Anyone know this Cayman R? - Page 3 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015... Just wondered if anyone knew this car? Assuming its on SOR with the dealer? Yes I know its got carbon dipped wheels

And maybe a carbon wrapped roof ? Can't tell from the angles...... I believe they've recently knocked £5000 off the asking price (I could be wrong)

that's the car that was up for 37k originally by a private seller, then got flipped within a few days by a dealer for 44k! Now hes taken the private plate off and also dropped the prices 4k. The carbon dipped bits look a bit naff imo and cheapen the look of the car.

Yeah we are at 40k with the dealer but I would have liked the original suspension and was kind of hoping it was tucked away in the back of a garage. Love the colour and spec but I'm a bit busy to be doing loads of work on a newly bought car ie changing wheels and trying to get hold of OEM suspension! The search continues I guess they have rejected a decent offer but I didnt realise they had it on for 44k. Bit optimistic as they were all 35k 6 months back!

Shame it hasn't got PCM. Although I suspect the suspension mods and carbon dipped non-spyder wheels would put a lot of potential purchasers off, hence the price drop.

Beanoir said: Shame it hasn't got PCM. Although I suspect the suspension mods and carbon dipped non-spyder wheels would put a lot of potential purchasers off, hence the price drop. PDK and KW3 puts every one off imo let alone the turbo wheels.

Well im looking for a pdk the other bits are sortable but it doesnt come with the original suspension so that's a bit of a pain.

fridaypassion said: Well im looking for a pdk the other bits are sortable but it doesnt come with the original suspension so that's a bit of a pain. PDK cars come up for sale all the time, just buy another one. Car has to be able to be put to oem spec. Porsche UK have 5 Automatic's on their books atm, easy to buy a PDK car. loving the R OPC prices though £47k :-) Edited by PorscheGT4 on Thursday 11th June 18:17

I agree, it would cost a fortune to put that car back to standard I think, well worth waiting for another car of the right spec.

Yeah I've only really started looking. If I could get in touch with the owner of the red one I would buy it but the dealers wanting too much money. OPC cars lol I've seen this before when I've sold Porsche cars. Does anyone really actually buy them? I guess they must!

fridaypassion said: they were all 35k 6 months back! They certainly wasn't all £35k 6 months ago..........I bought mine in December and looked for four months before that and even the cheapest private sale has been circa £37-£38k+.....OPC cars were circa £40k with the best ones £42k-ish.......that seems to have jumped £5k at the moment.....

Well maybe this time last year last time I had a quick look I offered 38k for the red one I think it was the best offer they will ever get for that car. Keeping a close eye now anyway.

fridaypassion said: Well maybe this time last year last time I had a quick look I offered 38k for the red one I think it was the best offer they will ever get for that car. Keeping a close eye now anyway. Ha! My search took aaaaaaaaaaages; http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... Eventually found mine;

Niiiice!

fridaypassion said: Yeah I've only really started looking. If I could get in touch with the owner of the red one I would buy it but the dealers wanting too much money. OPC cars lol I've seen this before when I've sold Porsche cars. Does anyone really actually buy them? I guess they must! manuals sell straight way with the big 4 options at £45k at OPC's, most people buy from OPC to get the 2 years warranty. they have never been £35k lol

Yeah OPC are on another planet the last Boxster I had in I think was 18k the OPC equivalent was mid 20s just crazy. Stick your 5k in the bank for issues job done.

fridaypassion said: Yeah OPC are on another planet the last Boxster I had in I think was 18k the OPC equivalent was mid 20s just crazy. Stick your 5k in the bank for issues job done. I quickly found that my perfect spec either is just not out there or is not for sale. I've checked the classifieds almost every other day since buying mine and I've not seen a single car for sale since that I would have bought over mine. Given that there are only circa 230 UK cars, it's likely that you will have to compromise on something if you actually want to buy a car......

fridaypassion said: Yeah OPC are on another planet the last Boxster I had in I think was 18k the OPC equivalent was mid 20s just crazy. Stick your 5k in the bank for issues job done. I would only let mine go £2k below OPC prices, why sell for less ?

