anyone lowered C4S suspension

pictures if possible and results please?

I'd be interested as well.

Hey Fadz...I just remembered something I heard at a PCA meet yesterday. If I'm correct there is an X74 suspension option for C2's. A guy I know just had it done and we were discussing it. A third guy said there will be a similar package available for the C4S soon called X73. Might be an option? This X74 as I was told was 20mm lower than ROW 30 and quite a bit stiffer. * I believe I have all my code numbers etc. correct but I'm not 100% sure. Anybody clarify/correct me on this information?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by LanceK: <strong> * I believe I have all my code numbers etc. correct but I'm not 100% sure. Anybody clarify/correct me on this information?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Here you go: <a href="http://64.35.111.106/cpx_p96088.htm" target="_blank">X73 for C4S</a> . Here's an old post on this forum discussing this: <a href="http://forums.rennlist.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=003059#000003" target="_blank">Lowering the C4S</a> . If anyone has it on, a pic would be interesting.

My C4 was lowered 30mm by previous owner using Tech Art kit. Looks great - don't think it is especially hard. (Have driven it back to back with standard C2.)

Fadz, Tuesday I'm having my Euro M030 C4S suspension installed, along with a B&M short shifter. I'll be sure to post before and after pictures. It's my understanding that this suspension will lower the car 20mm in the front and 10mm in the rear. Has anyone else had this suspension installed?

Well FADZ your car is a ROW model so it already comes lower then US spec cars. If you want to go lower still, you could either go for PSS9, H&R coilovers or the X-73. I never tried the X73 nor so I know of anyone who installed it but I had rides in H&R and RUF's version of the PSS9 and both were great. Make sure u order swaybars for either as the handling will need adjusting. The car with H&R understeered alot and this wasn't corrected until H&R swaybars were instaled.

If one was to go with PSS9 on a C4-S is there a "specific" version needed? From what is posted here it seems like the C4-S has it's own unique suspension. Not as high or soft as a C2 but not as low and stiff as a Turbo. Does this sound accurate? If this is the case it should be broadcast to C4-S owners as up to this point I at least was completely confused on the subject of C4-S suspension. TIA

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by LanceK: <strong>If one was to go with PSS9 on a C4-S is there a "specific" version needed?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">There is a PSS-9 kit especially for the C4 and the C4S. The X73 for the TT and C4S is not available yet. They first said it would be released in Jan'03, then it was delayed to May'03. So far, no sign of the X73...

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by LanceK: [QB]This X74 as I was told was 20mm lower than ROW 30 and quite a bit stiffer. QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">The X74 will lower a US car 40mm in the front and 30mm in the rear. It's a bit firmer than the Euro M030 setup and comparable to the firmness of a H&R coilover kit.

My C4S is lowered with the RoW springs and shocks (purchased from Gert, there's nobody better for this stuff). It cleaned up the fender gaps nicely and got rid of the ridiculous "nose in the air" look it had stock. Its also still high enough that i dont tear up my chin spoiler too badly on driveways. At that price point I think its just about perfect for mostly street occasional track use (I track it maybe 3-4x times a year). One extra benefit is it allowed me to get one full degree neg. camber up front which really reduced low speed understeer and sharpened turn in. You will have some increased front tire wear but i think its a worthwhile tradeoff... BTW i also have the Techart short shift and love it, car should come stock like that... I'll try to post some pics later... Chris

A few pics here... <a href="http://www.chrisnorris.net" target="_blank">C4S Pics</a>

CjN, Your link is not working properly.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Redlinerobert: <strong>Fadz, Tuesday I'm having my Euro M030 C4S suspension installed, along with a B&M short shifter. I'll be sure to post before and after pictures. It's my understanding that this suspension will lower the car 20mm in the front and 10mm in the rear. Has anyone else had this suspension installed?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Great! then lets wait for the pictures of the beauty lowered, btw how does the short shifter look, i mean outlook picture please when installed? <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by 03-turbo911: <strong>Well FADZ your car is a ROW model so it already comes lower then US spec cars.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I will measure the gap over the front and the rear tyres and will post them, but need to know the size of the gap for the US spec C4S, anyone interested to do so? general comparison!

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Redlinerobert: <strong>CjN, Your link is not working properly.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">It works now, server must have gone down last night...

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Fadz: <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by 03-turbo911: <strong>Well FADZ your car is a ROW model so it already comes lower then US spec cars.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I will measure the gap over the front and the rear tyres and will post them, but need to know the size of the gap for the US spec C4S, anyone interested to do so? general comparison!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I have comparison pics with a UK C4S and mine. I'll also measure the gap when I get home. I'll post them all. Visually, I can't tell the diff. Part of the problem is that the specs are +/- 10mm for manufacturing variation. So, an ROW car can have +10, and a US car can have -10, and the US car in theory will be the same or lower.

front gap 30mm Gulf C4S <img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/frontgap.jpg" alt=" - " /> rear gap 40mm Gulf C4S <img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/reargap.jpg" alt=" - " />

OK. Here we go. Front is about 1 1/2", or 38 mm <img src="http://members.rennlist.com/palting/Porsche%20028s.JPG" alt=" - " /> Rear is 1 5/8", or 41 mm. <img src="http://members.rennlist.com/palting/Porsche%20031s.JPG" alt=" - " /> Front ground clearance is 5" or 127mm <img src="http://members.rennlist.com/palting/Porsche%20030s.JPG" alt=" - " /> You all judge. 8mm front, 1 mm rear diff.I vote for PSS9. Too bad X73 is not yet available.

Front ground clearance gulf is 145mm same position

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Palting: <strong> Part of the problem is that the specs are +/- 10mm for manufacturing variation. So, an ROW car can have +10, and a US car can have -10, and the US car in theory will be the same or lower.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I think I must have one of the +10mm ones then, because my car looks way too high in the front... <img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/IMG_0594.jpeg" alt=" - " />

Guys, I will post pictures tomorrow of before and after the install. If I understand correctly, the car will also "settle" a bit after a few days so it may go down even more. Whether or not the difference is perceptable I have no idea. Fadz, I'm not sure I understood your question about posting a picture of the installed B&M short shifter. There should be no difference in the outward appearance. Let me know if you meant something different. I feel like I'm getting a new car all over again!

Yes Robert, i meant the outward appearance,i thought there might be some difference in the outward look too. waiting your evo pictures, please mention the gap space in mm before and after if you have some time, thanks

Unfortunately I did not measure the gap this morning before I dropped the car off at the dealership. It won't be ready til tomorrow so I'll post pics asap.