The £100k Cayman GT4 - Page 3 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

Just thought I would start this now as we have had our first speculator comments for cars offered for sale before being confirmed, ordered, specified etc. at above list. So when will there be a GT4 for sale at £100k+ ??? All depends on total numbers produced and whether there are 2016 cars and PDK and an RS etc. My guess would be for early 2017.

Gents how many (pointless) topics on GT4? Any moderator to merge in one topic? :/

I love this forum sometimes..all about bloody values Surely too many variables to tell. How about a thread about GT4s on track or how great a road trip would be in one?

RBT0 said: Gents how many (pointless) topics on GT4? :/ About one tenth of those for 991GT3s. Did anyone mention deviated stitching or coloured wheel centres or smoked rear lights or front lift ........

I think you are all letting avarice get the better of you here! AP said they will make more GT4 than GT3, so it wont be quite as limited, and thus values may yet go down. Don't read too much into that one advert - there is always a dealer somewhere selling the latest thing above RRP before anybody can get one, but that is a long way off suggesting prices will go up like GT3. This is a greedy little forum - lets focus on how good the car is, and what spec people are thinking of ordering.

Agree worthless thread

Won't happen ever, looks a fantastic car no doubt, but no one is ever going to pay £100k for a Cayman. That's more than a gen 2 997 GT3, and as good a car the GT4 might be it won't be that good. Besides this won't be as limited as people keep saying, I expect they will make plenty.

I would be livid if i had a depo down on a GT4 and missed the cut, only to see others punting them straight on for a big profit. Car manufacturers should have a foolproof way to stop this happening.

pete a said: Won't happen ever, looks a fantastic car no doubt, but no one is ever going to pay £100k for a Cayman. That's more than a gen 2 997 GT3, and as good a car the GT4 might be it won't be that good. Besides this won't be as limited as people keep saying, I expect they will make plenty. But people are paying £40K over retail for a 991 GT3? I hate to get dragged into speculation over prices but I see every possibility of a £100K Cayman during its initial release. It's not a huge leap, a £75K car going to £100K. What else do you buy, a 5 year old 997 Gen2 GT3? Doesn't sound such bad value to me when you make that comparison. Actually, I've just bought a Gen2 GT3 to use while I wait (hopefully) for the GT4. Collecting next week. I'll happily tell you what I think when I get the GT4. Personally, I'll be disappointed if the GT4 isn't as good.

PR36 said: I would be livid if i had a depo down on a GT4 and missed the cut, only to see others punting them straight on for a big profit. Car manufacturers should have a foolproof way to stop this happening. Yes - make more cars so that customers can buy them!

m33ufo said: Actually, I've just bought a Gen2 GT3 to use while I wait (hopefully) for the GT4. Collecting next week. I'll happily tell you what I think when I get the GT4. Personally, I'll be disappointed if the GT4 isn't as good. That will be an interesting comparison to read when you get it, I'll look forward to a real worl comparison from someone who's not a journo in Porsches pocket. What's the spec and colour of the GT3 your picking up?

pete a said: That will be an interesting comparison to read when you get it, I'll look forward to a real worl comparison from someone who's not a journo in Porsches pocket. What's the spec and colour of the GT3 your picking up? It's a white 997 Gen 2 in comfort spec, lift, pcm, cruise....a few other bits and bobs I can't recall. 20k miles, 1 owner, 12months Porsche warranty. Hoping to collect next week. I had no intention getting another car between selling the GT2 and getting the GT4, but even if I get one, looks like it'll be 6 months off.

Should track GT3 prices imo say a nice GT4 is £74k and a nice GT3 is £115k the gap should remain the same on prices imo so to that end spec for spec should track at £40k below the 991 GT3. the GT4 looks to be way more fun, I don't think of it like a Cayman, that's a big mistake when you look a the evo Vid, think of it more like a GT3 with out the rear seats. GT3 shocks, ball bearing top mounts, forged fuchs wheels, GT3 steering, 918 seats, Adjustable control arms, you can even corner weight it. look at this vid, it's dull as dish water, it's Porsches GTR, a fast lapper nothing more imo, I would be board of it quite quick and in fact don't even want one. People like them for the speed, I don't see what else they offer, jurno's like them as they can jump in it and be like Lewis. http://youtu.be/OijhOQhonsI now look at this vid ! http://youtu.be/CvDD8V9Liq8 Driving a PDK is dull as dishwater, flatters the driver, which I guess people want, but it's F**king dull. the GT4 is about interacting with the car ,it looks like a machine and there is nothing else on the market like it. it's a very exciting car to me. Porsche were forced to build the 991 GT3 for speed, they did that, they have now room for the GT4 which is the drivers car. to quote every ones fav Walter >-) "The GT4 is a perfect handling car, it’s a proper race car with a mid-engine. Lets say on a twisty mountain road, like in the Alps, I’m sure you’re in the right car if you’re in a GT4." he then goes on to say , "yes at the ring the GT3 is faster so the better car, but if you want fun driving the GT4 is a fantastic car." key word in there is "FUN" Edited by PorscheGT4 on Wednesday 11th February 08:48

