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YOUR RESEARCHConsumer reports was right about wax
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I use 3M "dealer wax" but want to try this Rejex I have been hearing about....."Oh Eric.."
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And with most enthusiasts cleaning their cars very often and spending many hours, the variations in durability aren't even that revelant, an enthusisast can't help himself but to clean his car...
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The product I use not only looks better, but lasts longer.
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I think the hand car wash guys I use polish the car with Zymol.
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Believe me I've used all the products I listed on black cars like yours(black is where you see what's good and what isn't).
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And with most enthusiasts cleaning their cars very often and spending many hours, the variations in durability aren't even that revelant, an enthusisast can't help himself but to clean his car...
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And with most enthusiasts cleaning their cars very often and spending many hours, the variations in durability aren't even that revelant, an enthusisast can't help himself but to clean his car...
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At that point you can use an orbital polisher like a Porter and cable with an orange cutting pad and a compound for very deep tough scracthes, or a mere polish for most minor marring.
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Someone on here posted a thread about cr's reviews on some waxes. The winner was Black Magic's product so I picked some up. Back in October I washed and waxed my car. It was a nice day yesterday so I decided to wash my car and was very surprised at how well the wax held up. The paint still had a "wet" look to it. I don't have much time to do a full detail and I was very happy with the results.
most waxes from the big companies do a nearly identical job to each other. Believe me I have tried everything once, over the counter and boutique. Its very very difficult to tell the difference if you don't spend allot of time detailing. In other words I never bought a wax or polish that was at least $8 from an autostore that didn't do a great job.
The big differences aside from shine(which there is little difference in),
are:
ease of use,
value,
durability,
compatibility with other brands and
the ability to to ward off dust.
In these areas there are big differences.
As a general rule though Consumer Reports are not really detailing experts. Other than covering the basics on durability and price their opinions on things like levels of shine are very subjective. I do consider their other opinions on the automotive industry (like their recent thrashing of Mercedes) to be very valuable.
It's not about the wax, it's about the surface prep. If you have a ton of micro-scratches, swirl marks, and deposits on the paint then the best wax in the world won't make that look good.
On the other hand, Turtle Wax will look good on a surface that's been properly clayed, cleaned and glazed.
-Charles
Claying will not remove micro marring or scratches. Claying will remove imbedded polution, tar, grime, etc giving you a clean smooth surface to work with. At that point you can use an orbital polisher like a Porter and cable with an orange cutting pad and a compound for very deep tough scracthes, or a mere polish for most minor marring. If I have serious scrathes I use an orange pad and compound very carefully to level the paint. I think use a white and or blue pad with PS21 or 3M Hand Glaze polish to get out minor marrings. I then seal the paint with a sealer and wax. Basicalll your steps are clean, polish, protect. Klasse All in One is a great product to eliminate a couple of steps. Here are a couple of results from my hard work ;-)
That is one of the most stunning Black Porsches I've ever seen.
As for the wax debate, I put it to bed nearly 3 years ago when I took delivery of my '04 C4S Cab. Told 'em to leave it in paper. Spent weekends cleaning it up. Let it go 45 days or so, then completely detailed it using Rejex on the final stage. Been using it ever since. Never a doubt. The stuff does what it says it will do.
If the paint is tired and needs help, that's another story. Bring it back to life (OCBen has some tips too), then hit it with your favorite wax or sealant.
I have to say that I have a ton of product on the shelf. Different maufacturers paint reacts differently. So you have to play with the right combo of pad and compound to get it right.
No matter how I prep and fix my paint I always follow with Rejex. The dang stuff works and works well. Once my car is done I just use my leaf blower to dry her off. Much less damaging to the paint.
Here was my first 996, a black C2. This paint took a LOT of work to bring back.
Yet the M5 took a totally different tact in polishing.
Wash, clay, polish, wax; last weekend. These pics were taken bout 2 months ago. Your black will always look clean, if you stay on top of it. Black is the best color on the road IMO, but it is ALOT OF WORK to keep her this way. I use 3M "dealer wax" but want to try this Rejex I have been hearing about....."Oh Eric.."
I think we all tie for best black cars. I can honestly say that this will be the last black car I ever own. Never ever again will I put myself through the trouble. Part of the problem is I am OCD about it, and it is a daily driver. Not a good combination when you live in a place as dirty and with crazy weather like Houston, Tx. Silver all the way next time for me. I just do not have the will any longer.
