A 911R being traded-in to get a 992 GT3RS slot? Possibly... - Page 3 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

Saw this appear on the OOPC finder on Thursday afternoon, and it got me thinking. It's from quite a well known 'collection', so I wonder if it's been 'offered up' in order to secure a 992 GT3RS slot? I'm struggling to work out why else the owner would want to sell it. If it was/is, then I'm not sure I would. This particular 911R spec is IMO perfect. Having said that, with less than 200 miles from new, it's not even been used... https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...

Any number of reasons why someone might sell. Perhaps the seller felt it had achieved its peak value and now would be the time to get out - especially if it’s not being used. I don’t particularly like the colour combo, but cars like that get stuck in a rut - the next buyer is paying a big premium for such low mileage, but that will take a hit if the car is used.

More likely because 992 ST is literally around the corner.

TDT said: More likely because 992 ST is literally around the corner. Good shout. That's more likely, and more like for like (ish).

Koln-RS said: Any number of reasons why someone might sell. Perhaps the seller felt it had achieved its peak value and now would be the time to get out - especially if it’s not being used. I don’t particularly like the colour combo, but cars like that get stuck in a rut - the next buyer is paying a big premium for such low mileage, but that will take a hit if the car is used. yes, lots of reason. Agree, one of my favorite cars but would be las choice colour both for car and stripes. odd its not going back to supplying dealer, cambridge, but one of the other garages in group. they have low miles turbos exclusive in stock which has been sat around for couple months and had price drops

TDT said: More likely because 992 ST is literally around the corner. next week....

kmpowell said: TDT said: More likely because 992 ST is literally around the corner. Good shout. That's more likely, and more like for like (ish). But really, would you ? Porsche specials seem to be following the example of MX5 / Lotus / ... just another one to sell a few cars. This R was special (see the price) ... but how many ways is it possible to cheese pare the 992 GT3 spec ??

MeisterH said: TDT said: More likely because 992 ST is literally around the corner. next week.... Yep. That’s my understanding.

Poor car, given the daft premium it seems destined to pass from one garage to the other, gathering dust.

A nuts ask,plenty for sale at the daft asking price,not that special or rare,nice enough car though,if only it was a proper lightweight.

AndrewD said: Poor car, given the daft premium it seems destined to pass from one garage to the other, gathering dust. So bl@@dy annoying that these cars don’t get used. So many great cars just get parked up in collectors garages never bing used . While we are still allowed to use them they should be used as much as possible .

450k seems alright, at their very peak they traded for £800k!

Yes ST for sure , , this is how it works and the ONLY way to get one ...

Crazy money for sure. Wonder if its SOR.

200 miles in 7 years? Sounds like he's really made use of all that engineering excellence.

WCZ said: 450k seems alright, at their very peak they traded for £800k! Around 75k overpriced imo. Similar miles car went for 375k in 2021 in covid madness times. Don't think they were ever that high.around 600-650k was max price. That was when everybody thought it was the last manual to be built as 991.1 gt3 was pdk only Edited by Sidsw on Monday 31st July 13:14

Sidsw said: Around 75k overpriced imo. Similar miles car went for 375k in 2021 in covid madness times. Don't think they were ever that high.around 600-650k was max price. That was when everybody thought it was the last manual to be built as 991.1 gt3 was pdk only Edited by Sidsw on Monday 31st July 13:14 That's incorrect, was circa 800k even heard of a US car for 1m! This car is a collectors dream, not seen one for ages with the ultra low miles, bit marmite colour combo, but hey! its got us folks talking so no bad press for the dealer is it!

I think people will gradually forget about this model, or certainly covet it less over time. There have and will be so many more limited edition 911s to water it down. I’m not sure if the owner really wants a GT3RS, as they haven’t bothered even taking this one for a single weekend away. Ah, what the hell, just get one anyway. It’ll soon be a 4 owner car with 1000 miles on the clock.

MeisterH said: That's incorrect, was circa 800k even heard of a US car for 1m! This car is a collectors dream, not seen one for ages with the ultra low miles, bit marmite colour combo, but hey! its got us folks talking so no bad press for the dealer is it! Rumour mill had it they were selling at that price but they were not! i know somebody who sold theirs at the same time the were apparently selling for 800k. It was 40 mile car, in silver with red stripes and the got 650k

Only 650k ... £ or $ ?? Silly numbers ... but each to their own.

I saw one on mobile.de for less than 300k euros - obviously had higher mileage than this.

ChrisW. said: Only 650k ... £ or $ ?? Silly numbers ... but each to their own. £, yes silly price.