N PorscheGT4 said: Should track GT3 prices imo say a nice GT4 is £74k and a nice GT3 is £115k the gap should remain the same on prices imo so to that end spec for spec should track at £40k below the 991 GT3. the GT4 looks to be way more fun, I don't think of it like a Cayman, that's a big mistake when you look a the evo Vid, think of it more like a GT3 with out the rear seats. GT3 shocks, ball bearing top mounts, forged fuchs wheels, GT3 steering, 918 seats, Adjustable control arms, you can even corner weight it. look at this vid, it's dull as dish water, it's Porsches GTR, a fast lapper nothing more imo, I would be board of it quite quick and in fact don't even want one. People like them for the speed, I don't see what else they offer, jurno's like them as they can jump in it and be like Lewis. http://youtu.be/OijhOQhonsI now look at this vid ! http://youtu.be/CvDD8V9Liq8 Driving a PDK is dull as dishwater, flatters the driver, which I guess people want, but it's F**king dull. the GT4 is about interacting with the car ,it looks like a machine and there is nothing else on the market like it. it's a very exciting car to me. Porsche were forced to build the 991 GT3 for speed, they did that, they have now room for the GT4 which is the drivers car. to quote every ones fav Walter >-) "The GT4 is a perfect handling car, it’s a proper race car with a mid-engine. Lets say on a twisty mountain road, like in the Alps, I’m sure you’re in the right car if you’re in a GT4." he then goes on to say , "yes at the ring the GT3 is faster so the better car, but if you want fun driving the GT4 is a fantastic car." key word in there is "FUN" Edited by PorscheGT4 on Wednesday 11th February 08:48 "Car you've not driven (but don't want to buy) is less fun than other car you've not driven (but do want to buy)...."

PorscheGT4 said: Should track GT3 prices imo say a nice GT4 is £74k and a nice GT3 is £115k the gap should remain the same on prices imo so to that end spec for spec should track at £40k below the 991 GT3. the GT4 looks to be way more fun, I don't think of it like a Cayman, that's a big mistake when you look a the evo Vid, think of it more like a GT3 with out the rear seats. GT3 shocks, ball bearing top mounts, forged fuchs wheels, GT3 steering, 918 seats, Adjustable control arms, you can even corner weight it. look at this vid, it's dull as dish water, it's Porsches GTR, a fast lapper nothing more imo, I would be board of it quite quick and in fact don't even want one. People like them for the speed, I don't see what else they offer, jurno's like them as they can jump in it and be like Lewis. http://youtu.be/OijhOQhonsI now look at this vid ! http://youtu.be/CvDD8V9Liq8 Driving a PDK is dull as dishwater, flatters the driver, which I guess people want, but it's F**king dull. the GT4 is about interacting with the car ,it looks like a machine and there is nothing else on the market like it. it's a very exciting car to me. Porsche were forced to build the 991 GT3 for speed, they did that, they have now room for the GT4 which is the drivers car. to quote every ones fav Walter >-) "The GT4 is a perfect handling car, it’s a proper race car with a mid-engine. Lets say on a twisty mountain road, like in the Alps, I’m sure you’re in the right car if you’re in a GT4." he then goes on to say , "yes at the ring the GT3 is faster so the better car, but if you want fun driving the GT4 is a fantastic car." key word in there is "FUN" Edited by PorscheGT4 on Wednesday 11th February 08:48 So in the first sentence let us know that a 981 GT4 is a 991 GT3 without rear seats and then you proceed to tell us that a 1340kg 981 GT4 is closer to a 700kg SWB 911 with perspex windows in terms of "driver interaction" than to a 1430kg 991 GT3 with better power to weight ratio? Because of the gearbox!? I don't even know where to begin. Baffling what putting money down on a car will do to some people. (unless you are a professional forum troll - I cannot tell?)

