Swap 981 Spyder slot for GT4 slot... - Page 2 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

Hypothetically, would any of those people with a guaranteed slot for a GT4 swap it for a guaranteed slot for a 981 Spyder?

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I had deposits for both in a ton of dealerships. When I got my GT4 allocation, I pulled all my other deposits, including the Spyder ones.

I certainly would not and would think it unlikely that others would. No harm in asking though.

Most Spyder slots seem to be failed GT4 orders so I doubt it.

Thanks - to be clear, I wouldn't swap the other way (from Spyder to GT4 as I don't like coupes.. Just seeing what the general opinion was...

2010spy said: Is that correct. They are very different cars, are they not? Spyders most critically do not have the GT4 suspension/subframes (which are GT3/911 Cup up front, GT3-derived out back), nor GT3 brakes (Spyders have Carrera S brakes). Spyders are simply an evolution of the "Sport Chassis"/X73 Sport Suspension available as an option on all Boxsters and Caymans. Aero is different as well, so it should produce less downforce at speed. Also different wheels and normal tires on the Spyder, instead of Pilot Sport Cup 2s.

Goofnik said: Spyders most critically do not have the GT4 suspension/subframes (which are GT3/911 Cup up front, GT3-derived out back), nor GT3 brakes (Spyders have Carrera S brakes). Spyders are simply an evolution of the "Sport Chassis"/X73 Sport Suspension available as an option on all Boxsters and Caymans. Aero is different as well, so it should produce less downforce at speed. Also different wheels and normal tires on the Spyder, instead of Pilot Sport Cup 2s. In other words it's a posers car

A GTS with a 3.8 in it.

I'd thought hard about changing, being a soft top person. I've decided to stick with the gt4- it having the more bespoke engineering. Here's hoping it can cope with British B roads, that's my biggest concern. Though I do wonder how the boxster copes from a rigidity point of view with x73 on our back roads.

If the Spyder is the sum total of a Boxster GTS + 45 HP - a little bit of weight, then I'd expect it to be a brilliant road car. The last Spyder wasn't a full on Motorsports developed car either, but it was a damn good car to drive. I loved mine. I quite frankly couldn't care about the lack of downforce, or adjusting the suspension and doubt it'll make any difference on a good A or B road. Each to their own, but my opinion is that those who've secured a GT4 or a Spyder are very lucky folk indeed.

Also..isn't the Spyder being built in smaller numbers, and therefore likely to be much rarer than the GT4? lights fuse, stands back

Also..isn't the Spyder being built in smaller numbers, and therefore likely to be much rarer than the GT4? lights fuse, stands back

Beaver said: Also..isn't the Spyder being built in smaller numbers, and therefore likely to be much rarer than the GT4? lights fuse, stands back Very true. Only 1 to 2 Spyders per UK OPC and a lot rarer than the GT4. A niche car for sure. Whilst being nowhere close to the brilliance of the GT3, the GT4 will clearly be the better track car compared to the Spyder, but in the real world on UK driving roads there is likely to be little in it.....

av185 said: Very true. Only 1 to 2 Spyders per UK OPC and a lot rarer than the GT4. A niche car for sure. Whilst being nowhere close to the brilliance of the GT3 , the GT4 will clearly be the better track car compared to the Spyder, but in the real world on UK driving roads there is likely to be little in it.....

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PorscheGT4 said: A GTS with a 3.8 in it. That sounds pretty good then, for me at least.

PorscheGT4 said: A GTS with a 3.8 in it. Similar to the GT4 then.........

av185 said: Similar to the GT4 then......... not really no, the GT4 has all the bits off your car bar the lazy shift. same sus set up, same amount of down force and a lap time faster if it had pdk-s even though it is 65bhp down :-)

PorscheGT4 said: av185 said: Similar to the GT4 then......... not really no, the GT4 has all the bits off your car bar the lazy shift. same sus set up, same amount of down force and a lap time faster if it had pdk-s even though it is 65bhp down :-) All the bits off the GT3? Hardly. GT4 has the GT3 brakes and FRONT suspension. That's all. No more. Boggo 3.8 Carrera engine like the Spyder. As you know the Spyder has the Carrera brakes, no cost sports suspension, steering same as GT4, no cost buckets etc etc. Hardly a GTS.

