Base 992 Carrera 0-60 in 3.54 seconds. No Chrono. - Page 3 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

Another Youtube review. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdU-DTIp5lQ Having now completed 50,000 miles in my Carrera on the roads of the UK, I do ask myself why more performance is required? I have driven 992s on the track as well (not mine I add), I think I have probably used not even 50% of my cars capabilities on the road. I was surprised about the price increase! I would still buy another however if I was doing it all again today. The "mode" of the car changes instantly with accelerator inputs and the lateral forces the car detects. So can someone remind me why optioning that little circular chrono nob in the steering wheel is essential? What Jo doesn't mention much are the service costs. I have had 2x £350 20,000 mile services and a large £1,600 service recently which included all fluids plugs and belts. I did have an £350 extra oil change as well last year just before it got cold, to be kind to it. MPG is often in the low 30's, so I get regularly get 450 miles on a single tank in road use. I am on my 4th set of tyres at £850 a set, so these last well. My C63 rear tyres were generally out at 3,500 miles. The car has been faultless and is still as good as new inside and out. As far as depreciation goes with no options, I have been offered nearly all the original purchase price back from Porsche more than once. So, it has been a relatively cheap way to go quickly. Edited by politeperson on Sunday 2nd July 09:52

A car being used how dare you With so many cars up for sale barely run in it’s nice to hear of one actually being used and any problems that might have been encountered along the way.’ Base 911s have always been the drivers choice for everyday performance.

That's really interesting to hear. It's generally the case on PH that we persuade ourselves more power is better, but the cars have got faster and the roads are no bigger and speed limits more enforced every year. A base 911 looks exactly as good as an S and also benefits from the slightly larger more compliant sidewalls to improve the ride. I'd bet it's the best variety for long distance touring and daily use.

Lovely thing to see. Agree that the base model has always been all the 911 most people really ever need. And IMO, the better everyday choice. If you measure enjoyment by the amount a car is used (mileage), that says a lot. Far better than some of the mileage precious GT garage queens.

Thanks, as you say - all the car (and more) you're ver need on the road! PS - rar reminds me a bit of a 928...

politeperson said: Another Youtube review. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdU-DTIp5lQ Having now completed 50,000 miles in my Carrera on the roads of the UK, I do ask myself why more performance is required? I have driven 992s on the track as well (not mine I add), I think I have probably used not even 50% of my cars capabilities on the road. I was surprised about the price increase! I would still buy another however if I was doing it all again today. The "mode" of the car changes instantly with accelerator inputs and the lateral forces the car detects. So can someone remind me why optioning that little circular chrono nob in the steering wheel is essential? What Jo doesn't mention much are the service costs. I have had 2x £350 20,000 mile services and a large £1,600 service recently which included all fluids plugs and belts. I did have an £350 extra oil change as well last year just before it got cold, to be kind to it. MPG is often in the low 30's, so I get regularly get 450 miles on a single tank in road use. I am on my 4th set of tyres at £850 a set, so these last well. My C63 rear tyres were generally out at 3,500 miles. The car has been faultless and is still as good as new inside and out. As far as depreciation goes with no options, I have been offered nearly all the original purchase price back from Porsche more than once. So, it has been a relatively cheap way to go quickly. Edited by politeperson on Sunday 2nd July 09:52 great shot from this 992, looks good and amazed its that fast, a plus as well, looks almost like a GT3 touring, nice.

Many thanks for the overview and assurance on the 992. I thought 4 tyres would have been much more? I started thinking I would have a base 911, but got swept up and will shortly take delivery of a 4 GTS Cab, minus sport PASM. Primarily because I am in Germany for 2 years and the autobhan demands power, if you are that way inclined!

