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What do we think? Will there be any or is it just hype?

On the GT4 ... yes. The magazine hype has already started about how good the car is and "if" there is limited production then people will have to pay a premium to get a car. Just like the 991 GT3. Spyder ....... I`m not so sure about as its a bit more normal . As in ... no special ( GT3 ) bits.

Depends on how many 981 GT4's & Spyders are being bought by speculators and hit the market when available. A glut of cars will undermine buyers confidence in future values and undermine any premiums.

Interesting. Both cars typically underpriced and limited run.....GT4 c 150, Spyder c 80. Whilst GT4 more track orientated Spyder far more niche with £2k buckets as standard unlike GT4, both cars likely similar pace on A and B roads, and both usable on daily basis. Preuninger recently stated, probably accurately, that all near future GT cars will remain normally aspirated so whilst the GT4 will retain na the next Spyder will probably morph into a turbo which could well make this 981 the last of a line and as such highly desirable. I predict a £25k premium on the GT4 and £20k on the Spyder.

This is assuming that in the next 12months the GT4 RS and or a hotter boxster with GT parts doesn't get announced. To me seems highly likely that a GT4 RS is coming with PDK - S. I know some OPCs have even hinted at a PDK version coming in 2017

av185 said: Interesting. I predict a £25k premium on the GT4 and £20k on the Spyder. Spot the future owners starting to dream and talk up prices! I can't see anyone paying a £20k premium on a £60k (base) Spyder or £25k premium on a £65k (base) GT4.

Does it matter? They'll be great cars and will hopefully minimise depreciation - that's all anyone can ask. Looking forward to mine.

g7jhp said: av185 said: Interesting. I predict a £25k premium on the GT4 and £20k on the Spyder. Spot the future owners starting to dream and talk up prices! I can't see anyone paying a £20k premium on a £60k (base) Spyder or £25k premium on a £65k (base) GT4. Don't need to talk any prices up......as if this could be influenced by a few randomers on the internet.... : Fact is both cars are severel.y limited supply and most OPCs had up to 40 letters of intent and deposits for each. People were similarly slow to react to the 991 GT3 in 2013 which was grossly underpriced and massively oversubscribed resulting in the current £50k premium and there were c200 cars for the UK. Incidentally the chances of a GT4 PDK are slim (and I want one!)....a GT4 RS even less likely. Furthermore, even if these were produced, the values of the more cooking models would be little affected again due to limited production similar to the 991 GT3 RS.........

m33ufo said: Does it matter? They'll be great cars and will hopefully minimise depreciation - that's all anyone can ask. Looking forward to mine. Amen to this

Its a 'limited' supply for the uk, you can or could still get lhd allocation if you desired. So yes its underpriced for uk, it could be overpriced on the continent

av185 said: Interesting. Both cars typically underpriced and limited run.....GT4 c 150, Spyder c 80. Whilst GT4 more track orientated Spyder far more niche with £2k buckets as standard unlike GT4, both cars likely similar pace on A and B roads, and both usable on daily basis. Preuninger recently stated, probably accurately, that all near future GT cars will remain normally aspirated so whilst the GT4 will retain na the next Spyder will probably morph into a turbo which could well make this 981 the last of a line and as such highly desirable. I predict a £25k premium on the GT4 and £20k on the Spyder. Good post, just not sure about the numbers - I think the UK will be allocated more cars (as was the case with the 991GT3 you quoted) £100k for GT4? I'd prefer a LHD 991 GT3 or a rHD 7.2 GT3. Stiff competition at that level.

I would not be surprised if the current spyder in say10 years could be as much as a 981 spyder if not more! But i am not sure if the 981 spyder will carry a £20k premium in the near future!

With only 4 UK 2014 Boxster GTS available at £70k the Spyders premium is a forgone conclusion.......watch this space!

