996 gt3 brake woes - Page 2 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

the brakes on my car are very poor in my opinion,so asking for advise on how to improve,they almost feel like there is no servo with no initial bite its had new discs and decent pads,been bled and refilled with good fluid.We have disconnected servo and the brakes go no existent so it is working going to powerbleed it tomorrow and see if it helps,its doing my head in!! just got some floating pf discs to see if they help any pointers would be welcome

Its unlikely to be the brand of disc so you may have wasted some money there...Gt3 brakes are rarely criticised, they are not over servoed and need a decent shove. What are you comparing them to when you say they're poor?

ttdan said: Its unlikely to be the brand of disc so you may have wasted some money there...Gt3 brakes are rarely criticised, they are not over servoed and need a decent shove. What are you comparing them to when you say they're poor? only paid 120 quid for the disks so it was a no brainer,it has been mentioned that its me expecting too much but they really are poo,they struggle to stop the car from a decent lick and feel very wooden

Agree with ttdan above. What pads are you using? I have GiroDiscs with RS29 pads on my 996 GT3...(admittedly also braided hoses but I suspect they make subtle difference only) The RS29s provide great initial bite, the overall combo excellent stopping power, and generally huge amount of endurance on track...I run out of steam way before the brakes/car does. Depending on where in the country you are, you can speak to the guys at Nine Excellence who developed my car.

ferodo ds2500 pads,

ds2500 are not great... i would go pagid rs4-2 minimum. and... how did you get the PF discs so cheap?

rich83 said: ds2500 are not great... i would go pagid rs4-2 minimum. and... how did you get the PF discs so cheap? use them in another car and find them a good pad,discs needed a skim hence cheapness

darronwall said: rich83 said: ds2500 are not great... i would go pagid rs4-2 minimum. and... how did you get the PF discs so cheap? use them in another car and find them a good pad,discs needed a skim hence cheapness Darron, forgive me saying so, but there's not a lot of point asking for other peoples advice on here, if you're then going to ignore it as you have done above. The DS2500 are in my experience, just as you've described them : wooden, lacking bite and hopeless under duress. You may well find them good in another car, but that means little or nothing as most cars are over-servoed when compared to a 996 GT3. I find your comments about having had your PF discs skimmed "worrying". I take it they are the floating discs with separate bells ? If this is the case, did you remove the bells from the disc to skim them ? If not do you have jig which enables the disc to be held and mounted true whilst the skimming operation took place (ie not using the bell to hold the disc and bell assembly whilst turning it) You'll pardon me for saying so, but it sounds like you're trying to do the job on the cheap. I've no real experience of the PFC set up (I always use Alcons and Pagid RS29 pads) but as far as I know, the PFC discs are best used with the correct and recommended PFC pads. You may want to rethink what is is you're trying to attain before fitting what I consider "cheap" pads and trying to resurface floating discs. HTH

Has the car had its £10K refresh ??

ArcticGT3 said: Has the car had its £10K refresh ?? Stoppit, if you continue to make comments such as the one above, I'll have no choice but to record them all on Mr D's behalf and present the resultant file to the Police to consider prosecuting any perpetrators for abusive behaviour on an internet forum. You should know by now that Mr D reserves the right to troll, create disharmony and generally act in a divisive manner without being challenged or indeed his, insightful, (and inciteful) comments being quoted by all and sundry.

996 mk 1 or mk 2?

996 mk 1 or mk 2?

Slippydiff said: You should know by now that Mr D reserves the right to troll, create disharmony and generally act in a divisive manner without being challenged or indeed his, insightful, (and inciteful) comments being quoted by all and sundry. Trolling is about abuse, not about what a car costs to refresh if it's worn out. TROLL ie YOU... "One who purposely and deliberately starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum" When do I attack others making them feel threatened ? You do many times. I think 10k is a under estimate these days for a 996 GT3 refresh if it's not had anything major done, if any thing the 997.1 is in the 10k ball park now, the 996 GT3 would be more. :-)

I know the £10k refresh thing is a bit of a PH in-joke now.... ...however, any decent owner of a decent GT3 which gets regular use (and is not in storage) would be on top of the things that can need attention over time - such that there should not be a need for a shocking change to 'everything that can wear away' all at once.