Thanks, I got on the track at the Le Mans Classic. When the pace car had vanished around the corner our group stopped. We were like a group of naughty schoolboys waiting to see what we could get up to before we caught him up. 168 mph was the answer, she still seemed to have plenty left but I bottled it. This guy seems to have got a bit more on the Autobahn, 290kph on his GPS and a bit left. Thats quick enough for me! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DApiyICplg AutoTopNL, great channel. This was a good journey. Limoges to Lincs. I was trying to explain to someone the other day how difficult it is to average 100km/h for 10 hours on the roads! I got 4 tickets. Edited by politeperson on Sunday 2nd July 20:27 Edited by politeperson on Sunday 2nd July 20:29

Thank you, I do like your occasional real world reports. Please keep them coming. Do you ever use the Sport function? Do you think there is much difference between the Sport function and Sport on Sport Chrono apart from the clock?

Yep, that’s a well used Carrera. I’m really glad you’re enjoying so much. I’ve had a go at the PEC and enjoyed it much more than the 4S. The ‘what is enough power’ argument will always rage on. The 0-60 is so heavily influenced by the traction and gearbox, so the PDK comes into its own. On the road it makes the car so much quicker in the day to day situations. Still, I prefer a manual. I can’t race it off the line as there’s way too much drama to be socially acceptable and my clutch wouldn’t last long. Being a 991.2 it has the same engine, but with the exhaust and map it’s now 480lbFt and 506bhp. The latter number isn’t important as it’s the torque that gives the punch and makes the use of 2nd and 3rd a joy on the right roads. The standard suspension works on our pot holed roads, but I found the brakes needed upgrading and a good diff needed. So, I agree that the basic car is up to the job, but I felt the engine was asthmatic and have found it to be transformed with the work. I’ve also had the opportunity to drive a 992 GT3 with a manual. There a few people who use it properly (on track), but not the majority and hence they trade ownership so frequently. The much fabled engine feels weak when coming from a turbo car and for me it just doesn’t work on the roads I use. With the manual it’s hard to keep it singing as you need to keep it in a very narrow power band at the top end of the rev range. It’s just a bit out of reach and frustrating, so I feel it needs to be used on track. At least then, there’s a chance to also get the myriad of driver aids working for you. PDCC, RWS etc do nothing to increase driver enjoyment of a road car. I wonder if the PDK would help get the most out of the engine more frequently on the road? I did see a little clip of an early 911. It listed all the mod cons that it didn’t have and then boasted about having PRVDP. Porsche real visceral driving pleasure. Some of that still gets through, but I think it requires a bit of thought about personal requirements before deciding which model to opt for. It seems that you made the correct choice!

I take it OPC are not servicing the car when the 20,000/2yr cost is only £350? It's usually more than double that!

When you say your car was a base model did you spec any options (other than paint)? I’m Interested as tempted to order base model but as you say too easy to get dragged along with adding extras.

The car has had whatever it has needed. Porsche Nottingham service my car, apart from the major service recently, it has just need oil and filters, so £350 a go seems about right for £80 worth of oil. My local tyre guys were much cheaper then Porsche for the correct tyres. What else is their to do apart from inspect everything? It hasn't cost that much more than any of our other cars . So it is on its 4th sump of oil now and does not drink any between changes. I chose Adventurine Green and retro silver side stickers. The cost of the car was just under £85k. The standard equipment list is pretty full really. The brakes are still in good condition with little scoring and about 50% of the pads are left. The wheels are still in as new condition with no brake dust pitting or kerb damage. I have pressed the Sport button once. I cant say it does much. If you are pushing on the car senses the drivers input and changes character without having to press any buttons. If you are driving on a light to medium throttle the Sport just seems to select a lower gear for longer, say in town. That might fool some into thinking the car has been somehow transformed, but I think its just the same really. Driving in PDK, I rarely use the paddles either. Only changing down into a tight bend maybe, to help engine braking. Prior to overtaking, if you blip the throttle lightly the car will change down a cog or 2 before you peg it, without having to press any other buttons. I must admit, one of the reasons I went for the C2 was all the rave about the "pure" driving experience of the early 2.0l air cooled cars. Not sure it has a great deal in common with them. Looks a bit the same I suppose? Edited by politeperson on Monday 3rd July 08:38

Super looking car and obviously getting well used…I’m also interested in tyre costs …my 991 gts recently cost me £1400 (20inch P Zero’s) for a set and that’s from Black Circles . A while ago I had a base 997 and would agree even then the car had “enough” of every thing. Is your car now due replacement or are you happy to run it for a few more “free ish” years. Cheers.

