Youtube GT3 v GTS v T - Page 2 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

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A lot of sense spoken in that, although many would still pick the GT3 if given the opportunity. As a 992 GTS owner I do wonder sometimes is there really a need for something so quick, and maybe the 'T' is the answer. That said, I'll still be pushing my OPC for a GT3 slot on the Gen 2 GT3, albeit the odds are not great clearly.

In the UK we are limited by poor roads and speed limits so absolutely a base 911 or T is enough for most drivers. As I am living in Germany for a few years I found the base on a test drive not that fast and also not much quicker than my BMW M135i so I went for a GTS. The GTS is significantly more dynamic in all respects than my BMW and comes with a visceral edge and of course the poser 911 looks that attract a lot of favourable attention. Oddly enough insurance for the 2 is the same - BMW M135i is a high risk car in Germany favoured by many young drivers with a tendency to damage or write them off, hence the high risk. However, it is not all foot to the floor as the autobahn is in full holiday season at the moment full of tourists and especially Dutch drivers and their caravans.

Interest take on the GT3 Touring on the road being too firm. I have read a few reviews suggesting that the GTS was too stiffly sprung too although I didn’t find that on test drive. This review is just making me look forward to my Gentician Blue GTS turning up next month!

Try a cheaper 991.2 GT3 and 991.2 Carrera T before you consider any of these.

My local OPC was telling me they have bought back loads of the GTS they sold as the owners (many who wanted an S but couldn’t get one) found them far too stiff for UK Roads.

After I sold my 991.2 C2S last month I’ve been mostly running around in my Elise Cup 250. I’m sure the 992 GTS will feel like a luxo-barge in comparison, I’m not worried about the ride quality.

WRT the GT3, is that really a surprise? Surely most ultra hi-performance cars have become too big, too stiff, too fast and too expensive to be truly enjoyable, especially on the UK’s decrepit, speed enforced public roads. Sadly, the road and weather depicted in the video are the exception rather than the rule.

I think the answer here is European road trips. Billiard table flat, much much less traffic, twisties for miles, endless route choices. Yes you have to get on the ferry or Euro tunnel, but I suspect most 911’s are miserable driving in UK. I don’t live in the UK bit visit and drive there a few times a year, I live on a small island with a 35mph speed limit! Europe is on the doorstep and I make the most of every trip, it is far superior to the UK but requires a degree of effort to access, but the effort is worth it.

GT3s are very adjustable - and come out of the box in different states per car. A trip to CG is the answer unless one is looking for a much more relaxing car

Koln-RS said: Sadly, the road and weather depicted in the video are the exception rather than the rule. There are zillions of great roads all over England including the south. Does anybody complaining about the roads actually get outside the M25?

First Sea Lord said: GT3s are very adjustable - and come out of the box in different states per car. A trip to CG is the answer unless one is looking for a much more relaxing car Nothing CG is going to do about the spring and damper rates by fiddling with the geo. You could change the springs and dampers, but that applies to any 911.

Hobo said: A lot of sense spoken in that, although many would still pick the GT3 if given the opportunity. As a 992 GTS owner I do wonder sometimes is there really a need for something so quick, and maybe the 'T' is the answer. That said, I'll still be pushing my OPC for a GT3 slot on the Gen 2 GT3, albeit the odds are not great clearly. This. I’m new to 911 ownership albeit a lowly 997.1 C2. But these cars are about how they make you feel not whether they make sense, are practical, ride the road and bumps better. That GT3 Touring was visceral, had the 9k redline, the speed and the super sharp turn-in. It would feel more special than any of the other cars even crashing over bumps. If I could afford a GT3 would I give it up for a Carrera T because it didn’t ride the bumps? No way, Jose. I’d change the dampers and springs and enjoy the rest of the car. Simples.

I drove a few 992gts models ,I can’t compare them to the 992 gt3 as I haven’t driven one ,but compared to the 991.2gt3 I found them incredibly fast but dull and they offered a fraction of the (let’s call it ) experience .

