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Looking at the official Porsche website I note there are currently 62 718 GT4 for sale at present, both manual and PDK. I know a lot of cars get traded at this time of year, but I think the market is a lot tougher now especially with the cost of finance at 10%+, up from around 4% when I did my 981 GT4 in May! I suspect it has a lot to do with mortgage hikes and availability, and the recession. Feels a lot like the early 90s at the moment.

65 now. That's a lot.

That’s a lot Yes, interest rates, tax rises, political uncertainty, social issues, oversupply, future environmental restrictions ….. Things will no doubt find a new level and hopefully settle, but surely the days of demand outstripping supply, price premiums and ‘flipping’, are over - across the board?

I doubt it. New supply is still restricted, and speccing a car for yourself will always appeal.

You cannot have 64 cars in the main dealer network alone and still claim they are rare, clearly few people are buying them at premium prices. Presumably these cars are being sold back by private buyers and they must now be taking a chunky loss as it seems unlikely any OPC will be rushing to get more stock. Hence I think we can assume that the glory days of flipping are drawing to a rapid close....

Some people still have their heads in the sand and tell you only 3 cars are the right spec and it’s still an overs car! A few people on here have bought late low miles cars Pdk buckets under list! Some OPC are still trying it on with cars over £100k but I expect they will fall to low 90s or even high 80s before the years out! Oh it’s nothing to do with season either as good high demand cars sell anytime of year! As long as you have bought to keep and enjoy then all the above is irrelevant just not good for flippers and the not so straight acting OPCs

Yeah people go on about spec, and it obviously is important, but regardless of spec, the OPC’s still want their 10k margin. So if you sell back to them, depreciation is certainly a real thing, and here to stay I’d imagine. Just normality returning really, coupled with more normal interest rates.

OPCs have paid too much for their current stock, so are looking to offload. Expect their future offers on used cars to be quite a chunk lower than the past year.

DMC2 said: OPCs have paid too much for their current stock, so are looking to offload. Expect their future offers on used cars to be quite a chunk lower than the past year. My local dealer isn’t even offering on cars unless they think they have a buyer lined up.

i honestly read that title and OP as 62,718 GT4S’ and was quite bamboozled there for a few seconds

GT4P said: Some people still have their heads in the sand and tell you only 3 cars are the right spec and it’s still an overs car! A few people on here have bought late low miles cars Pdk buckets under list! Some OPC are still trying it on with cars over £100k but I expect they will fall to low 90s or even high 80s before the years out! Oh it’s nothing to do with season either as good high demand cars sell anytime of year! As long as you have bought to keep and enjoy then all the above is irrelevant just not good for flippers and the not so straight acting OPCs £80K is where they should be. Anymore than that is crazy for a Gt4.

blackmamba said: My local dealer isn’t even offering on cars unless they think they have a buyer lined up. Same here.

fiesta_STage3 said: i honestly read that title and OP as 62,718 GT4S’ and was quite bamboozled there for a few seconds Apologies for that! That would be very concerning if correct.

Well seen the first 718 GT4 in an OPC for under £80k Early car but low miles though but still shows where they are heading!

Link for doubters https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211081...

GT4P said: Link for doubters https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211081... Worst poverty spec GT4 I've ever seen advertised. With plenty other much better optioned GT4s for sale I'll be very surprised this car will sell at any price. Even the Guards Red and Aurum wheels clash horribly

burman said: Apologies for that! That would be very concerning if correct. gosh - no apology needed, i was laughing at myself for being dumb and figured you folks would, too. …That it took me even a few seconds to decide it wasn’t possible says something about the sales success of the brand, right?

Taffy66 said: Worst poverty spec GT4 I've ever seen advertised. With plenty other much better optioned GT4s for sale I'll be very surprised this car will sell at any price. Even the Guards Red and Aurum wheels clash horribly Guards Red and Aurum are a fantastic combination imo. Just shows everyones taste is different

Taffy66 said: GT4P said: Link for doubters https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211081... Worst poverty spec GT4 I've ever seen advertised. With plenty other much better optioned GT4s for sale I'll be very surprised this car will sell at any price. Even the Guards Red and Aurum wheels clash horribly Yep they don't get much more poverty spec than that for sure. Early run car approaching 3 years old with comfort seats and not even got extended leather. Very difficult sell. But still around £5k premium over the £75k basic list price new.

coffeekid said: Guards Red and Aurum are a fantastic combination imo. Just shows everyones taste is different Guards red is great in fact Porsche made it a special order very expensive colour on the 991.1 GT3 RS. Had many Porsche GTs in Guards. Just not with the aurum wheels.

av185 said: Yep they don't get much more poverty spec than that for sure. Early run car approaching 3 years old with comfort seats and not even got extended leather. Very difficult sell. But still around £5k premium over the £75k basic list price new. Conversely, would I be in the market, this is exactly the sort spec I'd seek out. Really don't think that leather is a necessity on a GT car. Red a lovely colour (I'll skip the Aurum wheels tho).

Love Guards which was the colour I chose for my old 981GT4 just not with Aurum wheels. I'd much rather pay £10-15k more for a newer GT4 with all the options.