most things do seem to need changing all at once though, and while bits are off you do other stuff. IF you change the diff you do the Clutch etc,, disks you do the pads, top mounts, rads, rotten rear exhausts now days. Damper rebuilds, coil packs AC condensors, all these things don't go wrong in the 1st 3 or 4 years. So yes you tend to do a whole lot of jobs at once then get it set up and geo. all adds up on a 12 year old car, and yes it is shocking how on a lot of cars none of that is done bar disks and pads and esp on 997.1 GT3's A lot of cars are sold as never tracked and seem to just be show/fun cars. my mate part exed is 997.1 GT3 when it needed major service, disks and pads all round and 4 new tyres, whats that cost £4k worth people do sell on cars which need a lot of work, as people don't seem to give a s t when buying as long as it's cheap !!! It's not a GT3 thing it's buying any 12 year old car, but people think nothing needs changing and are happy to run 12 year old 40k shocks and weather worn bushes each to there own I guess. I hate driving worn out old cars esp when people say they are perfect as they don't notice the very slow degrading day on day. I doubt many 996 GT3 have been rebushed all round. Edited by mrdemon on Monday 3rd November 15:07

mrdemon said: I think 10k is a under estimate these days for a 996 GT3 refresh if it's not had anything major done, if any thing the 997.1 is in the 10k ball park now, the 996 GT3 would be more. :-) Of course it is, after all, you've said it, you believe it, so it must be true eh ? ;-) But before we go any further on this topic, could you clarify a minor detail ? Tell us all, how many miles did you do during your 996 GT3 ownership (a split between track and road miles would be even better) As for all that other nonsense in your post You could : 1. Stop constantly posting contentious drivel. 2. Leave (and go to Planet9 where you'd no doubt be considered a demi-god) 3. Man up. 4. Contact the PH moderators. Personally I'd start with 3. If that proves difficult, try very hard with 1. Should that too prove to be a struggle try 2. In the event that 1,2 or 3 just don't work for you, I'd resort to 4 That being the moderators, they're at both yours (and my) disposal to adjudicate on such matters. My guess is they're very aware of your impact on this forum and others, and accordingly they see any robust responses to your posts as being par for the course on what is after all a public forum. If they consider anything that's been directed your way as "abuse", I'm sure they'll slap my wrists or issue the same penalty as that given to Ed (Crimp a Length) for posting lewd images of himself.

mrdemon said: most things do seem to need changing all at once though, and while bits are off you do other stuff. IF you change the diff you do the Clutch etc,, disks you do the pads, top mounts, rads, rotten rear exhausts now days. Damper rebuilds, coil packs AC condensors, all these things don't go wrong in the 1st 3 or 4 years. So yes you tend to do a whole lot of jobs at once then get it set up and geo. all adds up on a 12 year old car, and yes it is shocking how on a lot of cars none of that is done bar disks and pads and esp on 997.1 GT3's A lot of cars are sold as never tracked and seem to just be show/fun cars. my mate part exed is 997.1 GT3 when it needed major service, disks and pads all round and 4 new tyres, whats that cost £4k worth people do sell on cars which need a lot of work, as people don't seem to give a s t when buying as long as it's cheap !!! It's not a GT3 thing it's buying any 12 year old car, but people think nothing needs changing and are happy to run 12 year old 40k shocks and weather worn bushes each to there own I guess. I hate driving worn out old cars esp when people say they are perfect as they don't notice the very slow degrading day on day. I doubt many 996 GT3 have been rebushed all round. Edited by mrdemon on Monday 3rd November 15:07 I don't want to get into an extended ping pong on this...especially as it is off topic and probably a throwaway remark which I am taking the bait on. I agree, in an extreme case the above can be true - i.e. one buys a lemon that has had minimum upkeep and the seller sells to avoid expenditure. It is priced competitively to pass on the bill of works to a new buyer. As you say such lemons could be bought in any 12+ year old model from any manufacturer. If anything it is more reflective of the experience of the buyer if they cannot spot a lemon. As I hinted earlier, 996 GT3s historically never dropped much below £35k and therefore have usually been well looked after (on the whole). I have had almost all the works done at some point or other on 4 different cars...never did I have to do all the same e.g. I had the diff done....did not do the clutch at the same time. Disks and pads? yep probably done together as you end up putting on higher performance discs and pads in most cases Condenser? yes I also did front grills...it was peanuts while the PU unit was off...did not have to do rads Dampers? not yet. But geo get done regularly anyway because I use the car I just dont think it hits you all at once unless you are unlucky or inexperienced enough to not spot an unmaintained lemon. Anyway...as you were (i.e. carry on Slippy and Mr D )

I'll need a bigger spoon at this rate !