Great story OP. That's plenty of miles (!) but highly enjoyable ones by the sound of it. I'm not a great fan of the 992's design but yours looks good from that angle. I agree with you re performance and the ability to use it. I have 370 horses in my 991.2 and, like you, it's rare to need more than half of them. I know the cooking 911 engine is a 3.0 turbo (with all that is said to entail) but I think it's a cracking power plant.

Just back from camping at Le Mans classic. Had mine since November just ticked over 4000 miles. Poverty spec plus roof, lights, 14 way seats. No chrono, no sports exhaust. Loving it, have driven it very enthusiastically a lot, never thought it needed more power or grip When I first went to order one it was to be a Turbo S, swmbo insisted I at least drove others and gave it some thought, never regretted the decision.

Great review OP, kudos to you for driving it and putting the miles on it Sir! I've had my 992 GTS since Sept last year and have done two epic Euro Road Trips in it so far. Whilst I love my 992 GTS, I think I would have had just as much fun in the Base 992 Carrera. They're all so much quicker than the figures suggest! (All variants I should add). And therefore, a Base Carrera is more than enough in all honesty. Pleased to hear in 50k miles nothing major has needed doing and seems like only regular servicing and maintenance is all that has been required.

Good review and I agree, doesn't seem like you need anything more. I cannot get all of the performance out of my 981 GTS so cannot imagine trying to extract it from a new 992 Carrera.

Interesting write up thanks for sharing. I’ve had an approved (late 2019) 992 C2S for 3 months, 3k miles and love the thing! It does have sport chrono and PSE and I frequently use sport plus (find sport a bit showy with the silly pops) and what I call the “stabbed rat button” ie. Sport response which is great fun. I also like the ability to set the individual mode via the dial. I did test drive a base Carrera without chrono before settling on the C2S but the S just had that bit more go. The base Carrera was excellent though. As for the PDK it’s a great gearbox; I just wish they made the paddles larger and more usable as they are far too small. I only use them to force the box into 8th after a blast up to motorway speed. MPG is great too on a run, see pic although it was a boring drive! Edited by 9k rpm on Monday 3rd July 22:42 Edited by 9k rpm on Monday 3rd July 22:59

i had a 992 gts for a short time. I HATED the ride on UK roads. Completely wooden. It had the standard PASM -10mm which i would delete if i had to do it again. The very interesting about Joe is that he drove the GTS recently and came to the same conclusion as me: too compromised a ride and FAR TOO MUCH TYRE ROAR coming into the cabin. What really caught my attention is -according to him- how much quieter and fluid the base 992 was. He had a fair bi to say about the latest PS4's.. I really want to drive one and judge for myself. Maybe this is the car to make me fall in love with 911s again? I have not had that feeling since i sold my 964 c2 and 993 c2s nearly 10 years ago.

I followed a 992 GTS along an admittedly appalling stretch of road the other day and I could see the car was literally hopping between the bumps and potholes - must have felt awful. It also looked sooo wide - I wouldn’t want to drive one down the local lanes. Great on a track and the autobahn I’m sure but a compromised experience in the real world I fear.

elisered said: I followed a 992 GTS along an admittedly appalling stretch of road the other day and I could see the car was literally hopping between the bumps and potholes - must have felt awful. It also looked sooo wide - I wouldn’t want to drive one down the local lanes. Great on a track and the autobahn I’m sure but a compromised experience in the real world I fear. Any small sports car, GT or whatever you want to call it is a real world, drive-every-day compromise.

The problem is UK roads I can say from experience that a base car, on standard suspension, smaller wheels, and low noise tyres, will be markedly more compliant and enjoyable more of the time.