Taffy66 said: Love Guards which was the colour I chose for my old 981GT4 just not with Aurum wheels. I'd much rather pay £10-15k more for a newer GT4 with all the options. Wheels professionally refinished for £250. Im not sure id get £15k of value out of a leather dashboard, nor i'd expect would the 15k be factored in upon any subsequent resale, however if its a keeper for life then I understand buying exactly what you want. For the record also had guards red 996 and 997's and its a decent colour for the car, better than Gentian etc.

GT4P said: Link for doubters https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211081... That is one seriously oddly specced car. No wonder it's cheaper than everything else! Definitely not one to gauge the market by.

I think the red car looks awesome - Guards Red is an iconic Porsche colour. The spec is the issue though.

coffeekid said: Taffy66 said: Worst poverty spec GT4 I've ever seen advertised. With plenty other much better optioned GT4s for sale I'll be very surprised this car will sell at any price. Even the Guards Red and Aurum wheels clash horribly Guards Red and Aurum are a fantastic combination imo. Just shows everyones taste is different Agree, guards red and aurum wheels look great together.

scogins said: I think the red car looks awesome - Guards Red is an iconic Porsche colour. The spec is the issue though. It's odd that when Porsche strip 5kg out with a carbon roof or remove 2kg of sound deadening it makes a car more desirable. When a manufacturer sticks on fake carbon fibre or wood, for many it doesnt enhance a car. When somebody buys a GT4 why do you want leather glued all over the dash etc

The extended leather option in addition to leather dash top also adds leather door tops and quite simply makes the cabin a much nicer place to be. Much discussed previously across forums it really is a classic 'no brainer option' for many new Porsches not only adding value to the car above the option cost but making it a far nicer place to sit and makes the car much easier sell too as most used buyers demand it. Win win.

av185 said: The extended leather option in addition to leather dash top also adds leather door tops and quite simply makes the cabin a much nicer place to be. Much discussed previously across forums it really is a classic 'no brainer option' for many new Porsches not only adding value to the car above the option cost but making it a far nicer place to sit and makes the car much easier sell too as most used buyers demand it. Win win. I don't personally disagree, however i can also see a logic for asking for them not to glue extra leather to the dash in a GT4, bet its exclusion saves 5kg, surprised its not a chargeable option by Porsche

bennno said: It's odd that when Porsche strip 5kg out with a carbon roof or remove 2kg of sound deadening it makes a car more desirable. When a manufacturer sticks on fake carbon fibre or wood, for many it doesnt enhance a car. When somebody buys a GT4 why do you want leather glued all over the dash etc I'm not thinking about the additional leather - I'm thinking more about PCCB's, Clubsport Pack, carbon buckets and PDLS+.

Personally I like Guards Red but needs silver wheels/satin platinum. It might be poverty spec. but it is still a low miles 718gt4 in an OPC for under £80k! List may have been around £75k not including first year sales tax but trade on that must have been sub £70k To add 29 cars now under £90k, there’s some 21plates and PDKs in those numbers Edited by GT4P on Wednesday 16th November 17:29

scogins said: I'm not thinking about the additional leather - I'm thinking more about PCCB's, Clubsport Pack, carbon buckets and PDLS+. Mine had Carbon Buckets but lots don't as they are eye waveringly expensive and make the car less suited to long distances, i can see benefits in no pccb's given huge cost of repair or replacements Lots of people saying the club sport pack just adds weight, rattles and [potentially] extra insurance cost to the car....

bennno said: Mine had Carbon Buckets but lots don't as they are eye waveringly expensive and make the car less suited to long distances, i can see benefits in no pccb's given huge cost of repair or replacements Lots of people saying the club sport pack just adds weight, rattles and [potentially] extra insurance cost to the car.... I've no doubt that the red car is an ideal spec for someone , but the advertised price clearly suggests that its not a spec that would appeal to the majority of prospective GT4 buyers.

Focusing on it being less than £80k is ignoring the fact that it's still over list price when new given the options were under a grand (chrono and wheel colour). It's a lousy spec with minimal appeal. I could possibly see the attraction as a track hack if it had buckets, but it doesn't!

bennno said: Mine had Carbon Buckets but lots don't as they are eye waveringly expensive and make the car less suited to long distances, i can see benefits in no pccb's given huge cost of repair or replacements Lots of people saying the club sport pack just adds weight, rattles and [potentially] extra insurance cost to the car.... The buckets are perfectly suited to long distances if you find them super comfy, as I do. No-one says the CS pack rattles, because it doesn't. The cage may "ping" occasionally though

Twinfan said: The buckets are perfectly suited to long distances if you find them super comfy, as I do. No-one says the CS pack rattles, because it doesn't. The cage may "ping" occasionally though Agreed. I was in mine (with buckets) for 9 hours (3 of which was stuck in the recent M25 protests) and I was perfectly comfy for the duration.

