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looks like these have dropped in price ?.....this one looks real sensible money.....especially with that mileage http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1435794.htm

sambaman said: looks like these have dropped in price ?.....this one looks real sensible money.....especially with that mileage http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1435794.htm 993 Turbo with the 430ps engine, as opposed to a 993 Turbo S? Looks nice. Edited by PPPPPP on Thursday 14th January 17:45

Thats not an S... S spec maybe

Mike.C said: Thats not an S... S spec maybe +1

ahhhhhhh.... sorry guys my mistake...thought it sounded cheap for a 'S'......should have read more and took more notice...red calipers etc etc etc Edited by sambaman on Thursday 14th January 18:08

sambaman said: ahhhhhhh.... sorry guys my mistake...thought it sounded cheap for a 'S'......should have read more and took more notice...red calipers etc etc etc Edited by sambaman on Thursday 14th January 18:08 Yeah, but an easy mistake to make when they are trying to pass it of as an S in the text! That ad is a bit naughty really. Still, if they can sell that for that price then mine which is virtually identical bar the wing vents just jumped in value by about £15k!!!

Nothing at that shop, is, was or will ever be cheap !

R2FU said: ...they are trying to pass it of as an S in the text! That ad is a bit naughty really. the title alone is designed purely to mislead. thats really s t

very lovely but very expensive 993TT X50

PPPPPP said: sambaman said: looks like these have dropped in price ?.....this one looks real sensible money.....especially with that mileage http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1435794.htm 993 Turbo with the 430ps engine, as opposed to a 993 Turbo S? Looks nice. Si, senor. Real S had 450. Real cars had "Turbo S" etched into stainless steel door sills (image 3 shows a bit of rubber instead), and also had it stitched into rear seat backs. Real S had wheel paint that was a brighter silver than standard. On my screen, this car's wheels are dull and grey. Advert says 12 "S"s came to UK in RHD. The correct number, IINM, is 31.

hey flemke....gonna get you a anorak next xmas

flemke said: PPPPPP said: sambaman said: looks like these have dropped in price ?.....this one looks real sensible money.....especially with that mileage http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1435794.htm 993 Turbo with the 430ps engine, as opposed to a 993 Turbo S? Looks nice. Si, senor. Real S had 450. Real cars had "Turbo S" etched into stainless steel door sills (image 3 shows a bit of rubber instead), and also had it stitched into rear seat backs. Real S had wheel paint that was a brighter silver than standard. On my screen, this car's wheels are dull and grey. Advert says 12 "S"s came to UK in RHD. The correct number, IINM, is 31. My info says 23, but I stand to be corrected. Edited by turbo-ww on Thursday 14th January 21:28

Careful, if one reads properly the add, it clearly mentions it is not a 993turbo S quote: "Being an interim example between production of the standard turbo and the turbo S..." The only thing from the turboS are the S side vents. Yet they were an option: X79 in the Porsche catalog. The 430 bhp option they are referring to, is again the common X50 option from Porsche catalog, and was offered on all 993 turbo at the time (maybe not on the 95 cars though). X50 was upgraded to 450bhp and K24 turbos from 1997 (430bhp K16 for 1996). Very misleading ad, the car isn't anything more than a well spec 993 turbo. note: if you guys check mine out, it is pretty much the same one, it has absolutely everything from the turboS except for the X50 K24 turbos, yellow break calipers (which were only cosmetic, they didn't have carbon brakes at the time) and carbon interior. X50 430bhp incl. twin pipes exhausts X79 air inlets in rear panels Y75 aerokit II (front and rear spoilers) note note: the turbo S offered in the US only had the X50 430bhp package, nor had it the "lower" suspension. Edited by 911Thrasher on Thursday 14th January 21:39

That is a VERY naughty ad, personally i think it should be removed. Someone who isn't well clued up could quite easily be caught out by this. Why talk about the turbo s in the ad so extensively, it is very misleading (even quoting incorrect build numbers). This bit at the end "set to be nothing but an appreciating classic from this point forward." is a bold claim for a true "s" but to make it about an over priced turbo is very naughty and coming from a trader is very ill judged. Edited by welshnobby on Thursday 14th January 21:50

