Selling your car? Watch out!

http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?O...7-c589c01ca7bf I hope this is not a new method to steal your car. This is crazy stuff. Very sad.

I was wondering if this guy was on any P-car sites...just tragic!

Excuse my language, but that is ****ED UP!

No kidding!

that really sucks...but I have to say...I have sold some of my old cars...and I ALWAYS MEET AT A BUSY LOCATION...PERIOD. They never ever ever come to my home...I always go to the local HOME DEPOT parking lot..or STARBUCKS or gas station... What was he thinking? Having 2 guys come to your place...you are asking to be jacked. I am sorry for his death..but you have to practice a little common sense in these things. really sad story....

+1

Crazy- and this is not the first time I have heard of this in Denver- just sucks altogether

Good thing we have concealed Carry law here in Mo. Next time I sell a car, I'll have my trusty Glock 27, 40-caliber (sub-compact) , strapped.

I didn't think this stuff happened in Colorado... Yeah, always meet at a busy place.

when selling high end vehicles, you should meet the prospective buyer in front of your local police station, accompanied by a friend (mine usually work INSIDE the station).

"Police Station" ... Now that is the best place to meet for sure. Even at busy Retailer sites you could still get car jacked. Also having a friend with you could be a help too.

Would my "FAL" be a bit to much?

Rifle?

FN FAL

YES

Yes he was on this site. I knew him. It is very sad indeed. I heard about it from my wife this morning. One of our friends lives in the neighborhood and the girlfriend with Sergio at the time it happened. She ran over to our friends house. Tragic.

He didnt meet at his house, he did meet at a busy spot. The problem I see is meeting that late in the evening. Tragic none the less.

It was in Boulder not in Denver. Pretty big difference. Last homicide was in 2002.

Sorry -I missed that- I knew of a carjack/murder with an expedition in lafayette (close to boulder for those not in CO) about 2 years ago and was shocked then as well- terrible tragedy no matter where it was I guess

Life is too precious. Sorry to hear the sad news! I always have my pals with me wherever I go. Smith & Wesson that is.

It's things like this that make me glad I pay tax dollars to house these waste of life human beings hoping they rot to their death in prison. Sound harsh? Maybe, but this in unbelievable. Killed for a car. My sympathies and prayers for the man's family.

yeah..bringing my GLOCK is a good idea..but yeah going alone is also bad news. rest in peace.... and eff those bastards that shot him for a damn car.

I got a call last might from a friend making sure it wasn't me (all the news said was a Porsche involved). It is just awful. My sympathies to his family and g-friend...in our not so little town of Boulder!

I must take issue with that. No one asks to be carjacked. "Asking for it" is a blame-the-victim response we all use as a defense mechanism so we can tell ourselves it couldn't happen to us. Well, it could. No one's judgment is perfect. Sure, you should try to avoid evening meets, and private meets, but we make choices in all those decisions influenced by many factors, like work schedules and geography. It could happen to anyone. Even carrying your sidearm is no guarantee against crime. Sure, bring it to the meet, but then what do you do when they pull a gun and want your car? (Even though action beats reaction, I'd advise you to let them have your car rather than draw.) There are no guarantees. My sympathy to the victim's family; let's hope the police catch the killers, and soon, CP

Those f'n low-lifes are unbelievable, willing to take another's life for a car. I know what I'm about to say is unproductive and may be insensitive, but in every one of these instances, I can't for the life of me understand why one wouldn't simply just give up the car? If the latest news report is accurate, the owner apparently was shot while trying to wrestle with the suspect for the gun. Why trade your life for your car??? For the sake of your loved ones and friends, please just let them take the car. No material possession is worth your life. This is just so sad...

I am glad you guys posted this, because I would have never thought of something like this! It is very very sad that this happens!!! happened! I sold my wifes car 2 year ago and had the buyer come to my house...like I said never thought of something like this! I will make sure never to meet at home again and will meet with someone in front of a police station!! My heart goes out to his family especially around this time of the year....makes something like this (if possible) even harder!!!

Cold blooded ********. Its only a matter of time until that kind of stuff makes its way up here.

Damn, I had 4 buyers check out my bimmer at home before I sold it. I never even thought of that possibility. I think it really doesn't matter where you meet, anyone could pull off anything anywhere, especially when he's test driving the car. Just sick what criminals will do for just a car.

