How much to spend to get the 'special' cars - Page 5 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

Hey all, I'm just curious, what does it take to get into a dealer's good books so you have a good chance of getting the special edition Porsches (GT2/GT3s etc...) Does it vary dealer by dealer and is there a strategy in choosing a dealership to start a relationship with? (I'm wanting to possibly buy 3 x Porsches (Turbo S, Macan and Taycan) over the next 1-2 years so would be good to know before I place the first order) Thanks

From what I gather it’s about £1m.

Brown envelope?

A new car every 3 months or so is my guess. Wife, kids, self etc so easy to do if enough family members and money of course! TX.

Be quicker and easier just to let the wife give the DP a blowie. Why on earth would you ever go to these lengths just to get a Porsche?

WonkeyDonkey said: Be quicker and easier just to let the wife give the DP a blowie. Why on earth would you ever go to these lengths just to get a Porsche? Classy

Telling them you want to buy 3 cars over the next few years won’t cut it - if the DP runs out of friends ( doesn’t seem to be happening yet ) then if you are really lucky he may tell you what cars to buy before he will consider you a new friend. Stories exist of some people with no history getting an allocation so I may be completely wrong or the brown envelope that handed over was perhaps quite large.

WonkeyDonkey said: Be quicker and easier just to let the wife give the DP a blowie. Why on earth would you ever go to these lengths just to get a Porsche? Always someone jealous around.

Better to buy a 'Special' used car.

jm8403 said: Always someone jealous around. Jealous about what? Doing all this just to grease a DP's hand with no guarantee that it will get you a model you're after is laughable. Better off just buying on overs.

WonkeyDonkey said: Jealous about what? Doing all this just to grease a DP's hand with no guarantee that it will get you a model you're after is laughable. Better off just buying on overs. Not if you want new at the spec you want and to be the only owner.

I think someone on here had bought 7 cars over the last 3 years or so and then got a 992GT3 allocation. If you really want a new one then there’s no time to lose leading up to 2030. Go and buy a used GT4 from an OPC and ask them to give you a call when they have a used 991GT3 next in. Buy that and something else, then have a conversation about it. Who knows??

g7jhp said: Better to buy a 'Special' used car. This. Grantstown said: . Go and buy a used GT4 from an OPC and ask them to give you a call when they have a used 991GT3 next in. Buy that and something else, then have a conversation about it. Who knows?? And this.

S600BSB said: Classy She was rubbish and didn't swallow....no RS for you I'm afraid...

Often there are other conditions as well as buying lots of ‘normal’ cars. Such as you will need to PX your existing GT car to get an allocation. This will be £30k-40k below the level they will retail it at. Additionally you may also be required to have Porsche finance, even if you don’t need finance.

jm8403 said: WonkeyDonkey said: Jealous about what? Doing all this just to grease a DP's hand with no guarantee that it will get you a model you're after is laughable. Better off just buying on overs. Not if you want new at the spec you want and to be the only owner. I don’t understand the obsession with owning new and being the only owner. It’s so much easier and less hassle to just buy a used one. Buying umpteen cars to get the one you actually want seems so utterly pointless.

It’s more of a preference than an obsession I would say. I consider myself to be super careful when it comes to cars and, as a consequence, it’s virtually impossible to find anything used in the condition that I would want (ie; indistinguishable from new) so the the only answer is a new one.

Thanks for the comments. I wouldn't be buying the 'normal' cars just to get into one of the 'special' ones. However, IF I do end up going down the route of a few Porsches over the next couple of years; I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

Mark V GTD said: It’s more of a preference than an obsession I would say. I consider myself to be super careful when it comes to cars and, as a consequence, it’s virtually impossible to find anything used in the condition that I would want (ie; indistinguishable from new) so the the only answer is a new one. This. Not sure why it's suddenly an obsession. I am not fortunate enough to to have the millions of spare cash like some I know in the game. They dont have cars they don't want either. A couple of them run turbos as dailies, wife with cayennes, parents with something else, plus they but all the RS's/GT3's...

GiantCardboardPlato said: It’s not just about what you have spend, it’s also what it costs. The financial contributions are one thing, of course. But then you must consider the cost to your soul. Do you really want to do those things for and to the dealer staff? What are you talking about?

It’s not just about what you have to spend, it’s also what it costs you. The financial contributions are one thing, of course. But then you must consider the cost to your soul. Do you really want to do those things for and to the dealer staff? Edited by GiantCardboardPlato on Sunday 22 January 09:11

Given the variety of answers, it seems that there are no particular methods that will help secure an allocation of something “special”. It seems to me that this is like a game where you aren’t privy to the rules at the start, your “opponent” can change those rules at any time they wish and then decide the final outcome no matter how you performed anyway. Is that a game you really want to play?

Sm1987 said: Thanks for the comments. I wouldn't be buying the 'normal' cars just to get into one of the 'special' ones. However, IF I do end up going down the route of a few Porsches over the next couple of years; I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. If you do go down this route don’t forget to also spend every penny possible on servicing and the like with the same dealer - it clearly made no difference to my relevance with the dealer as did buying 4 911’s and 2 Cayennes but a lot more richer customers out there than me so fair enough.

5pen said: It seems to me that this is like a game where you aren’t privy to the rules at the start, your “opponent” can change those rules at any time they wish and then decide the final outcome no matter how you performed anyway. Is that a game you really want to play? Wise and fair words.

Depends how gullible you are. It’s a mentality that either you have or you don’t. For a car or a watch I am not spending more than the retail price if buying new. It’s just a con. With Porsche shenanigans to get say a new GT3, the money you wasted to be given that allocation you could buy a much special car and pretty much new 6-12 months old. There is a PH here that has had a lot Porsches including GTs in the US and I remember him saying not once he would pay a dime over retail. Paying over the odds for a car or watch or most things is just waiting money. Even taking in consideration the investment potential. It’s a mugs game. Saying that, each one to their one. Most people couldn’t tell the difference from a regular 911 to a GT3 anyway.

CrgT16 said: Depends how gullible you are. It’s a mentality that either you have or you don’t. For a car or a watch I am not spending more than the retail price if buying new. It’s just a con. With Porsche shenanigans to get say a new GT3, the money you wasted to be given that allocation you could buy a much special car and pretty much new 6-12 months old. There is a PH here that has had a lot Porsches including GTs in the US and I remember him saying not once he would pay a dime over retail. Paying over the odds for a car or watch or most things is just waiting money. Even taking in consideration the investment potential. It’s a mugs game. Saying that, each one to their one. Most people couldn’t tell the difference from a regular 911 to a GT3 anyway. I don't think people are paying over odds for 'other people'.

jm8403 said: What are you talking about? The cost, not just how much you have to spend, of getting a ‘special’ Porsche.

GiantCardboardPlato said: The cost, not just how much you have to spend, of getting a ‘special’ Porsche. And what does it 'cost to the soul'?!

So much misinformation in this thread I’ve decided to call Watchdog.

After a very long time of no Porsche products, I had a brain melt in summer last year and popped in to the local OPC as I fancied a 992 GTS cab for this summer Got a bit carried away and ended up putting a deposit down for a turbo s cab also with a Dec '23 slot; I made it clear that whatever I got would come back to them as a trade when the next order arrived. After that, got a call asking if I fancied a T when they were announced which I thought why not and went in, spec'd and stuck down deposit with same agreement as the indication was it would arrive before the GTS. Whilst there, I then asked about a 992.2GT3 allocation when its announced, which we then spec'd in current 992.1 form but I wasn't asked for a deposit at the time. Was told if the 1st 3 go as we discussed I shall get an allocation. Sure as hell wouldn't buy models I have no interest in. Not overly fussed if a GT3 happens; am sure i will enjoy the other 3 when they arrive; maybe even more so than a GT3.

