Caymen R until 991 GT3 ? - Page 5 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

Recently sold a 997 GT3 Clubsport to fund a 991 GT3 due Dec . Already missing not having a special car . Today I've been offered a low mileage white manual cayman R for mid to high 30,s . Buckets and Spyder wheels . I'm tempted to jump into it for the next 4 months .....thoughts . 1) Will it be a huge let down after 997 ? 2) Will it be a hard sell in Dec ? Crystal ball time I know but just after some opinions .

1: no it's a better road car than your 997 (well a CAYMAN is), you won't want to part with it. 2: you should make a tidy sum if you are buying mid 30's as most are well over 40k now, there is only 1 for sale at a OPC and that's £45k Edited by mrdemon on Friday 12th September 21:58

Agreed - to a point. The R is like a toy compared to a GT3 but in a good way. It will be a laugh a minute and no financial risk.

You think a 997 Clubspprt makes a good road car lol.

Get the Cayman R, that way when the 991 arrives you'll have enjoyed your appetiser & be ready to be stunned by your main course ;-)

GT3cs said: Recently sold a 997 GT3 Clubsport to fund a 991 GT3 due Dec . Already missing not having a special car . Today I've been offered a low mileage white manual cayman R for mid to high 30,s . Buckets and Spyder wheels . I'm tempted to jump into it for the next 4 months .....thoughts . 1) Will it be a huge let down after 997 ? 2) Will it be a hard sell in Dec ? Crystal ball time I know but just after some opinions . Are you sure you're missing a special car ? 😉 I considered a Cayman R and Definately a good stop gap. Who knows you may actually enjoy it so much you keep it. I'm sure others have. PS I'm loving the gt3

fakko63 said: I considered a Cayman R and Definately a good stop gap. Who knows you may actually enjoy it so much you keep it. I'm sure others have. PS I'm loving the gt3 Pleased your enjoying it . Even more so now I wish I could have afforded to keep both !

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mrdemon said: 1: no it's a better road car than your 997 (well a CAYMAN is), you won't want to part with it. 2: you should make a tidy sum if you are buying mid 30's as most are well over 40k now, there is only 1 for sale at a OPC and that's £45k Edited by mrdemon on Friday 12th September 21:58 Just noticed the error . Don't appear to be able to edit the title . Doh .

GT3cs said: Well that turned out to be an expensive decision going to OPC to change my wheels back to standard finish on my Nov build 991 GT3 Mint 10,000m Caymen R had just been dropped off . Manual , PSE , Buckets , Spyder Wheels , A/c , bi xenon s and some other bits and bobs . Topped off with 2 yr warranty . Bought as a stop gap until 991 GT3 arrives . Would love to keep both but likely this will be going up for sale Dec ..... Edited by GT3cs on Saturday 13th September 12:58 Has all the right spec I think Paul so good purchase plus the warranty will still have longevity for the new owner which makes it attractive as the gt3 you sold me has. Cayman R's have a good following so never a bad trade also you have it In the best colour scheme. Have to say having seen your garage both would look awesome if you could possibly keep the two. Great combo

fakko63 said: Has all the right spec I think Paul so good purchase plus the warranty will still have longevity for the new owner which makes it attractive as the gt3 you sold me has. Cayman R's have a good following so never a bad trade also you have it In the best colour scheme. Have to say having seen your garage both would look awesome if you could possibly keep the two. Great combo Cheers , Having the 2 together for at least a couple of months is very appealing . Maybe even try and get the other half to keep this instead of her current wheels . This has all come from changing the wheels to silver then back to titanium !!!

Well that turned out to be an expensive decision going to OPC to change my wheels back to standard finish on my Nov build 991 GT3 Mint 10,000m CaymAn R had just been dropped off . Manual , PSE , Buckets , Spyder Wheels , A/c , bi xenon s and some other bits and bobs . Topped off with 2 yr warranty . Bought as a stop gap until 991 GT3 arrives . Would love to keep both but likely this will be going up for sale Dec ..... Edited by GT3cs on Saturday 13th September 12:58 Edited by GT3cs on Saturday 13th September 19:26

anonymous said: [redacted] Message received and understood :-) It's much easier when it's just numbers to deal with. . Edited by GT3cs on Saturday 13th September 19:29