911Thrasher said: Careful, if one reads properly the add, it clearly mentions it is not a 993turbo S quote: "Being an interim example between production of the standard turbo and the turbo S..." The only thing from the turboS are the S side vents. Yet they were an option: X79 in the Porsche catalog. The 430 bhp option they are referring to, is again the common X50 option from Porsche catalog, and was offered on all 993 turbo at the time (maybe not on the 95 cars though). X50 was upgraded to 450bhp and K24 turbos from 1997 (430bhp K16 for 1996). Very misleading ad, the car isn't anything more than a well spec 993 turbo. note: if you guys check mine out, it is pretty much the same one, it has absolutely everything from the turboS except for the X50 K24 turbos, yellow break calipers (which were only cosmetic, they didn't have carbon brakes at the time) and carbon interior. X50 430bhp incl. twin pipes exhausts X79 air inlets in rear panels Y75 aerokit II (front and rear spoilers) note note: the turbo S offered in the US only had the X50 430bhp package, nor had it the "lower" suspension. Edited by 911Thrasher on Thursday 14th January 21:39 What option code is the 2cm of snow?

welshnobby said: That is a VERY naughty ad, personally i think it should be removed. Someone who isn't well clued up could quite easily be caught out by this. Why talk about the turbo s in the ad so extensively, it is very misleading (even quoting incorrect build numbers). This bit at the end "set to be nothing but an appreciating classic from this point forward." is a bold claim for a true "s" but to make it about an over priced turbo is very naughty and coming from a trader is very ill judged. Edited by welshnobby on Thursday 14th January 21:50 I think as specialised as it is anyone looking would be well clued up - Or at the very least have it inspected by someone who is. IMHO.

911Thrasher said: note note: the turbo S offered in the US only had the X50 430bhp package, nor had it the "lower" suspension. Note the "lower" suspension was in fact a "sport" kit which was developed by Weissach for the 993tt and was available as a retrofit and included virtually every suspension part including special arms with stiffer bushings as well as obvious things like shocks, anti roll bars, braces and even a weld on 964 part for the rear suspension turrets..... it was available from dealers in '97 for £8500 parts only.... The 993ttS was nothing special IMO FWIW, just chucking all the best bits of the 993tt for the run out model - they did it for the 996tt as well but the they really charged big bucks for the 993ttS, like £120K in 1998 !!! Edited by TB993tt on Friday 15th January 00:16

I do wish I could have landed a LHD one though. When I was looking for my turbo, I saw a black turbo S with ruffle leather, IMO: not the right spec, needs the hard back seats. If I could find a LHD w/ hard back seats, I would most probably do a P/X today. Oh well, if not...I'll upgrade my turbos to the K24 kit: still available from Porsche. Let's see in the spring

For some reason the LHD european cars command huge premiums. They have always been priced way above the UK cars. Not looked on mobile.de recently but that used to be the case. Thomas Schmitz has this one at 160k euro which is a lot of cash. http://www.germansportscars.net/DE/cars-for-sale/d...

Mike.C said: For some reason the LHD european cars command huge premiums. They have always been priced way above the UK cars. Not looked on mobile.de recently but that used to be the case. Thomas Schmitz has this one at 160k euro which is a lot of cash. http://www.germansportscars.net/DE/cars-for-sale/d... I agree they do command a huge premium on the continent (there are 2 for sale in France at the moment but both do not have the hard back seats, and the asking price is £110k and £130k). But always hoping to find one here, one never knows, with a bit of luck. . For that money I wouldn't bother w/ a RHD: there is a slight chance I end up moving to Geneva with all that's happening here in the UK...and the turboS is a keeper IMO. Actually mine is a keeper too (yet a RHD), unless I can source the ultimate one. for some reasons I have never seen any spec like mine on the continent, I think high spec is a UK thing, people spend a lot more here when buying their cars. But I agree, mine for instance would never never command that money, what a premium!

