Drivig difference between Cayman and 911 - Page 3 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

To those Cayman owners that also have good experience of a 911, is there much difference in the driving experience comparesd to a 996 or 997, and for the better or worse as a daily with some occasional country roads? £30k budget and seriously tempted by 911 but would be gen 1, so would money be better in Gen 2 cayman? only need 2 seats. A lot of the "Get a 911 as you will regret it otherswise", but would you really in a newer Cayman S?

I've had 2 x 997.1's (C2S & GT3), now have a 981 CS and have driven a 991C2S. This may be controversial, but if we are talking road driving only, IMHO unless you are really giving it the berries, the differences aren't that readily noticeable (although I didn't like the drive of a 996 C4S when I had my 7.1 C2S - felt wooden?). Once you start to hammer into and out of tight corners or try to take sweeping curves at high speed, the handling differences then start to display themselves, but if seen doing it, you may well get banned? It's an old adage, but you need to drive them yourself, no amount of feedback from here will help?

Generally speaking, if you don't need four seats, get a Cayman. There's no other real reason to get a 911 these days other than the perceived status.

I've owned a 987.1 Cayman S for almost 9 years. I've never owned a 911 but have driven four 996 and 997 models (996 C4S, 996TT, 997 C2, 997 C2S). I'd say that a Cayman is more stable under braking, understeers less when driven in a conventional manner, turns in better than a 911. Steering weight is heavier too, and I thought the steering feel of the Cayman was nicer than the 997. The 911 models counters with better traction on corner exit and a deeper, gruffer engine note. The 4WD versions are more useable/quick everywhere but are less delicate in their delivery. The Cayman is easy to get into the groove with, the 911 requires more thought in order to go quickly in it. I was coming from an E46 M3 and a VX220 Turbo (sold both to get the Cayman S) and I preferred the Cayman's dynamics pretty decisively. But I can see what the fuss is about with the 911. Hope it helps. Ideally do what I did and test drive two or three cars back-to-back at an OPC.

From a driving perspective, I'd argue that the Cayman and 911 are 'different' rather than one being 'better' or 'worse' than the other. The key advantage of the Cayman is that you can get a newer car for your money.

I've ever driven the 981 Caymans, as loaners, but I'm always happy to get my 997 back. I like the faster PDK box and the sound of the 981. I find they feel a bit down on grunt compared to my 3.8 and that they make some strange road noise, presumably due to the rear hatch area. I think I like the 'wrongness' of the 911's dynamics and a Cayman can't help with that.

The 911 is slow in and fast out. With a Cayman you can carry more speed into a corner and get on the power earlier afterwards but the superior grip of a 911 is noticeable on the way out giving more noticeable acceleration. Try both and see which you prefer.

You are in the mid-engined section of the forum, so you are more likely to get support for the Cayman here. (And you'd get it from me too) It might be as well to ask the same question on the 911 section too, if you haven't already done so. You might get a different answer - certainly a different perspective.

If you do go Cayman see if you can stretch to a Cayman R. For the extra money you will have car that is a sure fire modern classic and may even not any lose any value going forward as there aren't many around. Peridot with PCCB, buckets and spyder wheels. With GT4 around the corner I expect a few to become available on the market soon. Perfect

For me jumping from one to the other, the Cayman/boxster chassis just feels alive where as in comparison the 997 just feels a touch clumsy old and numb, I bought the 911 after 6 month in a 3.2s Boxster as the 4 seats came in handy as the kids wanted to come out with us but never gelled with it from day 1 and quickly sold it,I decided to return to Pork last year and a 911 was never in the equation, I bought a Gen 2 Boxster unseen over the phone and It felt great from the first drive, on a spirited driving It really does hang on well in the corners and feels nicely balanced when playing on the limit. Im currently debating on trying the 991 to see if that feels any better but have to say I love the look of the latest Boxsters , I will need to drive both before I decide which way to jump but suspect it wont be the 911. Edited by JeffC on Wednesday 18th February 17:57

Nice figures Cmoose, I'm guessing it was the recession that killed off production. I love my Cayman but if money were no object I'd be inclined to vote for the 911 on two simple things; power and looks. The latter is subjective but the former is more substantial. The Cayman is only 320bhp and it does show from time to time, in fact just recently I got my arse handed to me by a new BMW M4, its been a while I've had a car pull away from me at such a rate of knots.