A small data sample on the Rennlist register so far but here are the results: 20 cars registered 9 PDK (45%) 11 Manual (55%) 11 Light weight buckets (55%) 9 Sports seats or after market (45%) 5 Manual with Buckets (45% of Manuals or 25% of all Rs) 7 PDK with Buckets (78% of PDK or 35% of all Rs) Make of it what you want, which some of you no doubt will.

PorscheGT4 said: I would only let mine go £2k below OPC prices, why sell for less ? Well given other none opc dealers cant find a buyer at 5k less id say good luck Im more than willing to comprimise theres was even the blue one with zero options that would have been a good buy but didn't quite do it for me. Maybe as the gt4 orders start coming through the chances of jumping on a px car will increase. Im wary of spending too much as they are possibly at the peak of appreciation which is probably a dumb time to buy but hey ho. There was a nice green one with 15k on the clock I'm sure that one just dropped off auto trader will watch for that going back on. Do still fancy the red one but they just need to sort that price out.

fridaypassion said: Well given other none opc dealers cant find a buyer at 5k less id say good luck Im more than willing to comprimise theres was even the blue one with zero options that would have been a good buy but didn't quite do it for me. Maybe as the gt4 orders start coming through the chances of jumping on a px car will increase. Im wary of spending too much as they are possibly at the peak of appreciation which is probably a dumb time to buy but hey ho. There was a nice green one with 15k on the clock I'm sure that one just dropped off auto trader will watch for that going back on. Do still fancy the red one but they just need to sort that price out. The green one looked nice but that was the third time it had been listed, twice on PH. Even with the fabled Manual, buckets, Black Spyders and only 15k it still didn't sell at circa £38k...........

The red one would cost £8k to get back to R spec !! so even at a deal it would take money to make it a true R and make it resellable with ease. its a very fussy market.

PorscheGT4 said: The red one would cost £8k to get back to R spec !! so even at a deal it would take money to make it a true R and make it resellable with ease. its a very fussy market. What would cost 8k the suspension? The wheels would be no problem but I dread to think how much a set of spyder wheels would be?! Sarnie said: The green one looked nice but that was the third time it had been listed, twice on PH. Even with the fabled Manual, buckets, Black Spyders and only 15k it still didn't sell at circa £38k........... I'm watching for that one I guess its the colour which is so awful I think its actually cool If anyone knows the owner of that one ask him to get in touch!

when that red car was originally up for private sale, it still had all the original kit ready to go back on, so somewhere along the line it all got sold off, no doubt to recompense the private seller to let his car go cheaper than he wanted to the dealer, who then banged 7k on the asking price!! its the car that started my whole 'PDK thread' for us die-hard manualists! If I could have convinced myself I wanted PDK in time and it had been a bit closer to home for a test drive, I might have bought it from the private seller. (I remain un-convinced until I drive one).

PorscheGT4 said: its a very fussy market. Agreed. Why the hell would anyone throw thousands at making it less R? Here's mine out for a drive the other day Brilliant cars these.

Will people please stop posting pics on this thread until I have one! I'm with you on the manual gearbox generally but this would be a sensible daily driver for me so PDK would be first choice.

More photos you say..?

fridaypassion said: Will people please stop posting pics on this thread until I have one! I'm with you on the manual gearbox generally but this would be a sensible daily driver for me so PDK would be first choice. My old Spyder was PDK, it's a great gearbox but I got a bit bored it after a few months, not bored of the manual in the R yet... More pics for you

always up for a pic

Go on then........day I picked it up in Edinburgh

I hate you guys.

Almost ready to press the button on one....just need to agree the price! Edited by fridaypassion on Friday 12th June 19:51

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fridaypassion said: I hate you guys. you can have mine for £44k :-) just have the big 4 year major service and health check done as well. but I guess you are after a 30's some thing car.