Mankers said: Often there are other conditions as well as buying lots of ‘normal’ cars. Such as you will need to PX your existing GT car to get an allocation. This will be £30k-40k below the level they will retail it at. Additionally you may also be required to have Porsche finance, even if you don’t need finance. Taking Porsche Finance thinking it will secure an allocation for a GT car is broadly incorrect for most OPCs. It can be paid off anyway immediately after taking delivery as many car buyers do and there is no way the dealer can contractually force you to keep it in place so it really isn't a leverage. You mention the £30k to £40k difference between the p x value and retail. If an OPC offered this colossal difference on a desirable car I was selling I would run a mile! And use another OPC. Main problem these days securing limited run cars is the amount of seriously wealthy money no object buyers that have jumped on the gravytrain and you are now competing with folks who will spend £2million or more a year without blinking an eye but in their cases it isn't always to secure a GT car allocation often they would spend that anyway and as a result are offered the cream cars and obvs they invariably take them. So the days of buying a Carrera S and maybe a Macan every 2 years doesn't really cut the mustard in securing a GT Porsche unfortunately in the grand scheme of things. Folks criticise the CPs and DPs/Franchise directors but they are only running a business in the time honoured tradition and anyone who thinks they wouldn't offer the most profitable and most desirable models to the highest spending customers ££ should give their head a wobble its all about the numbers these days unlike pre 2013 991.1. GT3 which was the first model which started this trend. By coincidence I secured one of the last 991.1 GT3s from a random OPC I never used before some 8 months after the GY3 was announced the OPC located half way across the country and then they also offered me a 981 GT4 in 2015 without buying any other cars. Same story when the 981 Spyder was announced I rang another OPC 200 miles away and secured their first allocation in late 2015 despite not knowing them at all and having no buying history whatsoever. And this is for a very rare car with a total run of c only 230 UK cars. Unfortunately those days have long gone! No different to other brands of course its quite bizarre to recall that anyone even with no buying history of Ferraris 8 years ago could have walked into a F showroom and bought one of the last Speciales in fact remarkable to think there were few cars sitting unsold and could even be bought with a discount.

Yes crazy idea! Like you say for lots of people they don’t care how much it costs so they just don’t care and are happy to waste models and taking a hit on ox to be in the good books with OPC to be offered an allocation. For me it’s a difficult concept to understand and I couldn’t bring my self to waste money like that even if I had it. Just seems to wasteful.

jm8403 said: GiantCardboardPlato said: The cost, not just how much you have to spend, of getting a ‘special’ Porsche. And what does it 'cost to the soul'?! I suppose a stoic would just put up with buying 5 cars you don’t really want just to buy one you do. There’s nothing he can do to change it. A catholic would flagellate themselves regularly. Buddhists may wonder if it is karma for that time they coveted a Lotus. They should deal with it by living in the moment - be happy with the 911 they have. Jewish believers may consider it a test of their faith: Talmud said: ”If you go to the marketplace, you will see the potter hitting his clay pots with a stick to show how strong and solid they are. But the wise potter only hits the strongest pots never the flawed ones. So, too God sends such tests and afflictions only to people God knows are capable of handling them, so that they and others can learn the extent of their spiritual strength." Similar to protestants. The situation is just a test of their faith. Shintoism looks to reach a position of faith and harmony, often through purification rituals which can help followers deal with suffering. Do you have any snow foam? I don’t think I will speculate on what a rational and disinterested person would do in this situation, from this thread that conclusion appears a bit controversial. Edited by GiantCardboardPlato on Sunday 22 January 12:10

Mad Scientist said: So much misinformation in this thread I’ve decided to call Watchdog. LoL what is the correct info then. TX.

I walked into a big Porsche dealer [never set foot in there before as I don't live in this area] the day after the 991 RS was announced and asked if I could order one. He said not right now at the time, but he would take my details. He left me a voicemail a few days later that I could have one as one customer dropped out, unfortunately I was in hospital after crashing my 997 GT2, so I decided to pass on it at the time. Shows though that you can get lucky with allocations.

av185 said: Taking Porsche Finance thinking it will secure an allocation for a GT car is broadly incorrect for most OPCs. It can be paid off anyway immediately after taking delivery as many car buyers do and there is no way the dealer can contractually force you to keep it in place so it really isn't a leverage. You mention the £30k to £40k difference between the p x value and retail. If an OPC offered this colossal difference on a desirable car I was selling I would run a mile! And use another OPC. Main problem these days securing limited run cars is the amount of seriously wealthy money no object buyers that have jumped on the gravytrain and you are now competing with folks who will spend £2million or more a year without blinking an eye but in their cases it isn't always to secure a GT car allocation often they would spend that anyway and as a result are offered the cream cars and obvs they invariably take them. So the days of buying a Carrera S and maybe a Macan every 2 years doesn't really cut the mustard in securing a GT Porsche unfortunately in the grand scheme of things. Folks criticise the CPs and DPs/Franchise directors but they are only running a business in the time honoured tradition and anyone who thinks they wouldn't offer the most profitable and most desirable models to the highest spending customers ££ should give their head a wobble its all about the numbers these days unlike pre 2013 991.1. GT3 which was the first model which started this trend. By coincidence I secured one of the last 991.1 GT3s from a random OPC I never used before some 8 months after the GY3 was announced the OPC located half way across the country and then they also offered me a 981 GT4 in 2015 without buying any other cars. Same story when the 981 Spyder was announced I rang another OPC 200 miles away and secured their first allocation in late 2015 despite not knowing them at all and having no buying history whatsoever. And this is for a very rare car with a total run of c only 230 UK cars. Unfortunately those days have long gone! No different to other brands of course its quite bizarre to recall that anyone even with no buying history of Ferraris 8 years ago could have walked into a F showroom and bought one of the last Speciales in fact remarkable to think there were few cars sitting unsold and could even be bought with a discount. Pretty much sums it all up. Unfortunately these guys with fu k you money haven't been affected in the slightest by the current rising interest rates and cost of living crisis.

The dealer is the key. At least in Canada Porsche decides on the allocations to wash dealer and the dealer decides who gets the car. Before all the explosion of web info and breathless announcements , previews and videos from journalists it was possible to buy at least regular 911s by going down to the showroom. My first new Porsche was a 997 GT3RS - I had spent about a year dropping into the dealer and one day they had a cancellation -I had 20 mins to make up my mind and took it. Since then there is a cult like rush to get a new GT car ( sane with A few other brands). I followed a strategy of getting all service done at the dealer and have used the same sales person since 2007. I have since bought a couple of Cayennes aPanamera ST Turbo, a 997.2RS annd an 991RS and will shortly get a 992RS. The situation now is that supplies are tight and Porsche will give preference to a build for cars that are more heavily optioned,even for long term customers. I have had this co firmed from multiple sources. I notice quite a few GT and limited cars reappear at dealers with nominal mileages and sky high prices. Personally I will pass on a car if I have to pay more that MSRP -over time they will likely ease back from peak as the next new thing appears and the flippers rush to be the first with the latest. My advice would be to start with a more regular car and build the dealer relationship . Pick a salesperson you can get to know and don’t try to get discounts. Get the car serviced at the dealer as this is where they make money. Avoid the mistake of telling them how much money you have-they’ve heard it all before and they don’t care. I am not in the top ten customers at my dealer but I drop by to say hi to my sales rep when I have a car in for service. We are all different and it is just a car in the end. I have found with all cars including more normal vehicles (I have a Jeep for instance among others) that knowing the dealer staff and being reasonable works wonders. The people who strut around trying to show how important they are do not do so well. Unless they ARE important I suppose but I am certainly not one of those.

Or you could just start a YouTube channel seemingly and order a new 992GT3

This thread is now filled with useful information about what works and what doesn’t, so I’ve decided to summarise here for the convenience of other posters: - Buy before 2011, then you can get whatever you want, whenever you want. - Buy 5-6 cars, change every 3-6 months, get them all serviced fortnightly and pay through porsche finance. Clean the dealer’s shoes. - crash your other porsche so badly you are injured and hospitalised . The universe has a way of balancing things out. - realise the idea of an unseen, unreviewed, priority list for the ‘special cars’, one assembled by applying dynamically changing rules to determine a ranking, is a ridiculous idea, just wait and you’ll be able to buy one second hand. - (EDIT - thanks pinkhouse) start a youtube channel Edited by GiantCardboardPlato on Sunday 22 January 13:04 Edited by GiantCardboardPlato on Sunday 22 January 13:04

PinkHouse said: Or you could just start a YouTube channel seemingly and order a new 992GT3 Its not that easy. Most of these channels have been running with hundreds of videos for 10 years.