SkinnyPete said: Nice figures Cmoose, I'm guessing it was the recession that killed off production. I love my Cayman but if money were no object I'd be inclined to vote for the 911 on two simple things; power and looks. The latter is subjective but the former is more substantial. The Cayman is only 320bhp and it does show from time to time, in fact just recently I got my arse handed to me by a new BMW M4, its been a while I've had a car pull away from me at such a rate of knots. On road you can't beat a a lightly fettled 911 turbo tbh. You literally leave everything this side of a Macca 650S standing in your wake . M3, M4, GTR etc etc just like they're standing still. I was cruising at 50mph the other day with a new M5 and we both gave it the beans in third. Wasn't funny how far he was left behind lol. Childish but I love it You know what though who cares if the M4 left at such a rate of knots. Your is a far nicer steer

SkinnyPete said: I love my Cayman but if money were no object I'd be inclined to vote for the 911 on two simple things; power and looks. The latter is subjective but the former is more substantial. The Cayman is only 320bhp and it does show from time to time, in fact just recently I got my arse handed to me by a new BMW M4, its been a while I've had a car pull away from me at such a rate of knots. Isn't this about bar bragging rights rather than important issues? In reality a Cayman S has as much real road performance as you can sensibly use 99% of the time on British roads at least.

anonymous said: [redacted] Yes first Boxster was genius IMO. The car that saved Porsches bacon because it was so good.

ABSOLUTELY ICONIC! i'm an out & out Boxster fan.

IMIA said: If you do go Cayman see if you can stretch to a Cayman R. For the extra money you will have car that is a sure fire modern classic and may even not any lose any value going forward as there aren't many around. Peridot with PCCB, buckets and spyder wheels. With GT4 around the corner I expect a few to become available on the market soon. Perfect I agree they are gorgeous, but sadly 40k is too high for me, which is what they start at.

My 2p from my experience - I've had a 996 C4S, currently got a 993 C2 and 997 GT3, adding a Boxster GTS to the stable in a few months. As others have said, there's no right or wrong answer here. I spent last Friday hooning round PEC Silverstone's tracks in a BGTS and my GT3 and loved the handling of both. I love the Boxster as it was very confidence inspiring, no big understeer or oversteer anywhere and easier to get it into a corner consistently for an amateur like me. I'm almost 100% convinced that you don't carry any more entry speed on a track like that with no run off or a B-road because of it's physical engine layout as in reality you'd drive nowhere near the limits of either car on a public road, but you might be willing to carry a bit more entry speed as psychologically you know the engine is in the "right" place for it. I love the 911 precisely because it's not like the Boxster if that makes sense! It's more difficult to get it into a corner, you're a little more wary of going in too fast, but if you're lucky/skilled enough to find the sweet spot turning in under brakes, the car seems to pivot supernaturally and point to the apex and then on the exit you can give it more loud pedal as the car just squats and goes. And when it does move into oversteer, the lovely surprise is that it's not scary like you think it will be and is very easy to ride out a little drift mentally scoring you mega man points It's a mega cliche but I think the 911 may be ultimately more satisfying as a result of its foibles. But conversely I think the Cayster is a car you can jump in and enjoy more of quicker, which if it's a car you're not going to track much (if at all) and just drive on the road may be more important. What I would stress finally is that whichever way you jump, make sure you get the geo looked at on the car and at the very least set to factory geo, or preferably to a geo that someone like Center Gravity recommend or settings that are customized to you, it makes a big difference. It's my eternal regret that my C4S was a bit of a horrible undesteery monster on track the whole time and I never pulled my finger out to get the geo sorted, I suspect it would also have been epic if I had. If you're going to spend 10s of £ks on a Porsche, a few hundred quid for a geo is a no brainer.

I test drove both 911 and Cayman back in 2006 (?) and bought the Cayman S which I still have I really liked the Cayman which I felt was more nimble, the 911 clearly had more power but for value I thought the Cayman was a clear winner (at the time Cayman S £48k vs 911 4S £90k, yes I understand the spec/tech where quite different). The Cayman is also a little more unusual, certainly back then and even now. I love my car and as it has a private plate most people have no idea it's as old as it is. Would I buy a 911 if money was no object, yes of course. First post btw, been meaning to join for a while.

