991.2 GTS spec / buying guide - Page 2 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

Looking to move from my 1st generation R8 v10 into a 991.2 gts in the near future. I’ve to sell my Audi 1st & not in a rush, probably be next spring when I actually commit to purchase but I do like to do a bit of research into my planned purchase. Is there any specification / options must haves / nice to have / wouldn’t buy without / can be retrofitted etc on this particular model. Anything to look out for ? I’ve read and watched videos about the turbos failing. Is there anything else to look for? Any good forums or Facebook groups? Edited by Edible Roadkill on Tuesday 10th October 11:51

Any 991.2 building guide is going to be applicable to the GTS really. Options are just whatever you like in a car, as its a GTS it'll have all the ones you really need or want already IMO except RWS which you'd need to try to know if its worth it or not. Seats are a personal preference again. If you get one with center locks you need to be aware you'll have to go to the OPC to change tyres etc which you may or may not be happy about.

I have rear wheel steering on mine, not sure I notice! Dynamic lighting system is ace. Radar control cruise is ok, doesn’t stop you undertaking unlike the system on my Golf. CarPlay, essential but I think that’s standard. Check for rattles. I’ve still got a bit of trim creaking somewhere that annoys.

PetrolTed said: I have rear wheel steering on mine, not sure I notice! Dynamic lighting system is ace. Radar control cruise is ok, doesn’t stop you undertaking unlike the system on my Golf. CarPlay, essential but I think that’s standard. Check for rattles. I’ve still got a bit of trim creaking somewhere that annoys. We had a 991.2 with a few rattles and squeaks. Felt tape around ALL of the seat belt sockets solved it for pennies.

I drive a 00’s Audi supercar creeks are standard Thanks for the replies so far, nothing said that’s unsurprising!!

Specs on them are all over the place; I wanted rear-steer (actually more helpful for parking...), glass roof and the interior, which many don't have for some odd reason!. I wanted a manual but I was either giving up the spec for the gearbox... or it was silver and still, not having the spec.In the end I have everything I wanted but with PDK. I'm still looking for a manual :P Warranty will sort the turbos out. I've had mine checked but that doesn't mean much in the day to day. Great, great car.

GPF introduced durong the .2 cycle. Can't remeber the timing, but worth considering getting an early one.

willisit said: Specs on them are all over the place; I wanted rear-steer (actually more helpful for parking...), glass roof and the interior, which many don't have for some odd reason!. I wanted a manual but I was either giving up the spec for the gearbox... or it was silver and still, not having the spec.In the end I have everything I wanted but with PDK. I'm still looking for a manual :P Warranty will sort the turbos out. I've had mine checked but that doesn't mean much in the day to day. Great, great car. It astonishes me how many of the (particularly late i.e. 2018) cars have standard interior with plastic dash. Most of the cars currently in the OPC network seems to be specced this way.

CloudStuff said: GPF introduced durong the .2 cycle. Can't remeber the timing, but worth considering getting an early one. Agreed. I think pre September 2018 is the choice for no GPF.

bosshog said: Any 991.2 building guide is going to be applicable to the GTS really. Options are just whatever you like in a car, as its a GTS it'll have all the ones you really need or want already IMO except RWS which you'd need to try to know if its worth it or not. Seats are a personal preference again. If you get one with center locks you need to be aware you'll have to go to the OPC to change tyres etc which you may or may not be happy about. Good independents are familiar with centre locks.

Car is listed as having (the below) - is this correct ?? (991.2) Alcantara Package GTS including Carmine Red/Rhodium Silver GTS interior package £2,391 GTS interior package £2,324

Given it’s a gts I’d say gts interior w/ full alcantara including wheel plus centrelocks is a must, what’s the point otherwise. Then seats, lights, Bose, then your into personal choice, sunroof, rws, manual etc etc. strange seeing gts without alcantara wheel.

Guybrush said: CloudStuff said: GPF introduced durong the .2 cycle. Can't remeber the timing, but worth considering getting an early one. Agreed. I think pre September 2018 is the choice for no GPF. Quite astonishing typos from me there!

I am also looking for a 991.2 GTS although in different spec from the OP I think. In terms of the interior packages, and sorry to ask a question that has been asked before but the answer is not clear, What does the GTS Interior Package bring and what exactly does the Alcantara package GTS bring? As far as I can make out, these cars come with any variation from no alcantara at all, to alcantara on: - door inserts - door handles - steering wheel - gear selector (PDK) - seat inserts - whole seats inc bolsters - Sun visors - glovebox lid And it seems the GTS package also includes leather dash with contrast stitching and CF on the centre console and dash. Does GTS + alcantara = all the above? Or is it a la carte? Personally I would like some/most of these but there is a lot of variation. Any enlightenment appreciated. Also is the September 2018 cutoff for GPF the manufacture date? How does one know that? Thank you.