Hmmm. I paid no where near £70k for a very lightly used 2014 Boxster GTS from my local OPC very recently. I'm a Spyder customer and expect them to hold their value for a while. However I'll be surprised if they command a premium for anything other than a fleeting moment after the first ones hit the road. GT4 may be a different situation.

av185 said: With only 4 UK 2014 Boxster GTS available at £70k the Spyders premium is a forgone conclusion.......watch this space! but they are still building GTS cars for another year or so. The steering kills the 981 range for me to move my older cars for one , and many people think the same. I guess PDK lovers who only have to drive half the car don't mind the steering also being taken away from them ;-)

Surprised at the comments regarding the 987 Spyder being worth more in a few years than a 981 Spyder, long before any road test reports have been published. Having had 3 years with a 987 Spyder then switching to a 981 S, I can tell you that I've no intention of giving someone my New Spyder when it arrives plus cash to get back into a 987 version. I'm not bothered if there's a premium either, as it's the Boxster with a proper 911 engine that I've always wanted and I'll be keeping it.

PorscheGT4 said: av185 said: With only 4 UK 2014 Boxster GTS available at £70k the Spyders premium is a forgone conclusion.......watch this space! but they are still building GTS cars for another year or so. The steering kills the 981 range for me to move my older cars for one , and many people think the same. I guess PDK lovers who only have to drive half the car don't mind the steering also being taken away from them ;-) That's the whole point.......far greater supply of GTS available at OPCs at a mind boggling albeit asking price of £70k for 1 yr old....although clearly deals can be done. Lol what you say about the steering......I can guarantee the Spyder and GT4 steering will be identical despite the latters GT3 front bits. So you won t like the GT4 one bit then!!!? Porsche have improved their electric steering on these later models e, g the 991 GTS is substantially better than the earlier 991 Carrera S setup although clearly still not quite up there with the 997 hydraulic system for ultimate feel. Another lol re the PDK......and theres you craving a 458 Italia I.e. auto the box of ehich is widely regarded not just by me as being inferior to the GT3s PDK S..........

ituned said: Surprised at the comments regarding the 987 Spyder being worth more in a few years than a 981 Spyder, long before any road test reports have been published. Having had 3 years with a 987 Spyder then switching to a 981 S, I can tell you that I've no intention of giving someone my New Spyder when it arrives plus cash to get back into a 987 version. I'm not bothered if there's a premium either, as it's the Boxster with a proper 911 engine that I've always wanted and I'll be keeping it. Good to hear!

Why so many individual Spyder threads? Who's getting 981 Spyder? Premium on GT4/Spyder Swap 981 Spyder slot for GT4 slot Why not keep it all in one place, like the Boxster Spyder thread?

Just how many dealers on PH...

As someone lucky enough to be getting a GT4 I have read the articles, watched the videos, and contributed to the blogs It is always stated this is a £65,000 car where as in fact I suspect 95% of owners will be paying between £73,000 and £80,000. To obtain a premium of £25,000 they would need to sell between £98,000 and £105,000 ! Can't see it myself but then I am buying mine to drive.

A well specced Spyder coming in at £63k so quite a bit cheaper.

£66k is well specced

£71k if you don't want brake dust

I've still got brake dust at £71k

ituned said: it's the Boxster with a proper 911 engine that I've always wanted and I'll be keeping it. but the 987.2 has a proper 911 engine!3.4 or 3.8 they are the same DNA

I am lucky enough to be getting a 981 spyder but as time goes by I am questioning wether it is going to be better or worth the change from my 987.2 spyder the only draw is the bigger engine but after driving my car yesterday I don't think that is enough as my car on the public highway is quick enough for any one and I am considering dropping my allocation although I could perhaps make a premium but I would much rather my allocation goes to some one who really wants one! At the end of the day it's going to be a great car ,faster yes but better than what I have is questionable !

