New BBS E88's on my GT3 - Page 2 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

Thought I would share a couple of photos of my new wheels complete with cup 2 tyres. Looking forward to an early morning blast tomorrow......

They are purdy...

Good man. Proper wheels.

Here is a set of gold BBS LM's. Not as hardcore as E88s but a bit similar...

Another Gold BBS fan here....

LaSource said: Here is a set of gold BBS LM's. Not as hardcore as E88s but a bit similar... What is the difference between the BBS LMs and the E88s ??? Pip

E88's LM's

Pip1968 said: What is the difference between the BBS LMs and the E88s ??? Pip LM's are designed for road use and are heavier & stronger than the E88's which were made for track use. E88's also have a greater clearance for larger brakes.

ontheloop said: Thought I would share a couple of photos of my new wheels complete with cup 2 tyres. Looking forward to an early morning blast tomorrow...... Wow they look the biz!! when you say new do you mean new if so did you get them of Gert?

Yep new from Gert. I ordered them in May. Very impressed with the wheels and I have to say the cup 2 tyres are something else. I have continentals on my OE wheels and the difference is night and day. The slightly scary thing is the clearance (lack of) between the front brake calipers and the inside of the centres. I am thinking about some 3mm shims / spacers.

Gert is a great guy and his business is simply ace! You now have the ultimate wheel/tyre/brake combo mate, E88's are crazy light & Cup2's are also very very light (getting close to slicks light)..... in fact combined with your ceramics your there! I wouldn't worry about the Rizla gap up front between caliper & wheel, they were designed like that. They are 9" & 11" with max Cup spec offsets and not designed to run with any spacers.

What sizes of cup 2s are you running on those wheels ?

keep it lit said: LM's are designed for road use and are heavier & stronger than the E88's which were made for track use. E88's also have a greater clearance for larger brakes. Also, LMs are two piece rims whilst E88s I believe are three piece. The former are much easier to work with as the barrel is all one piece with no need to seal the rim, the latter gives you greater flexibility to modify offset and rim wide via different lips. For usual road and casual track use, two piece should be fine. More focused racers may prefer to work with three pieces and different tyre sizes etc.

Jmracing66 said: What sizes of cup 2s are you running on those wheels ? stock sizes, 235/40 18 fronts and 295/30 18 rears

keep it lit said: Gert is a great guy and his business is simply ace! You now have the ultimate wheel/tyre/brake combo mate, E88's are crazy light & Cup2's are also very very light (getting close to slicks light)..... in fact combined with your ceramics your there! I wouldn't worry about the Rizla gap up front between caliper & wheel, they were designed like that. They are 9" & 11" with max Cup spec offsets and not designed to run with any spacers. I agree Gert is the man and very knowledgeable too. The fronts are 8.5 x 18 ET40. You're right about rizla gap, it certainly wound't allow for any thermal expansion! I'm not sure about the 3mm spacers but I guess if there's clearance, no matter how small, there's clearance. Whilst in there I also changed out the stock caliper bolts for studs, much better solution..........

keep it lit said: Gert is a great guy and his business is simply ace! You now have the ultimate wheel/tyre/brake combo mate, E88's are crazy light & Cup2's are also very very light (getting close to slicks light)..... in fact combined with your ceramics your there! I wouldn't worry about the Rizla gap up front between caliper & wheel, they were designed like that. They are 9" & 11" with max Cup spec offsets and not designed to run with any spacers. I agree Gert is the man and very knowledgeable too. The fronts are 8.5 x 18 ET40. You're right about rizla gap, it certainly wound't allow for any thermal expansion! I'm not sure about the 3mm spacers but I guess if there's clearance, no matter how small, there's clearance. Whilst in there I also changed out the stock caliper bolts for studs, much better solution..........

keep it lit said: LM's are designed for road use and are heavier & stronger than the E88's which were made for track use. I'm not sure it's fair to say the LM's are "stronger" than the E88s, the fragility of the E88s and BBS's "not for road use" was to do with the old Mag centres needing regular inspection, the Ali ones which they all come with now make them pretty tough but using them on the road with the bare aluminium rim means lots of cleaning or the s te gets ingrained, anodising is the best cure.

TB993tt said: I'm not sure it's fair to say the LM's are "stronger" than the E88s, the fragility of the E88s and BBS's "not for road use" was to do with the old Mag centres needing regular inspection, the Ali ones which they all come with now make them pretty tough but using them on the road with the bare aluminium rim means lots of cleaning or the s te gets ingrained, anodising is the best cure. I was referring to the hoops more than the centres which is were the wheel gets it's strength. The hoops on the LM's are one piece and are a lot thicker alloy than the very thin light hoops on the E88's which makes them a lot more susceptible to road damage. Both the centres on my E88's & LM's are alloy with the E88's being the lighter.

ontheloop said: I agree Gert is the man and very knowledgeable too. The fronts are 8.5 x 18 ET40. You're right about rizla gap, it certainly wound't allow for any thermal expansion! I'm not sure about the 3mm spacers but I guess if there's clearance, no matter how small, there's clearance. Whilst in there I also changed out the stock caliper bolts for studs, much better solution.......... Ok my front are slightly wider 9J x 18" ET46 so my gap isn't so close... interesting on the studs, have considered this a few times myself. Did you make your own studs or buy some?