Well on the tyres, I am going to try out the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S's and see how they compare noise wise. The Pirelli P Zeros have been hard wearing and provided excellent grip too, I have seen a lateral 2G on the G-sensor on the screen with the P Zeros, that is more than enough to worry most passengers. When I was thinking about replacing my previous car (a Model S- it was fine as long as I didn't want to go anywhere), I was thinking about a new manual Golf GTi with a 2l Petrol/ cloth seats engine to wizz around the place. I still think they are quite a "cool" option. I certainly prefer a basic GTi with cloth seats to a Golf R. I am a car restorer when not at work and I was thinking about the values and effort and cost in restoring the 60's SWB 911s. They are now quite collectable. People like Magnus Walker talk about the "pure" driving experience of even the humble 130 bhp 2.0l models, so I though why dont I just by the cheapest new 911 instead and get a car with a warranty, just like the guy who bought one new in 1968? and it turned out to be a good decision for me. Edited by politeperson on Tuesday 4th July 18:07

politeperson said: Edited by politeperson on Sunday 2nd July 20:29 I like it!

Geneve said: The problem is UK roads I can say from experience that a base car, on standard suspension, smaller wheels, and low noise tyres, will be markedly more compliant and enjoyable more of the time. As an everyday drive? Except when others want to race you, you have too much stuff to fit in the tiny boot, you have a sore lower back and dropping into/out of the seat is agony. In heavy rain you get hit by the wash from every other car and motorway driving in the rain in a 911 is a nightmare, forget about it in proper snow etc etc. Other than that, the base Carrera does a good impression of a go-cart most of the time and is fun.

Must say I had a different experience in my test drive of a 992gts pdk. I found the car very composed and comfortable down a local country road but it left me cold as a bit too sanitised, it just didn’t wow me. But only had the car for a hour so, so not really a fair judgement

GT4P said: Must say I had a different experience in my test drive of a 992gts pdk. I found the car very composed and comfortable down a local country road but it left me cold as a bit too sanitised, it just didn’t wow me. But only had the car for a hour so, so not really a fair judgement Driven a few 992 gts and ride was fine but agree quite sanitised .

Thankyou for posting about your experience. I've been looking at Porsches for sale daily, with the intention of chopping my S4 Avant in for a two car solution, something economical for work and to carry the dog, and then a second car for the weekends and Euro trips, a Porsche being at the top of the list. I've looked at 997 GT3s, 991 Carrera T's, 991 GTS because I thought that was necessary, however I'm now going to take a look at the 991 and 992 base Carrera and see if that offers me enough. Something that I wouldn't have considered doing before reading this thread. Ofcourse I do still think that the above options may be more 'special' for those occasions, but I'm going to give the base model a try.

prefer the small wheels but like PCCB... what to do?

HokumPokum said: prefer the small wheels but like PCCB... what to do? Agree with you about PCCBs, they definitely improve tide & handling - but it would be interesting to know what the unsprung weight difference is between a base 992 on 19/20s and smaller steels and 20/21s on the bigger steels.

Sorry, but for me Sport Chromo package is definately necessary. Without it you are obviously missing the sports plus mode, the sport response button as well as launch control. In standard setup the 992 is just dull. I generally use sport mode as default as improves sound and responsiveness whilst being able to drive around towns/villages without drawing much attention, but as soon as the buildings vanish then sports mode is used instantly. I get that you could use 'sport' and it will kick down, but its just not the same. Its really nowhere near the same, and the faffing around the the system to change the chassis setting manually must be annoying when you have the stereo on or satnav. I don't really use launch control, nor the sport response button, but maybe there is a time and place for the latter which I just haven't come across as yet. To be, its one of the first boxes ticked, and will certainly be again when I spec the 992.2.

Koln-RS said: HokumPokum said: prefer the small wheels but like PCCB... what to do? Agree with you about PCCBs, they definitely improve tide & handling - but it would be interesting to know what the unsprung weight difference is between a base 992 on 19/20s and smaller steels and 20/21s on the bigger steels. Not enough to make the slightest bit of difference to 99% of people, especially when you factor in the smaller and lighter wheels.

franki68 said: GT4P said: Must say I had a different experience in my test drive of a 992gts pdk. I found the car very composed and comfortable down a local country road but it left me cold as a bit too sanitised, it just didn’t wow me. But only had the car for a hour so, so not really a fair judgement ... but agree quite sanitised . That's the 992 for you...