PorscheGT4 said: av185 said: Similar to the GT4 then......... not really no, the GT4 has all the bits off your car bar the lazy shift. same sus set up, same amount of down force and a lap time faster if it had pdk-s even though it is 65bhp down :-) And the GT4 can have the GT3 PCCBs for £1250 less!!!

The GT4 looks like a good car, it's just a shame there's going to be so many of them knocking about...

av185 said: All the bits off the GT3? Hardly. GT4 has the GT3 brakes and FRONT suspension. That's all. No more. Boggo 3.8 Carrera engine like the Spyder. . O yes I forgot it had a few better bits than the gt3 lol, better steering, the 918 style seats and the new sexy smaller steering wheel and mores the point an engine in the right place like the ring record 918. Silly me for forgetting :-p

PorscheGT4 said: O yes I forgot it had a few better bits than the gt3 lol, better steering, the 918 style seats and the new sexy smaller steering wheel and mores the point an engine in the right place like the ring record 918. Silly me for forgetting :-p What happened to all that "bespoke bodywork" Spyder is the best thing in the world chat Demon? Now you aren't getting one its not such a s t hot concept? Old habits die hard it seems.

Not really, I think the 981 Spyder sits a bit in no mans land now. The GT4 is more hard core and has all the trick parts. And the 987.2 Spyder is lighter, has hydraulic steering and is quite a raw toy, very driver focused. the 981 seems to have all the worse bits from the old car and adds the worse bit from a 981 and now the worse bits from a 991 and no trick GT3 bits. the roof is still noddy esp now you cannot even open the boot with the roof on, it has electric steering, electric hand brake, I guess over servo brakes, sub 20 mpg, and a high tax band, more weight, less sexy lines, 85 mph 2nd gear, no 918 seats and a fat arse :-) the old car was like driving a hi power Elise hence why I love mine, I still own it and it has circa 300bhp/ton and adjustable sus now, it's awesome. imo the 981 SPyder should have been a tech fest with electric R8 style roof and PDK-s to make it a fun road car, but in a different way to the 987.2 is it will never be raw like the old car. If it had full electric roof and pdk-s I would have been all over it as a daily, as it stands I would rather find a nice £60k 2nd hand R8 manual Cab or spend £25k less on a 987.2 Spyder. when I say 987.2 raw I am not talking Caterham, Elise, 996 RS etc, but as raw as I want to go these days at 45 years old but still 100% fun. any way that's just my view on it, some say the daft roof still makes the 981 raw and people will avoid it for a normal GTS, some have said this.

Well well well.........a final admission from Mr D PDK S makes a car fun!! We rest our cases!!! Interesting that you mock the Spyder for its electric steering electric handbrake and tallish gear ratios.......same as the GT4. I have always found the 991 Carrera brakes to be excellent incidentally. You also state it is heavier than the 987.....correct..... but the 981 Spyder is still lighter than the GT4 and consequently economy will probably be better.

PorscheGT4 said: Not really, I think the 981 Spyder sits a bit in no mans land now. The GT4 is more hard core and has all the trick parts. Bit like a Cayman R vs 987 Spyder? Although they are both 99% boxsters/caymans with no trick parts. PorscheGT4 said: And the 987.2 Spyder is lighter, has hydraulic steering and is quite a raw toy, very driver focused. Especially most of them with all the heavy bits added back in, radio/AC/no bucket seats/no spyder wheels/PDK lol. PorscheGT4 said: the 981 seems to have all the worse bits from the old car and adds the worse bit from a 981 and now the worse bits from a 991 and no trick GT3 bits. I seem to remember everyone saying the 987 is crying out for more power? Give the people what they want and they start picking on other things. It has a 3.8l engine from the 911 now, that is epic! I happen to think the 981 also looks a million times better than the awkward looking 987. All guises. PorscheGT4 said: the roof is still noddy esp now you cannot even open the boot with the roof on, it has electric steering, electric hand brake, I guess over servo brakes, sub 20 mpg, and a high tax band, more weight, less sexy lines, 85 mph 2nd gear, no 918 seats and a fat arse :-) And the GT4 has.....? Same except some suspension components and larger brakes (more weight) which make no difference in the real world, where you do most of your driving as you keep telling us. How will that more compromised long geared stiff GT4 be on your fav B roads? PorscheGT4 said: the old car was like driving a hi power Elise hence why I love mine, I still own it and it has circa 300bhp/ton and adjustable sus now, it's awesome. imo the 981 SPyder should have been a tech fest with electric R8 style roof and PDK-s to make it a fun road car, but in a different way to the 987.2 is it will never be raw like the old car. You're right, its not like the old car, it will be a lot faster and looks much better. I'm sure it will be awesome to drive. PorscheGT4 said: If it had full electric roof and pdk-s I would have been all over it as a daily, as it stands I would rather find a nice £60k 2nd hand R8 manual Cab or spend £25k less on a 987.2 Spyder. when I say 987.2 raw I am not talking Caterham, Elise, 996 RS etc, but as raw as I want to go these days at 45 years old but still 100% fun. any way that's just my view on it, some say the daft roof still makes the 981 raw and people will avoid it for a normal GTS, some have said this. What's the plan with your 987s then, are you selling the R when the GT4 comes? Or going to play it by ear?

