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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">As the Cayman is released into the wilds we all are interested in real owner’s views. (Since I’ve not seen one yet and mine is being built very soon I’m really interested) <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">What we know. <li class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in">The Cayman is beautiful by almost anyone’s standards. <li class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in">It is an accomplished handler. <li class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in">Almost any color combination and set of wheels is appealing. <li class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in">It’s a Porsche. <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">What we want to know more about. <li class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in">Is the ride overly harsh? <li class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in">Is lowend torque sufficient without running up the revs? <li class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in">Are the blind spots in the rear an issue? <li class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in">Is the small tank going to limit usefulness (Western U.S driving distances are pretty long) <li class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in">Is engine heat in a confined cockpit a problem? <li class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in">Will real life performance be better than advertised? <li class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: list .5in">Can it possibly live up to the pre-introduction hype? Edited by - Santa Fe on 12/06/2005 2:42:55 PM

I saw one in the flesh over the weekend in a dealer here in No. VA. It was afully loadedArctic Silver with the Carrera S 19' wheels. Sticker was $71K plus. Iwas able to sit inside the cockpit and I could say I felt comfortable (am 5' 11). While inside, I also took note of the blind spots which I must say won't be a problem as long as you change lane properly. This will be my first Porsche and I must say that seeing the left-front fender bulge thru the drivers seat was a first for me. I took some pictures of the car as well as fiddled with front and rear hatches - to check on the storage areas. Overall I'm quite impressed with the build quality of the car.My dealer has informed me to expect delivery hopefullybetween the 2nd or 3rd week of Feb. next year. Happy Motoring!

Bat_Zignal, Which dealer (Arlington or Tysons)?

Newport Autosport here in Newport Beach, CA has had a silver on black Cayman S (pretty basic trimmings but for the 19' carrera wheels) and it's absolutely stunning. I know I'll get flamed for this but... I actually didn't like the way this newest P car looked in pictures. I thought it was, God forbid, the second ugly Porsche (I find the Cayenne to be hideous). Pictures don't do the vehcile justice. It's stunning. There's plenty of room inside and plenty of storage. Compared to my NSX, there's a ton of headroom, in fact. The one area that I did find a bit troublesome was the blind spots. They're big but not huge. And with the exception of the NSX, they're some of the smallest of mid engined cars I've driven and/or sat in. I still kind of feel that Porsche might be asking a bit too much for the new Croc. but it sure is beautiful.

The title of this thread reminds me of a soap opera... /fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/MWPX/beer2.gif

I just finsished reading an article in the January 'Sports Car International' it was superb! If you haven't got the magazine I suggest that you do. The article is titled 'Love at First Bite', 'once the swabian reptile gets ahold of you it won't let go'. I loved everything they said enough to want to read it again righ now! Russ

What we want to know more about. Here is my views: Is the ride overly harsh? I am still deciding, I seem to be getting used to it and my wife did not mention it this morning on her first drive. Is low end torque sufficient without running up the revs? Seems ok so far. Are the blind spots in the rear an issue? Nope, not for me. Is the small tank going to limit usefulness. Currently getting 23.4 mpg and that has been in some horrible traffic. Is engine heat in a confined cockpit a problem? Nope. Will real life performance be better than advertised? Feels mighty fast to me. Can it possibly live up to the pre-introduction hype? Goes way beyond for me.

Philcoh I'm interested in your comments regarding the ride quality. Does you car have PASM ? I've ordered 19' wheels and decided to leave the PASM off. However, I have been surprised by the ride height of actual cars that are filtering through, the gap between the tyre and the body seems to be much bigger than expected. I called my dealer yesterday to try to add PASM to the spec, purely to lower the car for visual reasons. I'm still waiting to hear from the dealer, but Porsche have moved my build date from Jan to Dec 22nd so it probably isn't possibe. What kind of comments are you getting from people who have never seen a Cayman ?