Let's us know how you get on with it . As I said its a car I considered before I bought your gt3 so i think we share similar tastes in cars. Good luck with it mate

GT3cs said: Well that turned out to be an expensive decision going to OPC to change my wheels back to standard finish on my Nov build 991 GT3 Mint 10,000m CaymAn R had just been dropped off . Manual , PSE , Buckets , Spyder Wheels , A/c , bi xenon s and some other bits and bobs . Topped off with 2 yr warranty . Bought as a stop gap until 991 GT3 arrives . Would love to keep both but likely this will be going up for sale Dec ..... Edited by GT3cs on Saturday 13th September 12:58 Edited by GT3cs on Saturday 13th September 19:26 Very nice. Just needs the wheels changing to silver.

GT3cs said: Well that turned out to be an expensive decision going to OPC to change my wheels back to standard finish on my Nov build 991 GT3 Mint 10,000m CaymAn R had just been dropped off . Manual , PSE , Buckets , Spyder Wheels , A/c , bi xenon s and some other bits and bobs . Topped off with 2 yr warranty . Bought as a stop gap until 991 GT3 arrives . Would love to keep both but likely this will be going up for sale Dec ..... te] Awesome :-) that will sell fast when you want to move it on. Could do with a geo, bar that enjoy the car.

How much camber and caster adjustment do you have ?

MMMM.. After market top mounts etc availiable?

Very envious GT3cs - please let us know when you are selling the CR as sounds a cracker...

I had 2 996 GT3 s and sold my last Mk2 for a Cayman R Man box Buckets Spyder wheels Pse Chrono and absolutly love it to bits much nicer road car than a GT3 for road. Since i bought mine good low milers with similar spec are selling for 3 k more than7 months ago when i purchsed mine . So not only a outstanding car its one of the best drivers Porsches i have owned and i have had 10 Its going up in value. Happy days. Wont be selling anytime soon in the future.

So I stumbled across a delivery miles 991 GT3 today and now think I may have to part with my CR. White, manual s/s, black spiders, buckets, ac, etc. had just renewed warranty and 4700 miles. Best sell privately or try jzm, 911v etc?

986S987R said: So I stumbled across a delivery miles 991 GT3 today and now think I may have to part with my CR. White, manual s/s, black spiders, buckets, ac, etc. had just renewed warranty and 4700 miles. Best sell privately or try jzm, 911v etc? JZM seem to have a big following

Mermaid said: JZM seem to have a big following Thanks - will give them a try.

Called into OPC today to have a look at a GT2 RS they have in and checked build status on the GT3 while there . Now confirmed 5/11 so time to start thinking about selling the Cayman R . It's only been 4 weeks but grown really attached to the car . Great Daily Driver and perfect car for the rural area I live in . Going to do some sums over the weekend to see I can find a way to keep both . But just incase I can't there may be a fantastic spec low mileage R coming to market late Oct ,early Nov with 23 month Porsche Warranty. The car is that good OPC have offered what I gave them to have the car back . PM me if anyone is looking .

Here it is hiding behind a plant in OPC !

Steve Rance said: How much camber and caster adjustment do you have ? Steve, you knew the answer to this. As standard, front max -1.5, rear max 2.5. Designed by Porsche not to compete with the GT3. But this is becoming a very big car ... And the Cayman will have it's day In the spirit of the 964RS ..

986S987R said: Thanks - will give them a try. Looks like you had success with George Mackay . Is the GT3 secured .

mrdemon said: You think a 997 Clubspprt makes a good road car lol. Of course. The perfect car for any occasion

GT3cs said: Looks like you had success with George Mackay . Is the GT3 secured . JZM guys really helpful - can understand all the good comments on here. But not so convenient for me. Andrew at George Mackay brilliant. Would highly recommend them, did a great job selling car for good price quickly. And if the new owner is on here you have got a great well loved car! Did have second thoughts when handing over the keys. But then the racing yellow GT3 arrived.... :-)

Dr S said: Of course. The perfect car for any occasion 100% agreed which is why I sold my 996RS to get back in one. Y'day drove mine 2hrs in sheer comfort to a track day, turned all the track paraphernalia on and had a hoot for 5 hours then drove it 2hrs back again. Oh and picked up some food at the supermarket on the way home, How can that not be the perfect car for any occasion? OP have you sold the Cayman yet?

