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I think there was a test in Excellence or Pano or somewhere when a "street driver" tested them, the TipS gave better results, and when a trained or professional driver tested both the 6spd was the better of the 2.
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Derek Bell drove my car and nearly 20 other Porsches on a tightened course.
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I think there was a test in Excellence or Pano or somewhere when a "street driver" tested them, the TipS gave better results, and when a trained or professional driver tested both the 6spd was the better of the 2.
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Hi,
tricky question. Under perfect conditions, 6spd has the edge. In real life, tiptronic is supposed to be faster, because of the problems of handling the clutch at the start and shifting fast enough. Also, the clutch can't cope with many 0-60s in 5 sec.
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Uwe
sean,
we had a bit of discussion on the TT site on this: having owned 3 TT's of which 2 were tip, and the stick had an fvd brain giving 470HP, i could drive the stocks tips faster on the same roads, as you unsettle the car however slightly when you shift a stick. i'm a dedicated driver, but it takes rohrl to outperform with a stick.
I don't think it takes Rohl to outperform a stick. I am biased though as I have had professional training and beat many so called professional drivers with a much lesser car routinely on track and on street. I hear you though as most people who own Porsches don't know how to ring the most out of them
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by SPR:
<strong>what? tips never fast. SMG is what you're thinking of and not available yet
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">You are absolutely right. SMG would be faster than tiptronic. However, Porsche does not seem to like it much as even the new GT won't have it. I didn't quite get to the bottom of why they didn't put it in.
However, I was talking current tiptronic. As you can see from the data, the difference from 0-60 is only 0.2 sec, and that's less than what a *normal* driver loses because of non-perfect clutch handling at the start.
I had an interesting discussion about this when I was in Weissach last year. The current evidence is that an average driver is considerably faster with tiptronic. As you said, an expert driver will realise both faster lap times and faster straight line acceleration with stick.
Personally, I perfer stick because I find it a more satisfying driving experience. And that's what counts. :-)
Cheers
Uwe
I think there was a test in Excellence or Pano or somewhere when a "street driver" tested them, the TipS gave better results, and when a trained or professional driver tested both the 6spd was the better of the 2.
Oh, and BTW, does Porsche not use an "SMG" Trans because it's higher maintenance or what? It would seem like the thing for them to do if just for marketing benefits...
Yeah, a double-clutch sequential like the PDK Porsche pionnered and used in their mid 80's Group C race cars (962/956). Audi is the first to develop one for the street called DSG.
Supposedly the double-clutch sequential weighs like a regular sequential (Magneti-Mareli or SMG II) or manual transmissions, unlike the hydrolic torque converter automatic (Tip) which not only is slower shiftting and heavier than sequential but also bleeds torque in the gear shift. The difference with them all is that the double-clutch has barely no torque delivery interruption from engine to wheels in the shifting process because the next gear is already selected and clutched and is de-clutch simultaneously, therefore acceleration times should be even better than manual transmition or regular sequential.
On a personal note, even if Porsche offers the double-clutch and proves superior to any other transmission, I don't know if its worth loosing the driver involvement of manual shifting to me. I still have some time to think about it till the 997 comes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
I've had both (now a 6sp ttX50) The stick is faster on a standing start ONLY if you're willing to brutalize your clutch and slam the 1-2 shift. In daily traffic situations, the tip is actually quicker, particularly across an intersection.
In 1991 I was at Blackhawk Farms with my 90C2Tip. Derek Bell drove my car and nearly 20 other Porsches on a tightened course. Bell was quicker in the tip than the manual. A recent Pano article had the 6sp tt quicker by about 1.5 sec per lap at Road Atlanta, but that track never requires a downshift into first.
Overall, an expert is faster with the manual on a course without low-speed turns. A novice will be faster with the tip. The manual will always be more thrilling. AS
Current ttX50, 99Boxster tip, and a few vintage race cars
Previous 80SC, 90C2tip, 91C4(manual of course)
The double clutch SMG apparently has 1-3-5 and 2-4-6 on separate shafts for quicker shifts in the 0.09 second range, with VAG leading the development effort. Not gospel, just the buzz around VW/Audi dealers.
It's actually called DSG and is a development of Porsche's PDK gearbox from the 80's long distance racing sports car program.
Better than SMG, F1/Cambiacorsa, or Tip. hold your breath - it's worth it.
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