av185 said: Well well well.........a final admission from Mr D PDK S makes a car fun!! We rest our cases!!! Interesting that you mock the Spyder for its electric steering electric handbrake and tallish gear ratios.......same as the GT4. I have always found the 991 Carrera brakes to be excellent incidentally. You also state it is heavier than the 987.....correct..... but the 981 Spyder is still lighter than the GT4 and consequently economy will probably be better. the weights of the Spyder and GT4 are just good marketing depends if you spec AC and radio and what seats you spec. in the real worl they are the same weight both a lot more than the 987.2 Spyder . and Porsche figures seem to state a sub 20mpg figure which is s t. I did not say PDK-s was fun, I said the 981 should have taken another direction as it will NOT be as fun to drive as the old car,so make it a tech fest with trick electric roof and PDK-S to set it apart from the old car. I'll prob sell my GT4 on, it's was a no risk buy so I managed to secure one, I have massive reservations on the GT4 although I think it will be more fun than a 991 GT3.

PorscheGT4 said: I did not say PDK-s was fun, I said the 981 should have taken another direction as it will NOT be as fun to drive as the old car,so make it a tech fest with trick electric roof and PDK-S to set it apart from the old car. Giving up "driving" then? Your oft expressed view was that pdk was only for people who couldn't drive. Have you been to Damascus recently? Pdk-s is, I'm prepared to accept an (small) improvement over 981s pdk, but it doesn't change your fundamental arguments against automatics in the slightest. If you are inclined to make a change in direction why have you been castigating those who made a similar change sooner?

bcr5784 said: Giving up "driving" then? Your oft expressed view was that pdk was only for people who couldn't drive. Have you been to Damascus recently? Pdk-s is, I'm prepared to accept an (small) improvement over 981s pdk, but it doesn't change your fundamental arguments against automatics in the slightest. If you are inclined to make a change in direction why have you been castigating those who made a similar change sooner? no idea what your point is, I don't own or have any PDK cars on order. all my cars are manual, and the only car I have on order is a manual GT4 I have made NO change in direction. ! read my posts to what imo the 981 should have been, that does not alter my view on PDK or PDK-s

PorscheGT4 said: no idea what your point is, I don't own or have any PDK cars on order. all my cars are manual, and the only car I have on order is a manual GT4 I have made NO change in direction. ! read my posts to what imo the 981 should have been, that does not alter my view on PDK or PDK-s "If it had full electric roof and pdk-s I would have been all over it as a daily" is what you said. And "If you are inclined to make a change in direction why have you been castigating those who made a similar change sooner?" is what I said. Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 23 April 13:39

bcr5784 said: "If it had full electric roof and pdk-s I would have been all over it as a daily" is what you said. And "If you are inclined to make a change in direction why have you been castigating those who made a similar change sooner?" is what I said. key word there is as a "daily", I run a fiesta ST as my daily when not using my R atm IE a car I have to go shops and work in most times. having a daily is NOT a fun car or a track car or a drivers car , it's transport. I might buy a R8 V10 plus as a daily, it's still not a car I would use for fun or track days. we can own nice cars as well as fun cars you know !! and to that point if the 981 Spyder had electric roof and PDK-S it would be a nice car. not hard to grasp :-)

Mmm.......still totally unconvinced by this bizarre and contradictory reasoning........ You said: "The 981 Spyder should have been a tech fest......with PDK S TO MAKE IT A FUN ROAD CAR........and I (Mr D) would have been all over it. I have MASSIVE ISSUES WITH THE GT4 although I think it will be more fun than a 991 GT3......." Ah yes....the 991 GT3.....that sublime and hardcore TECH FEST car with PDK S !!!!!!!!!!!!