Scooty100 said: Y'day drove mine 2hrs in sheer comfort to a track day, turned all the track paraphernalia on and had a hoot for 5 hours then drove it 2hrs back again. Oh and picked up some food at the supermarket on the way home, Hope she performed well . Which track. ? scooty100 said: OP have you sold the Cayman yet? Give me a chance . It's only been up for sale for 16hrs ! ( still not 100% sure I'm not just going to keep it as my daily driver.! )

GT3cs said: Give me a chance . It's only been up for sale for 16hrs ! ( still not 100% sure I'm not just going to keep it as my daily driver.! ) Faultlessly as I thought it would knowing its 'pedigree' Just spotted the cayman looks great and very desirable in manual too. Funny that garage looks vaguely familiar :-)

GT3cs said: Give me a chance . It's only been up for sale for 16hrs ! ( still not 100% sure I'm not just going to keep it as my daily driver.! ) Would it not be easier all round to just give it back to the dealer if they are willing to give you what you paid for it only a few weeks ago?

Keep it you will def miss it, or sell it now and forget how well the steering feels Befor you get the new one.:-) My mate would buy it but it's about a month to soon for him Great spec car thoug. Rare with xenons but then no leather. Cannot have it all. I miss xenons but have leather , not many cars with every thing. Has it got the SS ? Cheap to fit if not.

mrdemon said: Keep it you will def miss it, or sell it now and forget how well the steering feels Befor you get the new one.:-) My mate would buy it but it's about a month to soon for him Great spec car thoug. Rare with xenons but then no leather. Cannot have it all. I miss xenons but have leather , not many cars with every thing. Has it got the SS ? Cheap to fit if not. I'll be hunting for an R in a years time , I'm sure . What is SS ? Exhaust ? If so yes has PSE . Agreed a sale today although deposit not cleared yet , so haven't removed ad. I'm really not fussed if it doesn't sell . I'll just need to clear the other side of the garage out !

Short shift, Car was always going to sell very fast in that spec.

So car sold ???

Scooty100 said: So car sold ??? I think so

anonymous said: [redacted] I didn't know that re the gear ratios being the same on the 981.

yes they are still too long but the GT3 is 85mph in 2nd the 981 82 mph the R is 76mph

Dan911 said: I think so Nice one Dan good purchase from GT3cs too no doubt.

mrdemon said: yes they are still too long but the GT3 is 85mph in 2nd the 981 82 mph the R is 76mph One advantage on the road with these very long ratios is that there should be less chance of accidental over revs driving below the legal limit :lol:

Scooty100 said: Nice one Dan good purchase from GT3cs too no doubt. Thanks... Fell in love with the car the minute I saw it. Had not thought about a White one.. Flew up Thursday, long drive back to Surrey.. It feels like a mini (996) GT3 (bold statment I know). I'll post some pics up when I get a minute. Thanks to everyone saying how good the CR's are..

Anyone selling a CR soon PM me

986S987R said: JZM guys really helpful - can understand all the good comments on here. But not so convenient for me. Andrew at George Mackay brilliant. Would highly recommend them, did a great job selling car for good price quickly. And if the new owner is on here you have got a great well loved car! Did have second thoughts when handing over the keys. But then the racing yellow GT3 arrived.... :-) Did you buy the racing yellow?

Dan911 said: Thanks... Fell in love with the car the minute I saw it. Had not thought about a White one.. Flew up Thursday, long drive back to Surrey.. It feels like a mini (996) GT3 (bold statment I know). I'll post some pics up when I get a minute. Thanks to everyone saying how good the CR's are.. I love GT3 converts ;-), now get a good geo and some good tyres on it :-)

Alpinestars said: Did you buy the racing yellow? Yes! Ridiculously awesome....

mrdemon said: yes they are still too long but the GT3 is 85mph in 2nd the 981 82 mph the R is 76mph Er, the R has a maximum rotational speed of 7,500rpm The mk2 996 GT3 (I believe that is the 2nd gear speed you quote above for) has a maximum rotational speed of 8,200rpm If the R revved to 8,200rpm it would b travelling at 83mph Hardly a gulf of a difference.