GT4P said: Personally I like Guards Red but needs silver wheels/satin platinum. It might be poverty spec. but it is still a low miles 718gt4 in an OPC for under £80k! List may have been around £75k not including first year sales tax but trade on that must have been sub £70k To add 29 cars now under £90k, there’s some 21plates and PDKs in those numbers Edited by GT4P on Wednesday 16th November 17:29 My OPCs and many others sell mine and other customers cars for between £3500 and £5000 irrespective of price. £10k is cloud cuckoo land for an £80k car especially a GT4. So it is perfectly possible that GT4s owner will still make a profit ££. Not bad for 3 years free motoring in a very poorly specced GT car with sofas. And for balance there are several OPC GT4s for sale at approaching £110k. Feel free to provide more examples of what should be the cheapest/oldest/ highest mileage/weirdest spect/multi owned OPC GT4 for sale still above list btw. :

burman said: Looking at the official Porsche website I note there are currently 62 718 GT4 for sale at present, both manual and PDK. I know a lot of cars get traded at this time of year, but I think the market is a lot tougher now especially with the cost of finance at 10%+, up from around 4% when I did my 981 GT4 in May! I suspect it has a lot to do with mortgage hikes and availability, and the recession. Feels a lot like the early 90s at the moment. And that’s before you add the used ones for sale outside of the OPC network. Must be close to 90 cars advertised currently, which is not far off 10% of current production numbers for the Uk. Seems many are trying to get out.

coffeekid said: Taffy66 said: Worst poverty spec GT4 I've ever seen advertised. With plenty other much better optioned GT4s for sale I'll be very surprised this car will sell at any price. Even the Guards Red and Aurum wheels clash horribly Guards Red and Aurum are a fantastic combination imo. Just shows everyones taste is different Can’t beat a set of Aurum wheels in my opinion.

GT4P said: Personally I like Guards Red but needs silver wheels/satin platinum. It might be poverty spec. but it is still a low miles 718gt4 in an OPC for under £80k! List may have been around £75k not including first year sales tax but trade on that must have been sub £70k To add 29 cars now under £90k, there’s some 21plates and PDKs in those numbers An opc would be trying to pull 10k to 15k out of that car trade bids have to be sub 70k. Scary stuff Edited by GT4P on Wednesday 16th November 17:29

av185 said: My OPCs and many others sell mine and other customers cars for between £3500 and £5000 irrespective of price. £10k is cloud cuckoo land for an £80k car especially a GT4. So it is perfectly possible that GT4s owner will still make a profit ££. Not bad for 3 years free motoring in a very poorly specced GT car with sofas. And for balance there are several OPC GT4s for sale at approaching £110k. Feel free to provide more examples of what should be the cheapest/oldest/ highest mileage/weirdest spect/multi owned OPC GT4 for sale still above list btw. : No dealers will sell cars for 3.5k, unless you mean net profit, after 111, warranty, reconditioning

bennno said: av185 said: My OPCs and many others sell mine and other customers cars for between £3500 and £5000 irrespective of price. £10k is cloud cuckoo land for an £80k car especially a GT4. So it is perfectly possible that GT4s owner will still make a profit ££. Not bad for 3 years free motoring in a very poorly specced GT car with sofas. And for balance there are several OPC GT4s for sale at approaching £110k. Feel free to provide more examples of what should be the cheapest/oldest/ highest mileage/weirdest spect/multi owned OPC GT4 for sale still above list btw. : No dealers will sell cars for 3.5k, unless you mean net profit, after 111, warranty, reconditioning What reconditioning would your average 18 month GT4 need with say light use and under 2k miles? None whatsoever. Also largely depends on your relationship with your OPC. Also quite clearly many OPCs sell on SOR where they will do a cut price deal. As I say £10k and more really is cloud cuckoo land. Edited by av185 on Wednesday 16th November 20:26

av185 said: bennno said: av185 said: My OPCs and many others sell mine and other customers cars for between £3500 and £5000 irrespective of price. £10k is cloud cuckoo land for an £80k car especially a GT4. So it is perfectly possible that GT4s owner will still make a profit ££. Not bad for 3 years free motoring in a very poorly specced GT car with sofas. And for balance there are several OPC GT4s for sale at approaching £110k. Feel free to provide more examples of what should be the cheapest/oldest/ highest mileage/weirdest spect/multi owned OPC GT4 for sale still above list btw. : No dealers will sell cars for 3.5k, unless you mean net profit, after 111, warranty, reconditioning What reconditioning would your average 18 month GT4 need with say light use and under 2k miles? None whatsoever. Also largely depends on your relationship with your OPC. Also quite clearly many OPCs sell on SOR where they will do a cut price deal. Stone chips / prep , servicing, 111 check, warranty extension, sales commission. They arent taking that out of 3.5k

GT4P said: Link for doubters https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211081... That is £10K over priced. Whoever specced it must have treated the process like pinning the tail on the donkey.

bennno said: av185 said: bennno said: av185 said: My OPCs and many others sell mine and other customers cars for between £3500 and £5000 irrespective of price. £10k is cloud cuckoo land for an £80k car especially a GT4. So it is perfectly possible that GT4s owner will still make a profit ££. Not bad for 3 years free motoring in a very poorly specced GT car with sofas. And for balance there are several OPC GT4s for sale at approaching £110k. Feel free to provide more examples of what should be the cheapest/oldest/ highest mileage/weirdest spect/multi owned OPC GT4 for sale still above list btw. : No dealers will sell cars for 3.5k, unless you mean net profit, after 111, warranty, reconditioning What reconditioning would your average 18 month GT4 need with say light use and under 2k miles? None whatsoever. Also largely depends on your relationship with your OPC. Also quite clearly many OPCs sell on SOR where they will do a cut price deal. Stone chips / prep , servicing, 111 check, warranty extension, sales commission. They arent taking that out of 3.5k One of my OPCs not only sold my 981 GT4 but also my 981 Spyder and 991.2 Carrera T for just £2500 per car SOR. Not being funny but it looks like you need to look at the 'bigger picture.'