mrdemon said: most things do seem to need changing all at once though, and while bits are off you do other stuff. IF you change the diff you do the Clutch etc Why's that then ? mrdemon said: coil packs AC condensors So you'd change the coil packs as a matter of routine ?, ditto AC condensors ? More money than sense springs to mind. mrdemon said: It's not a GT3 thing it's buying any 12 year old car Bingo, there it is ! ! What even the fabled Cayman R will soon be needing a £10k plus overhaul ???????????? !!!!!!! Surely not !!!!! mrdemon said: But people think nothing needs changing and are happy to run 12 year old 40k shocks and weather worn bushes each to there own I guess. Did you REALLY say that ? ? ? ? (I think you meant "their" btw ;-) ) mrdemon said: I hate driving worn out old cars esp when people say they are perfect as they don't notice the very slow degrading day on day. I doubt many 996 GT3 have been rebushed all round. Guess what, probably 99.9% of the cars on the road today fall into your category of "worn out old cars", it's a process that starts from the second you drive any new car out of the showroom. Edited by mrdemon on Monday 3rd November 15:07 ^ Oh, that's naughty, editing a post, very poor forum etiquette my friend. Tut tut ;-)

i'll not bother asking again!! I will move on to some different pads next time and see how it goes.

darronwall said: i'll not bother asking again!! I will move on to some different pads next time and see how it goes. If you ignore the mrd bulls t its been fairly helpful. Check on 911uk and rennlist to.see what combos people are running

mrdemon said: I doubt many 996 GT3 have been rebushed all round. Edited by mrdemon on Monday 3rd November 15:07 The 4 996 GT3's I know well have all been re-bushed.

make that 5

lemmingjames said: If you ignore the mrd bulls t its been fairly helpful. ^ pork forum 'bog door' graffiti

lemmingjames said: If you ignore the mrd bulls t its been fairly helpful. Check on 911uk and rennlist to.see what combos people are running where is the bulls t ? AT least I fitted pads that work !

He has fitted the right pads, they just dont work as well as other brands Clean wheels = never driven You bs is the stuff about this magical 10k refresh or 1k a year if you like

Darron, we all know Pagid are the best but don't like paying for them. I bought some Ferodos for the race car this year as they work for some drivers, but the 2500 compound wasn't up to the job. I have RS29s on the Porsche, they are perfect until the fluid boils, but I've only got a puny Mark 1

996 GT3 said: I have RS29s on the Porsche, they are perfect until the fluid boils, but I've only got a puny Mark 1 More cool air needed. Cut out the front arch liners a la Mk2/GT2, blank off the radiator hot air "exhaust" ducts in the front undertray, fit the Mk2 ducts (fitted to the outside face of the inner flitches) and you'll find they run a lot cooler. Brake fluid is a personal choice, but I'd go for Castrol SRF or Motul, some seem keen on ATE Blue, but I've not found it to be as effective as SRF or Motul. lemmingjames said: He has fitted the right pads, they just dont work as well as other brands Clean wheels = never driven You bs is the stuff about this magical 10k refresh or 1k a year if you like Clean wheels = Never driven/garage queen. (Hence my question as to just how many miles The Demon actually drove his car) Safe to assume then that all the negative comments The Demon made about his GT3 regarding its lack of torque, poorly chosen gear ratios and useless suspension, were based on his experiences of getting the car in and out of the garage Just sayin' ;-) Just jesting really Demon, we all know your abilities behind the wheel are far beyond those of anyone else on here. No doubt the Michelin pictured above still had its "chicken strips", the disc still has the factory cross honing on its surface (just checked, it has) and the hottest the pads ever got were sitting on the OPC's parts department shelves on a long hot summers day..... Compare and contrast the two wheel and brake images (preferably using estate agent terminology) : Wheels : Original feature, reasonably preserved, well presented (clean(ish) on the outside) ! Wheelnuts : Nicely matured (rusty) Discs : Displaying some nice character and signs of ageing, whilst having a pleasant and realistic patina. A (miriad of heat cracks, nicely smeared pad transfer material and reasonable wear lip (from something called "use" surprisingly) Tyres : Contemporary (Threadbare) Calipers : Serviceable but in need of renovation/modernisation (slightly tired having been through numerous heat cycles AKA "use"). Pads : Serviceable. (May once have been a pretty yellow colour, though now more akin to charcoal briquettes)

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when I had RS29s on my mk1 GT3 I thought they were pretty good (well a man site better than the set of OEM (yeah right...) pads from ECP which wore out in clouds of black dust after 3 laps of Spa ! I changed to Mk2 calipers and Performance Friction 06 pads and dimpled discs - this car had the best braking of ANY car I've driven - it's ability to modulate right up to lock up was amazing - better than the 997 Cup car I had... never did spend out £10k on the car though - must have been a pile of s te....

I remember it well, David - it was a complete crock That must explain why you had so much trouble getting rid of it - NOT!

Agreed Nick - so hard to shift bit slow compared to my current car - 650BHP is fun !