A option to switch the rear axle ratio would be handy.

midnightyellow said: Yes! Ridiculously awesome.... Congrats! Let's compare pics.

anonymous said: [redacted] it's about owning both cars and finding that for me and the roads I use that extra speed was hard to get too, the GT3 engine sweet spot is much higer up the rev range, it's not about 2nd gear, it's more about reving out in 3rd on B roads was not really possible. the GT3 is 116 mph, my R 104 mph, but where you don't need to rev the R out to the max , in the GT3 you wanted to rev it out. I see Jack has also decided to NOT use his GT3 as a every day car now and has a shorter ratio GTS to use ;-) SO as you can see it's nothing to do with magazines, it's all about my OWN experiences and what I like and how I found the GT3 frustrating, please accept it :-)

anonymous said: [redacted] I make a point in knowing all the facts before I post and keep road and track data sheets of all these cars, ratio's and speed in gear is not the same, at the end of the day the 981 does 82 mph in 2nd gear which is more than the 987.2 cars do, that's a FACT, I don't have time atm to post 3rd gear speeds as I need to earn some dosh :-) the other fact is a 997.1(x50) c2S is faster to UK legal speeds than a 997.1 GT3 RS The 991 GT3 only does 102 in 3rd which is a hugh reason it posts such fast times to the ton. ALl these cars have way to long ratio's and while the 987.2 is still too long the speeds are the smallest of the 3 cars, (GT3 and 981) even PDK is too long in 2nd gear, but is about spot on in 3rd. (74mph from memory for a 981 PDK in 2nd)

I must admit I never think about gear ratios when I am driving my car, I just spank the s t out of it and hear it sing!

anonymous said: [redacted] all I state is the 981 does more mph in gear and when the 987.2 already does 76 to go to 82 is even worse. THe GT3 being even worse again !!! that is a FACT ;-) The magazines are only just stating now what I have been taking about for 2 + years, every review now says 981 to long a gear ratio !!! ABout time they took note to my posts 2 years ago ;-) shame they don't talk about GT3 in gear speeds yet !!! Edited by mrdemon on Monday 17th November 16:33

V8KSN said: I must admit I never think about gear ratios when I am driving my car, I just spank the s t out of it and hear it sing! & if not right, I just change my car (or the rear axle)

anonymous said: [redacted] one is forced to go down the PDK route to get the better ratio's yes, that again is a FACT ;-)

Mermaid said: & if not right, I just change my car (or the rear axle) ...Or just get out of your armchair and go find some great driving roads My 987.1 RS60 Spyder as tested at c.7000 rpm (may differ from paper): 1st: 30 2nd: 72 3rd: 99 Do I ever drive like this? No, never LOL. I just find some great B roads and drop to the right gear for the right road / bend with the right level of torque for that moment in time. I find the gearing perfect.

V8KSN said: I must admit I never think about gear ratios when I am driving my car, I just spank the s t out of it and hear it sing! This ^ And even if I do think about them, it doesn't make blind bit of difference, you work with what you've got. Whining about gear/final drive ratios is akin to going out with a short fat, blonde chick but thinking "I wish she were a tall, thin brunette".

each to their own but that's how I feel about them and any who does not agree is entitled to have their own opinion :-) All well and good saying find a nice B road but when a nice B Road ave speed is 85mph which most are in the UK if you are on it, then it puts you in no mans land in 3rd gear in a Gt3 and hence why it was sold, the 981 I think I would also find frustrating 118mph in 3rd gear in a 981, where my Spyder an R is 104mph so when you state 104 is equal to 118 mph that is deluded :-) I never bought the R for it's ratios, I bought the R as I was pissed off with the GT3 and then the M3, SO I bought the hard top v of my Spyder as it's about the only car I liked driving. these are pain facts, yuo are stating black is white atm !!!

mrdemon said: ... All well and good saying find a nice B road but when a nice B Road ave speed is 85mph which most are in the UK if you are on it, then it puts you in no mans land in 3rd gear in a Gt3 .... Funny how opinions differ. If the average speed on a nice A/B road was around 85 mph I would find the GT3's third gear perfect - peak torque in 3rd is somewhere around 55mph and top speed is 120, so 85 mph is right in the middle of a nice big zone from 5000rpm to 8400rpm.