Steve: No PASM for me, ride height is not something that bothers me. Looks fine to me. It is quite a lowish looking car, sitting in the car park next to Mercs and BM's it does seem very low. As this is a daily car for me I need to have a degree of practicality and if its too low I will be scrapping speed bumps. The young uns at work seem to all approve. Many comments on it being refreshing and despite its family resemblence is a very modern looking car.

Cheers for the update, interesting to read the positive comments regarding the cars styling. It seems to be one of those cars that looks quite different depending on wheels and colour combinations. It's also hard to gauge the size and height etc until you see them out on the open road.

Philcoh, Don't forget to post some pictures of your car in this thread: http://www.planet-9.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=744&FORUM_ID=1&CAT_ID=1&Forum_Title=Cayman+Chat&Topic_Title=New+Owners+Show+a+Photo+Here%21&whichpage=2&tmp=1#pid6836

Philcoh, Sorry if this has said before but which wheels did you get? Thanks, Ruby

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr id="quote" noshade="noshade" height="1" /> Compared to my NSX, ... I still kind of feel that Porsche might be asking a bit too much for the new Croc. but it sure is beautiful. <hr id="quote" noshade="noshade" height="1" /></blockquote> Da Hapa, Hmmm, I'm not sure why you feel Porsche is asking toomuch for the Cayman considering you drive a NSX. Let me highlight some of the specs below. NSX Cayman base price 89,000 58.900 HP 280 295 TQ 224 250 BrakesF 11.7' sliding calipers F 12.5' cross-drilled 4 piston Brembo calipers R 11.9' sliding calipers R 11.8 cross-drilled 4 piston Brembo calipers weight 3153 2954 AND the Cayman is a Porsche, NSX is Honda. I feel the Cayman is priced right. The only over priced car here is the NSX. 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NSX 3.0 AT: Aluminum alloy with cast iron cylinder-liners [/quote]</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"><span class="content"> Horsepower @ rpm (SAE net) *[/quote]</td> <td valign="top"><span class="content">NSX 3.2 MT: 280 @ 7100 NSX 3.0 AT: 250 @ 6600 [/quote]</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"><span class="content"> Bore and Stroke [/quote]</td> <td valign="top"><span class="content">NSX 3.2 MT: 3.66 in. x 3.07 in. NSX 3.0 AT: 3.54 in. x 3.07 in. [/quote]</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"><span class="content"> Torque (lb.-ft. @ rpm) [/quote]</td> <td valign="top"><span class="content">NSX 3.2 MT: 224 @ 5500 NSX 3.0 AT: 210 @ 5300 [/quote]</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"><span class="content"> Redline [/quote]</td> <td valign="top"><span class="content">NSX 3.2 MT: 8000 rpm NSX 3.0 AT: 7500 rpm [/quote]</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"><span class="content"> Displacement [/quote]</td> <td valign="top"><span class="content">NSX 3.2 MT: 3.2 liters (3179 cc) NSX 3.0 AT: 3.0 liters (2977 cc) [/quote]</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" colspan="2"> <span class="listsmalltext">*For 2006, Acura is complying with the new SAE standard for measuring horsepower and torque. This new method slightly reduces a vehicle's horsepower rating and torque due to more stringent testing procedures. 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17 94Y[/quote]</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"><span class="content"> Anti-Lock Braking System (ABS) [/quote]</td> <td valign="top"><span class="content">Dual diagonal, power-assisted, 4-wheel ventilated disc brakes[/quote]</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"><span class="content"> Front Disc Brakes [/quote]</td> <td valign="top"><span class="content">Ventilated, 11.7 in. diameter, 1.1 in. rotor thickness [/quote]</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"><span class="content"> Rear Disc Brakes [/quote]</td> <td valign="top"><span class="content">Ventilated, 11.9 in. diameter, 0.83 in. rotor thickness[/quote]</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"><span class="content"> Parking Brake [/quote]</td> <td valign="top"><span class="content">Rear, mechanical [/quote]</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"><span class="content"> Shock Absorbers (front and rear) [/quote]</td> <td valign="top"><span class="content">Gas-filled with progressive valve technology[/quote]</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table 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rear) [*]Xenon High-Intensity Discharge (HID) project-beam headlights [*]Rear-window defroster with timer [*]Side-window defoggers [*]Side-impact door beams [*]Day/night rearview mirror [*]Rear-spoiler-integrated LED Center High Mount Stop Light [*]Impact-absorbing interior surfaces [*]Non-protruding switches and controls [*]Safety glass [*]Emergency trunk opener [/list] [/quote]</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table cellspacing="3" cellpadding="3" width="415" border="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan="2"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="content"> <ul type="square"> [*]Automatic climate control system [*]Acura/Bose® Music System with 165-watt continuous power, AM/FM stereo cassette, 6-disc CD changer and four speakers [*]Theft-deterrent system with electronic immobilizer [*]Cruise control with steering wheel-mounted controls [*]Remote Keyless Entry System [*]Power windows with key-off feature [*]Power door locks [*]Full instrumentation with dark blue-faced gauges, including: speedometer, tachometer, fuel, battery charge, water temperature, oil pressure [*]Tilt and telescoping steering column [*]Driver's and passenger's door threshold trim with vehicle's production number [*]Carpeted floor mats [*]Door-mounted courtesy lights [*]Cargo-area light [*]Remote trunk, hatch and fuel-filler door releases [*]Dual beverage holders [*]Locking glove compartment with light [*]Digital clock [/list] [/quote]</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table cellspacing="3" cellpadding="3" width="415" border="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan="2"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="content"> <ul type="square"> [*]Deeply bolstered sports seats with perforated leather-trimmed interior (body-color-matched interior leather available) [*]Driver's and passenger's 4-way power seat adjustment [*]Leather-wrapped steering wheel, gearshift knob and parking brake [*]Full-length center console [*]Full cargo-area carpeting [/list] [/quote]</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <!-- Exterior Features <table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="3" width="415"> <tr bgcolor="#C0C0C0"> <td colspan="2">/images/common/trans.gif<span class="content"> Exterior Features [/quote]</td> </tr> <tr> <td>/images/common/trans.gif</td> <td>/images/common/trans.gif</td> </tr> </table> --> <table cellspacing="3" cellpadding="3" width="415" border="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan="2"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="content"> <ul type="square"> [*]Cooling System NSX 3.2 MT: 16.9 US quarts NSX 3.0 AT: 17.4 US quarts [*]Fuel Tank - Approximately 18.5 U.S. gallons (70 liters) [*]Engine oil with filter: 5.3 US quarts [/list] [/quote]</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table cellspacing="3" cellpadding="3" width="415" border="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan="2"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="content"> <ul type="square"> [*]Recommended Fuel - Premium Unleaded; 91 octane [*]EPA estimated fuel mileage (city/highway) 17/24* 6-speed manual - 17/24 4-speed Automatic - 17/24 <span class="listsmalltext"> *Use for comparison purposes only. California figures are the same. Based on 1999 figures. [/quote] [/list] [/quote]</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table cellspacing="3" cellpadding="3" width="415" border="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan="3"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3"> (Exterior) </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> Wheelbase </td> <td valign="top"> </td> <td valign="top">99.6 in.</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> Overall Length </td> <td valign="top"> </td> <td valign="top">174.2 in.</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> Overall Width </td> <td valign="top"> </td> <td valign="top">71.3 in.</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> Height (unladen) </td> <td valign="top"> </td> <td valign="top">46.1 in.</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> Coefficient of drag (Cd) </td> <td valign="top"> </td> <td valign="top">0.32 </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> Coefficient of lift (Cl) </td> <td valign="top"> </td> <td valign="top">Front .073 Rear .025</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> Frontal Area (A) </td> <td valign="top"> </td> <td valign="top">19.16 sq. ft.</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> Air Drag Coefficient (Cd x A) </td> <td valign="top"> </td> <td valign="top">0.57</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> Curb Weight (NSX Coupe/NSX-T) </td> <td valign="top"> </td> <td valign="top">NSX 3.2 MT: 3153 lbs. MT NSX 3.0 AT: 3197 lbs. AT </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> Weight Distribution (% front/rear)(6MT) </td> <td valign="top"> </td> <td valign="top">41/59</td> </tr> <tr> <td></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3"> (Interior) </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> Head Room </td> <td valign="top"> </td> <td valign="top">36.3 in. (922 mm.)</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> Leg Room </td> <td valign="top"> </td> <td valign="top">44.3 in. (1125 mm.)</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> Hip Room </td> <td valign="top"> </td> <td valign="top">53.8 in. (1367 mm.)</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> Shoulder Room </td> <td valign="top"> </td> <td valign="top">52.5 in. (1334 mm.)</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> Passenger Volume </td> <td valign="top"> </td> <td valign="top">48.9 cu. ft.</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> Cargo Volume </td> <td valign="top"> </td> <td valign="top">5.0 cu. ft.</td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> Total Interior Volume </td> <td valign="top"> </td> <td valign="top">53.9 cu. ft.</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table cellspacing="3" cellpadding="3" width="415" border="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan="2"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="content">Vehicle - 4-year/50,000-mile limited warranty* Outer Body Rust-through - 5 year/unlimited-mile limited warranty* 3.0-Liter, 3.2-Liter V-6 Engine - First scheduled tune up at 105,000 miles** Roadside assistance/Total Luxury Care (TLC) - 4 years/50,000 miles Accessories 4-year/50,000-mile limited warranty + [/quote] <span class="listsmalltext">*Ordinary maintenance or adjustments, parts subject to normal wear and replacement, and certain other items are excluded. See your Acura dealer for the terms and conditions of limited warranties. **Does not apply to fluid and filter changes or periodic inspections. Please refer to the maintenance section of your owner's manual to determine all appropriate maintenance intervals. + When installed at the time of new vehicle delivery. [/quote]</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </td> <td width="10"></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" bgcolor="#e5e5e5" height="25"> <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" border="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td background="/images/nsx/shadow_nsx_lefthorizontal.gif" colspan="2" height="60"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" background="/images/common/footer_tileline.gif" height="25"> </td> <td background="/images/common/footer_tileline.gif"> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> Edited by - VicL on 12/07/2005 09:40:46 AM