Didn’t realise it was even possible to spec the plastic dashboard on the 911R - crazy

46AF said: Didn’t realise it was even possible to spec the plastic dashboard on the 911R - crazy I was going to post the same thing yesterday. I know it's only a bit of interior trim but the placcy dash looks really poor, bear in mind leather upgrade would also apply to the door caps, centre console etc. and makes it a much nicer place to sit in - it just looks out of place to be plastic.

TBF, Plastic was the launch/presentation spec IIRC. That said - launch car also had Red Stripes.

Jefferson Steelflex said: 46AF said: Didn’t realise it was even possible to spec the plastic dashboard on the 911R - crazy I was going to post the same thing yesterday. I know it's only a bit of interior trim but the placcy dash looks really poor, bear in mind leather upgrade would also apply to the door caps, centre console etc. and makes it a much nicer place to sit in - it just looks out of place to be plastic. Quite but be very careful you will trigger the handwringing spec Commandant who as usual will bore us with 'its all about the driving don't care about the spec' drivel. :

I think on an R it suits the ethos of the car - lighter weight, no fancy bits. I'd have specced plastic dash, PCM delete, LWFW etc. I'd probably do the same on an RS too, for the same reasons.

Would agree with you T on e.g. the pcm delete but as others have said the leather upgrade undoubtedly makes the car a nicer place to be even at the original £130k basic list never mind the insane current price £££. Usual story on the price you are now essentially paying for rarity but whether the R offers anymore over and above a 991.2 GT3 manual with its better engine and higher 9 k rev limit at c33% of the price of the R is doubtful.

I agree if you're wanting to drive the wheels off it a 991.2 Touring is the better buy but it won't feel as special. I'm sure for resale the leather dash is what most people would want, but there must be other oddballs out there like me who don't buy for resale....

Twinfan said: I think on an R it suits the ethos of the car - lighter weight, no fancy bits. I'd have specced plastic dash, PCM delete, LWFW etc. I'd probably do the same on an RS too, for the same reasons. Except somebody in the US on Rennlist weighed the plastic and extended leather 991 dashes. And guess which was lighter? Yup, the extended leather. Apparently, the extended leather dash isn't just the full plastic dash with leather on top. The structure underneath is the same, but the extended leather dash doesn't have the soft touch plastic surface treatment of the plastic dash. So essentially, you have the same basic structure with two different surface treatments and the leather one is actually lighter. So, turns out it's extended leather that suits the "ethos" of the car more, if you care about that. Personally, just think the plastic bits look and feel grim and the weight difference was never going to be actually material, even if the leather was a tiny but heavier.

That number plate is on a Pista on AT at the moment

Would love to know what the dealer markup is on a car like that. And whether this is SOR or not. Such a shame vehicles like this having almost delivery mileage.

flat6crocer said: Except somebody in the US on Rennlist weighed the plastic and extended leather 991 dashes. And guess which was lighter? Yup, the extended leather. Apparently, the extended leather dash isn't just the full plastic dash with leather on top. The structure underneath is the same, but the extended leather dash doesn't have the soft touch plastic surface treatment of the plastic dash. So essentially, you have the same basic structure with two different surface treatments and the leather one is actually lighter. So, turns out it's extended leather that suits the "ethos" of the car more, if you care about that. Personally, just think the plastic bits look and feel grim and the weight difference was never going to be actually material, even if the leather was a tiny but heavier. Fascinating stuff.

av185 said: flat6crocer said: Except somebody in the US on Rennlist weighed the plastic and extended leather 991 dashes. And guess which was lighter? Yup, the extended leather. Apparently, the extended leather dash isn't just the full plastic dash with leather on top. The structure underneath is the same, but the extended leather dash doesn't have the soft touch plastic surface treatment of the plastic dash. So essentially, you have the same basic structure with two different surface treatments and the leather one is actually lighter. So, turns out it's extended leather that suits the "ethos" of the car more, if you care about that. Personally, just think the plastic bits look and feel grim and the weight difference was never going to be actually material, even if the leather was a tiny but heavier. Fascinating stuff. Agreed - that's really interesting! Thanks! Must spec leather in the future then, like I did on my GT4