bennno said: av185 said: My OPCs and many others sell mine and other customers cars for between £3500 and £5000 irrespective of price. £10k is cloud cuckoo land for an £80k car especially a GT4. So it is perfectly possible that GT4s owner will still make a profit ££. Not bad for 3 years free motoring in a very poorly specced GT car with sofas. And for balance there are several OPC GT4s for sale at approaching £110k. Feel free to provide more examples of what should be the cheapest/oldest/ highest mileage/weirdest spect/multi owned OPC GT4 for sale still above list btw. : No dealers will sell cars for 3.5k, unless you mean net profit, after 111, warranty, reconditioning Spot on. The opc which supplied me my gt4 wanted 10k SOR fees, I asked why so expensive and they said it’s due to be being a gt car. I was recommended another opc by a friend that I had never had any dealings with, they wanted 6k fees plus £750 prep, plus they wanted me to sign a contract saying anyone could drive the car when in there possession, it also had to be covered on my insurance. In the end I traded it to another OPC who I had sold a few cars to. I even tried jzm out of interest and they wanted minimum 5k and wanted to price it for sale far lower than the opc pricing. It wasn’t a easy sell and that was the tail end of last summer.

av185 said: bennno said: av185 said: My OPCs and many others sell mine and other customers cars for between £3500 and £5000 irrespective of price. £10k is cloud cuckoo land for an £80k car especially a GT4. So it is perfectly possible that GT4s owner will still make a profit ££. Not bad for 3 years free motoring in a very poorly specced GT car with sofas. And for balance there are several OPC GT4s for sale at approaching £110k. Feel free to provide more examples of what should be the cheapest/oldest/ highest mileage/weirdest spect/multi owned OPC GT4 for sale still above list btw. : No dealers will sell cars for 3.5k, unless you mean net profit, after 111, warranty, reconditioning What reconditioning would your average 18 month GT4 need with say light use and under 2k miles? None whatsoever. Also largely depends on your relationship with your OPC. Also quite clearly many OPCs sell on SOR where they will do a cut price deal. As I say £10k and more really is cloud cuckoo land. Edited by av185 on Wednesday 16th November 20:26 They will all tell you it needs to go through their workshop and have a pre porsche inspection, they will charge for this. Some £500 some £750, if it has any stone chips you will be covering the cost for that to and to paint it correctly won’t be cheap with porsche pricing.

av185 said: What reconditioning would your average 18 month GT4 need with say light use and under 2k miles? None whatsoever. Also largely depends on your relationship with your OPC. Also quite clearly many OPCs sell on SOR where they will do a cut price deal. As I say £10k and more really is cloud cuckoo land. It's no secret that OPC's seek to make in the region of 10% profit on their used cars. Ask one of the Sales team... they'll likely tell you! £80k sticker price... they'll want £8k profit (after their costs for prep / warranty... which can easily be £2k). That fancy facility and all those members of staff aren't going to pay for themselves!

AV185 you posted in another reply to a post that OPC like to see £10-15k return in a car make up your mind! The figures can be played around with, is it or isn’t over list but the fact remains punters are buying fairly new cars under list, prices are falling and we now have a car under £80k in an OPC and some better specd cars only a few grand more! Yes there are cars in some OPC over £100k but these are overpriced with dealers trying their luck but that luck is running out!

AV185 “Also largely depends on your relationship with your OPC.” ????????? I wondered how you get all the new GT/Specials- which you then only do a few k miles? So is this why you are so defensive over values?

Bear in mind they need to pay 20% VAT on the margin. When it sold my 718S to an OPC buyer via Motorway, he told me they would put £8k on it's as had to put it through the workshop for a fixed £1500 prep irrespective of what had to be done, £1600 for warranty, so that is £4900 profit that then incurs £820 VAT, and leaves £4080 profit (which was pretty much 10% profit on what they paid me for it) Edited by elan362 on Wednesday 16th November 21:27

They'll start with a 5 in a few years time.

julian987R said: They'll start with a 5 in a few years time. I personally don’t think so but happy to be proved wrong

GT4P said: julian987R said: They'll start with a 5 in a few years time. I personally don’t think so but happy to be proved wrong Next year 70s, then 2024 60's and some higher milers starting in the 50s I see a time when the original GT4 and Cayman R will be more expensive than a 718Gt4

julian987R said: Next year 70s, then 2024 60's and some higher milers starting in the 50s I see a time when the original GT4 and Cayman R will be more expensive than a 718Gt4 That’s a bit far fetched, it will continue to carry a premium against both. R not special enough..