I never have to press any buttons, I just drive it. If I want to change down 2 gears I just stab the throttle and its done before you can think about it. I suspect the mode buttons just prime the vessel without increasing the sperm count, if you know what I mean (thanks rennlist). If Fangio doesn't need to twiddle knobs then I dont either.

politeperson said: I never have to press any buttons, I just drive it. If I want to change down 2 gears I just stab the throttle and its done before you can think about it. I suspect the mode buttons just prime the vessel without increasing the sperm count, if you know what I mean (thanks rennlist). If Fangio doesn't need to twiddle knobs then I dont either. As great as the 992 is, it's still the least analogue 911 ever. I'm sure Fangio did more than stab the throttle to change down two gears

politeperson said: I never have to press any buttons, I just drive it. If I want to change down 2 gears I just stab the throttle and its done before you can think about it. I suspect the mode buttons just prime the vessel without increasing the sperm count, if you know what I mean (thanks rennlist). If Fangio doesn't need to twiddle knobs then I dont either. But that’s exactly what sport plus is doing, Ie making the car be constantly in the perfect range skin to like being driven like Fangio, so to me your anology misses the mark. I could get it if you were advocating a manual gearbox as you then truelly control matters, but with certain downsides I personally didn’t want.

I have a base 992, with a few extra's, Gentian Blue, glass sun roof, parking assist, retracting wing mirrors and that's about it. Agree about the speed, it's plenty fast enough with PDK assistance. Saying that I've just put a deposit down for a GTS as the one thing I miss with the base car is a manual gear box but now after reading here and watching that video by Joe Achilles about the GTS issues with the terrible state of UK roads I'm not sure where I should have just plumped for the Carrera T? The T has the larger wheels (larger than the base Carerra) but doesn't seem to have the handling issues on UK roads that the GTS has but my only concern and this is likely to be a stupid concern is the T's smaller lightweight battery and stop/start in traffic. Edited by Northcote67 on Thursday 6th July 08:51

You could always switch stop start off when you get in the car, it’s the first thing I do after starting the engine

Northcote67 said: I have a base 992, with a few extra's, Gentian Blue, glass sun roof, parking assist, retracting wing mirrors and that's about it. Agree about the speed, it's plenty fast enough with PDK assistance. Saying that I've just put a deposit down for a GTS as the one thing I miss with the base car is a manual gear box but now after reading here and watching that video by Joe Achilles about the GTS issues with the terrible state of UK roads I'm not sure where I should have just plumped for the Carrera T? The T has the larger wheels (larger than the base Carerra) but doesn't seem to have the handling issues on UK roads that the GTS has but my only concern and this is likely to be a stupid concern is the T's smaller lightweight battery and stop/start in traffic. Edited by Northcote67 on Thursday 6th July 08:51 I’ve had my GTS since February and tbh I love it and find the ride fine particularly after dropping the tyre pressures down to comfort (29 psi front/32 rear I think). I’ve never driven a lightweight pack GTS, as Joe did, but it does sound like it has a detrimental effect on daily usability - less sound deadening, rear seat removal and buckets - I may be totally wrong of course.

GT4P said: You could always switch stop start off when you get in the car, it’s the first thing I do after starting the engine My favourites button on the steering wheel is set for turning off stopstart

GT4P said: You could always switch stop start off when you get in the car, it’s the first thing I do after starting the engine This is an argument for sport chrono. You can have the individual setting on the dial to have start-stop off. I have mine exactly like this just with the exhaust set to sport too. Three clicks on the dial on startup and you are sorted. Saves lots of messing about in the on screen menus.

2 clicks more than me then

9k rpm said: GT4P said: You could always switch stop start off when you get in the car, it’s the first thing I do after starting the engine This is an argument for sport chrono. You can have the individual setting on the dial to have start-stop off. I have mine exactly like this just with the exhaust set to sport too. Three clicks on the dial on startup and you are sorted. Saves lots of messing about in the on screen menus. Two button-clicks on a 991.2.

Dixy said: GT4P said: You could always switch stop start off when you get in the car, it’s the first thing I do after starting the engine My favourites button on the steering wheel is set for turning off stopstart Mine on the wheel is to skip back on the audio and the customisable toggle on the dash is to turn on parking sensors (sometimes I want them when not reversing). I do wish Porsche gave you 6 custom buttons like BMW in my old F82 M4.