Taffy66 said: av185 said: Taking Porsche Finance thinking it will secure an allocation for a GT car is broadly incorrect for most OPCs. It can be paid off anyway immediately after taking delivery as many car buyers do and there is no way the dealer can contractually force you to keep it in place so it really isn't a leverage. You mention the £30k to £40k difference between the p x value and retail. If an OPC offered this colossal difference on a desirable car I was selling I would run a mile! And use another OPC. Main problem these days securing limited run cars is the amount of seriously wealthy money no object buyers that have jumped on the gravytrain and you are now competing with folks who will spend £2million or more a year without blinking an eye but in their cases it isn't always to secure a GT car allocation often they would spend that anyway and as a result are offered the cream cars and obvs they invariably take them. So the days of buying a Carrera S and maybe a Macan every 2 years doesn't really cut the mustard in securing a GT Porsche unfortunately in the grand scheme of things. Folks criticise the CPs and DPs/Franchise directors but they are only running a business in the time honoured tradition and anyone who thinks they wouldn't offer the most profitable and most desirable models to the highest spending customers ££ should give their head a wobble its all about the numbers these days unlike pre 2013 991.1. GT3 which was the first model which started this trend. By coincidence I secured one of the last 991.1 GT3s from a random OPC I never used before some 8 months after the GY3 was announced the OPC located half way across the country and then they also offered me a 981 GT4 in 2015 without buying any other cars. Same story when the 981 Spyder was announced I rang another OPC 200 miles away and secured their first allocation in late 2015 despite not knowing them at all and having no buying history whatsoever. And this is for a very rare car with a total run of c only 230 UK cars. Unfortunately those days have long gone! No different to other brands of course its quite bizarre to recall that anyone even with no buying history of Ferraris 8 years ago could have walked into a F showroom and bought one of the last Speciales in fact remarkable to think there were few cars sitting unsold and could even be bought with a discount. Pretty much sums it all up. Unfortunately these guys with fu k you money haven't been affected in the slightest by the current rising interest rates and cost of living crisis. Thats it Taff there is some serious money still sloshing around with massive spending power despite many incorrectly claiming most folks will have to tighten their belts atm and this essentially is the crux of the 'problem' discussed on this thread. And Aston have recently confirmed all 499 of their new £300k+ DBS have sold out so this gives you an idea of latent high spending power although unaware exactly how many are for this market tbh.

av185 said: Taking Porsche Finance thinking it will secure an allocation for a GT car is broadly incorrect for most OPCs. It can be paid off anyway immediately after taking delivery as many car buyers do and there is no way the dealer can contractually force you to keep it in place so it really isn't a leverage. You mention the £30k to £40k difference between the p x value and retail. If an OPC offered this colossal difference on a desirable car I was selling I would run a mile! And use another OPC. Main problem these days securing limited run cars is the amount of seriously wealthy money no object buyers that have jumped on the gravytrain and you are now competing with folks who will spend £2million or more a year without blinking an eye but in their cases it isn't always to secure a GT car allocation often they would spend that anyway and as a result are offered the cream cars and obvs they invariably take them. So the days of buying a Carrera S and maybe a Macan every 2 years doesn't really cut the mustard in securing a GT Porsche unfortunately in the grand scheme of things. Folks criticise the CPs and DPs/Franchise directors but they are only running a business in the time honoured tradition and anyone who thinks they wouldn't offer the most profitable and most desirable models to the highest spending customers ££ should give their head a wobble its all about the numbers these days unlike pre 2013 991.1. GT3 which was the first model which started this trend. By coincidence I secured one of the last 991.1 GT3s from a random OPC I never used before some 8 months after the GY3 was announced the OPC located half way across the country and then they also offered me a 981 GT4 in 2015 without buying any other cars. Same story when the 981 Spyder was announced I rang another OPC 200 miles away and secured their first allocation in late 2015 despite not knowing them at all and having no buying history whatsoever. And this is for a very rare car with a total run of c only 230 UK cars. Unfortunately those days have long gone! No different to other brands of course its quite bizarre to recall that anyone even with no buying history of Ferraris 8 years ago could have walked into a F showroom and bought one of the last Speciales in fact remarkable to think there were few cars sitting unsold and could even be bought with a discount. Yup I tend to agree with most of these thoughts. The situation today is a far cry from how things happened back then. I’ve just looked at my old invoice for a GT3 back in 2008/9 when it said after payment of a £10k deposit , subject to allocation and supply. I was no 12 on the list then and when I got it I had improved to no 3 - given the financial scene at the time possibly with good reason.

av185 said: Thats it Taff there is some serious money still sloshing around with massive spending power despite many incorrectly claiming most folks will have to tighten their belts atm and this essentially is the crux of the 'problem' discussed on this thread. And Aston have recently confirmed all 499 of their new £300k+ DBS have sold out so this gives you an idea of latent high spending power although unaware exactly how many are for this market tbh. I think the press said this - I personally doubt it’s necessarily correct though. At least Aston’s allocation method is somewhat “fairer “ too.

alscar said: I think the press said this - I personally doubt it’s necessarily correct though. At least Aston’s allocation method is somewhat “fairer “ too. After many years of owning other Performance Cars I decided last August to finally buy my first Porsche . Off I went to Porsche Silverstone and parted with my F Type SVR and the necessary cash for a 911GTS . The Car I really enjoyed but my fellow Owners inevitably clad in Boss Shirts and Porsche Sunglasses , seeing the Marque as a status symbol after a lifetime of driving Audis I really could have done without . I am reminded of this when I read this Thread with some Plonker attempting to Brownnose a Dealership with the often empty promise of spending thousands to get into their " good books " , somethings never change . Then there were the Public complimenting me on my purchase almost drooling at the mouth , often I would watch them walk back to their own cars and you guessed it . Inevitably it would be an Audi or BMW . I have to tell you that these types never bothered me before in the SVR or DB9 . It began to wear on my Psyche and last week I couldn't bear it anymore . Down I went to London and bought myself another Aston Martin this time a new Vantage , I am in the process of having her fully wrapped and take delivery this week . On reflection I think the 911 is an icon and I dont regret for one minute my purchase , sadly its both the Dealerships and People with the attitude of the OP that has clouded my experience and I find the Aston Dealerships a much more civilised place to be and as you say fairer with the Model allocation Policy

One of my friends is a Porsche dealer, some of you guys here would likely know him. He’s sold a few of the specials. He said one issue is that they’re massively oversubscribed, so how does he decide who to let have one. He’s not allowed to bump the price up and see who folds. So everything else is a function of this. Personally I think it’s madness, but if you love a Porsche and want a special one that is exclusive, I suppose this is what you need to do to get on the list. If they’re not oversubscribed, this wouldn’t happen.

Arnold Cunningham said: He’s not allowed to bump the price up and see who folds. So everything else is a function of this. . Except when they sell it the second time

Fair.

reddiesel said: After many years of owning other Performance Cars I decided last August to finally buy my first Porsche . Off I went to Porsche Silverstone and parted with my F Type SVR and the necessary cash for a 911GTS . The Car I really enjoyed but my fellow Owners inevitably clad in Boss Shirts and Porsche Sunglasses , seeing the Marque as a status symbol after a lifetime of driving Audis I really could have done without . I am reminded of this when I read this Thread with some Plonker attempting to Brownnose a Dealership with the often empty promise of spending thousands to get into their " good books " , somethings never change . Then there were the Public complimenting me on my purchase almost drooling at the mouth , often I would watch them walk back to their own cars and you guessed it . Inevitably it would be an Audi or BMW . I have to tell you that these types never bothered me before in the SVR or DB9 . It began to wear on my Psyche and last week I couldn't bear it anymore . Down I went to London and bought myself another Aston Martin this time a new Vantage , I am in the process of having her fully wrapped and take delivery this week . On reflection I think the 911 is an icon and I dont regret for one minute my purchase , sadly its both the Dealerships and People with the attitude of the OP that has clouded my experience and I find the Aston Dealerships a much more civilised place to be and as you say fairer with the Model allocation Policy I can relate to some of this, since taking delivery of my first Porsche, a 992 GTS, some of my in-laws family have really made some sarcastic jealous comments. Things which I didn't expect from them and I'll be honest it did get me worked up and frustrated. So I've taken the attitude of "haters gonna hate", so they're not worth the energy.

Schuey_911 said: reddiesel said: After many years of owning other Performance Cars I decided last August to finally buy my first Porsche . Off I went to Porsche Silverstone and parted with my F Type SVR and the necessary cash for a 911GTS . The Car I really enjoyed but my fellow Owners inevitably clad in Boss Shirts and Porsche Sunglasses , seeing the Marque as a status symbol after a lifetime of driving Audis I really could have done without . I am reminded of this when I read this Thread with some Plonker attempting to Brownnose a Dealership with the often empty promise of spending thousands to get into their " good books " , somethings never change . Then there were the Public complimenting me on my purchase almost drooling at the mouth , often I would watch them walk back to their own cars and you guessed it . Inevitably it would be an Audi or BMW . I have to tell you that these types never bothered me before in the SVR or DB9 . It began to wear on my Psyche and last week I couldn't bear it anymore . Down I went to London and bought myself another Aston Martin this time a new Vantage , I am in the process of having her fully wrapped and take delivery this week . On reflection I think the 911 is an icon and I dont regret for one minute my purchase , sadly its both the Dealerships and People with the attitude of the OP that has clouded my experience and I find the Aston Dealerships a much more civilised place to be and as you say fairer with the Model allocation Policy I can relate to some of this, since taking delivery of my first Porsche, a 992 GTS, some of my in-laws family have really made some sarcastic jealous comments. Things which I didn't expect from them and I'll be honest it did get me worked up and frustrated. So I've taken the attitude of "haters gonna hate", so they're not worth the energy. See it as a gift - it shows the type of person they are.