AND the Cayman is a Porsche, NSX is Honda. You realize that is a dog on Porsche. Porsche could never come close to building cars with the precision or reliability of Acura(Honda) that being said the nsx to some people(myself) is the greatest car ever crafted or owned. but in todays world it is a dog. It set the sports car world on its *** when it was released in 91 and then again in 97 when hp increased and 6sp was added. It toasted the 911 and Ferrari in the early years but for whatever reason Acura(honda) did not keep it on the cutting edge and in turn kept it the same yet increased the price. It was built by hand by the oldest and most experienced employees hence the high price. to nsx lovers like me, I would pay this high price for this car knowing without modification, it is not in the cutting edge class of sports cars. Thats OK because I have the financial means to buy you and your family 10 times over and can buy any sports car I want. I would choose the nsx. j/k i am quoting some wacko from renntenn.

NSXBONE, You mean that all of your post was a quote from someone from Renn? I thought those were your words? If it is a quote from someone else then I have no comment. Russ

IT is also similar to my love for the last years of the 928. At this time, some car place in springfield ,Mo is selling a 95 928 gts with 11,000 miles on it. To me this the most beautiful porsche ever made and if I really had the financial means to own it at the $55,000 price(insane) that they want I would buy it. It would prob get dusted by the newer cars that cost similar but who cares. nsx/928 and the 355 ferrari are 3 of the best lookig cars ever made. You can tell I am a bit old school with the cars I love but thats me.