Mario149 said: What I would stress finally is that whichever way you jump, make sure you get the geo looked at on the car and at the very least set to factory geo, or preferably to a geo that someone like Center Gravity recommend or settings that are customized to you, it makes a big difference. It's my eternal regret that my C4S was a bit of a horrible undesteery monster on track the whole time and I never pulled my finger out to get the geo sorted, I suspect it would also have been epic if I had. If you're going to spend 10s of £ks on a Porsche, a few hundred quid for a geo is a no brainer. As someone else said too the 996 C4S wasn't pleasant. That was certainly my experience of a 996C4 - the power to the front wheels corrupts the steering spoiling one of the 911's better features. Roadtests at the time were also less than complimentary of the C4 - so I think it's more likely a characteristic of the model rather than a set-up issue. The 991 C4S Cab I tried was far far better. Nobody has mentioned tiptronic - it might be better than some of the slushboxes of the time, but it's pretty dreadful compared with todays PDKs, so best to avoid unless auto is a must-have.

bcr5784 said: Mario149 said: What I would stress finally is that whichever way you jump, make sure you get the geo looked at on the car and at the very least set to factory geo, or preferably to a geo that someone like Center Gravity recommend or settings that are customized to you, it makes a big difference. It's my eternal regret that my C4S was a bit of a horrible undesteery monster on track the whole time and I never pulled my finger out to get the geo sorted, I suspect it would also have been epic if I had. If you're going to spend 10s of £ks on a Porsche, a few hundred quid for a geo is a no brainer. As someone else said too the 996 C4S wasn't pleasant. That was certainly my experience of a 996C4 - the power to the front wheels corrupts the steering spoiling one of the 911's better features. Roadtests at the time were also less than complimentary of the C4 - so I think it's more likely a characteristic of the model rather than a set-up issue. The 991 C4S Cab I tried was far far better. Nobody has mentioned tiptronic - it might be better than some of the slushboxes of the time, but it's pretty dreadful compared with todays PDKs, so best to avoid unless auto is a must-have. I don't think it's a 4wd issue specifically, there's very little drive (5%) going to the front wheels in normal driving. I know of several people who've owned them and liked them a lot. My suspicion is that the C4S handling is very sensitive to geo as it has a much lower torque to grip ratio than it's TT sister with the same chassis i.e. on track where you can normally get the back into play when exiting say a 50mph corner by giving it a good dose of loud pedal, there's not enough grunt in the NA engine to unstick the rear 295 section tyres on the wider track which if combined with a bad front geo that causes the front not to grip well (not enough camber maybe?) means you just push on wide. More grip at the front and removal of the driveshaft etc so that you binned AWD and some weight and I reckon you'd have a lovely car to drive on track and road that looks amazing to boot One day I'll put my money where my mouth is an do this Edited by Mario149 on Thursday 19th February 11:39

Mario149 said: I don't think it's a 4wd issue specifically, there's very little drive (5%) going to the front wheels in normal driving. I know of several people who've owned them and liked them a lot. My suspicion is that the C4S handling is very sensitive to geo as it has a much lower torque to grip ratio than it's TT sister with the same chassis i.e. on track where you can normally get the back into play when exiting say a 50mph corner by giving it a good dose of loud pedal, there's not enough grunt in the NA engine to unstick the rear 295 section tyres on the wider track which if combined with a bad front geo that causes the front not to grip well (not enough camber maybe?) means you just push on wide. More grip at the front and removal of the driveshaft etc so that you binned AWD and some weight and I reckon you'd have a lovely car to drive on track and road that looks amazing to boot One day I'll put my money where my mouth is an do this Edited by Mario149 on Thursday 19th February 11:39 The one I drove was a C4 not a C4S so it's not a wider track issue. That said the effect - lots of understeer exiting (say) a roundabout with a bit of wellie sounds the same. The steering loaded up unpleasantly under those conditions. I've only driven the one so can't be sure it's universal.

IMIA said: You know what though who cares if the M4 left at such a rate of knots. Your is a far nicer steer I agree the Cayman is a much nicer car and in the wet probably much faster and enjoyable than an M4, but my point remains they are 'only' 320bhp and sometimes you do want more. A 997 2S does sound attractive on paper at least.