Mine can be had for £41k

Whats the spec chaps email [email removed] or through PH system 44k would have to be something pretty special. Anyone got a trade in price from OPC yet? Mid 30s at a guess?

fridaypassion said: Whats the spec chaps email [email removed] or through PH system 44k would have to be something pretty special. Anyone got a trade in price from OPC yet? Mid 30s at a guess? opc will want to see £5k but do have to put 2 years warranty on it, full service and make sure all tyres are 4mm and disks/brakes are ok. trade price depends what the car needs or does not need, they pay retail(lessa few %) for tyres and service from the parts dept. But OPC cars are retailing at £47k I know my OPC would SOR it for not much so seems daft for me to punt it if my OPC will do it for me, but my car has over 4mm tyres and just had the major service with plugs done. spec wise it has every thing. ie the big 5 + leather, booth tooth, bose, aux usb, climate, SS. people want to pay less of course but then they get less spec, I paid top price at the time for it, it will sell top price come sale time. They are what they are I guess. Markets just flooded with PDK's atm as people move to the next best thing PDK 3 electric steering etc . OPC cars is one manual with no leather at £46k

PorscheGT4 said: Beanoir said: Shame it hasn't got PCM. Although I suspect the suspension mods and carbon dipped non-spyder wheels would put a lot of potential purchasers off, hence the price drop. PDK and KW3 puts every one off imo let alone the turbo wheels. When I was looking for a CR I spent some time on here, not so now. Its great to be able to read comments and to give advice to prospective buyers. However, I see every other post from you is how s t CR PDK are and buy something else. The PDK is fantastic as far as I am concerned, more were sold than manuals, but I wont ram it down everyones throat. I am sure all the manuals drivers love theirs as well. I think you've made your point !! just my view.

If the manual gearbox was in such demand the manufacturers wouldnt have dropped it from half of the cars. Even the new GT3RS is PDK only isnt it? If its your only performance car for a weekend drive I would say manual makes sense but if you drive it every day auto is the way to go. For me I'm fortunate to have an Elise for trackdays and that kind of use so a manual R or S would be of no interest to me really or at least it would be a compromise. Theres a testosterone/evo magazine/Forum fueled bias towards manual gearboxes but ultimately its not backed up by sale figures. Obviously the "wrong" people are buying performance cars eh?

DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted. ^this. And personally I don't use sales figures as a judge of what I should buy and drive. As with all these PDK vs manual debates, there is no wrong or right answer, as much as buying a blue is not the wrong colour, just a preference. Can we move on?

DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted. They must be damn good salesmen to get us to spend over 2 grand on something we don't actually want. They are good though - I didn't even notice I was being brainwashed - and I'm well known for being a mean hard sell.

I dont think thats how the free market economy works. If they originally ordered both options and everyone buys a PDK (for more money) how are they twisting anyones hand up their back? Having a manual is the right thing to say on PH but for me having my leg and arm wiggling about unnecessarily in a daily seems a bit pointless. If you want a true pure drivers care you'd be coming to see me to buy a Lotus not driving a 1400 kilo German barge

I'm fortunate enough to live in a temperate climate with absolutely no salt on the roads (the Leicester importer of my 1993 Turbo 3.6 said the mechanic was astounded that there was not a single speck of corrosion on the 21 year old car). That combined with a 9km commute makes it theoretically possible to use a manual CR as my only car, however I chose to go PDK. The PDK CR is faster than a manual in my hands and there's no chance of money shifts on the track. When I feel the need, I strap on my spare pair of unfeasibly large gonads and take my 964 C4 for a spirited B-road drive, because the film 'Driver X' told me it is the character choice over the CR. Right got that off my chest. Is there any chance we can move past the figurative pissing contest where owners spruik their cars as the only one to own, yet are looking to sell them? I'd like to hear more about ownership experiences. I hope that doesn't take too many years to eventuate. The 964 owner boards are well past the 'my car is better than yours' stage in model appreciation.

Oh almost forgot I've got one sorted thanks to a nice gent that got in touch through PH. Controversial but its not an R but a rather special S PDK. Got a week to wait to pick up ill update when she lands Will still be keeping an eye open for an R so if anyone is looking at selling one do still drop me a line.

you sound suspiciously like a car dealer FP? to the two guys who mentioned selling, what colours are your cars? Could be interested depending on spec and colour.

he is ;-) dealers do tend to only want to buy the cheapest cars and seem to bulk at retail values.

MJ911 said: you sound suspiciously like a car dealer FP? to the two guys who mentioned selling, what colours are your cars? Could be interested depending on spec and colour. Both Peridot IIRC............

