Porsche PCCM+ upgrade for 997.1 .Any time soon? - Page 5 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

Having just been in a 996 with the factory supplied PCCM+ system i now wonder when the same will be available for our 997.I realise all the semi-conductors are being used up in Taycan's but they still supply the system for the 996. I believe these are a Chinese made system using Chinese tech so does anybody know when we can finally get out of all the retro fun on the existing system?.

Was listening to the latest 9werks podcast (guesting Henry Catchpole) , they have been in touch with Porsche GB. There is a delay on relevant parts.. but are still taking sales enquiries. Deliveries TBC.

Don't understand why anyone would go this route when you can get better aftermarket units for less ££££ and still interface with all OE systems. Each to their own I guess.

For me personally i'm not bothered about the money saving and functions i don't use, we only have it switched to Radio 4, id just like good sat nav graphic's and an OEM dash as the car is factory stock spec. But yeah i get the point i could probably get a better after market system and a OEM looking dash insert and nobody except me would ever know it was'nt factory fit anyway.

Fnumber1user said: Don't understand why anyone would go this route when you can get better aftermarket units for less ££££ and still interface with all OE systems. Each to their own I guess. If you don‘t care about aesthetics, yes, you are absolutely right. But I have nit seen any aftermarket system that gets it right. Zenec gets close, but those are expensive as well and are not the newest hard-, nor software. Sure, many people don‘t care about this and are happy to save £1k, but there are other folks out there who want it done properly! Anyhow, I have stumbled across a manual for one of those, even with a picture of it. Can‘t be long until we can order them.

magic Monkey Dust said: Having just been in a 996 with the factory supplied PCCM+ system i now wonder when the same will be available for our 997.I realise all the semi-conductors are being used up in Taycan's but they still supply the system for the 996. I believe these are a Chinese made system using Chinese tech so does anybody know when we can finally get out of all the retro fun on the existing system?. Pics and more info here https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... though it seems the manual and pics that have circulated have been a hoax.

I read all the installation info for 9x7 and E1 Cayenne on our systems today - the systems have now been officially launched.

Hi Is that 9x7.1 only or has 987.2 been released? I wouldn't have thought there would be much difference but who knows!

gsewell said: Hi Is that 9x7.1 only or has 987.2 been released? I wouldn't have thought there would be much difference but who knows! Their official Press release said Gen 1 only. Gen 2 will be a few years later I'd imagine....though some bright spark will find a way to make it fit a Gen 2 i suspect.

Filibuster said: If you don‘t care about aesthetics, yes, you are absolutely right. But I have nit seen any aftermarket system that gets it right. Zenec gets close, but those are expensive as well and are not the newest hard-, nor software. Sure, many people don‘t care about this and are happy to save £1k, but there are other folks out there who want it done properly! Anyhow, I have stumbled across a manual for one of those, even with a picture of it. Can‘t be long until we can order them. Are you being ironic? The retro Porsche units look completely gash IMHO. There are plenty of options out there that will outlast, outperform, and integrate perfectly well aesthetically. One mans meat and all that.

Bit confusing. Are these available to purchase today for a 997.1 GT3?

Freddie44 said: Bit confusing. Are these available to purchase today for a 997.1 GT3? No, not yet.

Fnumber1user said: Filibuster said: If you don‘t care about aesthetics, yes, you are absolutely right. But I have nit seen any aftermarket system that gets it right. Zenec gets close, but those are expensive as well and are not the newest hard-, nor software. Sure, many people don‘t care about this and are happy to save £1k, but there are other folks out there who want it done properly! Anyhow, I have stumbled across a manual for one of those, even with a picture of it. Can‘t be long until we can order them. Are you being ironic? The retro Porsche units look completely gash IMHO. There are plenty of options out there that will outlast, outperform, and integrate perfectly well aesthetically. One mans meat and all that. No, not at all. As you say, different horses for courses, but I'd be really curious what systems you have in mind. IMHO, just a rectangular, black screen doesn't integrate at all in a 996 or a 997 cockpit. Also from an ergonomic standpoint, some buttons for basic features are preferred. The 996 PCCM looks really good, again imho. But please feel free to post some good alternatives, I'd be happy to spend considerably less on something that looks and works good!

I want to keep also the trip info and sport chrono readouts currently on my 997 standard system which i can work through my steering wheel controls. Would the aftermarket systems currently available retain all the functions of my stock interface ?. That would be a deal breaker for me if an upgrade couldn't interact with ,my sport chrono.

Pope said: I read all the installation info for 9x7 and E1 Cayenne on our systems today - the systems have now been officially launched. You will find that that manual is a leaked hoax document.

Filibuster said: No, not at all. As you say, different horses for courses, but I'd be really curious what systems you have in mind. IMHO, just a rectangular, black screen doesn't integrate at all in a 996 or a 997 cockpit. Also from an ergonomic standpoint, some buttons for basic features are preferred. The 996 PCCM looks really good, again imho. But please feel free to post some good alternatives, I'd be happy to spend considerably less on something that looks and works good! 996 dash is basically double din as standard (move the a/c controls down using OE facia). 997 dash will accommodate a double din (incartec.co.uk offer all panels and interfaces needed if you have steering wheel controls etc). Kenwood DNX if you want all singing all dancing with Nav and iPhone/iPod/bluetooth/speed camera integration. Alpine if you want best sound quality and plan to update the rest of the audio in due course. I was in that industry for circa 20 years. Plenty of pics on google.