SkinnyPete said: IMIA said: You know what though who cares if the M4 left at such a rate of knots. Your is a far nicer steer I agree the Cayman is a much nicer car and in the wet probably much faster and enjoyable than an M4, but my point remains they are 'only' 320bhp and sometimes you do want more. A 997 2S does sound attractive on paper at least. I've owned a 997GTS, currently own a Cayman R and have driven numerous variants of both 911 and Cayman. In your shoes, gen 1 997 or gen 2 Cayman, I'd get the Cayman. The gen 2 997/987 cars have a much nicer interior than the gen 1 cars, so feel more special as a result. Also as CMoose stated, the potential of engine failure in a gen 1 car, where there have been no issues with the gen 2 DFI, would make choosing a gen 2 car over a gen 1 a no-brainer for me. I know the Internet exacerbates gen 1 horror stories but why take the risk? it's acknowledgedthat the risk is far higher in a gen 1 car than a gen 2 (where there are no reported issues). In terms of driving dynamics, the cars are different, the 997 gen cars have lovely steering and amazing balance, the traction that the car has on corner exit is simply astounding and when you're really on it the steering wheel writhes, informing you precisely when the grip is about to go - as Mario149 says, makes you feel very handy too. Having said that, the Cayman has superb balance, sounds absolutely fantastic, the steering is also fantastic as you can hear the induction noise of the engine right behind you as well as the exhaust note. It's plenty fast enough and also feels small, so makes driving fast down small B roads an absolute pleasure. On track, it's amazing on high speed corners, but wants to understeer around hairpins. The more you drive the thing though, the more you'll appreciate it, they are great cars. It doesn't matter what car I've driven back to back with the CR, I've always been impressed with it and thought, don't really need anymore in a car. However, if you were comparing 997 GTS to CR, I'd have to go with the GTS, for a whole host of reasons but none more than I reckon it's one of the best road-biased cars I've ever driven. I'm going to try a 991 GTS soon, but I can't believe that it'll be any better than the 997, faster? Certainly, but better? Doubt it. Cars are geo sensitive though, so worth getting that looked at when you get one.

My '54 plate C2S was vague on the steering around very high speed bends, until I fitted wheel spacers, after which it was a lot more stable.

sidicks said: From a driving perspective, I'd argue that the Cayman and 911 are 'different' rather than one being 'better' or 'worse' than the other. The key advantage of the Cayman is that you can get a newer car for your money. What he said!

Thanks for all the comments so far guys, great advice coming in!

I drove a 997 Carrera S and a 987 Cayman S back to back prior to purchasing my current CS. Nothing other than the driving experience influenced me, but I chose the Cayman over the 911 because it suited my style of driving better. The Cayman also felt more modern and as already mentioned, the 911 feels quite a bit bigger.

Trev450 said: I drove a 997 Carrera S and a 987 Cayman S back to back prior to purchasing my current CS. Nothing other than the driving experience influenced me, but I chose the Cayman over the 911 because it suited my style of driving better. The Cayman also felt more modern and as already mentioned, the 911 feels quite a bit bigger. That's also interesting. We have space in other halfs Jag XF so 2 seats is all we need for ourselves. I think Cayman is coming out favourite based on being able to get a Gen 2 example alone currently.

JeffC said: the 997 just feels a touch clumsy old and numb, Edited by JeffC on Wednesday 18th February 17:57 Yep, this'll be the reason they consistently win group tests & car of the year etc! Think your statement says more about you & your driving style than the cars to be honest. Have heard numerous people say they prefer the Boxster/Cayman having owned 911's previously, I believe they are easier to drive than the 911 with it's engine in it's arse!

LordHaveMurci said: JeffC said: the 997 just feels a touch clumsy old and numb, Edited by JeffC on Wednesday 18th February 17:57 Yep, this'll be the reason they consistently win group tests & car of the year etc! Think your statement says more about you & your driving style than the cars to be honest. Have heard numerous people say they prefer the Boxster/Cayman having owned 911's previously, I believe they are easier to drive than the 911 with it's engine in it's arse! On limit handling of Cayman is spikier than 911, I would say. 911's manners on the limit are wonderfully benign, Cayman is far more snappy. However, to drive a 911 really fast you have to adopt a different driving style, personally, it suits my style of driving but I also think the Cayman is a pretty spectacularly good car. Issues with my Cayman R are the brakes (there's too much travel), the bizarre hole in the torque curve (4th gear, WOT, 32MPH - nothing happens) and the gear shift could be more precise. I'd like a bit more feel too at low speed but once you're on it, it's very, very good.