braddo said: Funny how opinions differ. If the average speed on a nice A/B road was around 85 mph I would find the GT3's third gear perfect - peak torque in 3rd is somewhere around 55mph and top speed is 120, so 85 mph is right in the middle of a nice big zone from 5000rpm to 8400rpm. Firmly, hit, nail, head, on, the. Sunny D doth protesteth too much, methinks

braddo said: Funny how opinions differ. If the average speed on a nice A/B road was around 85 mph I would find the GT3's third gear perfect - peak torque in 3rd is somewhere around 55mph and top speed is 120, so 85 mph is right in the middle of a nice big zone from 5000rpm to 8400rpm. deluded if you are driving about in 3rd gear at 55mph and think you are on it !!! for slippy to agree says it all (even though NO one can keep you with him in wales !!) both deluded and blinkered fan boys it seems to post such drivel.

D, I'm not an expert on the 981, but isn't top speed in 3rd just over 100? Can't see anywhere that's it's over 118.

mrdemon said: in a PDK car yes it 103mph, It's very hard to find the 981 manual in gear speeds, 118mph was taken from a member here who owns one. Ah ok.

Alpinestars said: D, I'm not an expert on the 981, but isn't top speed in 3rd just over 100? Can't see anywhere that's it's over 118. in a PDK car yes it 103mph, It's very hard to find the 981 manual in gear speeds, 118mph was taken from a member here who owns one. ALso remember when talking Torque and how drivable a car is the GT3 peak torque is >6k rpm the R peak is down at 4750rpm. Edited by mrdemon on Monday 17th November 19:18

I don't care any way, I sold my car because that's what I found an issue for my driving on the roads round here. It's as simple as that, other people might like not being able to rev out the mezger engine and the owner ship is enough. I found by the time I got the baby singing in 3rd ie > 6k revs it was time to be on the brakes again and 2nd ran out of puff So you are find yourself driving at cira 5k revs in 3rd gear which to me was very frustrating, so I sold it.

mrdemon said: I don't care any way, I sold my car because that's what I found an issue for my driving on the roads round here. It's as simple as that, other people might like not being able to rev out the mezger engine and the owner ship is enough. I found by the time I got the baby singing in 3rd ie > 6k revs it was time to be on the brakes again and 2nd ran out of puff So you are find yourself driving at cira 5k revs in 3rd gear which to me was very frustrating, so I sold it. You say 'Other people may like not being able to rev it out and the ownership is enough - That is a massively skewed view that makes MANY assumptions.

mrdemon said: it's about owning both cars and finding that for me and the roads I use that extra speed was hard to get too, the GT3 engine sweet spot is much higer up the rev range, it's not about 2nd gear, it's more about reving out in 3rd on B roads was not really possible. the GT3 is 116 mph, my R 104 mph, but where you don't need to rev the R out to the max , in the GT3 you wanted to rev it out. I see Jack has also decided to NOT use his GT3 as a every day car now and has a shorter ratio GTS to use ;-) SO as you can see it's nothing to do with magazines, it's all about my OWN experiences and what I like and how I found the GT3 frustrating, please accept it :-) The only reason I stopped using the GT3 is because we adopted another child last year and I need 4 seats to do the school run. Otherwise I'd still be using it. I have to say that even the Powerkitted 3.8 in the GTS feels pretty lacklustre compared to the GT3. I honestly can't see how anyone would chose a boggo 3.4, 3.6 or 3.8 unit, in any guise, over a GT3 unit. Regardless of gearing.

so you'd be holding the car at 3rd gear at circa 85 leptons on an A/B road indefinitely or are you talking about wanting to overtake something at that speed?

cslwannabe said: so you'd be holding the car at 3rd gear at circa 85 leptons on an A/B road indefinitely or are you talking about wanting to overtake something at that speed? do you go and drive B roads ? or have owned a GT3 ? you prob don't drop below 65mph and don't go above about 95mph speed is never constant. I found the GT3 was hard to rev out in 3rd on a Typical B road, ok on the A43 lol but then that's not my idea of a fun drive out. And of course 30mph over any legal speed is a ban so sort of rules out having a A road play. at cira 85mph you are over 2nd gear and at 5k revs in 3rd, I found it frustrating, it's as simple as that. you would not change down to 2nd for a 75mph bend as an example so then the revs are even lower at 4k, you are now >2k away from any real shove. the cars at it's best 6200rpm to red line. that was a rare site for me. which was about 90mph to 120mph and that just does not work in the UK on B roads. these are est figures of course I had the car 2 years ago , but that's why I sold it and give or take how I found it to drive. Right road right day yes awesome, but that was so rare. the Spyder and R are better B road cars to get the most out of, there are many ex GT3 owners in R now who will agree. Yes if you are a Spa or ring person the GT3 will shine and kill most other things, or on UK tracks like Silverstone. But as many GT3 are sold as "never seen a track" I do wonder why those people then love them so much !!! That's my last post on the matter as I have done it to death :-) Edited by mrdemon on Tuesday 18th November 09:22