I think about 99% of people who owned a black car say the same thing. Including me! My last was triple black and going from that to silver/red could not have been more dramatic. My interior always looks clean and I can go weeks without a full detailing (the kind I used to have to do every weekend with black) and the exterior paint still shines bright day or night. Anti static sprays have made a big difference as well. AS sprays and Claying are the two most valuable detailing tools I have to keep the car 10/10's for days and days.
As far as Turtle Wax, don't knock it. Look at the ingredients in it and compare to 99% of all over the counter and mail order products. The basic ingredients are almost all identical to Black Magic, Mother's, Meguiar's and the expensive boutiques. The amounts of those ingredients are more concetrated in the boutiques and "diluted" in the over the counter products to curb the potential for novice disaster. But there is no magic ingredient in any one brand, don't believe the hype. Give me the proper swirl removal pads and polishes, some varying grades of clay and I'll make a Turtle Wax products car look EXACTLY as good as an identical car prepared in Zaino, Rejex, Klasse, Poorboys, FK1, Clear Kote, Souveran etc.
You should go post in the concours forum, and then sit back and wait for the retaliatory strike from the on-site 'pro detailers'.
Of course, if I was making a living off of detailing, I might want to put some FUD out there about which obscure products & processes you had to use for that 'special' finish........
Short for Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.
You might suggest that there are things about certain products which just might be bad for your cars paintwork for example, or that some products are longer lasting because of some undisclosed compound... etc etc
It's a common sales tactic to try and dislodge people from their existing product choices.
Believe me I've used all the products I listed on black cars like yours(black is where you see what's good and what isn't).
I have friends who have detailed high end cars for over nearly 20 years and they couldn't tell a difference between Zaino,Klasse,etc. or when I just used Meguair's or Mothers and both of those over the counter lines are no better than the recent offerings from good ole' Turtle Wax. There has been a sharp increase in sales of car care products with the whole aftermarket car explosion. Alll the big car care products have responded and want a piece of the millions enthusiasts are spending. And with most enthusiasts cleaning their cars very often and spending many hours, the variations in durability aren't even that revelant, an enthusisast can't help himself but to clean his car... some more. He'll never leave it be for weeks or months to test the durability.
Turtle Wax products and the "lower end" lines from Pepboys may require a little bit (lil bit) more elbow grease and durability is not as good as Zaino or Poorboys, Meguiars but you would have to be a very very experienced detailer to eyeball which car had which product. Now that would be a great Consumer Reports test.
Which car has $300+ in Zaino/Poorboys/Clear kote and which has $100 in over the counter stuff?
I agree with you absolutely, perfectlap!
It's the surface itself to begin with, and the process and technique that makes more of a difference.
I can't understand how people are led to believe in products costing 5 or 10 times more!?
I too have tried all of the products as mentioned above and can tell the difference between most of them. The product I use not only looks better, but lasts longer. I washed my Black car 3 times this summer! We just did my friends Ferrari 550 and the guy almost lost it...there is my friend a difference.
It would be fun to go to a concours event and look at all the 996s and see who polishes with what products and then compare them.
As for me, I'm stilling finishing a bottle of Liquid Glass (which has to be years old). Who am I kidding? I don't even wash the car myself in the winter up here. I think the hand car wash guys I use polish the car with Zymol.
However, I like what I've heard from the Zaino supporters and will be giving it a shot when I need more wax/polish/whatever in the summer.
You would be surprised how many of those concours events are won by Meguiars and Mothers which don't have the rep of the boutique brands.
Go to a concours and defy one of the judges to point out which car is using which high end polish/wax. They can't do it. Cars that have been well prepared before polishing and waxing and subsequently layered many times are virtually indistinguishable by brand. Certain synthetics create glassier/harder shines than natural bio waxes (which tend to produce warmer wetter looks) but that's rarely associated with brand name.
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try wasing your car with a bucket of warm water and an ounce Optimum No Rinse. Takes 5 minutes and its much easier on the paint than a full on suds wash.
It will save you a trip to the car wash, a few dollars and allot less swirling. If you do go to car wash bring your own drying towels. The car washes always use cheap towels.
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