There was only GTS interior pack which comes with all that stuff you’ve listed and you could choose silver or red stitch. On top of that you could also choose the carbon trim pack which gives you all the carbon interior bits.

Thank you. There does seem to be a lot of variation within that 'GTS Interior' envelope. I have just looked at one 991.2 GTS which did not have the GTS interior pack on its spec sheet, and had alcantara door cards/handles, steering wheel, seat inserts, PDK handle, but not glovebox lid or centre console and a non leather dash; it had no mention of a la Carte alcantara on the spec sheet. Meanwhile I have seen some GTSs with the Interior pack which had non alcantara steering wheel and PDK selector and alcantara glovebox and leather dash, and the only relevant spec difference was that they had the interior pack. While others with the same stated spec have alcantara in other places and not in others. And some seats are all alcantara on their squab and some are alcantara on the squab/insert and leather on the bolster, while others are all leather, all on GTSs, seems to vary by seat not by interior pack, but not in a way I comprehend. A minor mystery! Edited by Venosta on Wednesday 25th October 22:17

As posted on a previous thread. Milemuncher said: Standard interior has half leather / half Alcantara seats with plastic dash and door trims. Optional GTS interior has half leather / half Alcantara seats, leather dash and door trims and stitching in black. Optional GTS interior in conjunction with red or silver stitching has half leather / half Alcantara seats with red or silver stitching (obviously!) and matching coloured dials. I think Alcantara wheel was standard across all, but lots of cars have optional leather wheel as they wear better.

Just to add I think the carbon interior trim came as part of the silver / red stitching pack. It could be separately optioned on the others but they usually have the black sort of brushed metal looking trim (can’t remember the official name and don’t have brochure to hand at the moment!)

Guybrush said: Good independents are familiar with centre locks. Had to replace tyres on my 987 Spyder & 997RS this year. In both cases, the OPC (Swindon) fitted quote was less than Blackcircles

Milemuncher you are absolutely right sorry you said that in reply to a previous thread I started. I see the system of dash/stitching etc. What does still seem to be a mystery to me anyway is the extent of alcantara on the doors, gear selector (seems random distribution), and the centre console armrest (?). Noted that alcantara on steering wheel was often deleted. What about sun visors and interior A pillars..?

Alcantara sunvisors were an additional option, not included in any of the packs. I’m not sure about the pillars or armrest. I’m away at the moment but have a GTS brochure at home, so will check when I get back.

Thank you, would be interesting to know. A GTS I saw this week had alcantara armrest, seats, wheel, gear selector, door pulls, and door cards but had no GTS pack and nothing re alcantara on the spec sheet.

Could someone help me? - Is the GTS suspension firmer than the S's? (I know its lower genereally) - Is there less sound deading? Thanks!

Here’s an example. The first car is a GTS with no extra alcantara pack/interior. It has alcantara seats, door grabs, door cards, armrest, steering wheel and gear s t selector. The second car is a GTS with the Alcantara package GTS in conjunction with GTS package. In addition to the above it has alcantara glovebox lid, and the carbon and the leather dash (first car is plastic dash), but no alcantara steering wheel or gearshift: so arguably less alcantara than the car without the alcantara package. This is what’s confusing me. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311033... https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...

Tops of the doors are also in leather when you spec the GTS pack, so better to view the GTS pack as extended leather and alcantara vs the plastic/alcantara standard interior. The steering wheel can be optioned in leather which they have done on the second car, a GTS pack interior is far better than the standard one IMO and worth seeking out.

Venosta said: Milemuncher you are absolutely right sorry you said that in reply to a previous thread I started. I see the system of dash/stitching etc. What does still seem to be a mystery to me anyway is the extent of alcantara on the doors, gear selector (seems random distribution), and the centre console armrest (?). Noted that alcantara on steering wheel was often deleted. What about sun visors and interior A pillars..? So I have a 991.2 GTS and the catalogue. The A pillars and roof lining in alcantara was standard on the GTS coupe but as another poster said, the sun visors were extra. I have a pdf of the catalogue if you need it. I am thinking of moving my 991.2 on and was recently looking at the 992 and was surprised to see that on the 992 you have to spec the roof lining it's not standard anymore! You have to option more to get the same quality. The confusion and reason why so many GTS are different is that even before adding the GTS pack you still got a shed load of alcantara as standard as below: (from the catalogue) Another is the use of racetrackproven Alcantara®. Particularly easy to grip, it lines the steering wheel rim and the gear lever/selector. And it is also found on the door pulls, the armrest on the door panels, the lid of the centre console storage compartment and – in the Coupé models – on the roof lining. The seat centres are also upholstered in Alcantara®. The headrests are additionally embroidered with the ‘GTS’ logo. And then the GTS pack added: GTS interior package. Anything can be enhanced. Even things that are already top class. Proof: the optional GTS interior package, designed to add sporty contrasts. The optional leather interior package with extensive items in Alcantara® includes accents in the contrasting colour of Carmine Red or Rhodium Silver. The ‘GTS’ logos on the headrests are embroidered in the chosen contrasting colour. As are various decorative seams and the ‘PORSCHE’ logo on the floor mats. The seat belts and the dial face of the rev counter are also finished in the contrasting colour. And it gets sportier still: with carbon. This particularly lightweight material is used on the dashboard trim strips and doors, as well as on the centre console. A touch of motorsport authenticity. hope that helps Phil