from experience of owning 50+ cars and doing 50+ track days and owning dull as f k automatics vs driving manuals imho ofcourse,

PorscheGT4 said: from experience of owning 50+ cars and doing 50+ track days and owning dull as f k automatics vs driving manuals imho ofcourse, Have you driven a PDK-S car before? Just curious

sidicks said: "Car you've not driven (but don't want to buy) is less fun than other car you've not driven (but do want to buy)...." yes I cannot abide auto's for fun, I feel board s tless in them, don't have to have driven 1 car in particular to know this. I drove the 458S and yes it was awesome for a go, but it's still an auto and less involving and I would hanker after doing all the things the guy in the 2nd vid is doing after a few months. What is funny is, it was you guys slating the GTR at launch for being a playststion car then you guys go and buy one just with another badge on it. you could not make this s t up I tell you :-p

PorscheGT4 said: yes I cannot abide auto's for fun, I feel board s tless in them, don't have to have driven 1 car in particular to know this. I drove the 458S and yes it was awesome for a go, but it's still an auto and less involving and I would hanker after doing all the things the guy in the 2nd vid is doing after a few months. What is funny is, it was you guys slating the GTR at launch for being a playststion car then you guys go and buy one just with another badge on it. you could not make this s t up I tell you :-p Who is 'you guys'?? 1. I've never made such comments about the GTR 2. No one credible is claiming that the GT3 is anything like the (heavy) 4-wheel drive GTR I guess you need to justify your choice to yourself somehow..

How old are you out of interest?

TheAnimal said: Have you driven a PDK-S car before? Just curious Assume not. Apparently all 'autos' are the same...

sidicks said: Assume not. Apparently all 'autos' are the same... they are yes, no clutch and gear lever ! as we have said new market etc. PDK vs manual we have been here before , I'll let Cmoose have the battle of all battles with you about it again if you like lol

hondansx said: How old are you out of interest? Old enough Edited by PorscheGT4 on Wednesday 11th February 09:50

georgeq said: So in the first sentence let us know that a 981 GT4 is a 991 GT3 without rear seats and then you proceed to tell us that a 1340kg 981 GT4 is closer to a 700kg SWB 911 with perspex windows in terms of "driver interaction" than to a 1430kg 991 GT3 with better power to weight ratio? Because of the gearbox!? I don't even know where to begin. Baffling what putting money down on a car will do to some people. (unless you are a professional forum troll - I cannot tell?) you missed my point, re read the last 6 words :-) I made no reference to a GT4 being like a SWB 1995 911 ? I was trying to show , o forget it, you would never understand ! As for money down, 600 or so people have money down, does not mean much atm does it with 100 or so 2015 cars available ! Edited by PorscheGT4 on Wednesday 11th February 09:59

PorscheGT4 said: they are yes, no clutch and gear lever ! Being pedantic maybe, but PDK has two clutches and a gear lever

PorscheGT4 said: they are yes, no clutch and gear lever ! as we have said new market etc. PDK vs manual we have been here before , I'll let Cmoose have the battle of all battles with you about it again if you like lol And therefore all 'manuals' are the same... And if the manual aspect is the only thing you find 'fun' on a car then you could have the same fun siting at home moving a lever and pressing some pedals. Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 11th February 10:28 Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 11th February 10:29

I reckon you could spec one up to £100k on the configurator anyway edit: I could only manage just under £93k! http://www.porsche-code.com/PG1ZURY8 Edited by theRossatron on Wednesday 11th February 11:35

pete a said: GT4 should have really good residues I'm not sure I'd class them as really good, but they'd definitely show up under UV light.

Don't care about any of this, but when something is not interesting you get bored. A board is something you surf on or make partition walls from. Carry on

nsm3 said: Don't care about any of this, but when something is not interesting you get bored. A board is something you surf on or make partition walls from. Carry on Or your wife does the ironing on?