mrdemon said: braddo said: Funny how opinions differ. If the average speed on a nice A/B road was around 85 mph I would find the GT3's third gear perfect - peak torque in 3rd is somewhere around 55mph and top speed is 120, so 85 mph is right in the middle of a nice big zone from 5000rpm to 8400rpm. deluded if you are driving about in 3rd gear at 55mph and think you are on it !!! for slippy to agree says it all (even though NO one can keep you with him in wales !!) both deluded and blinkered fan boys it seems to post such drivel. Yeah I got it wrong. 55mph and around 5300rpm is 2nd gear, not 3rd. In 3rd, you're somewhere around 70mph at 5000rpm. Which still gives good urge if you're not able to change down to 2nd (which runs out to about 85mph).

It wasn't intended as a windup mrdemon, a genuine question as driving for prolonged periods at 6k+ rpm within a smallish speed window isn't something I'd consider. Even holding on to a gear at 5k+ rpm when I've been interrupted during an overtake for example (but can see another opportunity) feels mechanically 'unsympathetic' to me To answer your questions yes I do go and drive B roads and no I have not owned a GT3, although from by brief test drive of a 996.1 GT3 I found it to have more torque low down than I was expecting. At the speeds you mention even in my humble Boxster I find it has enough grunt without dropping to low gears to apply power and keep the car balanced through corners - maybe I'm just missing the point (not trying to be controntational, just curious). I do understand your point about long gear ratios though as even my 987.1 will do 70+ in 2nd and 100+ in 3rd.

mrdemon said: for slippy to agree says it all (even though NO one can keep you with him in wales !!) both deluded and blinkered fan boys it seems to post such drivel. Grate grammer, whooz using the familee brane sell today ? Remind me Sunny D, when did I say no one can keep up with me in Wales ? So if we're deluded and blinkered fan boys, what exactly does that make you ? Once again the irony is strong with this one mrdemon said: That's my last post on the matter Promise ? mrdemon said: as I have done it to death :-) Ah, finally, we agree on something. ;-) mrdemon said: Edited by mrdemon on Tuesday 18th November 09:22 ^ I thought you'd banned editing posts ?

"I got to be lead gunner in the morning, I thus led down roads I knew fairly well. The only car that managed to keep up with the Manthey GT3 ? The Boxster Spyder (albeit it’s brakes began to fade badly and then the pedal went rather spongy for the rest of the day) " you are so fasssstttt... ;-)

mrdemon said: That's my last post on the matter A poor effort. Must try harder mrdemon said: "I got to be lead gunner in the morning, I thus led down roads I knew fairly well. The only car that managed to keep up with the Manthey GT3 ? The Boxster Spyder (albeit it’s brakes began to fade badly and then the pedal went rather spongy for the rest of the day) " you are so fasssstttt... ;-) Maybe, but I'm happy to admit I'll never be as fast as you in your Cayman. So far from saying no one could keep up with me, what I actually said was the Spyder kept up with me until it's inferior brakes wilted. Not quite the same is it ? As you're forever doing on here, you've got some nonsense into your head and convinced yourself it's a fact Here's a few more Sunny D FACTS : 1. 10K refresh needed on all GT3's, 2. Fingers dirty : PCCB unserviceable, 3. Fingers clean :PCCB's serviceable, 4. 5mm spacers on the front of a CR or Boxster Spyder : Mercedes F1 W05 levels of grip and turn in, 5. GT3 : hopeless road car, 6. 991 GT3 : hopeless road car that crashes of its own accord, 7. 996 GT3 : hopeless road car with no torque, useless gear ratios and hopeless suspension, 8. Gen 2 997 GT3 : good car, 9. Gen 2 997 GT3 with added Sunny D bits, very good car. (Note FACTS 8 & 9 contradict FACT 5) but All the above are still FACTS