GTS440 said: Sm1987 said: Hey all, I'm just curious, what does it take to get into a dealer's good books so you have a good chance of getting the special edition Porsches (GT2/GT3s etc...) Does it vary dealer by dealer and is there a strategy in choosing a dealership to start a relationship with? (I'm wanting to possibly buy 3 x Porsches (Turbo S, Macan and Taycan) over the next 1-2 years so would be good to know before I place the first order) Thanks So many non substantiated answers to your question. I got my first GT car, a 992 Touring at the end of last year. I was told that with my buying history I’d have to wait and see how many Tourings my dealer got allocated as there were other clients more deserving than me. Lucky I got their last 2022 allocation. Since 2012 I’ve had 3 x Cayenne, 1 x Macan and 2 x Taycan. So 6 new cars in 10 years. I never got asked to take any watches or finance that I didn’t want/need. May I ask, did you PCP the 6 new cars or pay cash and take massive hits in depreciation? Do you think it matters?

Sm1987 said: Hey all, I'm just curious, what does it take to get into a dealer's good books so you have a good chance of getting the special edition Porsches (GT2/GT3s etc...) Does it vary dealer by dealer and is there a strategy in choosing a dealership to start a relationship with? (I'm wanting to possibly buy 3 x Porsches (Turbo S, Macan and Taycan) over the next 1-2 years so would be good to know before I place the first order) Thanks So many non substantiated answers to your question. I got my first GT car, a 992 Touring at the end of last year. I was told that with my buying history I’d have to wait and see how many Tourings my dealer got allocated as there were other clients more deserving than me. Lucky I got their last 2022 allocation. Since 2012 I’ve had 3 x Cayenne, 1 x Macan and 2 x Taycan. So 6 new cars in 10 years. Some cars I owned for 5 years, others 1 or 2 before changing and were 3 bought back by the supplying dealer. I never got asked to take any watches or finance that I didn’t want/need. Edited by GTS440 on Monday 23 January 08:23

jm8403 said: GTS440 said: Sm1987 said: Hey all, I'm just curious, what does it take to get into a dealer's good books so you have a good chance of getting the special edition Porsches (GT2/GT3s etc...) Does it vary dealer by dealer and is there a strategy in choosing a dealership to start a relationship with? (I'm wanting to possibly buy 3 x Porsches (Turbo S, Macan and Taycan) over the next 1-2 years so would be good to know before I place the first order) Thanks So many non substantiated answers to your question. I got my first GT car, a 992 Touring at the end of last year. I was told that with my buying history I’d have to wait and see how many Tourings my dealer got allocated as there were other clients more deserving than me. Lucky I got their last 2022 allocation. Since 2012 I’ve had 3 x Cayenne, 1 x Macan and 2 x Taycan. So 6 new cars in 10 years. I never got asked to take any watches or finance that I didn’t want/need. May I ask, did you PCP the 6 new cars or pay cash and take massive hits in depreciation? Do you think it matters? Some were financed others cash business purchases. Of course dealers make some margin on finance but I was never forced to do anything. Also, I thought buy backs were fair market prices allowing for a decent dealer margin.

jm8403 said: Arnold Cunningham said: He’s not allowed to bump the price up and see who folds. So everything else is a function of this. . Except when they sell it the second time Now if dealerships here could do the US style additional dealer markup though..... It would settle the issue fairly quickly. People pick up cars when offered because it's seen as zero cost to do so for a while then it gets returned to the dealership so it works very neatly for all concerned. If cars weren't seen as risk free, the number of people wanting them would crater.

I think might be the root of the objection for many people: “Other clients more deserving than me” As long as it’s couched in those terms it’s just grim. The very idea of submitting to the judgement of another person about how deserving you are. No issue, by the way, with “other clients more profitable than me”. At least that is an objectively measurable indicator, one that could even be shared, so that’s it’s clear and transparent what you have to do. But it isn’t, and dealers make their list according to their own secretive and flexible priorities. Grim grim grim.

jm8403 said: See it as a gift - it shows the type of person they are. You're right. Unfortunately, it does make me want to avoid certain people and gatherings now. Is what it is!

As others have said, it’s basically supply and demand. Particularly the GT cars haven’t much competition as driver’s cars at their price point. As far as image goes, BMW etc etc have gone a bit garish with their styling and have as much interaction as a block of wood on wheels! A “clean” simple 911 is much more tasteful imo. Like av185 says there’s a lot of clients with proper spending power knocking about these days. I was chatting to my architect the other day, he said there’s plenty of people viewing the “slow down” as an opportunity, he priced a project at 7 million for a client recently, who shrugged his shoulders and said he thought he’d get it done for 5… Relatively a few grand over for a GT car is a minor decision!

reddiesel said: After many years of owning other Performance Cars I decided last August to finally buy my first Porsche . Off I went to Porsche Silverstone and parted with my F Type SVR and the necessary cash for a 911GTS . The Car I really enjoyed but my fellow Owners inevitably clad in Boss Shirts and Porsche Sunglasses , seeing the Marque as a status symbol after a lifetime of driving Audis I really could have done without . I am reminded of this when I read this Thread with some Plonker attempting to Brownnose a Dealership with the often empty promise of spending thousands to get into their " good books " , somethings never change . Then there were the Public complimenting me on my purchase almost drooling at the mouth , often I would watch them walk back to their own cars and you guessed it . Inevitably it would be an Audi or BMW . I have to tell you that these types never bothered me before in the SVR or DB9 . It began to wear on my Psyche and last week I couldn't bear it anymore . Down I went to London and bought myself another Aston Martin this time a new Vantage , I am in the process of having her fully wrapped and take delivery this week . On reflection I think the 911 is an icon and I dont regret for one minute my purchase , sadly its both the Dealerships and People with the attitude of the OP that has clouded my experience and I find the Aston Dealerships a much more civilised place to be and as you say fairer with the Model allocation Policy Red ,I look forward to seeing pictures presumably on the Aston forum although be warned some won't like the new car ( shape ) there ! I suspect our tales are actually quite similar and in comparison terms when you say London do you mean Aston Martin Works in NP ?

For all these reasons I have become much more interested in the classic Porsche's. The general public have no idea whether they are high or low in value, they are admired for what they were .. the most excellent expressions of sports cars in their time, and because they were so good they are also fun to drive and to take to shows and events where I know I will find other enthusiasts with similar interests. For the same reason I like track days where I can take other enthusiasts out in the cars ... where they are interested in experiencing them from the passenger seat ... Predictably on the (legitimate ?) model of the special cars going to those who earn their local OPC the most money ... my experience is that this has become a self-fulfilling merry-go-round with the same cars being sold many times by the same dealers and Porsche persistently undersupplying the market. The result is that since the cars that I own are generally not the cars that my OPC takes in (despite being a Classic OPC), and I have them looked after by a specialist who employs Porsche trained engineers from the eras of my cars (and in fact who has partnered me on my ownership journey) .... my OPC sees me as not being a good enough Porsche owner / customer. That is not to say that I have not bought new cars from them ... I have bought five over the years since 1978 and a CR in 2011 and GT4 in 2015, since when zilch because starting with the 718GT4 they told me that I hadn't bought enough cars from them, and then I complained. The cheek of it (complaining that is). I have however owned 33 Porsche's including the classics and supported the Porsche club in many ways ... more latterly in giving them most of my track-day expenditure (which has suited us all as their popularity has grown). So now I am continuing to modify my 981GT4 to make it a better performing road / track car that is significantly less expensive to run (and maintain / repair) than the latest GT4RS that they also will not sell me. Bitter ? Not a bit. Frustrated ? Yes but only because this feels to be such a bad business. The speculator merry-go-round of secondhand cars that are "limited in supply" being worth more than they cost new, must end at some point. Many have been bought on finance with high residual values. What proportion of these cars that are not being driven may come back into the market ? Will there then be enough non-speculator customers to mop them up at realistic prices ? If not, what happens next ? The bigger the boom the bigger the potential for bust ... and nobody truly believes that a secondhand car is worth more than the same car new and specced to the new owners preference ... Edited by ChrisW. on Monday 23 January 09:49

From a friend that's had a few GT cars it seems that it's not about how many you buy, it's more about what you buy and when. It probably differs from OPC to OPC but his relationship is such that when they are trying to make a target for the month or quarter he's one of the guys they phone to shift that Panamera/Cayenne/Taycan etc from the showroom. Some he'll finance, some he won't. Most apart from the really undesirables go back to the same OPC to be sold used to give them a second bite of the profit pie. It's a mutual back scratching operation.