bennno said: julian987R said: Next year 70s, then 2024 60's and some higher milers starting in the 50s I see a time when the original GT4 and Cayman R will be more expensive than a 718Gt4 That’s a bit far fetched, it will continue to carry a premium against both. R not special enough.. Appreciate your difference of opinion. I don’t think it is far fetched at all. In years to come there is nothing special or important about the 718GT4. The R yes, original GT4 yes, the RS yes, but a face lift 981 GT4 (which is what the 718 essentially is) has zero importance in the great scheme of things. I am sure they drive nice, shiny and fast, etc but there is zero significance to 718GT4. It has no cache, no kudos, no gravitas, no lineage exclusivity, it’s just a step change of a 981. Time will tell of course, but I am quite Nostradamus about these things. Best regards Edited by julian987R on Wednesday 16th November 22:41 Edited by julian987R on Wednesday 16th November 22:42

julian987R said: Appreciate your difference of opinion. I don’t think it is far fetched at all. In years to come there is nothing special or important about the 718GT4. The R yes, original GT4 yes, the RS yes, but a face lift 981 GT4 (which is what the 718 essentially is) has zero importance in the great scheme of things. I am sure they drive nice, shiny and fast, etc but there is zero significance to 718GT4. It has no cache, no kudos, no gravitas, no lineage exclusivity, it’s just a step change of a 981. Time will tell of course, but I am quite Nostradamus about these things. Best regards Edited by julian987R on Wednesday 16th November 22:41 Edited by julian987R on Wednesday 16th November 22:42 So by this logic there’s nothing special about a 991.2 GT3 or RS compared to a 991.1 version?

bennno said: julian987R said: Appreciate your difference of opinion. I don’t think it is far fetched at all. In years to come there is nothing special or important about the 718GT4. The R yes, original GT4 yes, the RS yes, but a face lift 981 GT4 (which is what the 718 essentially is) has zero importance in the great scheme of things. I am sure they drive nice, shiny and fast, etc but there is zero significance to 718GT4. It has no cache, no kudos, no gravitas, no lineage exclusivity, it’s just a step change of a 981. Time will tell of course, but I am quite Nostradamus about these things. Best regards Edited by julian987R on Wednesday 16th November 22:41 Edited by julian987R on Wednesday 16th November 22:42 So by this logic there’s nothing special about a 991.2 GT3 or RS compared to a 991.1 version? I am not sure how you got to that logic based on my logic. Cayman and 911's, Apples and Oranges.

julian987R said: Next year 70s, then 2024 60's and some higher milers starting in the 50s I see a time when the original GT4 and Cayman R will be more expensive than a 718Gt4 First line maybe a bit pessimistic, at least many will be hoping so. Second line? Could happen. If the original has something that the followers didn't, it can sometimes go that way. Jaguar XK140 and XK150 were massive developments over the XK120. I know which one I'd rather own, and I always have done. And somehow, they are worth quite a bit more. Gut feel is that I love my old 981 GT4, and if I had garage space for a Cayman R too, I'd probably own one. Not that often we agree @julian987R, but I think you may well have a point. Liam

julian987R said: I am not sure how you got to that logic based on my logic. Cayman and 911's, Apples and Oranges. Your logic is that the .2 is not going to be worth more than a .1 as it is just a facelift. For the 991 GT3s, the .2 had a much improved engine along with the facelift so it's not just a skin change. It's the same for the GT4s, so the comparison is valid. I think we'll continue to see what we see now longer term - 981s holding good used values with an equivalent 718 being worth just that litle bit more.

9005rpm said: Well priced car at Ashgood https://www.ashgood.co.uk/vehicle-details/Porsche-... November 2021, 3,000 miles, buckets, PCCB £94k Wow that’s an excellent price, market changing drastically since I sold at rye end of last summer. Makes you wonder how much they bought it for Mine was a hard sell end of last summer, couldn’t imagine it’s like now! That one won’t be around long looking at its spec and price.

9005rpm said: Well priced car at Ashgood https://www.ashgood.co.uk/vehicle-details/Porsche-... November 2021, 3,000 miles, buckets, PCCB £94k Nice spec but it looks like no cage...

dontdobends said: 9005rpm said: Well priced car at Ashgood https://www.ashgood.co.uk/vehicle-details/Porsche-... November 2021, 3,000 miles, buckets, PCCB £94k Nice spec but it looks like no cage... Is that a good price for a 15 month old car what would it’s list be ?

Similar car at RPM that is £11k more https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/porsche-sales/vehicle/718...

Thanks again for all your advice and help so far. I'm still debating between a top spec 981 and an early 718. Does anyone know anything about this car? I know it won't be to everyone's taste but I quite like the traditional GT spec of red and red stitch. Seems to have all the good options too. The risky bit is that it sits in some sort of car supermarket and they won't allow anyone to plug in to do a rev range check. The challenges of being on a tight budget.... https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14091870

ClubsportStr said: dontdobends said: 9005rpm said: Well priced car at Ashgood https://www.ashgood.co.uk/vehicle-details/Porsche-... November 2021, 3,000 miles, buckets, PCCB £94k Nice spec but it looks like no cage... Is that a good price for a 15 month old car what would it’s list be ? One thing to note. 'List' today is very different to 'list' when that car was new in Nov 21. Since that car was originally ordered there have been nearly £6k of price rises, so even though it's around current 'list', the actual reality is it's way above its original list. That's one of the reasons why the current market is so nuanced with prices

GT4RS said: 9005rpm said: Well priced car at Ashgood https://www.ashgood.co.uk/vehicle-details/Porsche-... November 2021, 3,000 miles, buckets, PCCB £94k Wow that’s an excellent price, market changing drastically since I sold at rye end of last summer. Makes you wonder how much they bought it for Mine was a hard sell end of last summer, couldn’t imagine it’s like now! That one won’t be around long looking at its spec and price. Agreed, the market is much stronger than at the end of last summer.