Polyp said: So I have a 991.2 GTS and the catalogue. The A pillars and roof lining in alcantara was standard on the GTS coupe but as another poster said, the sun visors were extra. I have a pdf of the catalogue if you need it. I am thinking of moving my 991.2 on and was recently looking at the 992 and was surprised to see that on the 992 you have to spec the roof lining it's not standard anymore! You have to option more to get the same quality. The confusion and reason why so many GTS are different is that even before adding the GTS pack you still got a shed load of alcantara as standard as below: (from the catalogue) Another is the use of racetrackproven Alcantara®. Particularly easy to grip, it lines the steering wheel rim and the gear lever/selector. And it is also found on the door pulls, the armrest on the door panels, the lid of the centre console storage compartment and – in the Coupé models – on the roof lining. The seat centres are also upholstered in Alcantara®. The headrests are additionally embroidered with the ‘GTS’ logo. And then the GTS pack added: GTS interior package. Anything can be enhanced. Even things that are already top class. Proof: the optional GTS interior package, designed to add sporty contrasts. The optional leather interior package with extensive items in Alcantara® includes accents in the contrasting colour of Carmine Red or Rhodium Silver. The ‘GTS’ logos on the headrests are embroidered in the chosen contrasting colour. As are various decorative seams and the ‘PORSCHE’ logo on the floor mats. The seat belts and the dial face of the rev counter are also finished in the contrasting colour. And it gets sportier still: with carbon. This particularly lightweight material is used on the dashboard trim strips and doors, as well as on the centre console. A touch of motorsport authenticity. hope that helps Phil That is really helpful thank you and explains a lot. I have added GTS Interior package to my list of must haves (narrowing the choice even more). Leather dash is important, carbon looks very nice too. I hadn't connected the red/silver rev counter with this package before, not a must have for me but fine. So now my required options are (apart from colour). GTS Interior package and ideally Bose and reversing camera, and no alcantara delete and no PSP, which I didn't get on with in my 992C2S.

This is the spec on mine which i chose when new. Have done 37k miles in it as a daily driver. I would chose the same spec again only minus cruise control, but would add the sunroof, and possibly the PCCBs as suspect it would improve ride quality and the brake dust build up on the black wheels is annoying. Personally I would not buy one without rear wheel steering and the full GTS interior (required 2 separate boxes ticked). I changed the steering wheel and gear selector to leather as Alcantara wears badly on high use areas. -GT Silver Metallic paint -GTS interior package -Alcantara® Package GTS Carmine Red in conjunction with GTS interior package -Deletion of model designation (rear) -Deletion of model designation (on doors) -LED main headlights in black including Porsche Dynamic Light System Plus (PDLS Plus) -Porsche Entry & Drive (keyless entry and ignition) -ParkAssist (front and rear) with reversing camera -Privacy glass (rear side windows and rear window) -Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) -Rear-axle steering -20-inch 911 Turbo S wheels (these are the standard GTS centre-lock wheels in satin black) -Cruise control -Automatically dimming mirrors with integrated rain sensor -Light design package -GT Sport steering wheel in Leather (selected as the standard Alcantara wheel wears poorly) -Heated multifunction steering wheel (bliss in winter) -Adaptive Sports seats Plus (18-way, electric, w/ memory package, heated) -Smoking package (selected for the additional 12v socket and storage compartment) -Passenger footwell storage net -ISOFIX child seat mounting points on front passenger seat -Steering column casing in leather -BOSE® Surround Sound-System

Sorry, I am not usually dim, but I am confused again. There are three elements that seem to overlap each other… 1. The cars come with lots of alcantara anyway 2. There is a GTS interior package 3 there is the -Alcantara® Package GTS in conjunction with GTS interior package Phil outlined what one of these extras brings, but how do they all relate to each other?