GT4 Not sure if you've notice before but the GT3 doesn't have rear seats... What a load of old crap you talk!

or add a bit of water and torture people on... Considering the long gearing and the stiff suspension, im surprised that some people are contemplating such a car

pete.g said: I'm not sure I'd class them as really good, but they'd definitely show up under UV light. I love PH, one spelling mistake and that's what gets mentioned.

pete a said: pete.g said: I'm not sure I'd class them as really good, but they'd definitely show up under UV light. I love PH, one spelling mistake and that's what gets mentioned. Sorry. No offence intended to you at all; I was aiming at those who seem to be leaving their "residue" all over the GT4, in a metaphorical sense. (I hope . . .)

pete.g said: pete a said: pete.g said: I'm not sure I'd class them as really good, but they'd definitely show up under UV light. I love PH, one spelling mistake and that's what gets mentioned. Sorry. No offence intended to you at all; I was aiming at those who seem to be leaving their "residue" all over the GT4, in a metaphorical sense. (I hope . . .) I think we are just amusing ourselves as there is nothing concrete to fawn over or complain about. What we need is a review or something.

pete.g said: pete a said: GT4 should have really good residues I'm not sure I'd class them as really good, but they'd definitely show up under UV light. ROFL

Wow, nobody has even driven one yet except AP I suppose and he doesn't count because his job is to sell it. I think the GT4 will be epic, let's the face it the Cayman GTS is pretty bloody fantastic and this is lighter, aero, and more powerful so should be epic. As to the vids, the GT3 vid did look bloody boring but he wasn't even shifting himself with the paddles, just letting the car change gear for him, maybe it's more exciting pulling a paddle before the car rev matches for you???? By comparison the other vid of the stripped out air cooled race car is not really the experience the GT4 is going to bring, that just made me think of James May when he brought the Aston Martin 24hr car to the Alps, imagine Porsche GT4 sitting in his underwear pouring water on himself because of no air con Mr Demon in his GT4 really feeling the driver involvement. (no offense meant Dave ) Back on topic, GT4 should have really good residuals but not £100k ever, though I'm sure if they ever do this will be quoted back to me very quickly. Edited by pete a on Wednesday 11th February 12:29

Having just seen the asking prices for a 991 GT3 (crazy) at 150k, I can't see any reason why the GT4 won't go up by similar % Last of a dying breed manual, very limited availability, 380bhp plus, arguably better balanced....

R MB 1 said: Having just seen the asking prices for a 991 GT3 (crazy) at 150k, I can't see any reason why the GT4 won't go up by similar % Last of a dying breed manual, very limited availability, 380bhp plus, arguably better balanced.... Manuals are making a come back. This is just the beginning...

TheAnimal said: Manuals are making a come back. This is just the beginning... +1 and thankfully this proves that they are still listening to the market. They'll milk the "N/A+manual"-cow for a while to come. I suspect the the purist GT-models will be more expensive (they don't want to sell too many of them or it'll ruin their CO2 average) but that's fine with me as long as they're available.

swimd said: ..They'll milk the "N/A+manual"-cow for a while to come. I suspect the the purist GT-models will be more expensive (they don't want to sell too many of them or it'll ruin their CO2 average) but that's fine with me as long as they're available. This ^

PorscheGT4 said: Should track GT3 prices imo say a nice GT4 is £74k and a nice GT3 is £115k the gap should remain the same on prices imo so to that end spec for spec should track at £40k below the 991 GT3. the GT4 looks to be way more fun, I don't think of it like a Cayman, that's a big mistake when you look a the evo Vid, think of it more like a GT3 with out the rear seats. GT3 shocks, ball bearing top mounts, forged fuchs wheels, GT3 steering, 918 seats, Adjustable control arms, you can even corner weight it. look at this vid, it's dull as dish water, it's Porsches GTR, a fast lapper nothing more imo, I would be board of it quite quick and in fact don't even want one. People like them for the speed, I don't see what else they offer, jurno's like them as they can jump in it and be like Lewis. http://youtu.be/OijhOQhonsI now look at this vid ! http://youtu.be/CvDD8V9Liq8 Driving a PDK is dull as dishwater, flatters the driver, which I guess people want, but it's F**king dull. the GT4 is about interacting with the car ,it looks like a machine and there is nothing else on the market like it. it's a very exciting car to me. Porsche were forced to build the 991 GT3 for speed, they did that, they have now room for the GT4 which is the drivers car. to quote every ones fav Walter >-) "The GT4 is a perfect handling car, it’s a proper race car with a mid-engine. Lets say on a twisty mountain road, like in the Alps, I’m sure you’re in the right car if you’re in a GT4." he then goes on to say , "yes at the ring the GT3 is faster so the better car, but if you want fun driving the GT4 is a fantastic car." key word in there is "FUN" Edited by PorscheGT4 on Wednesday 11th February 08:48 mrDemon, since when has a GT3 ever had rear seats...?...!