VH02 AML said: Thanks again for all your advice and help so far. I'm still debating between a top spec 981 and an early 718. Does anyone know anything about this car? I know it won't be to everyone's taste but I quite like the traditional GT spec of red and red stitch. Seems to have all the good options too. The risky bit is that it sits in some sort of car supermarket and they won't allow anyone to plug in to do a rev range check. The challenges of being on a tight budget.... https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14091870 Rightly or wrongly, they don't have the best reputation so read in to that what you will.

Fnumber1user said: VH02 AML said: Thanks again for all your advice and help so far. I'm still debating between a top spec 981 and an early 718. Does anyone know anything about this car? I know it won't be to everyone's taste but I quite like the traditional GT spec of red and red stitch. Seems to have all the good options too. The risky bit is that it sits in some sort of car supermarket and they won't allow anyone to plug in to do a rev range check. The challenges of being on a tight budget.... https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14091870 Rightly or wrongly, they don't have the best reputation so read in to that what you will. Looked at a 4x4 from them some time ago, after reading around decided against it. It could be a good car but you need a rev check, it is not worth risking it imo. Does make you wonder if they know something or if they just don't do it themselves.

Any doubt just walk.

Thanks for the feedback. Enough to make me walk having read a bit more about them. Anybody spotted anything similar about? Can stretch to about 82k. Saw the GT Silver car at Leicester mentioned earlier but it wasn’t for me.

Interesting how several are being sold out of the OPC network. Cars traded in elsewhere/sold privately or ineligible for OPC sales due to issues/modifications etc?

OPC aren’t really taking GT cars at the moment… especially GT4 with the glut of them available. Any trade offers from OPC will be in the gutter… so sale to an Indy that will make a better offer than OPC, and will just take the car and put the cash in your account is an easy choice…. Especially if you’re not buying something from an OPC and the GT car is going back in exchange.

Very good point, but there are only 31 cars in the network as of now? That's less than one per centre. 17 with LWBS and 14 comforts. Doesn't seem overly excessive, but I get the point about taking on risk at this point in time.

Yeah OPC are getting a bit tired of sitting on SOR GTs as owners aren't reducing them and interest has dropped dramatically, yet the regular cars are selling well.

VH02 AML said: Thanks again for all your advice and help so far. I'm still debating between a top spec 981 and an early 718. https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14091870 Have you tried both? I much prefer the 981 to drive to the 718, definitely make sure you try if you can as they are quite different IMHO.

VH02 AML said: Thanks for the feedback. Enough to make me walk having read a bit more about them. Anybody spotted anything similar about? Can stretch to about 82k. Saw the GT Silver car at Leicester mentioned earlier but it wasn’t for me. This one has been around for a little while I think. Not sure why: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13988102 Edit: couple of private sales on autotrader that also seem in budget. Red one looks good Edited by gashead1105 on Wednesday 8th February 15:12

TDT said: OPC aren’t really taking GT cars at the moment… especially GT4 with the glut of them available. . Irony! … just received email from my suppling OPC offering to buy my GT4, lol. Sure… if you’ll allocate me a 4RS!

Ha ha! I nearly said that an OPC by me was looking to buy stock at the moment but thought it might be an isolated Centre. Days are starting to get longer, temperatures will start to rise a bit soon and sports cars will be in demand again. It's almost like it's cyclical...

^^^^ Yep guys as the days get longer and the temps rise as ever the best GT cars sell from a declining pool of cars and prices rise ££ in tandem. Happens every year still lots of money sloshing around stock markets booming despite the doom and gloom. As previously posted reckon on the next quarter being indicative of where we are price and demand wise but thus far the indications are certainly good.

TDT said: TDT said: OPC aren’t really taking GT cars at the moment… especially GT4 with the glut of them available. . Irony! … just received email from my suppling OPC offering to buy my GT4, lol. Sure… if you’ll allocate me a 4RS! But at what price ?

Taffy66 said: TDT said: TDT said: OPC aren’t really taking GT cars at the moment… especially GT4 with the glut of them available. . Irony! … just received email from my suppling OPC offering to buy my GT4, lol. Sure… if you’ll allocate me a 4RS! But at what price ? I don’t mind taking small hit to get a 4RS at list, if I’m guaranteed a car…call it reverse overs.

TDT said: I don’t mind taking small hit to get a 4RS at list, if I’m guaranteed a car…call it reverse overs. I'll be in exactly this position in a few weeks time. Wasn't expecting the tenure of my 718GT4 to be so short to be honest. Mine is a truly superb example with every option I desire. Took a long time to find the right one and being a one owner car a bit of an unicorn. I might try and persuade them to let me keep my GT4 if the offer isn't what I expect.

av185 said: ^^^^ Yep guys as the days get longer and the temps rise as ever the best GT cars sell from a declining pool of cars and prices rise ££ in tandem. Happens every year still lots of money sloshing around stock markets booming despite the doom and gloom. As previously posted reckon on the next quarter being indicative of where we are price and demand wise but thus far the indications are certainly good. Usually this would be the case but were in times which are a bit different. Certainly the best of the bench will sell, like wise more may come onto the market. It will be interesting never the less. Btw I don't obsess about values look at financial markets in general and being a petrol head its always interesting.