Yes that was as it was also explained to me. The cars that can be sold at overs help cover the losses made on other cars ... The overs market has created a speculators market ... what happens when / if the resultant oversupply of cars normalises ? Porsche are creating their own problem whilst upsetting a lot of traditional owners. It's also suggested that because the speculator GT cars are being linked to this process, the image and appreciation of these cars when seen on the road is being undermined ....

I live in downtown Toronto most of the time and in my experience the image thing is not a concern- the vast majority of people can’t distinguish a 911 from a Cayman, let alone a GT car. Porsches used to be a rare sight but they last a long time and scads have been built. Very rare for anyone to comment on my cars apart from the odd comment on colours but they do that to my Jeep too.

ChrisW. said: Yes that was as it was also explained to me. The cars that can be sold at overs help cover the losses made on other cars ... The overs market has created a speculators market ... what happens when / if the resultant oversupply of cars normalises ? Porsche are creating their own problem whilst upsetting a lot of traditional owners. It's also suggested that because the speculator GT cars are being linked to this process, the image and appreciation of these cars when seen on the road is being undermined .... Do you think it will ever actually "normalise" though. Years ago I used to think the GT overs thing was a blip but it's gone on so long now, I'm not sure it's not just the new norm actually. I mean a GT3 is a bonafide super car and at £150K odd comes caged and track ready plus is massively cheaper than the equivalent Ferrari etc. Plus it's useable daily and is not too expensive to run/very reliable etc. There are zero real competitors at the price point. What really does annoy me are the people who don't use the cars and leave them in the garage under a cover - what an utter waste of an awesome piece of engineering.

finmac said: ChrisW. said: Yes that was as it was also explained to me. The cars that can be sold at overs help cover the losses made on other cars ... The overs market has created a speculators market ... what happens when / if the resultant oversupply of cars normalises ? Porsche are creating their own problem whilst upsetting a lot of traditional owners. It's also suggested that because the speculator GT cars are being linked to this process, the image and appreciation of these cars when seen on the road is being undermined .... Do you think it will ever actually "normalise" though. Years ago I used to think the GT overs thing was a blip but it's gone on so long now, I'm not sure it's not just the new norm actually. I mean a GT3 is a bonafide super car and at £150K odd comes caged and track ready plus is massively cheaper than the equivalent Ferrari etc. Plus it's useable daily and is not too expensive to run/very reliable etc. There are zero real competitors at the price point. What really does annoy me are the people who don't use the cars and leave them in the garage under a cover - what an utter waste of an awesome piece of engineering. Depends on finance interest rates going forwards. 90+% on finance / PCP certainly for the more regular Porsche models - look at the glut of Panamera's available now - going to be tricky to justify that trinket on the drive if the interest rates are high for the monthly cost. Are there enough buyers not in this demographic to take up the cars the PCP crew can't afford or justify, guess we will see.

I think it depends upon interest rates and whether the owners feel that they wish to continue to finance what in effect may be an ornament. If I owned one of these cars on a PCP I'd be looking at how much use it was going to get vs. the current cost and the final payment on the PCP ... less forecast sales value and any early termination cost If I had promised to sell back to the dealer then I would also have to ask myself how much I wanted to stay on the carousel ...because I assume that to do this I would also have to keep on buying cars that I didn't want ? Yes some people may appear to have bottomless pockets ... until the cost of the interest on their mortgage balloons or there is no more equity in their home / pension / their business cashflow becomes negative / willing lenders start asking for repayment plans ?? Debt for equity generally comes at very unfavourable exchange rates. If any-body has fully levered their lifestyle, it doesn't take much to turn positives into negatives ... as Liz Truss discovered ...

Arnold Cunningham said: One of my friends is a Porsche dealer, I am very sorry to hear it.

You just can’t generalise….every dealer and indeed individual Sales Exec’s have different modes of operation. I’d say right now trying to jump on the bandwagon will be quite difficult because there so many people will have been buying new cars every few months because of the “overs” for most Porsche models. My guess is within a year the market will be back to normal ….premiums will be there for GT cars for a few months, there wont be a premium on something like a 992 GTS so buying your way into an allocation for a car which won’t fetch a premium for more than a few months will be a lot more expensive than just buying a flipped 992 Touring.

Cheib said: You just can’t generalise….every dealer and indeed individual Sales Exec’s have different modes of operation. I’d say right now trying to jump on the bandwagon will be quite difficult because there so many people will have been buying new cars every few months because of the “overs” for most Porsche models. My guess is within a year the market will be back to normal ….premiums will be there for GT cars for a few months, there wont be a premium on something like a 992 GTS so buying your way into an allocation for a car which won’t fetch a premium for more than a few months will be a lot more expensive than just buying a flipped 992 Touring. Just one point on the sales 'executives' C. They increasingly seem to change like the wind these days so unlike before I find its really now not worthwhile building up much of a 'relationship' at all simply because they will likely have moved on to the shinier Ferrari dealership or similar. Don't know about the next 12 months in terms of the market but this month has shown very strong demand despite the usual doom mongers and over book prices ££ for most mainstream and medium to high end stuff ( obvs excluding EVs Teslas due to rising energy costs and discounting new etc bigger older petrols and diesels obvs which are increasingly shunned) and this is viewed as likely to translate into growing demand for sports cars generally as Spring better weather beckons and this essentially will be the true test of the market for the likes of Porsches etc.

av185 said: and this is viewed as likely to translate into growing demand for sports cars generally By whom? You? Unless you are a bona fide car dealer, it's nothing more than conjecture.

av185 said: Just one point on the sales 'executives' C. They increasingly seem to change like the wind these days so unlike before I find its really now not worthwhile building up much of a 'relationship' at all simply because they will likely have moved on to the shinier Ferrari dealership or similar. Fair point except I doubt it’s anyone other than the DP who actually makes the decision anyway.

finmac said: ChrisW. said: Yes that was as it was also explained to me. The cars that can be sold at overs help cover the losses made on other cars ... The overs market has created a speculators market ... what happens when / if the resultant oversupply of cars normalises ? Porsche are creating their own problem whilst upsetting a lot of traditional owners. It's also suggested that because the speculator GT cars are being linked to this process, the image and appreciation of these cars when seen on the road is being undermined .... Do you think it will ever actually "normalise" though. Years ago I used to think the GT overs thing was a blip but it's gone on so long now, I'm not sure it's not just the new norm actually. I mean a GT3 is a bonafide super car and at £150K odd comes caged and track ready plus is massively cheaper than the equivalent Ferrari etc. Plus it's useable daily and is not too expensive to run/very reliable etc. There are zero real competitors at the price point. What really does annoy me are the people who don't use the cars and leave them in the garage under a cover - what an utter waste of an awesome piece of engineering. Anecdotal I know, but I know plenty in the market for a new GT3 or (RS) allocation. We have all bought cars in the secondary market, don’t borrow in general (but might depending on what else we can do with the cash). This can’t be unique. Essentially the demand at this level will need to dry up enough so that new car demand was not met. Is this likely? How many people do OPC’s have on a waiting list for each new GT3? I bet it’s double digits from what I have been told…. Hopefully the list drys out so that me and my mates can buy a GT3 new!

993rsr said: By whom? You? Unless you are a bona fide car dealer, it's nothing more than conjecture. I totally agree with you , I dont know about January but in December Porsche Brooklands wouldn't even take a 911 in a Trade , their explanation was they were " stocked up ". Rybrook Specialist Cars had a 991 GTS 4 in December that had sat 2 months unsold , it was still there in the early weeks of January. Granted with a niche Product such as Porsche there will always be a hardcore of serial owners with money to spend . That doesn't mean however that every used 911 is flying out the Showroom Door and I dont believe that they are .

