front Disks: £3468 each
Rear Disks: £3042 each
Front Pad Set: £297
Rear Pad Set: £300
Like Andrew says, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Worst thing that could happen is that you might end up changing them for steels if you get a serious problem.
Most(but not all) PCCB issues on 996's are the fronts. The brake bias on the 997 is different than the 996(997 spreads the load more evenly across front and rear). The smaller 350mm front 996 PCCB discs(vs the larger ones on the 997) do take a lot of braking force and generate lots of heat(sometimes too much).
Also, the 996(GT3 and Turbo) front brake cooling was not the best. GT2's appear to be better at cooling front PCCB's. You can buy an air duct cooling kit for the 996 fronts that does help. I'd do it if I had a 996 Turbo with PCCB's.
Tracking PCCB's is usually ok providing they are not very long sessions with lot's of heavy braking as the fronts can start to cause excessive heat related issues(aka delamination). Pad wear needs to be watched and pads changed when the last 25% of friction material is remaining(not when the pad limit warning light comes on
). Always do a cooling down lap if on track to bring the PCCB temps down before parking the car.
They are awesome brakes though when looked after and fully understood. :thumb:
Any ideas of what the cost is / involved in the change to steel?
Does it require new calipers / caliper mounts / hubs etc or is it just a simple disc/pad swap?
Would ceramic discs have been an option or standard on this model ?
The costs for replacement are ridiculous, even for the more-money-than-sense brigade.
They were standard on the Turbo S.
Interestingly, there is a recent thread on PCGB forum, where a Turbo S owner has just clocked up 100,000 miles, and is still on the original disks and pads.
http://www.porscheclubgbforum.com/fb.asp?m=478819
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