mrdemon said: "I got to be lead gunner in the morning, I thus led down roads I knew fairly well. The only car that managed to keep up with the Manthey GT3 ? The Boxster Spyder (albeit it’s brakes began to fade badly and then the pedal went rather spongy for the rest of the day) " you are so fasssstttt... ;-) It's been my upmost pleasure to share many very early morning blasts round NW over the years with our H.. he usually comes equipt packing a Mezger, but on some occasions he's even slummed it in a Bavarian M car H can pedal nearly as well as he can wolf down a full English served by Bala's finest trust me ! I've also had the pleasure of sharing the track with you grandma-d....... ;-) lol

keep it lit said: It's been my upmost pleasure to share many very early morning blasts round NW over the years with our H.. he usually comes equipt packing a Mezger, but on some occasions he's even slummed it in a Bavarian M car H can pedal nearly as well as he can wolf down a full English served by Bala's finest trust me ! You're too kind sir ! ! Alas it's the lure of breakfast being served by Bala's finest belle, rather than any inherent talent behind the wheel on my part, that ensures any vehicles being piloted my myself achieves a decent turn of speed ! I suspect Sunny D may have been piqued by me suggesting that said aforementioned Bavarian M metal spanked the Cayman R when Evo put them head to head along with the speedy hairdresser's choice, another vehicle Sunny D is all too familiar with ........... I've also had the pleasure of sharing the track with you grandma-d....... ;-) lol

Slippydiff said: Maybe, but I'm happy to admit I'll never be as fast as you in your Cayman. So far from saying no one could keep up with me, what I actually said was the Spyder kept up with me until it's inferior brakes wilted. Not quite the same is it ? As you're forever doing on here, you've got some nonsense into your head and convinced yourself it's a fact Here's a few more Sunny D FACTS : 1. 10K refresh needed on all GT3's, 2. Fingers dirty : PCCB unserviceable, 3. Fingers clean :PCCB's serviceable, 4. 5mm spacers on the front of a CR or Boxster Spyder : Mercedes F1 W05 levels of grip and turn in, 5. GT3 : hopeless road car, 6. 991 GT3 : hopeless road car that crashes of its own accord, 7. 996 GT3 : hopeless road car with no torque, useless gear ratios and hopeless suspension, 8. Gen 2 997 GT3 : good car, 9. Gen 2 997 GT3 with added Sunny D bits, very good car. (Note FACTS 8 & 9 contradict FACT 5) but All the above are still FACTS not sure on most of those, 1: 10k refresh is now a under est imo if nothing has been done to one (996). more like 10k on a early 997 now ;-) lets go for 13k on a 996. 2: the ceramic disk starts to delamiate and looks rough, as a extra guide this roughness causes your finger to be a lot blacker than if they are shiny and new 3: you will have some pad deposite on your finger but a worn set really kicks off some dust. 4: I did run 7mm spacers on the front or my Spyder but now I have ajustable LCA's which make the track 18mm wider so no need to use my front spacers now.(turn in is much better with the wider front track) 5: onwards no idea wtf you are talking about lol looks like the Spyder would wip your old GT3 then in PCCB form as my car would out brake yours by quite a margin and never fade on the road :-p You prob ditched the 996 mk1 brakes though as they were also not up to much !! I do think a GT3 with Sunny D bits would be a good car, PASM has no place on a GT3 imo and the RS final drive is far better for the car in the UK. Shame the 997.2 RS are now £170k other wise I would have tried on with a nice set of 3 ways. I still think the R is the perfect road car for the UK and will prob drive/feel better than this new GT4 unless they can nail the steering feel on it.

mrdemon said: 1: 10k refresh is now a under est imo if nothing has been done to one (996). more like 10k on a early 997 now ;-) lets go for 13k on a 996. looks like the Spyder would wip your old GT3 then in PCCB form as my car would out brake yours by quite a margin and never fade on the road :-p You prob ditched the 996 mk1 brakes though as they were also not up to much !! PASM has no place on a GT3 imo and the RS final drive is far better for the car in the UK. I still think the R is the perfect road car for the UK

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Alpinestars said: Congrats! Let's compare pics. I've shown you mine.....