Well given the choice wouldn't you prefer the 3.8 to the 3.4? Guess that's one of the reasons that the Spyder is so over subscribed this time around. They couldn't give them away the last time, which meant I grabbed a bargain and had 3 years of fun for a very reasonable whole life cost.

itsybitsy said: I am lucky enough to be getting a 981 spyder but as time goes by I am questioning wether it is going to be better or worth the change from my 987.2 spyder the only draw is the bigger engine but after driving my car yesterday I don't think that is enough as my car on the public highway is quick enough for any one and I am considering dropping my allocation although I could perhaps make a premium but I would much rather my allocation goes to some one who really wants one! At the end of the day it's going to be a great car ,faster yes but better than what I have is questionable ! I love morales like this, rather than people who solely buy the latest GT toy just to sell on. Think it's really sad when that happens. Although it does make me smile when I here 911 fan boys are converting away from there icon.

itsybitsy said: I am lucky enough to be getting a 981 spyder but as time goes by I am questioning wether it is going to be better or worth the change from my 987.2 spyder the only draw is the bigger engine but after driving my car yesterday I don't think that is enough as my car on the public highway is quick enough for any one and I am considering dropping my allocation although I could perhaps make a premium but I would much rather my allocation goes to some one who really wants one! At the end of the day it's going to be a great car ,faster yes but better than what I have is questionable ! I'm sure you're right that the 3.4 is more than quick enough for most (including me) on a public road. I chose a 3.4 over a 2.7 because of the gearing - the bigger engine makes for more relaxed progress when you aren't "on it" - and that's with pdk. The same argument applies to the 3.8 vs the 3.4 with the (even higher geared) manual, and I suspect I'm not alone in that inclination.

itsybitsy said: I am lucky enough to be getting a 981 spyder but as time goes by I am questioning wether it is going to be better or worth the change from my 987.2 spyder the only draw is the bigger engine but after driving my car yesterday I don't think that is enough as my car on the public highway is quick enough for any one and I am considering dropping my allocation although I could perhaps make a premium but I would much rather my allocation goes to some one who really wants one! At the end of the day it's going to be a great car ,faster yes but better than what I have is questionable ! Exactly why i dropped my LOI for the new Spyder and yesterday confirmed this in my mind when i took my 987 Spyder for an all day blast around the peaks!

itsybitsy said: I am lucky enough to be getting a 981 spyder but as time goes by I am questioning wether it is going to be better or worth the change from my 987.2 spyder the only draw is the bigger engine but after driving my car yesterday I don't think that is enough as my car on the public highway is quick enough for any one and I am considering dropping my allocation although I could perhaps make a premium but I would much rather my allocation goes to some one who really wants one! At the end of the day it's going to be a great car ,faster yes but better than what I have is questionable ! lol you sound like me now :-) any one who wants to pay a premium will really want one I guess, if you just drop your allocation it might go to a flipper anyway. if you are just buying it for the engine, I would keep the 987.2 car £20k to change ! for what a car that is 0.3 seconds faster to a 60 you can gain that back and more with a manifold change to yours. better is def questionable, some things will be worse, some things less raw, the car looks more usable and more GTS like. (if you want more usable than the new car is better, only you know these things) can you not keep both for a month then decide what to keep or sell. money is cheap to borrow. Edited by PorscheGT4 on Monday 27th April 08:38

I doubt there would be any premium on a spyder as it is such a small market. My OPC only had two deposits and got two cars, they didn't even push Porsche GB for another car as there wasn't a buyer. Whereas they stopped taking deposits for the GT4 at about 15 (with about 20 more LOIs) and got 6 cars. I think a premium on the GT4 will be 15k.

itsybitsy said: ... after driving my car yesterday I don't think that is enough as my car on the public highway is quick enough for any one... ! You did better than me, washed the car yesterday after taking it out of the winter slumber and then immedialtely put it back into the garage again Typical Scotland when hail/snow ruins your Spyder fun, no wonder its got low miles !!!

2010spy said: A well specced Spyder coming in at £63k so quite a bit cheaper. £68k to spec it the same as I have my Gt4 (NO PCCB) ! plus on the road costs and show room tax etc. £63k is NOT a well speced Spyder.