Slightly off topic chaps but does anybody know where to get a set of outer rims for the Le Mans wheel? I know that BBS don't offer them but was rather hoping that somebody else did?

Steve, I assume you mean the barrel (as it is a two piece wheel). It's very difficult to find LM 'spares'. I understand the LMs are made in Japan as opposed to many other BBS models which are made in Germany. The Japanese apparently only supply full wheels. I needed a barrel a couple or years ago and in the end was lucky enough to bump into someone in a Nurburgring pit garage with an unwanted spare rim! I think with 3 piece wheels it is easier to find someone who can make up an outer rim.

Maybe speak to image wheels and see if they have something or know of a supplier.

Steve Rance said: Slightly off topic chaps but does anybody know where to get a set of outer rims for the Le Mans wheel? I know that BBS don't offer them but was rather hoping that somebody else did? Hi Steve, Here's a couple of places to try (no affiliation, just have the sites stored as favourites should I ever need them.) http://www.titanium-touch.de/felgenringe_sterne_uk... http://www.imagewheels.co.uk/ http://voodoomotorsport.co.uk/?page_id=309 Good luck ! Jamie

Steve Rance said: Slightly off topic chaps but does anybody know where to get a set of outer rims for the Le Mans wheel? I know that BBS don't offer them but was rather hoping that somebody else did? Have you considered contacting Image Wheels in Birmingham as they manufacture replicas.

keep it lit said: Ok my front are slightly wider 9J x 18" ET46 so my gap isn't so close... interesting on the studs, have considered this a few times myself. Did you make your own studs or buy some? I used the Tarett Engineering ones (http://www.tarett.com/items/996-997-products/996-997-engine~transmission~brakes~electrical/brake-caliper-stud-kit-bcsk-detail.htm)

keep it lit said: Ok my front are slightly wider 9J x 18" ET46 so my gap isn't so close... interesting on the studs, have considered this a few times myself. Did you make your own studs or buy some? I used the Tarett Engineering ones (http://www.tarett.com/items/996-997-products/996-997-engine~transmission~brakes~electrical/brake-caliper-stud-kit-bcsk-detail.htm)

Jmracing66 said: Another Gold BBS fan here.... That looks great JM! Could you have been spotted in this thread? Just remembered it when I seen yours were gold. I had thought they were silver. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... Too many cool cars on this thread to mention.

Also worth trying on www.wheel-w es.com loads of people with rare split rim wheels on there. I love E88's and the idea of anodised barrels as I use to hate trying to keep ontop of the raw polished lip on my LM's, ended up getting the outers chrome powder coated 90% of the looks with no hassle.

marky911 said: That looks great JM! Could you have been spotted in this thread? Just remembered it when I seen yours were gold. I had thought they were silver. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... Too many cool cars on this thread to mention. Thanks...I missed that thread...That must have been me !

OP, does Gert have a website or could you PM me his email? Many thanks. And congrats on the wheels, lovely. If these turn out to be too dear for me, what would people recommend for a set of track rims for a 996.2? OZ Alleggeritas?

LaSource said: Here is a set of gold BBS LM's. Not as hardcore as E88s but a bit similar... Wow, that's low! What's your set up ?

Mitch911 said: OP, does Gert have a website or could you PM me his email? Many thanks. Linky http://www.carnewal.com/Wheels#All

sleep envy said: Linky http://www.carnewal.com/Wheels#All Beat me to it.

"The price for the 9 and 11 x18 BBS E88 is 3400 euro +21%vat = 4114 euro. The current lead time is 6-10 weeks. Don't hesitate to contact me for further information. Thanks, Gert." Such a good looking wheel. I am counting my pennies!! Cheers Slodge

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rallyeman said: LaSource said: Here is a set of gold BBS LM's. Not as hardcore as E88s but a bit similar... Wow, that's low! What's your set up ? Hi - yes it does run pretty low at the front. It looks even lower due to the amount of camber it is running...the fronts disappear into the arches You've actually been in the passenger seat for a lap around the ring back in April this year The car is running Nitron 3-way dampers, top mounts, dual springs at each corner (mains stiffer than oem, but the helpers soften things on the road). Front camber was around -3 with almost straight toe. Rears slightly less cambered Since April we had the rear diff rebuilt with motorsport plates and tightened up the geo a little bit more. Also brakes uprated to GiroDiscs & RS29s All work carried out by NineExcellence. ...it runs sublime now No wayward behaviour on the road Although running low there is no crashing on the suspension or hitting bumps tops Funnily enough I have not lost the front splitter either ever! Plus just tried Cup 2 tyres as well following the previous AD08s ...and the handling on track is so very sharp...with the new diff it just grips and rotates and grips and rotates! To give you a comparison, I was not altogether happy back in April at the Ring. Something about the conditions (lower temps) and the open diff was not working. Lap times were way down compared to my 996 RS. After your pax lap in April I had the diff done, geo tightened, brakes changed, and the Cup 2 tyres. At the next trip at DN10 the car, the conditions, and my commitment were some 30 seconds faster BTG! Back to a similar pace as the 996 RS (actually slightly quicker due to a more aggressive setup, more commitment/cheaper car...despite the lack of a great clear lap) I know sounds crazy...unless you had a big breakfast the first time Edited by LaSource on Monday 4th August 22:13 Edited by LaSource on Monday 4th August 22:14

keep it lit said: Oooh...if you are going to do a white 996 RS with Gold wheels... ..then take that..!