I was 90% close to buying that Asia RHD car that Tom hartlet had a few years back. Black with terracotta interior. It looked very special priced at £79k with 11k miles. The 10% missing to buy it was that it was imported from Asis so not full UK spec, didnt have a sunroof etc. Same as teh guards red TTS that is knocking abount in the UK. Shouldnt be a reason not to buy it I know. Spoke to someone recently who has a UK car with somthing like 1k - 2k miles on it and that could be brought for £150k. too much money unless we have hyper inflation, in which case buy everything.

Mike.C said: I was 90% close to buying that Asia RHD car that Tom hartlet had a few years back. Black with terracotta interior. It looked very special priced at £79k with 11k miles. The 10% missing to buy it was that it was imported from Asis so not full UK spec, didnt have a sunroof etc. Same as teh guards red TTS that is knocking abount in the UK. Shouldnt be a reason not to buy it I know. Spoke to someone recently who has a UK car with somthing like 1k - 2k miles on it and that could be brought for £150k. too much money unless we have hyper inflation, in which case buy everything. That 1-2K mile S, was it Silver? If so then probably the same bloke i spoke to about 4 years ago - only wanted £90K for it then. Obviously doesn't drive it much.

ACEparts_com said: Mike.C said: I was 90% close to buying that Asia RHD car that Tom hartlet had a few years back. Black with terracotta interior. It looked very special priced at £79k with 11k miles. The 10% missing to buy it was that it was imported from Asis so not full UK spec, didnt have a sunroof etc. Same as teh guards red TTS that is knocking abount in the UK. Shouldnt be a reason not to buy it I know. Spoke to someone recently who has a UK car with somthing like 1k - 2k miles on it and that could be brought for £150k. too much money unless we have hyper inflation, in which case buy everything. That 1-2K mile S, was it Silver? If so then probably the same bloke i spoke to about 4 years ago - only wanted £90K for it then. Obviously doesn't drive it much. I only heard of it via a dealer so prob some margin added on. Not sure on colour, stopped after hearing teh price

I know both cars mentioned. The silver turbo s has around 5,000 and is near on as perfect as it gets, the Ocean turbo car at DK I went to see a few years ago. Have been down there a few times and have never seen a car that matched the description.

That particular low mileage silver 993 Turbo S is an exceptional car, and was available 18 months back for £125k or thereabouts. What's ironic is that the owner had a nigh on identical factory built silver 993 Turbo to S spec beforehand, complete with yellow calipers - Special Wishes will do the calipers whatever colour you choose. As his son in law said when he bought it, you appear to have paid an extra £40k for an S badge!

911Thrasher said: Mike.C said: For some reason the LHD european cars command huge premiums. They have always been priced way above the UK cars. Not looked on mobile.de recently but that used to be the case. Thomas Schmitz has this one at 160k euro which is a lot of cash. http://www.germansportscars.net/DE/cars-for-sale/d... I agree they do command a huge premium on the continent (there are 2 for sale in France at the moment but both do not have the hard back seats, and the asking price is £110k and £130k). But always hoping to find one here, one never knows, with a bit of luck. . But seriously why are these air-cooled turbo's (S or not) "worth" so much more than the latest 997 Turbo. Plenty of 993 Turbo's were made, and it's nothing special to drive. Yes, I have driven one.

always some very nice, very expensive kit here... http://www.rpmsportscars.com/inven.htm

PPPPPP said: But seriously why are these air-cooled turbo's (S or not) "worth" so much more than the latest 997 Turbo. Plenty of 993 Turbo's were made, and it's nothing special to drive. Yes, I have driven one. what??? so many of them were built? did you see the number of 996 and 997 turbos built in comparaison? Anyways they are worth that much simply because people are happy to pay that much for them! And guess what - even all around the world? I know I would if I were to find the right one. Edited by 911Thrasher on Saturday 16th January 01:09

sambaman said: looks like these have dropped in price ?.....this one looks real sensible money.....especially with that mileage http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1435794.htm This 1 of 1 in pastel yellow (of 25 cars in the UK) has cropped up for sale https://www.ashgood.co.uk/vehicle-details/Porsche-...