2010spy said: A well specced Spyder coming in at £63k so quite a bit cheaper. that is a mere £2500 worth of options ..

Although the Spyder does have bucket seats as standard.

m33ufo said: Although the Spyder does have bucket seats as standard. But not the 918 seats.

m33ufo said: Although the Spyder does have bucket seats as standard. But not the 918 seats.

No, but it's a couple of thousand you don't have to spec. A no-cost option as the old Spyder. I wouldn't be specifying 918 buckets if these were available as a no-cost option on the GT4.

Why not? Right paint, leather interior. What else do you need? When I say well specced, I don't mean heavily specced. PorscheGT4 said: £63k is NOT a well speced Spyder. Edited by 2010spy on Monday 27th April 20:20

2010spy said: Edited by 2010spy on Monday 27th April 20:20 What you need is what you need. What I need is different and therefore my spec is £76K, PCCbs, carbon trim, PCM, et. Etc. The weight added? Big deal, un sprung weight, yes please. whats a good spec? I don't know!

For clarity, I wasn't referring to the weight of the car when I said heavily specced (that's not an issue for me). I suspect I'm about 30 kilos heavier that most people buying a Spyder

Power, torque and performance will all be streets ahead of the old model so marginal weight differences this time should not be too much of an issue. Go basic or plush comfort.....either will be fine. Interesting 'comparison' between a GT4 and 'manuel' Carrera GTS recently posted on the GT4 thread (sorry no link).

which forum?

HokumPokum said: which forum? This one! As below: Bagso said: This is interesting, a couple of German guys pit their new 991 GTS and GT4 against each other. They are speaking in German but the outcome on track doesn't need any translation. https://youtu.be/qVWKgbZZNTM

ah tks.

AdamV12V said: HokumPokum said: which forum? This one! As below: Bagso said: This is interesting, a couple of German guys pit their new 991 GTS and GT4 against each other. They are speaking in German but the outcome on track doesn't need any translation. https://youtu.be/qVWKgbZZNTM Great video (even though I can't understand what they are saying!). Makes me glad I'm going to have both of those cars And happy with my choice of red for the GT4....

Assuming both cars are Guards red......they look totally different colours.

av185 said: Power, torque and performance will all be streets ahead of the old model so marginal weight differences this time should not be too much of an issue. . I bet my Spyder is going to be faster than a plush new one.

DMC2 said: Great video (even though I can't understand what they are saying!). Makes me glad I'm going to have both of those cars And happy with my choice of red for the GT4.... I thought the video was pretty lame to be honest. The 'race' looked slow and contrived and did not excite me in the slightest. It looked as if they had decided the winner before the start. Maybe I am getting old :-)

PorscheGT4 said: av185 said: Power, torque and performance will all be streets ahead of the old model so marginal weight differences this time should not be too much of an issue. . I bet my Spyder is going to be faster than a plush new one. Is your Spyder standard? Your cars featured in the May edition of Evo?

av185 said: Assuming both cars are Guards red......they look totally different colours. I imagine the GTS is Carmine, most of the press cars were.

lsb said: I thought the video was pretty lame to be honest. The 'race' looked slow and contrived and did not excite me in the slightest. It looked as if they had decided the winner before the start. Maybe I am getting old :-) I wasn't really looking at the 'race' as being cool, I more just enjoyed seeing the GT4 in action!

DMC2 said: av185 said: Assuming both cars are Guards red......they look totally different colours. I imagine the GTS is Carmine, most of the press cars were. Car featured in the Evo feature of the test at Portimao is Guards Red.

Mermaid said: Is your Spyder standard? Your cars featured in the May edition of Evo? no and yep

PorscheGT4 said: av185 said: Power, torque and performance will all be streets ahead of the old model so marginal weight differences this time should not be too much of an issue. . I bet my Spyder is going to be faster than a plush new one. Might have guessed yours is the fastest 987 Spyder in the world lol. All Pork can be 'fast'......its all relative and depends who is driving......