J-P said: LordHaveMurci said: JeffC said: the 997 just feels a touch clumsy old and numb, Edited by JeffC on Wednesday 18th February 17:57 Yep, this'll be the reason they consistently win group tests & car of the year etc! Think your statement says more about you & your driving style than the cars to be honest. Have heard numerous people say they prefer the Boxster/Cayman having owned 911's previously, I believe they are easier to drive than the 911 with it's engine in it's arse! On limit handling of Cayman is spikier than 911, I would say. 911's manners on the limit are wonderfully benign, Cayman is far more snappy. However, to drive a 911 really fast you have to adopt a different driving style, personally, it suits my style of driving but I also think the Cayman is a pretty spectacularly good car. Issues with my Cayman R are the brakes (there's too much travel), the bizarre hole in the torque curve (4th gear, WOT, 32MPH - nothing happens) and the gear shift could be more precise. I'd like a bit more feel too at low speed but once you're on it, it's very, very good. I had a 996 for 3 years and 50k miles, followed by my current Cayman for 7 years and 70k miles so far... I find the Cayman easier to drive hard and the slightly mobile tail is very forgiving (good news on Saturday after a very poorly-judged overtake led rapidly into a tightening slushy bend). By comparison, the 996's back end was incredibly grippy right up to the moment when it suddenly wasn't. I couldn't really say if the steering is especially different, but I do think the Cayman has slightly more comfortable ride over a long distance (that might be purely psychological). Anyway, I've loved both cars and I do miss the presence and the power of the 996, but overall I'm happier with the Cayman which is why it's now the longest I've ever owned a car.

A good car should try and kill you at every opportunity. Imagine if you were wrestling with a tiger, with both your arms tied behind your back, at night, in the pouring rain, with both of you standing on the tip of a needle.

nsm3 said: My '54 plate C2S was vague on the steering around very high speed bends, until I fitted wheel spacers, after which it was a lot more stable. One of my local OPC's senior techs said there was a lot of variation in the racks on the Gen 1 997. Some of the more vague ones had rack changes. The conversation was about Gen 1 cars, I am not sure whether the variation applied to Gen 2s as well.

LordHaveMurci said: JeffC said: the 997 just feels a touch clumsy old and numb, Edited by JeffC on Wednesday 18th February 17:57 Yep, this'll be the reason they consistently win group tests & car of the year etc! Think your statement says more about you & your driving style than the cars to be honest. Have heard numerous people say they prefer the Boxster/Cayman having owned 911's previously, I believe they are easier to drive than the 911 with it's engine in it's arse! On limit handling of Cayman is spikier than 911, I would say. 911's manners on the limit are wonderfully benign, Cayman is far more snappy. However, to drive a 911 really fast you have to adopt a different driving style, personally, it suits my style of driving but I also think the Cayman is a pretty spectacularly good car. Issues with my Cayman R are the brakes (there's too much travel), the bizarre hole in the torque curve (4th gear, WOT, 32MPH - nothing happens) and the gear shift could be more precise. I'd like a bit more feel too at low speed but once you're on it, it's very, very good.

Eleven said: nsm3 said: My '54 plate C2S was vague on the steering around very high speed bends, until I fitted wheel spacers, after which it was a lot more stable. One of my local OPC's senior techs said there was a lot of variation in the racks on the Gen 1 997. Some of the more vague ones had rack changes. The conversation was about Gen 1 cars, I am not sure whether the variation applied to Gen 2s as well. Interesting - mine was a "launch day" car (18-09-04 IIRC, which was punted on in 2 days to owner 2!) so maybe that explains it as it never had a rack change? It was never as solid at the front as my previous e46 M3, but was much improved after fitting the spacers (done for aesthetics rather than handling).

NNH said: I had a 996 for 3 years and 50k miles, followed by my current Cayman for 7 years and 70k miles so far... I find the Cayman easier to drive hard and the slightly mobile tail is very forgiving (good news on Saturday after a very poorly-judged overtake led rapidly into a tightening slushy bend). By comparison, the 996's back end was incredibly grippy right up to the moment when it suddenly wasn't. I couldn't really say if the steering is especially different, but I do think the Cayman has slightly more comfortable ride over a long distance (that might be purely psychological). Anyway, I've loved both cars and I do miss the presence and the power of the 996, but overall I'm happier with the Cayman which is why it's now the longest I've ever owned a car. Thanks; great input!