MJ911 said: you sound suspiciously like a car dealer FP? to the two guys who mentioned selling, what colours are your cars? Could be interested depending on spec and colour. I'm a Lotus specialist. This search was purely personal although its unearthed a couple of cars I would take in. I can point you the way of a white manual with 27k on the clock, right options £41k Other one was sold before I could get to it. I bet the chap with the green one on autotrader will relist that on the day I pick mine up! I dont have any Porsche cars myself to sell. There was no way I would be paying 45k for one but my market radar super sense was pinging that 45k was just too much. low 40s for a top one with very low miles sure. I've paid more for my one than any specialist dealer would have done but not many private punters have 30-40k to do a deal on a car either. Cant wait to pick up anyway

Interesting FP, so you rate the Cayman over some of the Lotus models? Evora and suchlike? I really should get myself into some of the Lotus models as my only experience of them was a pax ride on track in an Elise and that was a nippy little rocket. Thanks for the offer on info on the white one. Tempting, though my hearts set on a red one even if a long wait. May still end up in a white one. Just off on a big euro tour in my air cooled 911 so will have to delay my search and see if I really want to replace the classic Porsche for a modern one! Not sure I could face leaving one or other outside the garage so its probably one has to replace the other unless I want to spend an extra 9k on a garage extension. Tough call!

MJ911 said: Tempting, though my hearts set on a red one even if a long wait. Manual or PDK? There's a red PDK in OPC Aberdeen. However, it's got heated sports seats and is £47k.

thanks for the heads up Bubbles, but 47k for a pdk? me-think thou ask too much! Bl**dy OPC's have been steadily ramping up the prices for these over last few weeks I noticed. Iniitally most offered at 44k, then 45, now 47?! P*ss take springs to mind, its a 4yr old car now and superceded by another generation of Cayman as well as the impending GT4.

but the new ones not as good :-) great news to see OPC prices on R's up for us future sellers.

Interesting that PDK is frowned upon this was my top priority when I was looking. If you want the ultimate driving thrill you wont be driving a Porsche anyway you'll be in a Lotus! MJ911 if you are having a shop round go try an Evora. Its a vastly superior thing to drive. Residuals are pretty good now as well. The only things to bear in mind on used ones are clutches are a joke. £3000 engine out job and shelf life of 40k so bear that in mind. I've not had one in to sell yet I see them as a tad risky as I self warranty my cars and do not need a 3k bill landing on my desk. We are plently busy enough with the Elise/Exige/VX220 stuff which is all much cheaper to buy in too. Why am I not buying an Evora? Busman's holiday I guess. The Porsche is better put together...erm thats about all I can think of. I just wanted one I guess thats reason enough! Prefer the look of the Cayman even though the Evora is a pretty handsome thing. I think the Cayman might be slightly smaller overall as well and I dont like big cars.

fridaypassion said: If you want the ultimate driving thrill you wont be driving a Porsche anyway you'll be in a Lotus!. Hmm....that's a long shot that.

fridaypassion said: Interesting that PDK is frowned upon this was my top priority when I was looking. It's not frowned upon, just Demon telling everyone it's "dead" in a Spyder/CR. There are more PDK's from new than manuals. What usually happens with cars is that what unpopular when bought new, means lower numbers, and then becomes desireable because of the rarity. There weren't many red CR's ordered new as buyers preferred other colours. This means that the market is saturated with white, grey, black and peridot cars. Red cars are now sought after ( I wanted one too!) as they are few and far between. A few years ago, everyone wanted PDK and manual was deemed old tech. Now it's fashionable to say that manual is more "purist" and a "true drivers car" blah blah blah. I literally had no preference. Other specs of the car were more important to me personally. I've not regretted buying a PDK for a single second, buy what you prefer!!

Yeah its something different for me I've no need for another manual it wont be going doing trackdays or anything just wafting about really

Hi, I know the red Cayman R in question really well as I was going to buy it from the first owner...

But beware, there are many modifications on the car that threw me off it, firstly, the roof is painted (not wrapped) in gloss black, it originally had a huge chinesse made rear spoiler, now with the original placed back, came with original black Spyder alloy wheels, but had carbon dipped Turbo ones put on, had many parts including the spliters/mirrors/front light surrounds/rear spoiler carbon dipped, a bar was welded inside the car for the seat belts, the whole suspension was updated that made an unusal noise when going over bumps, PASM fault message appearing and finally, the 5800 miles spent were on the tracks here and Nurburgring.