Twinfan said: av185 said: flat6crocer said: Except somebody in the US on Rennlist weighed the plastic and extended leather 991 dashes. And guess which was lighter? Yup, the extended leather. Apparently, the extended leather dash isn't just the full plastic dash with leather on top. The structure underneath is the same, but the extended leather dash doesn't have the soft touch plastic surface treatment of the plastic dash. So essentially, you have the same basic structure with two different surface treatments and the leather one is actually lighter. So, turns out it's extended leather that suits the "ethos" of the car more, if you care about that. Personally, just think the plastic bits look and feel grim and the weight difference was never going to be actually material, even if the leather was a tiny but heavier. Fascinating stuff. Agreed - that's really interesting! Thanks! Must spec leather in the future then, like I did on my GT4 Haha was going to call you out on that T I knew you had specced ext leather with yellow poss platinum stitching. :

av185 said: Haha was going to call you out on that T I knew you had specced ext leather with yellow poss platinum stitching. : My car is full yellow out and in, the "Tart's Handbag" approach. I wouldn't do it on an RS or an R though

av185 said: flat6crocer said: Except somebody in the US on Rennlist weighed the plastic and extended leather 991 dashes. And guess which was lighter? Yup, the extended leather. Apparently, the extended leather dash isn't just the full plastic dash with leather on top. The structure underneath is the same, but the extended leather dash doesn't have the soft touch plastic surface treatment of the plastic dash. So essentially, you have the same basic structure with two different surface treatments and the leather one is actually lighter. So, turns out it's extended leather that suits the "ethos" of the car more, if you care about that. Personally, just think the plastic bits look and feel grim and the weight difference was never going to be actually material, even if the leather was a tiny but heavier. Fascinating stuff. The best bit to come out of this post (so far) .. Would you believe that the Mamerow 964 3.8RSR that was crashed in 1993 and rebuilt in 2007, has a leather dash and door tops ??? Either the originals were not available or somebody knew something !

Yes the 911 R was the hottest of of hot things when it came out….and they traded at mental money,I’d heard £600k ish…never heard that £800k number before which does sound very excessive. I think they’re very expensive cars now as a lot of what we thought made them special is no longer the case - It’s not the last manual Porsche GT car - It’s not the only modern Porsche GT car without a wing - It’s about to be replicated in being a road focused RFS derivative by the ST As we now know the reason the 991.1 GT3 didn’t have a manual box was because there wasn’t enough budget for it (I guess they used the budget on developing the PDK gearbox for the 991.1 GT3). They then gave the manual gearbox the green light for the 911 R knowing it would be brought back in the 991.2 GT3. So if we knew then what we know now the R would never have been a £600k car IMHO.

hunter 66 said: Yes ST for sure , , this is how it works and the ONLY way to get one ... Not the only way. Buy loads of cars is the other.

991 Speedsters seem to be £150k-ish less than this 911R and the Speedster is a 911R convertible. The V5 on a Speedster states it as a 911R convertible and Andreas Preuninger descibes the Speedster is a 911R convertible. On this basis the £450k for the non convertible version does look a tad steep.

Ellsworth said: 991 Speedsters seem to be £150k-ish less than this 911R and the Speedster is a 911R convertible. The V5 on a Speedster states it as a 911R convertible and Andreas Preuninger descibes the Speedster is a 911R convertible. On this basis the £450k for the non convertible version does look a tad steep. This particular example is carrying a mileage premium.

Ellsworth said: 991 Speedsters seem to be £150k-ish less than this 911R and the Speedster is a 911R convertible. The V5 on a Speedster states it as a 911R convertible and Andreas Preuninger descibes the Speedster is a 911R convertible. On this basis the £450k for the non convertible version does look a tad steep. Does the r have carbon body panels? Surprised they are still fetching such big money now we have so many routings produced.

GT4RS said: Ellsworth said: 991 Speedsters seem to be £150k-ish less than this 911R and the Speedster is a 911R convertible. The V5 on a Speedster states it as a 911R convertible and Andreas Preuninger descibes the Speedster is a 911R convertible. On this basis the £450k for the non convertible version does look a tad steep. Does the r have carbon body panels? . Yes it does. CF Bonnet & front wings. Magnesium Roof.

TDT said: Ellsworth said: 991 Speedsters seem to be £150k-ish less than this 911R and the Speedster is a 911R convertible. The V5 on a Speedster states it as a 911R convertible and Andreas Preuninger descibes the Speedster is a 911R convertible. On this basis the £450k for the non convertible version does look a tad steep. This particular example is carrying a mileage premium. didn't they build like double the number of Speedsters? I would rather have a coupe, but that is just personal preference. Prices of the 991/992 cars seem (slightly) insane to me given production numbers compared to older water-cooled cars, but that is a different story.

TDT said: This particular example is carrying a mileage premium. Still way too much. Market is back at these prices now. https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2016-porsche-9... Max should be £375-400k if somebody really wants it. Otherwise circa £350-360K. If iirc the same opc had a 911R for sale with 500 miles or so at £270K in March 2020 just before lockdown. Looks like a bargin now! Edited by rkwm1 on Saturday 5th August 10:11

MDL111 said: didn't they build like double the number of Speedsters? I would rather have a coupe, but that is just personal preference. Prices of the 991/992 cars seem (slightly) insane to me given production numbers compared to older water-cooled cars, but that is a different story. They built 1000 or so more Speedsters. There are about 80 or so in the UK so still rare.