LordHaveMurci said: JeffC said: the 997 just feels a touch clumsy old and numb, Edited by JeffC on Wednesday 18th February 17:57 Yep, this'll be the reason they consistently win group tests & car of the year etc! Think your statement says more about you & your driving style than the cars to be honest. ! you own a 911 dont you If you read the OP"s opening post he is looking for comments from people that have owned both cars , he has a £30k budget so he isn't going to be looking at a GT3 and having owned both cars that fit into his budget I felt qualified in my response and stand by what I said, the Cayman chassis to me just feels better balanced and more focussed on handling than the standard 997 is, I agree with comments above that Both cars do handle very different and having raced various cars since 2002 I do have a little experience behind the wheel and can adapt to different chassis and how they respond during cornering. For me spending £30k given the Op"s choice of a car to drive personally I would go for a Gen2 Cayman however both are great cars and I am sure will enjoy either choice .

yeah the old horse is much more sensitive to suspension setup and tyres than the 987. ideally, I would want a 911 and a boxster on the drive. I regret selling my boxster but I could not justify keeping both at the time.

I own a BGTS and was lent a 991 GTS for the day while some work was being done on my BGTS. Almost identical mileages. I drove 160 miles in the 991. I came away feeling the 991 felt heavier and not as nimble. I appreciate I don't own a CGTS, but have owned a Cayman R in the past. Of the three cars my BGTS comes out top in my book. For clarity I can afford any of the main stream Porsches and I am more than happy with my choice.

I've owned numerous 911s and when I was purchasing my latest car had the choice of all the 991 variants.... bought a Cayman GTS. Don't need rear seats, smaller, more agile, better handling and £40k cheaper than the 991 GTS I specced!!!

DMC2 said: I've owned numerous 911s and when I was purchasing my latest car had the choice of all the 991 variants.... bought a Cayman GTS. Don't need rear seats, smaller, more agile, better handling and £40k cheaper than the 991 GTS I specced!!! Well said

I've had a 986 2.5, 987 2.7, 997 C4S. Not a huge difference in handling. C4S has a lot more power than the 2.7 997 but probably less noticeable against a 3.4 Boxster/Cayman. Areas with the biggest difference between the two are the small back seats, noise from the sports exhaust which is massive between the 997 and 987 (had Carnewal on 987), spec, which by default on the 997 is a lot higher (full leather, xenons both quite rare on the Box) and road presence / bragging rights, 4 wheel drive option. These are not important to a lot of people but they are to some. Really didn't notice much difference driving them on the road even at decent speeds, both cars very easy and fun to powerslide in slightly damp conditions if you left the Mrs. at home of course! Edited by jakesmith on Tuesday 24th February 13:17

cibble10 said: DMC2 said: I've owned numerous 911s and when I was purchasing my latest car had the choice of all the 991 variants.... bought a Cayman GTS. Don't need rear seats, smaller, more agile, better handling and £40k cheaper than the 991 GTS I specced!!! Well said I'm currently in this position, albeit at a slightly lower budget. Part of me thinks I need to buy the 987 Cayman - I'll get a better car for the money than with a 996 / 7, with less potential borkage and possibly cheaper to run. On the other hand, I'll look at it and think "wish I'd bought the 911"... I think once you've had your 911 'itch' scratched, this is less of a conundrum.

Seeker UK said: I think once you've had your 911 'itch' scratched, this is less of a conundrum. ETA: Somewhat O/T, I also think this applies to the whole Ferrari ownership thing as well. Been there done that twice, luckily before prices went mental, and I currently have no desire to go there again. Much happier with Porsche for the moment as they drive better than anything Italian remotely near the budget. Although I can see that I'd quite like another V12 in my life at some point like a 599 Edited by Mario149 on Thursday 26th February 11:49

Seeker UK said: On the other hand, I'll look at it and think "wish I'd bought the 911"... I think once you've had your 911 'itch' scratched, this is less of a conundrum. For many of us the 911 is a 'must have', a Cayman or Boxster, great though they are, probably aren't. If you feel that way you will always regret not buying a 911, once you've done it you're free to do what you want as you said

LordHaveMurci said: For many of us the 911 is a 'must have', a Cayman or Boxster, great though they are, probably aren't. If you feel that way you will always regret not buying a 911, once you've done it you're free to do what you want as you said Agree. I was lucky to experience a hired 997 3.6 for 2 months when my Boxster had a knock some years ago.....It was a lovely car, but no better than the subsequent Caymans I've bought..... I no longer have the itch, and I didn't have to pay for it either!