993rsr said: av185 said: and this is viewed as likely to translate into growing demand for sports cars generally By whom? You? Unless you are a bona fide car dealer, it's nothing more than conjecture. av185 turns any thread into the 'values are going up and the market is the best ever' thread

^^^^ You mean unlike Fido posting 993rsr who attempts to ruin every Porsche thread with his infantile and incessant posting of fugly mutts which no one is interested in. If you read my post properly I said I don't know about the market over the next 12 months so you clearly made that up. Do feel free to do some much needed research to help you understand the current market which will confirm my other points btw. : Edited by av185 on Tuesday 24th January 09:42

Just been through my Porsche history - 6 brand new ( 4 x 911 inc 1 GT3 ) and 2 Cayennes over period 2007/12 spending ( without inflation added ) just over £475k plus every penny on servicing etc also with the same dealer. Obviously nowhere near some and clearly not nearly as worthy as some but presumably a customer worth hanging onto - still on the +side good to discover that loyalty simply not valued so got into other marques. Nothing will change and business is business but still cannot help feel that there are fairer ways to allocate whilst keeping up OPC's profit margins.

alscar said: Fair point except I doubt it’s anyone other than the DP who actually makes the decision anyway. Thats what my salesman said ( who has been around long enough for me to buy 3 cars since 2015) when I enquired about a GT4RS it was down to DP , he said he would ask if I wanted but I shouldnt get my hopes up, took that as a polite foxtrot oscar and said not to bother

Charlie_1 said: alscar said: Fair point except I doubt it’s anyone other than the DP who actually makes the decision anyway. Thats what my salesman said ( who has been around long enough for me to buy 3 cars since 2015) when I enquired about a GT4RS it was down to DP , he said he would ask if I wanted but I shouldnt get my hopes up, took that as a polite foxtrot oscar and said not to bother I think that's how it is at my OPC, the DP makes the call on all restricted supply cars after the sales team put forward names.

I bought one car from an opc before I got a gt4 allocation (not the same opc either ) then after selling the gt4 I bought a 991gts and then got a gt3 allocation .

At least 2 OPC franchises use the largely unseen franchise director to allocate GT cars who is located well away from the OPC thus taking the pressure off more vulnerable DPs and CPs following a number of threats received from those deemed not worthy of an allocation!

franki68 said: I bought one car from an opc before I got a gt4 allocation (not the same opc either ) then after selling the gt4 I bought a 991gts and then got a gt3 allocation . Congrats but can only assume either very very lucky or right place at right time and DP was on holiday -lol.

av185 said: At least 2 OPC franchises use the largely unseen franchise director to allocate GT cars who is located well away from the OPC thus taking the pressure off more vulnerable DPs and CPs following a number of threats received from those deemed not worthy of an allocation! I know you are only trying to be funny and I did smile but what gave it away was the thought that any DP was vulnerable.

To help with the counter argument, I took delivery of my GT3Touring a few weeks ago having expressed an interest when they were first announced. Yes, I'm a customer of my local dealer and have bought and sold three new 911's (including a 991.2GT3) since I moved to the area 12 years ago. I also traded my 992 C2S for a pre owned 992 TurboS a couple of years ago. My wife has had two new and one pre owned Cayenne in that time. No funny business, no lowball trade ins, only a couple of sensible finance deals in all that time but crucially a good relationship with the dealership team (in my mind, they might think I'm an idiot). I also drive the cars not flip them, and that is acknowledged and appreciated by them, and I try and support their events and be reasonably active in the Porsche Club. Of course I would hope to be more likely to get a limited number car than someone who just called in on the off chance, but I wouldn't buy a model I didn't genuinely want in order to jump the list either. I know there are some dealers who play games with their customers, but there are others who play a straight bat.

I have bought a 992 4s 992 turbo s and a Panamera hybrid from my dealer and was given gt3 allocation that I have now turned into a Dakar slot. Only thing they wanted was turbo s back, for sor and they gave me back what I paid for it, and they made a bit on it. so no dodgy stuff required to get a slot, and I have wanted every car I have bought from them.

gred said: To help with the counter argument, I took delivery of my GT3Touring a few weeks ago having expressed an interest when they were first announced. Yes, I'm a customer of my local dealer and have bought and sold three new 911's (including a 991.2GT3) since I moved to the area 12 years ago. I also traded my 992 C2S for a pre owned 992 TurboS a couple of years ago. My wife has had two new and one pre owned Cayenne in that time. No funny business, no lowball trade ins, only a couple of sensible finance deals in all that time but crucially a good relationship with the dealership team (in my mind, they might think I'm an idiot). I also drive the cars not flip them, and that is acknowledged and appreciated by them, and I try and support their events and be reasonably active in the Porsche Club. Of course I would hope to be more likely to get a limited number car than someone who just called in on the off chance, but I wouldn't buy a model I didn't genuinely want in order to jump the list either. I know there are some dealers who play games with their customers, but there are others who play a straight bat. With your loyalty and spend I think that's very fair to both the dealer and yourself. I also would suggest that the number of DP's playing with said straight bat are probably very much in the minority. To also answer the OP's first post , his chances of getting a halo model would appear to be virtually nil -currently.

av185 said: ^^^^ You mean unlike Fido posting 993rsr who attempts to ruin every Porsche thread with his infantile and incessant posting of fugly mutts which no one is interested in. If you read my post properly I said I don't know about the market over the next 12 months so you clearly made that up. Do feel free to do some much needed research to help you understand the current market which will confirm my other points btw. : Edited by av185 on Tuesday 24th January 09:42 I did read your post properly and the market is not showing strong demand. Prices have dropped on high end sports cars and as such there is now movement again as dealers are realistically pricing cars. In the most, cars are no longer selling over list price now and are getting pretty much back to normal depreciation levels, with exception of limited production cars, which are also dropping in price! I'd like to know what this magic book you refer to is, as the many dealers i know usually use autotrader, ph and other selling sites to see where other similar cars are priced and go from there! The days of Parkers valuation were over a long time ago!!

It used to be Glass's Guide but who could imagine printing anything with prices so volatile and so much information immediately available on-line ...

av185 said: ^^^^ You mean unlike Fido posting 993rsr who attempts to ruin every Porsche thread with his infantile and incessant posting of fugly mutts which no one is interested in. Edited by av185 on Tuesday 24th January 09:42 Judging by the number of people also posting pictures of their fine hounds, it's a lot more of interest than your continual diatribes You really are Pistonhead's very own Walter Mitty.

ChrisW. said: It used to be Glass's Guide but who could imagine printing anything with prices so volatile and so much information immediately available on-line ... Glass's....thats the one!

rkwm1 said: ChrisW. said: It used to be Glass's Guide but who could imagine printing anything with prices so volatile and so much information immediately available on-line ... Glass's....thats the one! Online now: https://glass.co.uk/

993rsr said: Judging by the number of people also posting pictures of their fine hounds, it's a lot more of interest than your continual diatribes Fine hounds indeed. Again you have completely missed the point by a country mile proving you clearly have no social awareness whatsoever. If you didn't pick up on the fact there were many posters not just myself who objected to your infantile and totally irrelevant fugly mutt posts then you really are deluded and seriously need to step away from the crack pipe yet again. It was quite clear to all that your sole intention was to derail and ruin yet another Porsche thread with your irrelevant photos.. Just because you aren't interested in e.g. Porsche GT pricing and spec subjects doesn't mean no one else is. And it doesn't give you the right to derail and try and ruin a thread dedicated to a particular subject either. As previously posted if you get off on posting piccies of your mongrels then do it on a mongrel thread or create an appropriate one. It really is quite simple the clue is in the thread title I am sure even you can grasp that. You really are the epitome of the Pistonheads Walter Rohrl wannabee fantasist. Btw if you can possibly draw yourself away from posing down the Kings Road with your mongrels in tow we might be prepared to show you some of the best UK driving roads up here I know you haven't really got any decent driving roads where you are perhaps this is the main cause of your frustration! : Anyway I'll leave it at that hopefully you've got the message. Might be a good idea to ignore each others posts for a while I guess. :

it's not worth the effort now, it might have been in the past though and in special circumstances (like the company owner that was told if he ordered 30x Cayennes at once he would have his pick so ended up doing that through his business and using them as company cars so he could get a personal GT2 RS and future models) you have to bare in mind when porsche becomes electric only then none of the special editions will be special and demand in general will be much lower, so there's only so many cars porsche are going to make between now and then which will trade over list

rkwm1 said: I did read your post properly and the market is not showing strong demand. Really? Just one source of many in the know.

I'm happy to share my experience of buying GT Products. I have no new car buying history with any Porsche dealership. I have service and warranty history only. I have enquired about GT4s and Spyder since 981 and I have clicked the configurator 'send code to Porsche Dealer' button 25,000 times. No allocation just yet, can't be long though.....

av185 said: 993rsr said: Judging by the number of people also posting pictures of their fine hounds, it's a lot more of interest than your continual diatribes Fine hounds indeed. Again you have completely missed the point by a country mile proving you clearly have no social awareness whatsoever. If you didn't pick up on the fact there were many posters not just myself who objected to your infantile and totally irrelevant fugly mutt posts then you really are deluded and seriously need to step away from the crack pipe yet again. It was quite clear to all that your sole intention was to derail and ruin yet another Porsche thread with your irrelevant photos.. Just because you aren't interested in e.g. Porsche GT pricing and spec subjects doesn't mean no one else is. And it doesn't give you the right to derail and try and ruin a thread dedicated to a particular subject either. As previously posted if you get off on posting piccies of your mongrels then do it on a mongrel thread or create an appropriate one. It really is quite simple the clue is in the thread title I am sure even you can grasp that. You really are the epitome of the Pistonheads Walter Rohrl wannabee fantasist. Btw if you can possibly draw yourself away from posing down the Kings Road with your mongrels in tow we might be prepared to show you some of the best UK driving roads up here I know you haven't really got any decent driving roads where you are perhaps this is the main cause of your frustration! : Anyway I'll leave it at that hopefully you've got the message. Might be a good idea to ignore each others posts for a while I guess. : Well you certainly understand the meaning of diatribe I hope our paths cross, I know you never do any of the meets or have met anyone, but maybe you'll step out from behind the security blanket of your keyboard .