I think the 991.2 GT3 the 911 sweetspot

IMI A said: I think the 991.2 GT3 the 911 sweetspot I agree, especially in Touring guise. After over a dozen 911's including air cooled RS and GT cars, it's my favorite. Still feels and looks like a 911, and as adept at road trips as it is at track days. Went to Skye last August with one of the dogs, he likes it to:

I am very happy with my 991.1 GT3, even if I wanted a 992 GT3 touring or otherwise 'I'm not important' enough to buy one new and that doesn't fit that well with me. I'd never pay over list out of Principal in any case. I Waited 3 years to find the right spec and the right mileage to buy and I waited until it was under list. That was galling enough. I wont do that again. I'm actually delighted to see the T lives up to it's design philosophy and in many ways it does look like it's the thinking enthusiasts 911, well done Porsche, shame it isn't 100kg less in weight.

IMI A said: I think the 991.2 GT3 the 911 sweetspot Agree with this aswell, even though I'm only months into mine, having samlped many 911's over the years, this one feels the like skunk works version, especially the manual Edited by guyvert1 on Saturday 12th August 20:19

IMI A said: I think the 991.2 GT3 the 911 sweetspot I’m thinking this as well and suspect that it’s what I’ll go for when my kids are too big for the back seats of a 911. I have driven the 992 GT3 on the road and I didn’t find it too firm, despite that being the word on the street. The problem was how hard it was to access the power band. Also, it’s so flat everywhere. With the chassis so locked down when set against the relatively low mid range torque, the car is just teasing you. I think it’s wasted unless there are going to be opportunities to let fly.

IMI A said: I think the 991.2 GT3 the 911 sweetspot those here agree with you, no idea, I never driven a GT3, but I like the Touring version, also never driven, but a GT3 without shouting wings :-) https://www.hotcars.com/heres-why-the-991-2-porsch...

I've driven both OPCs will let you have a go no issue at all. I think dynamics aside the 991 being a bit like a classic 911 chassis ie a bit of understeer thats part of the fun and even the interior is peak Porsche with quality hard buttons for everything and an analogue rev counter etc with computer info off to the right a really nice no fuss interior. I love those mags 993rsr. Subtle and look OEM. Very nice indeed.

I have had my 992 GT3 Touring for 1 1/2 year now. Done 15.000 km and tracked it a few times (Misano and Red Bull Ring). I only use it for longer trips. When I first got it I found it quite loud inside, the ride was firm but not too firm and compared to previous Porsches the direct steering and the rear wheel steer makes a notable difference. I got used to the buckets seats pretty quickly and the only thing that irritates me about the seats is the fact that they don‘t tilt forward so you can access the rear. I think its a fabulous car and wouldn’t change it for anything in the Porsche range at the moment.

I have a 992 T and a 992 GT3, without going over old ground some of my thoughts are here: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... I love my Carrera T - I use it as my daily and think it is a fabulous 911, but I also love the GT3; they are different cars with different uses. If had to choose just one, I'd take the GT3 and put up with the compromises, but my decision is also coloured by where I live and the roads I have access to. If I was in the UK, I think I'd go with the Carrera T (all financial considerations aside).

To own a GT3 as for occasional use, specifically solo European trips and track days, makes sense. That’s its purpose. For regular road only use, in the UK, it is wasted, IMO. Probably why so many are bought with good intent, but languish with very few miles.

Koln-RS said: To own a GT3 as for occasional use, specifically solo European trips and track days, makes sense. That’s its purpose. For regular road only use, in the UK, it is wasted, IMO. Probably why so many are bought with good intent, but languish with very few miles. Do you think it’s wasted if someone buys one ,uses it frequently on the road and loves every minute of driving it ?

Koln-RS said: To own a GT3 as for occasional use, specifically solo European trips and track days, makes sense. That’s its purpose. For regular road only use, in the UK, it is wasted, IMO. Probably why so many are bought with good intent, but languish with very few miles. Enjoyment of a GT3 has little to do with the duration of the trip and there are plenty of non-track opportunities in the UK for enjoyment; I doubt I've done more than 90 miles in a single trip but I've enjoyed every one - about 1500 miles in three months. A large number of GT cars are purchased with the intent of never or hardly ever driving them to protect the value and maximise profit on resale. They don't languish; they are purchased with one objective and it's not driving.

It's a real shame that so many GT3's are not bought because of the car, I still remember seeing more 991.2 GT3's for sale at main dealers (37 cars) the moment they stopped production and they could retail over list. Only 2 had over 2,000 miles, says its all really