£400 + . No. The R is an ornament for serious collectors only. Never has there been a car where mileage has been so ruinous financially. Put 1-2000 miles on and it will cost you north of £100k at todays rates, and no one wants one with mileage anyhow so may well be stuck with it. Beyond irrational.

Robbo66 said: £400 + . No. The R is an ornament for serious collectors only. Never has there been a car where mileage has been so ruinous financially. Put 1-2000 miles on and it will cost you north of £100k at todays rates, and no one wants one with mileage anyhow so may well be stuck with it. Beyond irrational. Thank goodness they made the 991 GT3 Touring (with a better motor) for those that want to drive the things! The low volume models are fiscal trinkets.

993rsr said: Thank goodness they made the 991 GT3 Touring (with a better motor) for those that want to drive the things! The low volume models are fiscal trinkets. :scratching: in that case, wouldn't any other expensive car that has a large mileage premium not also be a fiscal trinket?

Jefferson Steelflex said: 46AF said: Didn’t realise it was even possible to spec the plastic dashboard on the 911R - crazy I was going to post the same thing yesterday. I know it's only a bit of interior trim but the placcy dash looks really poor, bear in mind leather upgrade would also apply to the door caps, centre console etc. and makes it a much nicer place to sit in - it just looks out of place to be plastic. At 700 miles - yes the car has been sat in, not driven. Wonder if the owner gets in now and again, twiddles the steering wheel, and makes vroom vroom noises like we all did as kids

993rsr said: Thank goodness they made the 991 GT3 Touring (with a better motor) for those that want to drive the things! The low volume models are fiscal trinkets. 991 touring is old hat now.

Robbo66 said: £400 + . No. The R is an ornament for serious collectors only. Never has there been a car where mileage has been so ruinous financially. Put 1-2000 miles on and it will cost you north of £100k at todays rates, and no one wants one with mileage anyhow so may well be stuck with it. Beyond irrational. This is what I do not understand about the 'halo' models. If you have an gt3 etc from new, you could crack 15k miles on it in a year and still offload most likely with a premium. Why do so many owners sit with them under a cover in a heated garage posting on here about the importance of a leather dashboard etc whilst hardly using it to keep miles down? I enjoy whatever I have as often as I can in all weathers. Not having a go at anyone or trying to stir an argument; I just don't understand. It's been indicated that I shall be offered a .2GT3, and if that happens and I take it, it shall be parked on the driveway and used as above, just like the other stuff I have. If the above R had 40k miles on it, it would still have a £100k premium, with the more important fun that was given with actually using it. I submitted a configuration for a S/T, and got a call back from the DP that they haven't been told if they shall receive any allocations....not that I would be offered one anyway!

Why do so many owners sit with them under a cover in a heated garage posting on here about the importance of a leather dashboard etc whilst hardly using it to keep miles down? .... Because that's the type of customer that Porsche OPC's have groomed .... ??

Thing is you have to be a lunatic to put mileage on an R given that it is so close to a 991.2 Touring. Yes it’s got the lightweight panels etc and apparently a more road biased chassis set up but the Touring has got the better engine.

Robbo66 said: £400 + . No. The R is an ornament for serious collectors only. Never has there been a car where mileage has been so ruinous financially. Put 1-2000 miles on and it will cost you north of £100k at todays rates, and no one wants one with mileage anyhow so may well be stuck with it. Beyond irrational. there are other cars where this is similar, f40's etc my friend had a 458 spec arp with 300 miles and was considering driving it to london and back from manchester, we calculated it'd be cheaper to charter a learjet as it'd cost him £40k in depreciation

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202308090... One with 600 miles less really worth £50K more??

A few starting to appear for sale again https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202308110... Can dive away in this for £400k i hear. has the very important leather dash as well and the better colour stripes imo Green worth £370-380k??

Wasn’t that on CC recently? Another silver one also on CC at the moment. Funny thing is, the AT Ad says the mileage is 5,300 below average (it’s only done 69 mls). So, for a 7 year old car, that suggests the average mileage of a 991R is about 750 mls pa.

Be intresting to see where it ends up i think circa £350k

so cc car ended at 320k. guess that means the east london one is way overpriced and should be at 350k max if you want a low miles ones. hang on a few months and prices will drop even further. i see it as a 300k car come 2024.