993rsr said: av185 said: 993rsr said: Judging by the number of people also posting pictures of their fine hounds, it's a lot more of interest than your continual diatribes Fine hounds indeed. Again you have completely missed the point by a country mile proving you clearly have no social awareness whatsoever. If you didn't pick up on the fact there were many posters not just myself who objected to your infantile and totally irrelevant fugly mutt posts then you really are deluded and seriously need to step away from the crack pipe yet again. It was quite clear to all that your sole intention was to derail and ruin yet another Porsche thread with your irrelevant photos.. Just because you aren't interested in e.g. Porsche GT pricing and spec subjects doesn't mean no one else is. And it doesn't give you the right to derail and try and ruin a thread dedicated to a particular subject either. As previously posted if you get off on posting piccies of your mongrels then do it on a mongrel thread or create an appropriate one. It really is quite simple the clue is in the thread title I am sure even you can grasp that. You really are the epitome of the Pistonheads Walter Rohrl wannabee fantasist. Btw if you can possibly draw yourself away from posing down the Kings Road with your mongrels in tow we might be prepared to show you some of the best UK driving roads up here I know you haven't really got any decent driving roads where you are perhaps this is the main cause of your frustration! : Anyway I'll leave it at that hopefully you've got the message. Might be a good idea to ignore each others posts for a while I guess. : Well you certainly understand the meaning of diatribe I hope our paths cross, I know you never do any of the meets or have met anyone, but maybe you'll step out from behind the security blanket of your keyboard . Thats just not fair calling rsr a fugly mutt or his dogs,he may be fugly but not a mutt

The value depends on how you see the car. It is more than a financial transaction unless you are projecting that you will resell that car in a short time and make a big profit. This is fair enough in my view if that is the objective. For me , cars are not a financial transaction but an experience. It is not worth it to me to pay a premium and I never do. I do not care about putting miles on them or tracking them and usually just keep the things. My sense is that the market will drop over the next year and hopefully GT cars will become much more affordable for those who want them. I have generally gotten my allocations ( 4 X GT3RS) with no real issue and if the value drops through the floor I will still have enjoyed them,

993rsr said: Well you certainly understand the meaning of diatribe I hope our paths cross, I know you never do any of the meets or have met anyone, but maybe you'll step out from behind the security blanket of your keyboard . I wonder why that is...

993rsr said: but maybe you'll step out from behind the security blanket of your keyboard Likewise. :

av185 said: 993rsr said: but maybe you'll step out from behind the security blanket of your keyboard Likewise. : Difference is fella, I know and have met the majority of folks on here, many of whom are good mates. No-one has ever met you, or knows of you, other than your internet persona that's the difference. Maybe you are in fact a bot ? If you weren't on your imaginary skiing trip in your imaginary GT2RS on the day for the meet in March, you'd meet not only me but all the other folks attending. Let me know what meet/s, track days you are doing and I'll be sure to pop along and say hi. Edited by 993rsr on Wednesday 25th January 19:39

993rsr said: av185 said: 993rsr said: but maybe you'll step out from behind the security blanket of your keyboard Likewise. : Difference is fella, I know and have met the majority of folks on here, many of whom are good mates. No-one has ever met you, on knows of you, other than your internet persona that's the difference. Maybe you are in fact a bot ? If you weren't on your imaginary skiing trip in your imaginary GT2RS on the day for the meet in March, you'd meet not only me but all the other folks attending. Haha a derisory 2/10 for your reply. Bot speaking So you've miraculously conducted a remarkably quick and conclusive PH survey then. Obviously. Quite clearly more billy big b ks bulls t from our resident Walter Rohl fantasist. Liking the condescending 'fella' approach... you must be a policeman. As a matter of interest and btw everyone remembers apart from your longstanding thread derailing expertise how you forced the most infamous but nontheless very Porsche knowledgable Mr Demon off these forums a while back. Ok he wasn't everyones cup of tea fair enough quite a marmite character in fact no chum of mine for sure but he certainly was a source of great Porsche info to many and yes a source of amusement too to many across the forums. But lest we forget you saw him as an easy and vulnerable target of course and for obvious reasons. How very brave of you. If you weren't so desperate to be continually bigging it up and bragging about all your imaginary virtual mates and thread derailing achievements lol you could have had the opportunity to do some serious skiing in Val Thorens with a few of us car nuts in March instead of sipping cheap coffee in the Midlands. I notice you haven't mentioned the possibility of a meet up here with proper hospitality on offer too after conveniently swerving my invitation for some top driving it would do you good but only if you can hack it away from the challenge of thevKings Road. Maybe you will see the light in time. Anyway as all of this is somewhat off topic I am sure you don't want to derail this wonderful thread anymore (just to clarify its a Porsche thread concerning special cars btw not dogs) and bore other PHers even more so I will leave it at that and possibly look out for you and your mutts driving back from the Kings road sometime soon no doubt you can wave at me from your ivory tower and from behind your very expensive looking but fake sunglasses. Have a good evening.

av185 said: 993rsr said: av185 said: 993rsr said: but maybe you'll step out from behind the security blanket of your keyboard Likewise. : Difference is fella, I know and have met the majority of folks on here, many of whom are good mates. No-one has ever met you, on knows of you, other than your internet persona that's the difference. Maybe you are in fact a bot ? If you weren't on your imaginary skiing trip in your imaginary GT2RS on the day for the meet in March, you'd meet not only me but all the other folks attending. Haha a derisory 2/10 for your reply. Bot speaking So you've miraculously conducted a remarkably quick and conclusive PH survey then. Obviously. Quite clearly more billy big b ks bulls t from our resident Walter Rohl fantasist. Liking the condescending 'fella' approach... you must be a policeman. :laigh: As a matter of interest and btw everyone remembers apart from your longstanding thread derailing expertise how you forced the most infamous but nontheless very Porsche knowledgable Mr Demon off these forums a while back. Ok he wasn't everyones cup of tea fair enough quite a marmite character in fact no chum of mine for sure but he certainly was a source of great Porsche info to many and yes a source of amusement too to many across the forums. But lest we forget you saw him as an easy and vulnerable target of course and for obvious reasons. How very brave of you. If you weren't continually bigging it up and bragging about all your imaginary virtual mates and thread derailing achievements lol you could have had the opportunity to do some serious skiing in Val Thorens with a few of us car nuts in March instead of sipping cheap coffee in the Midlands. I notice you haven't mentioned the possibility of a meet up here with proper hospitality on offer too after conveniently swerving my invitation for some top driving it would do you good but only if you can hack it away from the challenge of thevKings Road. Maybe you will see the light in time. Anyway as all of this is somewhat off topic I am sure you don't want to derail this wonderful thread anymore (just to clarify its a Porsche thread concerning special cars btw not dogs) and bore other PHers even more so I will leave it at that and possibly look out for you and your mutts driving back from the Kings road sometime soon no doubt you can wave at me from your ivory tower and from behind your very expensive looking but fake sunglasses. Have a good evening. You sound mentally ill. Have a good evening.