just you lot trying your hardest to pick a hole/bun fight some where, as I used "fun" in a line where PDK was also ! switch out fun to "more usable " but it would still be fun, just not as much fun !!! get over it :-) you can put your auto's up your arses ;-p Edited by PorscheGT4 on Thursday 23 April 15:59

Nearly every single time I go on this forum there is always someone dictating their own version of the English language, a complete lack of reality and quite frankly some of biggest load of complete s te I've ever come across. Take a new Spyder 981 with PCCB's and a GT4 with PCCB's with the same tyres round a circuit and see what the difference is. To most it will be f k all. The laptimes are frankly irrelevant unless of course someone is going to bet some serious money, and then it will come down to the driver. So please wind in your egos, the Spyder for me is a nice quick sports car for a sunny day, it represents superb value, looks better to me at least than the 987, and I dont gives two s ts about the electric steering or whatever else is in the bloody car, as long as I can turn the traction off I'm happy. If you want to go faster simply buy something else!

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PorscheGT4 said: Not really, I think the 981 Spyder sits a bit in no mans land now (faster and newer than the old 987 Spyder, but slower than the hardtop Cayman GT4) . The GT4 is more hard core and has all the trick parts, (as it's more track focused. I have one on order so need to talk it up before flipping it). And the 987.2 Spyder is lighter, has hydraulic steering and is quite a raw toy, very driver focused, I'm keeping my 987 Spyder so must talk it up . T t he 981 seems to have all the worse bits from the old car (now I'm saying the 987.2 Spyder has bad bits) and adds the worse bit from a 981 and now the worse bits the more powerful Carrera S engine from a 991 that everyone wanted fitting to the Boxster/Cayman platform and no trick GT3 bits (because it's primarily a fun road car) . T t he roof is still noddy (talking my 987.2 Spyder down again) esp now you cannot even open the boot with the roof on, it has electric steering, electric hand brake, I guess (because I have never driven it, so don't actually know) over servo brakes, sub 20 mpg, and a high tax band, more weight, less sexy lines [b](although more people prefer the basic 981 to the 987) , 85 mph 2nd gear, no 918 seats and a fat arse :-) the old car was like driving a hi power Elise hence why I love mine, I still own it and it has circa 300bhp/ton and adjustable sus now, it's awesome (but I've had to modify it to make it awesome and I'm afraid the new 981 Spyder might be better out of the box, with no need for modifications) . imo the 981 SPyder should have been a tech fest with electric R8 style roof and PDK-s (note sure why I said that as I always state I hate PDK) to make it a fun road car, but in a different way to the 987.2 is it will never be raw like the old car. If it had full electric roof and pdk-s I would have been all over it as a daily (unlikely as I'd have had to sell my Cayman R which is untouchable , as it stands I would rather find a nice £60k 2nd hand R8 manual Cab or spend £25k less on a 987.2 Spyder (must keep promoting the 987 Spyder - £25k off £65k is err £40k, and £25k off £70k is err £45k...don't I keep saying they're worth £50k) . when I say 987.2 raw (better add this in incase people suggest just getting a proper raw car like a Caterham) I am not talking Caterham, Elise, 996 RS etc, but as raw as I want to go these days at 45 years old but still 100% fun. any way that's just my view on it, some say the daft roof still makes the 981 raw (must stop putting the 987 Spyder roof down, the 981 Spyder roof operation looks much better - otherwise my 987 Spyder will be worthless when I want to sell it) and people will avoid it for a normal GTS (actually they won't because they can't buy a Spyder , some have said this (and some haven't) . EFA

PorscheGT4 said: ...you cannot even open the boot with the roof on Doesn't look that hard, you just unclip the hood buttresses. The 981 Spyder looks fantastic in this video .

g7jhp said: Doesn't look that hard, you just unclip the hood buttresses. The 981 Spyder looks fantastic in this video . Did not say it was hard ! But try getting your misses to do that in the rain to get her bags out at that nice hotel in the dark !

PorscheGT4 said: Did not say it was hard ! But try getting your misses to do that in the rain to get her bags out at that nice hotel in the dark ! I wouldn't send her!