JayK12 said: Yeah OPC are getting a bit tired of sitting on SOR GTs as owners aren't reducing them and interest has dropped dramatically, yet the regular cars are selling well. From what I’m told my local opc will not take a GT car or 992 Turbo S in unless they buy it considerably lower than current trade values. Doesn’t shock me, they had to reduce their last 718 gt4 by close to 10k to shift it. If you regularly follow the market it’s the same cars being advertised, they don’t seem to be moving that well. Yet I hear new Porsches are still being delivered, regularly, I assume that’s the back log churn of old orders due to very poor delivery times by the porsche factory.

GT4RS said: JayK12 said: Yeah OPC are getting a bit tired of sitting on SOR GTs as owners aren't reducing them and interest has dropped dramatically, yet the regular cars are selling well. From what I’m told my local opc will not take a GT car or 992 Turbo S in unless they buy it considerably lower than current trade values. Doesn’t shock me, they had to reduce their last 718 gt4 by close to 10k to shift it. If you regularly follow the market it’s the same cars being advertised, they don’t seem to be moving that well. Yet I hear new Porsches are still being delivered, regularly, I assume that’s the back log churn of old orders due to very poor delivery times by the porsche factory. Yes been told the same from my local OPC. Happy sitting on my hands right now as this year I'll have no time but for next year I'll be looking at 981/718 GT4 most likely. So happy for prices to retreat a bit ha!

GT4RS said: From what I’m told my local opc will not take a GT car or 992 Turbo S in unless they buy it considerably lower than current trade values. Doesn’t shock me, they had to reduce their last 718 gt4 by close to 10k to shift it. If you regularly follow the market it’s the same cars being advertised, they don’t seem to be moving that well. Yet I hear new Porsches are still being delivered, regularly, I assume that’s the back log churn of old orders due to very poor delivery times by the porsche factory. 992 GT3 asking prices have been tumbling for the last year. Down £40k from £230k to £190k. There is even a hoard of gt3 touring cars for sale now. People are trying to bank the profit on these,but they don't seem to be selling. Will be interesting to see if spring turns the market or not.

911hope said: GT4RS said: From what I’m told my local opc will not take a GT car or 992 Turbo S in unless they buy it considerably lower than current trade values. Doesn’t shock me, they had to reduce their last 718 gt4 by close to 10k to shift it. If you regularly follow the market it’s the same cars being advertised, they don’t seem to be moving that well. Yet I hear new Porsches are still being delivered, regularly, I assume that’s the back log churn of old orders due to very poor delivery times by the porsche factory. 992 GT3 asking prices have been tumbling for the last year. Down £40k from £230k to £190k. There is even a hoard of gt3 touring cars for sale now. People are trying to bank the profit on these,but they don't seem to be selling. Will be interesting to see if spring turns the market or not. There not selling because of the greedy overs,the prices are daft and when things get back to normal if ever folk will lose there shirt,especially if they are the second owners who have already paid the premium. Why play the game with opc,if they dont give you a sensible part ex,sell it elsewhere,as long as you can get your new car which you should be able to do if contracted etc,and stuff them for the next new trinket and simply pay overs if you have to have it that bad. I have been offered two nearly new gt3 this week,sadly pdk and brave colours with overs that are truly laughable.

Yellow491 said: 911hope said: GT4RS said: From what I’m told my local opc will not take a GT car or 992 Turbo S in unless they buy it considerably lower than current trade values. Doesn’t shock me, they had to reduce their last 718 gt4 by close to 10k to shift it. If you regularly follow the market it’s the same cars being advertised, they don’t seem to be moving that well. Yet I hear new Porsches are still being delivered, regularly, I assume that’s the back log churn of old orders due to very poor delivery times by the porsche factory. 992 GT3 asking prices have been tumbling for the last year. Down £40k from £230k to £190k. There is even a hoard of gt3 touring cars for sale now. People are trying to bank the profit on these,but they don't seem to be selling. Will be interesting to see if spring turns the market or not. There not selling because of the greedy overs,the prices are daft and when things get back to normal if ever folk will lose there shirt,especially if they are the second owners who have already paid the premium. Why play the game with opc,if they dont give you a sensible part ex,sell it elsewhere,as long as you can get your new car which you should be able to do if contracted etc,and stuff them for the next new trinket and simply pay overs if you have to have it that bad. I have been offered two nearly new gt3 this week,sadly pdk and brave colours with overs that are truly laughable. Looking at the amount of 992 gt3 cars for sale and new one regularly coming to the market deals must be out there as sellers who are in it for the money are already panicking. Have you made any offers?