No all the words are mine except the buying your family part. That part is from a post on renntenn from k-man s. It was a friendly dig on him. Please I would love to hear your comment Edited by - NSXTBONE on 12/07/2005 12:11:13 PM

I can't lay claim to that original statement, only that I regurgitated somethingI heard on Sopranos on Rennteam to make a point, NSXTbone was trying to be funny, not necessarily succeeding, but trying nonetheless... he'd old school! /fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/MWPX/shades_smile.gif

NSX, I did enjoy your post, and your point of view. I do think it is a gorgeous car, almost bought one several years ago, but couldn't come up with the dough. I thought the last line was tacky and in poor taste, and usually anyone that says something like that has some serious insecurities, glad it wasn't from you. Aloha Russ.

As a present owner of a mint 928 GT I tend to agree........one of Porsches best models.......fantastic driving machine. Haven't really felt like buying another Porsche except for the Cayman in a looooong time. The NSX was always one of my favorites also. To me it was the poster child for the phrase 'you don't need huge wheels and tires for perfect handling'.......build the car with the correct layout and suspension and you don't need them. Still an awesome car by todays standards IMO.......same for the last years of the 928.

And now back to the orginal question/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/MWPX/thanks.gif

SF, Ha ha! Sorry we did get a little off of the original topic so I will restate it, <p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">What we want to know more about. <li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">Is the ride overly harsh? <li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">Is lowend torque sufficient without running up the revs? <li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">Are the blind spots in the rear an issue? <li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">Is the small tank going to limit usefulness (Western U.S driving distances are pretty long) <li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">Is engine heat in a confined cockpit a problem? <li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">Will real life performance be better than advertised? <li style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">Can it possibly live up to the pre-introduction hype?

I know I'm not actually an owner yet, but based on a very thorough test drive (well as thorough as you can be in 35 mins or so) - here are my answers: (caveat - it really does depend what you're coming from in terms of your expectations) 1. No. Not even with the 19's (PASM normal). 19's and PASM sport is OK but appreciably firmer. 2. No it isn't. Ideally it could do with a bit more. The car only fully comes alive at 5500rpm. Below that it is still quick, but not fantastically responsive. 3. Not particularly. That said, I didn't try any tricky reversing manouvers. In normal driving it's fine. 4. No. It'll be better than a 997S and a BMW M3 E46, for instance. 5. No. 6. On twisty roads, oh yes. In a straight line, it'll do what the figures suggest. For comparison, an E46 M3 feels (and probably is) faster up to about 100mph in a straight line. The Cayman S would be quicker and more fun down a twisty road, wet or dry. 7. Depends who you are and what you want from it. My honest guess is 'No', because much of the 'hype' has been praiseworthy of the highest order. Hope that helps, if only a little. I'm really looking forward to getting mine - just trying to be as objective as I can in the above. Stunters

There is no doubt the NSX is a great car, however, most folks will agree the feedback is not the most exciting compared to today's sports cars in the same price range. The NSX sets the bar for dependability and everyday driving comfort while enabling the owner to enjoy lots of fun at the track....but ( you knew that was comming), its a Honda and the Cayman is a PORSCHE!!!

Hence my biggest issue withmany Porsche owners. They like and appreciate the nsx, but would not buy one because the Acura(Honda) logo on the car would crush their massive ego and reveal their insecurities of having to be admired. It prob started from the 'Porsche there is no substitute' line from the Tom Cruise movie. They were prob watching the movie at the theater with another a/v room buddy in the glenwood theatre thinking I can't wait to impress the hot girls when my acne clears up and I can afford a Porsche so people while finally pay attention to me. The lastparagraghof course is a dramatization and does not reflect the views of most owners but I have got a few in my mindwho it is right on for. You know who you are. ;-)

Hey guys can you all take the NSX/Porsche thing somewhere else? I'd really like to hear from people who now own or are test driving the Cayman. Most of us care nothing about this debate.