jm8403 said: av185 said: 993rsr said: av185 said: 993rsr said: but maybe you'll step out from behind the security blanket of your keyboard Likewise. : Difference is fella, I know and have met the majority of folks on here, many of whom are good mates. No-one has ever met you, on knows of you, other than your internet persona that's the difference. Maybe you are in fact a bot ? If you weren't on your imaginary skiing trip in your imaginary GT2RS on the day for the meet in March, you'd meet not only me but all the other folks attending. Haha a derisory 2/10 for your reply. Bot speaking So you've miraculously conducted a remarkably quick and conclusive PH survey then. Obviously. Quite clearly more billy big b ks bulls t from our resident Walter Rohl fantasist. Liking the condescending 'fella' approach... you must be a policeman. :laigh: As a matter of interest and btw everyone remembers apart from your longstanding thread derailing expertise how you forced the most infamous but nontheless very Porsche knowledgable Mr Demon off these forums a while back. Ok he wasn't everyones cup of tea fair enough quite a marmite character in fact no chum of mine for sure but he certainly was a source of great Porsche info to many and yes a source of amusement too to many across the forums. But lest we forget you saw him as an easy and vulnerable target of course and for obvious reasons. How very brave of you. If you weren't continually bigging it up and bragging about all your imaginary virtual mates and thread derailing achievements lol you could have had the opportunity to do some serious skiing in Val Thorens with a few of us car nuts in March instead of sipping cheap coffee in the Midlands. I notice you haven't mentioned the possibility of a meet up here with proper hospitality on offer too after conveniently swerving my invitation for some top driving it would do you good but only if you can hack it away from the challenge of thevKings Road. Maybe you will see the light in time. Anyway as all of this is somewhat off topic I am sure you don't want to derail this wonderful thread anymore (just to clarify its a Porsche thread concerning special cars btw not dogs) and bore other PHers even more so I will leave it at that and possibly look out for you and your mutts driving back from the Kings road sometime soon no doubt you can wave at me from your ivory tower and from behind your very expensive looking but fake sunglasses. Have a good evening. You sound mentally ill. Have a good evening. I think he just dont like dogs and feeling a bit ruff

Jim300186 said: I have bought a 992 4s 992 turbo s and a Panamera hybrid from my dealer and was given gt3 allocation that I have now turned into a Dakar slot. Only thing they wanted was turbo s back, for sor and they gave me back what I paid for it, and they made a bit on it. so no dodgy stuff required to get a slot, and I have wanted every car I have bought from them. How long did you keep the 4s turbo S and Panamera for?

I can't be bothered with all the rigmarole despite wanting a 911 GT3 since reading about the 996.1/2 in my school years. Enquired a few times, always told no.

RDMcG said: The value depends on how you see the car. It is more than a financial transaction unless you are projecting that you will resell that car in a short time and make a big profit. This is fair enough in my view if that is the objective. For me , cars are not a financial transaction but an experience. It is not worth it to me to pay a premium and I never do. I do not care about putting miles on them or tracking them and usually just keep the things. My sense is that the market will drop over the next year and hopefully GT cars will become much more affordable for those who want them. I have generally gotten my allocations ( 4 X GT3RS) with no real issue and if the value drops through the floor I will still have enjoyed them, As always, the most balanced and sensible poster on the thread - accepting that CDN is not UK.

Yellow491 said: I think he just dont like dogs and feeling a bit ruff Sounds like he's barking up the wrong tree

av185 said: 993rsr said: av185 said: 993rsr said: but maybe you'll step out from behind the security blanket of your keyboard Likewise. : Difference is fella, I know and have met the majority of folks on here, many of whom are good mates. No-one has ever met you, on knows of you, other than your internet persona that's the difference. Maybe you are in fact a bot ? If you weren't on your imaginary skiing trip in your imaginary GT2RS on the day for the meet in March, you'd meet not only me but all the other folks attending. Utter diatribe, my specialist subject now the value threads are going to pot. Kind regards, Walter Mitty. Fella, fella, fella. You've clearly lost the plot now, and it's certainly cheered up mine and the doggies morning Why not swing by the GT3 prices going up thread for more fine hound content to kick your day off Edited by 993rsr on Thursday 26th January 10:28

I think something like a GT3 should just be viewed as a £200k car which can be readily purchased used, enjoyed and then sold at a value slightly below the purchase price. You will have all the fun and kudos of owning this amazing machine. Ordinary people who have no lifetime relationship with the Porsche DP should totally forget the £150k list price with options - get it out of your head. Then it all makes sense…

jzma said: How long did you keep the 4s turbo S and Panamera for? Had all of them for about a year each sold the 4s privately and the Panamera and Turbo went back to the dealer. And due to the cars all being only a year old once sold, have not used the dealer for service yet.

I think it depends a lot on the dealer allocation. Dealers like West London, Reading and Mayfair (non franchise centres) have a bigger allocation of cars/slots. You will have a better chance there, this is speaking from experience.

A wee thread resurrection as it’s almost exactly a year since the last post and the market has potentially changed a fair bit over the period! Interested to understand what kind of buying history and/or hoops people have been forced to jump through for new GT and RS products more recently please (or is it still similar finance/watches/load the car with spec you maybe done want)?

Used 992 GT3s are plentiful and reasonably priced, so there’s no need to jump through hoops, just go and I buy. Maybe things like the S/T etc are ‘special’ so the dealer will need to have some sort of method of deciding who to allocate. It’s the scenario where a preferred buyer then sells back, gets another ‘special’ and the dealer sells for an inflated used price that annoys people. It also shows that the car wasn’t special enough for the buyer to keep hold of it and drive the thing. Maybe for that reason, these things are not as special as the reviews would suggest. Cars are only as good as the roads or tracks that you take them on.

TBH when I saw the thread resurrected I thought it would be about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TiFZeSW-JI Apparently it takes a million, or two million, or er, a 'special mate' or something...

Brighton Speed said: TBH when I saw the thread resurrected I thought it would be about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TiFZeSW-JI Apparently it takes a million, or two million, or er, a 'special mate' or something... Interesting article - thanks

This as we know is all about dealers making additional margins. I'd say the cheapest way to do it would be to tell several dealers what your spec is approximately and say you have £150k or more over waiting. Then hope if the spec isn't too off piste you may find a flipper and dealer working in collusion might find your car. Let's face it the majority of GT cars purchased aren't by those intending to keep it, so plenty come up as we know. They aren't rare at all just expensive. I'd rather do this than spend a £m on unwanted Porsches and smooze the dealer for 12m. The whole thing just puts me off wanting one

I can only go with my own experience in Canada which has similar issues with the limited cars. In my case the only car I really wanted initially was the 997.1 GT3RS. I had never bought a Porsche prior to that. Went to the dealer who politely told me there was zero chance. However I dropped by every few weeks to say hello. One day I got a call from the rep I had been speaking to and she told me there was a cancellation on a Viper Green RS but she had to have the confirmation with 15 mins or it would be gone to the next rep. I bought it on the spot at list. Here is my subsequent history. I later that year ( 2007) bought a Cayenne S demonstrator as a company car. -2011 I added a 997.2 RS factory delivery. -2015 991.1RS factory delivery -2018 Panamera ST Turbo -2022 Cayenne GTS -2023 992 RS I do not flip cars, only dealt with one sales rep from the beginning and get all of my cars dealer serviced. I do not haggle , do not finance and pay MSRP for every vehicle. I would never pay a premium and if that were to be required I would not buy the car. Had that request from a Jeep dealer in the US for a premium and I walked away. I generally put a deposit down as early as they can process it, usually before there is an allocation. They genuinely do not know how many cars that will get as the allocations are decided by Porsche itself. It does help to build a relationship over time I think and thus I keep to a minimum number pf people to deal with. Beyond giving them each a bottle of champagne at Christmas I do not do anything special, and do not ask for any special treatment.There are a. lot of people far better off than I am and who buy more and better cars there. I cannot imagine paying some huge premium that will mean big depreciation when the next model comes whereas as MSRP the depreciation is no issue. This is my rep with some of the cars:

I'm glad there is some integrity out there

Great to read that RMcG…unfortunately the ability to build long term relationships like that are pretty limited in my experience. The Sales Exec I deal with has been at the OPC since I first made contact with them 7 years ago but I think apart from the DP every other member of staff on the Sales/Mgmt side has gone. Incredible amount of staff turnover.

Cheib said: Great to read that RMcG…unfortunately the ability to build long term relationships like that are pretty limited in my experience. The Sales Exec I deal with has been at the OPC since I first made contact with them 7 years ago but I think apart from the DP every other member of staff on the Sales/Mgmt side has gone. Incredible amount of staff turnover. That is a real issue actually. Some new GM was brought in to " improve efficiency" ( i.e make is less pleasant for customers) and immediately fired my long term service rep and the service manager. Their crime was they were not pushing more service on the customers. I was very upset and spoke to the owner and told him that if this clown continued to fire valuable people ( especially my very competent sales rep) I would make sure to provide some very public comment. In the end the new guy lasted a year and the service manager was rehired. There was peace in the valley. If a dealer is constantly churning staff I am out of there. I had the issue with both Mercedes and BMW where their local dealerships became corporate and I could no longer talk to my normal service rep, but got assigned to some bloody queue from some disembodied scheduler. I no longer deal with either of them, My last Mercedes was bough in 2003 and last BMW in 2006. A well managed dealer has continuity. My current service rep knows my card well and does not push silly service requirements on my and I trust him. Equally my sales rep and I can spec a new car in ten minutes over coffee, she has a look and if there is something missing or that she is not too enthused about we have a look and often change it.