GT4RS said: Yellow491 said: 911hope said: GT4RS said: From what I’m told my local opc will not take a GT car or 992 Turbo S in unless they buy it considerably lower than current trade values. Doesn’t shock me, they had to reduce their last 718 gt4 by close to 10k to shift it. If you regularly follow the market it’s the same cars being advertised, they don’t seem to be moving that well. Yet I hear new Porsches are still being delivered, regularly, I assume that’s the back log churn of old orders due to very poor delivery times by the porsche factory. 992 GT3 asking prices have been tumbling for the last year. Down £40k from £230k to £190k. There is even a hoard of gt3 touring cars for sale now. People are trying to bank the profit on these,but they don't seem to be selling. Will be interesting to see if spring turns the market or not. There not selling because of the greedy overs,the prices are daft and when things get back to normal if ever folk will lose there shirt,especially if they are the second owners who have already paid the premium. Why play the game with opc,if they dont give you a sensible part ex,sell it elsewhere,as long as you can get your new car which you should be able to do if contracted etc,and stuff them for the next new trinket and simply pay overs if you have to have it that bad. I have been offered two nearly new gt3 this week,sadly pdk and brave colours with overs that are truly laughable. Looking at the amount of 992 gt3 cars for sale and new one regularly coming to the market deals must be out there as sellers who are in it for the money are already panicking. Have you made any offers? Absolutely bonkers overs being asked. The cars sit there for months. Tourings for £250 ++...mental. SOR owners in denial. The market sets the price, not some deluded flipper trying to max profit, or second owner desperate not to realize the cost of their impetuosity.

Robbo66 said: Absolutely bonkers overs being asked. The cars sit there for months. Tourings for £250 ++...mental. SOR owners in denial. The market sets the price, not some deluded flipper trying to max profit, or second owner desperate not to realize the cost of their impetuosity. Only 33 GT4 listed on Porsche approved site today. Although there are 78 on Autotrader. Summer and sport car season is coming and cars are selling. The talk of a down turn in the market seems not to be happening. And if this is the last year of production for the GT4 there could be more demand?

Thank you for the help and guidance from everyone so far. Does anyone know or have any history on this car? https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14533394

TDT said: Irony! … just received email from my suppling OPC offering to buy my GT4, lol. Sure… if you’ll allocate me a 4RS! me too and same answer!

Snowy999 said: TDT said: Irony! … just received email from my suppling OPC offering to buy my GT4, lol. Sure… if you’ll allocate me a 4RS! me too and same answer! Maybe they're playing a game of brinkmanship which neither of you are aware of. The secret to getting allocations of the 'specials' is to outplay them in mind games by utilising reverse psychology. Think of it as a game of mind Chess by pre-empting your opponent's next move. Another trick is to disguise your intelligence by being outwardly silly giving them the false sense they're smarter As Napolean Bonaparte once said and I quote "The best way to defeat your enemy is to first make him your friend''

Taffy66 said: Snowy999 said: TDT said: Irony! … just received email from my suppling OPC offering to buy my GT4, lol. Sure… if you’ll allocate me a 4RS! me too and same answer! Maybe they're playing a game of brinkmanship which neither of you are aware of. The secret to getting allocations of the 'specials' is to outplay them in mind games by utilising reverse psychology. Think of it as a game of mind Chess by pre-empting your opponent's next move. Another trick is to disguise your intelligence by being outwardly silly giving them the false sense they're smarter As Napolean Bonaparte once said and I quote "The best way to defeat your enemy is to first make him your friend'' I know what you’re saying and I’d like to believe that is the case… but I’m pretty sure it isn’t. That said… no harm in conversation!

ClubsportStr said: Robbo66 said: Absolutely bonkers overs being asked. The cars sit there for months. Tourings for £250 ++...mental. SOR owners in denial. The market sets the price, not some deluded flipper trying to max profit, or second owner desperate not to realize the cost of their impetuosity. Only 33 GT4 listed on Porsche approved site today. Although there are 78 on Autotrader. Summer and sport car season is coming and cars are selling. The talk of a down turn in the market seems not to be happening. And if this is the last year of production for the GT4 there could be more demand? Now only 62 on Autotrader and 30 on Porsche approved site, a lot sold in the last 10 days it would seem! Edited by ClubsportStr on Sunday 26th February 21:27

Would anybody order new when you cannot order with bucket seats and ?PDLS. So I would not be surprised if the used 718 GT4 with those options are selling well. Edited by LamedonM on Sunday 26th February 22:25

LamedonM said: Would anybody order new when you cannot order with bucket seats and ?PDLS. So I would not be surprised if the used 718 GT4 with those options are selling well. Edited by LamedonM on Sunday 26th February 22:25 They only things limited order on the configurator now are buckets and bose. Not many nearly new cars on the used market are at a good price all the cars selling seem to be 1 year old or older.

you cannot order Ceramics - Buckets or club sport - I have the last slot at my OPC - you can get PDLS

kf1 said: you cannot order Ceramics - Buckets or club sport - I have the last slot at my OPC - you can get PDLS Not being able to have buckets would be a deal breaker for me even though they are a nightmare to get in and out off!

I would be inclined to take the build slot irrespective of spec but try and get a guarantee it will be at the existing pre June price increase due to the spec compromises. Obviously it depends how flexible you are on this. One of the very last pure ICE GT4s will always sell and in future years possibly at a premium price simply because of this fact alone. Bear in mind along with many other manufacturers Lotus have just hiked post June 1st delivered 2023 Emira prices by a colossal 8% even on the I4 dct FE UK deliveries of which haven't even commenced and aren't due until 2024 by which time another price rise is likely.