Venosta said: Sorry, I am not usually dim, but I am confused again. There are three elements that seem to overlap each other… 1. The cars come with lots of alcantara anyway 2. There is a GTS interior package 3 there is the -Alcantara® Package GTS in conjunction with GTS interior package Phil outlined what one of these extras brings, but how do they all relate to each other? For the ‘completist’ you can probably find the brochures archived online relating to the interior. The GTS interior package included things like the coloured stitching (Carmine Red or GT silver), floor mats, extra bits in leather, and the GTS alcantara package included extra items in alcantara. Hours, days and weeks were spent by many (including myself) in spec’ing our cars while the grass grew long and the children went unwashed. ;-) If you’re in the market for a 991.2 GTS just look for one you like. The exact interior probably doesn’t matter much on a 6 yr old car. A lot of cars will have both packages as at the time the usual ‘you’ll never sell it without’ was doing the rounds regarding second hand resale value. All I would say is get one with RWS which makes it feel more like a mid engined car. The full GTS interior is nice (makes it feel a bit more special) but probably not essential.

Kermitgreenmeanmachine said: For the ‘completist’ you can probably find the brochures archived online relating to the interior. The GTS interior package included things like the coloured stitching (Carmine Red or GT silver), floor mats, extra bits in leather, and the GTS alcantara package included extra items in alcantara. Hours, days and weeks were spent by many (including myself) in spec’ing our cars while the grass grew long and the children went unwashed. ;-) If you’re in the market for a 991.2 GTS just look for one you like. The exact interior probably doesn’t matter much on a 6 yr old car. A lot of cars will have both packages as at the time the usual ‘you’ll never sell it without’ was doing the rounds regarding second hand resale value. All I would say is get one with RWS which makes it feel more like a mid engined car. The full GTS interior is nice (makes it feel a bit more special) but probably not essential. Edit:GTS interior package also included carbon fibre trim on doors, dash and around gear lever, plus rev counter in red or silver.

Thank you, all very helpful. What with my wife's exterior colour requirements, and my interior spec requirements (both packages) we have limited choice although not in a hurry. RWS would be good but to make that a must-have might narrow it down too much. Very little new stock on the market. People on other threads are talking about discounts at end of year but there's nothing available that fits the criteria even at a higher price. Meanwhile, I guess those who own will see the market is not strong right now so I can't see a flood of cars becoming available. So it's a waiting game.

RWS seems to divide opinion, like PDCC. I drove a RWS 992 last week and honestly couldn’t detect it, although the owner said he wouldn’t spec it again. He said the main advantage was in low speed manoeuvring or high speed corners. But he thought the natural feel of the rear wheels doing their work would be better without RWS.

I have a 2017 GTS with a huge spec, pretty much everything apart form PDCC, which having had on my GT4, I wouldn’t want again. The market ‘suggests / dictates’ certain options are required for resale. Whether they are required or not is debatable. Pano roof, GTS interior pack with extended leather. Etc. Having done circa 18k miles in my car on both fast road and some track, I would say that the driver aids that really do add to the performance of the car are: rear steer, PDCC and 18 way seats, along with the lower chassis option. This, along with a decent geo set up and you have a capable car that on a good day is capable of showing a GT3 around a track. Mega cars and the sweat spot of the 991 range.

Spec: CarPlay is standard, Bose down to personal choice (a must for me). GTS interior package has already been well covered. 18-way seats and PDLS a dream. As someone else mentioned, there seem to be a lot of late 2018/19 cars out there without leather dash (why?). I personally wouldn’t touch one! I would take or leave the glass roof, but a friend of mine in the trade did once tell me those without are much harder to sell. Gearbox down to personal preference but having owned both I’d say then 7sp manual isn’t Porsche’s finest. PCCBs on GTS rare, look fantastic. Regular brakes were absolutely fine (caveat - never tracked mine). Mine had the front axel lift, handy but not a deal breaker because this is no GT car, tends to clear most things. Things to check: Go into the CL wheels with your eyes open. They are both a blessing and a curse, look great, but you are at the peril of the OPCs for tyres, brakes and a simple wheel refurb (after clipping it getting off the eurotunnel) is not simple. The wheel nuts also have a tendency to go milky, especially if someone has used aggressive cleaning chemicals or gone to the local hand car wash! They are about a grand to replace, so if your buying a Porsche approved vehicle push for them to be done prior to purchase cause they can’t be painted. Take a good look at the bottom of the radiators for corrosion, they are leave collectors! If wet leaves etc are left in there for months it can rot them. Some fit those horrible 3rd party grills, personally can’t stand them. I suffered the turbo issue, at 8k miles! Unfortunately there is no way to tell if your affected, it would overboost and go into a low power mode until vehicle turned off/on. OPC were vague, diagnosed it as actuator and swapped both turbos under warranty, would have cost something daft like £12-15k. So probably worth buying approved used car to protect you against this.