Maxym said: Two button-clicks on a 991.2. If you’re coordinated enough to stick out both your index and middle finger simultaneously, you can reduce it to one click. I don’t beat myself up if I have to do it in 2 clicks though.

politeperson said: I was trying to explain to someone the other day how difficult it is to average 100km/h for 10 hours on the roads! I got 4 tickets. What a great read! I'm a big fan of base 911 C2, as I have one myself. Although a 997.1. Mine is also very, very sparsely specced. You can read about it in my readers car thread , if you want. Like yours, mine gets used a lot and has currently 340'000 km (210'000 miles) on the clock. It truly seams basic C2 often get more use than highly specced, top of the line ones. This was one of the best high speed long distance runs I did in mine. All across Switzerland to Saint Tropez for a new years party. This includes a larger section of the route Napoleon and the route départementale into Saint Tropez itself. Not many cars can return almost 30 mpg over 460 miles driven @ almost 80 mph ETA: In the real world, any C2 of the watercooled area is more than fast enough for just about any kind of road driving. Sure, the old manual and N/A cars aren't that fast 0-60, but in gear times and top speed are still pretty good, even today. A good friend of mine has the complete opposit 997 to mine: 997.2 Targa 4S with PDK and just about every option you could spec back then, including cooled seats for instance. They both are black on black cars, so look like the same car to a non car guy. But what a difference it makes driving them. And because he isn't really what can be described as an enthusiastic driver, every time we went for a drive, I was way faster than him. I much prefer my base C2, tbh. Also his is a pampered garage queen Edited by Filibuster on Friday 7th July 10:04

Couple of thoughts… The start/stop is nothing to be concerned about, with the chrono pack it doesn’t really feel like three clicks to use individual mode, you just spin it clockwise, one movement, the added benefit is you can also have sports exhaust turned on at the same time. I had a 992 Carrera S before my current 4GTS and whilst there was 12 months gap between them, I really wouldn’t say the ride in the GTS is significantly harder/worse than the S, things are stiffer but that’s the point. There is one bit of concrete road, you know the stuff from the 60’s, where I live and that’s pretty dreadful, but it is in any car and gives me the reason to go the back country lanes instead. In the end, is any optional extra actually *needed* in the true sense of the word? No, I don’t think so, a base model is an incredible car, which I I think is the OP’s point… But similarly, extra bells and whistles bring extra, the question is if they are worth the money and that’s a personal choice.

Quite right its all personal choice and at the end of the day I like all the Porsches I have ever driven. On the subject of the stop start button, I hate it. I wish I could just turn it off. I do not drive in cities, what is the point of it? Sometimes it turns off the engine when the oil hasn't even reached 40 degrees C. I must get round to doing the short-cut button. I took Mr Achilles advice and swapped the Pirellis for Michelins this afternoon as I was getting close on the last set (they had 15,000 miles on them). The cost for a set of 4 seems to be about £300 more for the Michelins @£1,100 for the Michelins. The rears were £350 each. Don't let anyone tell you (especially a Porsche salesman or a Rennlister) the standard C2 alloys are small. They are flippin huge. The difference in rear tyre roar was immediately apparent as suggested. I would say it is now less than 50%. Good result. The empty wheel wells reminded me how exposed the turbos are behind the rear wheels. They get well splashed! This does not seen to affect them though Easy to remove too as very accessible. I was doing a job next to a scrap yard the other day. I decided to weigh the Porsche in (joke). I had forgotten the front was full of Citroen SM parts. I am doing that one one on another thread. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... With a full tank of fuel (60l) therefore she weighs 1,485kgs 3,275lbs. The nice man on the weighbridge says his scales are accurate. For comparison, I looked up a GT3 RS@1,450kgs 3,196 lbs and the 992 Carrera S at 1,606 kgs 3,450lbs. I guess my pov. spec makes it fit into the range towards to lower end of the weight scale. Edited by politeperson on Friday 7th July 16:00 Edited by politeperson on Friday 7th July 16:02