I don't think the p-owner is to blame in any way for what some soul-less scum would do for a car. Look at some of the convenience store robberies now days. The clerk gives up the money without confrontation...and then gets shot for being a witness. Ever park your porsche in your driveway? What if these same criminals knock on your door? Sad that we have to even worry about these things. Prayers to the family and friends.

This is why you have a friend present. If you go for a test drive, the friend goes with you, not the buyers partner. And for extra security if you feel uneasy, your friend should be armed in the backseat .

Will a gun fire in that cold of weather

This world is full of crazy *** people.

Yeah, I dig what you're saying, but isn't it sad that we have to go thru' all that paranoia just to sell a car? What a place we live in...

my sentiments exactly... pretty sad. I would never have been so paraniod to think aobut some of the stuff discussed here.

My suggestions were for those that felt uneasy dealing with people that they didn't know. Apparently, you've never been held at gunpoint or shot at............"I'm not paranoid, just cautious"

You are absolutely correct. I have never been in situations like that.

Consider yourself very lucky. It's a scary situation.

I guess part of it is that I'm naturally cautious, so have not put myself in situations like that... but even with caution you can end up in bad places.

Oh man, if that's what the standard procedure is, or has to be. Forget it. That's a place I don't want to be living - not worth it, time to get out of there I'd say. That's just terrible what happened. Sympathies go out to that man who was killed - It's shocking to think he was on the forums here.

what a bunch of degenerates...capital punishment fits the bill for folks like these.

BTDT... however, I've sold lots of cars from home and never had a problem. And when I bought my current p-car, I went to the guy's house, and he wasn't strapped... Paranoia is a wonderful thing, it can keep you safe. It can also suck the enjoyment out of your life. Meeting in front of the police station may sound like a great idea, but all the cops are inside, right? Ain't gonna do you any good when you drive off and two miles down the road they force you out of the car. Anyway, I agree with the comment that you just let them take the car if they ask for it. Hell, you're selling it anyway, no big loss! Michael

From my earlier posts, I suggested that you only take the buyer with you along with your friend. Police stations generally have officers in the parking lot that are either going on patrol or coming in. The quote about paranoia was my humor ( I am trained to handle myself very well). The part of being held at gunpoint and shot at happened when I was younger. If someone is armed and trying to take your car, by all means, give it up.

I wasn't trying to argue your comments, even though it came out that way, sorry. The idea of taking your friend along (and leaving the buyer's friend behind) is a good one. He's gotta be a pretty good friend though, to get stuck in the back of a 911! In my experience though, one rarely sees a LEO actually in the parking lot of their building. It's the old expression, there's never a cop around when you need one! However, just the suggestion of meeting there is a good idea, to discourage the theives. My point is that yes, common sense says be careful, but in reality, it is the exception rather than the rule that a potential buyer turns out to be a murdering fool. You can probably get a good sense of the person from the phone call (and/or emails) and decide at that point if they should meet you at home or in a parking lot with three of your shotgun-toting buddies hanging around with you. Michael

True, you can get a sense (sometimes) of the person you are dealing with. As far as police officers being near, my experience is from L.A. (Hollywood Division)

I guess when it's your time to go, it's time to go. 20 years ago I was robbed at gunpoint while sitting in my car at a McDonald's parking lot in broad daylight. They took my wallet and watch, but I put up a struggle when one of them reached for my keys in the ignition (I presume to prevent me from chasing after them). At the time, I thought they were trying to take the car, so I didn't want my dad to lose his car -- huge mistake! The gunman whacked me on the forehead with the gun barrel, then took off when other cars started pulling into the parking lot. As they ran, one of them turned around and fired two shots in my direction, shattering both the driver and front passenger windows. I can still remember hearing the bullets wheezing by. I didn't need the police or my dad to tell me how lucky I was to escape with only a gash on my head. Ever since then, I've thought many times about getting "protection" to guard against being a victim again, but my imagination runs wild about potential gunfire in public, not to mention my kids' accidental access. When it comes down to it, I don't think I could squeeze the trigger anyway, so I'm leaving it to fate and my vigilance. One of my good friends grew up without a mother because she wouldn't give up her brand new Lexus to a carjacker. The gunman pulled her out of the car and threw her on the ground, but she actually got back up and wouldn't let go of the door, so he put a bullet in her head as her family and friends looked on in horror. I showed my friend this thread, and he was nearly in tears. Just let them have what they want. A life is irreplaceable.

I second Ucube here. Especially the following three points: If you couldn't use the gun, don't have one. Guns are mostly dangerous to the children who live with them. It's a car. A car . And you have insurance.