Is it thread resurrection Friday, Julian? Either way you've found a couple of belters this morning

sambaman said: looks like these have dropped in price ?.....this one looks real sensible money.....especially with that mileage http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1435794.htm This one aint cheap!

Holy thread resurrection!

A car I really don’t understand the value of….yes it’s a rare but I just don’t get the values. A lot of other 911’s I’d rather own.

Cheib said: A car I really don’t understand the value of….yes it’s a rare but I just don’t get the values. A lot of other 911’s I’d rather own. Completely agree. Great car but don't get the hype

I like YouTube but NM unwatchable even when its a 911 I personally love. Easy enough to swap out the shocks for a modern set which would transform a 993 turbo s.

julian987R said: sambaman said: looks like these have dropped in price ?.....this one looks real sensible money.....especially with that mileage http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1435794.htm This one aint cheap! I wouldn't be expecting a response from 'Sambaman' any time soon, as he was found in prison with his throat slit after being sentenced for violent abuse to women.

turbo-ww said: flemke said: PPPPPP said: sambaman said: looks like these have dropped in price ?.....this one looks real sensible money.....especially with that mileage http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1435794.htm 993 Turbo with the 430ps engine, as opposed to a 993 Turbo S? Looks nice. Si, senor. Real S had 450. Real cars had "Turbo S" etched into stainless steel door sills (image 3 shows a bit of rubber instead), and also had it stitched into rear seat backs. Real S had wheel paint that was a brighter silver than standard. On my screen, this car's wheels are dull and grey. Advert says 12 "S"s came to UK in RHD. The correct number, IINM, is 31. My info says 23, but I stand to be corrected. Edited by turbo-ww on Thursday 14th January 21:28 Faced with identifying a real 993 Turbo S back in 2002 I wrote to Andy Goss then MD and got a reply which stated there were 36 UK supplied cars, a list with chassis and engine number combinations was attached to help with identification. The information supplied didn't specify whether any / how many of the 36 were LHD as opposed to RHD.

First Sea Lord said: Completely agree. Great car but don't get the hype You may know this but, ironically given the madly hyped prices in the US currently, the Euro version of the 993 turbo S was quite a special car relatively for Porsche models of that era. The Euro version had a full suspension package which was a mixture of GT2 and Carrera RS parts and included virtually all susupension parts and made the S drive quite differently from the stock 993 turbo. The Euro version uniquely had the 450ps K24 engine upgrade which again is a very rare thing and gave the 993 a rampant top end. The US version was really just the body kit and quad tail pipes.

IMI A said: I like YouTube but NM unwatchable even when its a 911 I personally love. Easy enough to swap out the shocks for a modern set which would transform a 993 turbo s. this

TB993tt said: First Sea Lord said: Completely agree. Great car but don't get the hype You may know this but, ironically given the madly hyped prices in the US currently, the Euro version of the 993 turbo S was quite a special car relatively for Porsche models of that era. The Euro version had a full suspension package which was a mixture of GT2 and Carrera RS parts and included virtually all susupension parts and made the S drive quite differently from the stock 993 turbo. The Euro version uniquely had the 450ps K24 engine upgrade which again is a very rare thing and gave the 993 a rampant top end. The US version was really just the body kit and quad tail pipes. Interesting didn’t know that. The issue for me with the is that they’re at values now that mean you can’t drive them regularly unless you don’t care about the financial consequences. The USP of a 4wd 911 Turbo is that it’s the ultimate “any weather” daily….these have never really been that car even when new….I think there are other collectible 911’s that I’d rather own as a fun car to drive which are RWD with a naturally aspirated engine.