That’s a good pic of the exposed turbo on your car. Whilst it may be accessible for maintenance I expect a few years down the line the corrosion (or potential damage by road debris) on the peripheral parts will be a nightmare for any mechanic. Porsche in the past 10-15 years have been using very poor quality materials that corrode too easily, that combined with little under engine covers lets deterioration set in much sooner than other cars. E.g. my 23 year old Polo GTI has never needed radiator nor ac condensor despite doing the same work as my Porches , which have needed replacements due to low quality materials. Great cars but Porsche needs to pull their socks up re longevity…now braced for flaming by fan boys. Cheers.

Polome said: That’s a good pic of the exposed turbo on your car. Whilst it may be accessible for maintenance I expect a few years down the line the corrosion (or potential damage by road debris) on the peripheral parts will be a nightmare for any mechanic. Porsche in the past 10-15 years have been using very poor quality materials that corrode too easily, that combined with little under engine covers lets deterioration set in much sooner than other cars. E.g. my 23 year old Polo GTI has never needed radiator nor ac condensor despite doing the same work as my Porches , which have needed replacements due to low quality materials. Great cars but Porsche needs to pull their socks up re longevity…now braced for flaming by fan boys. Cheers. Totally agree - shocking location to have zero protection. Mind you, it’s a Good excuse for me to keep changing my cars every few years for new ones

Grantstown said: Maxym said: Two button-clicks on a 991.2. If you’re coordinated enough to stick out both your index and middle finger simultaneously, you can reduce it to one click. I don’t beat myself up if I have to do it in 2 clicks though. True! Tbh I rarely use either.

erics said: i had a 992 gts for a short time. I HATED the ride on UK roads. Completely wooden. It had the standard PASM -10mm which i would delete if i had to do it again. The very interesting about Joe is that he drove the GTS recently and came to the same conclusion as me: too compromised a ride and FAR TOO MUCH TYRE ROAR coming into the cabin. What really caught my attention is -according to him- how much quieter and fluid the base 992 was. He had a fair bi to say about the latest PS4's.. I really want to drive one and judge for myself. Maybe this is the car to make me fall in love with 911s again? I have not had that feeling since i sold my 964 c2 and 993 c2s nearly 10 years ago. I think an early 996 is worth trying. I lot in this thread I think comes down to super low profile tyres on the bigger wheels compared to not quite super low profile on the smaller setup. My 981 came with 20 inch and then I ran 19 and now I'm using 18 with more skinny than OEM tyres. Looking back the 20 inch were awful. Just too stiff and unforgiving. Car is now much more flowing and just better. But its still numb compared to my modified 996 which just chitter chatters constantly. Totally different cars but both great in their own way. Both cars only have about 300 bhp. 981 probably faster because you don't need to do anything just point the wheel and press pedals. I'd agree that sport mode is required when pressing on because without it the gear changes are far too lethargic. But maybe with turbos you don't need to be swapping cogs and keeping revs high. Also I think a lot of tyre wear is caused by toe in at the rear. So tyres are both pointing in towards centre. So in effect the rears are constantly pushing against each other. A geo can dial out some of that and give you a more zero toe setup. Generally fronts always look unused when rears are shot. This can't be down to rwd only. Most cars out the box run almost zero toe front with a bit on the rear. First thing I notice after driving a mid engine 981 or 986 for a while and then switch to a 996 is the way the car doesn't want to turn on the throttle. If driving along and turning slightly and you apply throttle you feel the nose lighten and car straightens up. This constant direction change based on throttle input is what defines the 996 for me. With each generation after they dial this out and make the car more neutral. So if you want drama you need an earlier car in my opinion. I appreciate both. If I want a simple easy no fuss drive I take the 981. It is easy to drive and can still excite if you lean on it. Soft suspension with soft tyre walls and soft brake pedal make it so easy to use but it doesn't talk to you. If I want constant drama at any speed - which includes 30mph - I take the 996. Lightweight flywheel, on / off clutch, heavy steering, rock hard brake pedal, loud exhaust and stiffer lowered suspension. Its impossible to relax.