Fnumber1user said: 996 dash is basically double din as standard (move the a/c controls down using OE facia). 997 dash will accommodate a double din (incartec.co.uk offer all panels and interfaces needed if you have steering wheel controls etc). Obviously Fnumber1user said: Kenwood DNX if you want all singing all dancing with Nav and iPhone/iPod/bluetooth/speed camera integration. Alpine if you want best sound quality and plan to update the rest of the audio in due course. I was in that industry for circa 20 years. Plenty of pics on google. Now it is my turn to ask you whether you are serious. None of these soloutuions do look good. I do not question the quality of the products you have mentioned, but the look of them. Do you honestly think any of these are well integrated? I do realize I'm very conscious about aesthetics. The radio is a crucial part of the interiors face. I couldn't bear the look of any of the above each time I get in the car. And that is before we talk about the interface of the thing itself and how they usally do not integrate into the Porsche system, crucially the BC in the center screen (rev counter). There certainly are people who do not care about this and are happy with saving a few quids. They usually call the pccm overpriced and moan about how one could spend so much money on a supposedly inferior product. As we have both established: horses for courses. An alternative to some may be the Zenec: Not perfect, rather expensive, old tech as well but the best effort other than Porsche. On the other hand, the 996 PCCM looks perfectly at home:

The Zenec looks like a fake Chinese copy of the original PCM unit if you ask me, absolutely awful. I'll be fitting a Pioneer SPH-DA360 to mine when it arrives, its a sleek unit, and with the black fascia plate around it a proper clean install. The Porsche unit when it arrives will be 4 times the price and sub optimal performance, literally no wins.

Filibuster said: On the other hand, the 996 PCCM looks perfectly at home: in real life you will not like it. I am as nit picky as you and the texture of plastic and colour on the 996 PCCM+ is ever so slightly not right. It clashes too much. It is really noticeable. From your replies I can tell it would irritate you.

I’m also very picky about the aesthetics. I opted for a hidden Bluetooth adapter and use the iPhone mounted on a magnetic mount to the right air vent together with Siri voice control Works really well, costs £150 and looks totally stock

Filibuster said: Now it is my turn to ask you whether you are serious. None of these soloutuions do look good. I do not question the quality of the products you have mentioned, but the look of them. Do you honestly think any of these are well integrated? I don't find any of those remotely offensive aesthetically.

Fnumber1user said: Filibuster said: Now it is my turn to ask you whether you are serious. None of these soloutuions do look good. I do not question the quality of the products you have mentioned, but the look of them. Do you honestly think any of these are well integrated? I don't find any of those remotely offensive aesthetically. They may not be aesthetically offensive to you but they 100% look aftermarket. That’s the OPs point I believe?

It’s now on Porsches website: https://www.porsche.com/uk/accessoriesandservice/c...

Why would they not extend it to 997.2¿

It is ruined by the fact one has to connect via a phone cable. You’d think in this day and age they could have made it support Apple CarPlay wirelessly. I think it’s a big let down.

deadscoob said: They may not be aesthetically offensive to you but they 100% look aftermarket. That’s the OPs point I believe? I completely agree. Have no interest in an aftermarket looking headset in my 997, this should be a nice upgrade for the PCCM unit I have now, will just wait for a review first

£1,420 plus fitting...so £2000, thereabouts, with no wireless Airplay, is that good?

That's ridiculous. Just add a bluetooth treating adaptor for £150, keep your PCM looking original and your good to go, with full integration into the car telephone module and handsfree operation using SIRI. All wireless.

Yep, it’s a no from me, I’ll be going with the Pioneer SPH-DA360

Tobermory said: That's ridiculous. Just add a bluetooth treating adaptor for £150, keep your PCM looking original and your good to go, with full integration into the car telephone module and handsfree operation using SIRI. All wireless. I have that currently, but it would be advantageous to be able to use an up to date nav, if its not slow and clunky I'll stump up for one.

julian987R said: It is ruined by the fact one has to connect via a phone cable. You’d think in this day and age they could have made it support Apple CarPlay wirelessly. I think it’s a big let down. Agree. I am really surprised by that.

shantybeater said: Tobermory said: That's ridiculous. Just add a bluetooth treating adaptor for £150, keep your PCM looking original and your good to go, with full integration into the car telephone module and handsfree operation using SIRI. All wireless. I have that currently, but it would be advantageous to be able to use an up to date nav, if its not slow and clunky I'll stump up for one. I just put my iPhone on a magnetic air vent mount to the right of the steering wheel and use Waze It’s as good as a CarPlay head unit and you can (legally) use it while driving it’s easily within reach while you have your hands in the steering wheel

Mr JWW seemed to have bought one of the 997 PCCM+ for his 997 on an episode of youtube where he drives his new Turbo Cabriolet . Are they out now ??.

https://youtu.be/dgA-EUxCvwE

julian987R said: It is ruined by the fact one has to connect via a phone cable. You’d think in this day and age they could have made it support Apple CarPlay wirelessly. I think it’s a big let down. Agreed, especially if it's the type of USB port which is being phased out. The latest iPhones use the smaller USB-C ports for their charging cables so an older port will seem quite old school in a few years' time and really age this PCCM.

Tobermory said: I just put my iPhone on a magnetic air vent mount Got a link?

sorry farce!! this is the one where he collects it for his 997. https://youtu.be/KJ-ZBLjLONA

You could plug a wireless dongle in but because they have put the sun socket on the front that will look really ugly. Is there a second socket on the back I wonder?

Strasse in Leeds tell me it should be available soon and they will be able to fit it with warranty. I think the main reason i will go for this over other options is the bit below>> >>>>Depending on the equipment in your vehicle, the functions of the multifunction steering wheel or the individual memory function for storing personal vehicle settings are supported. Other functions include the trip computer with lots of useful driving data and onboard navigation with Porsche-specific points of interest (POI) with route guidance in 2D or 3D. Viewing the navigation in the multifunction display of your vehicle is also made possible. I like the idea of keeping all the functionality of the car systems. I will regret the disappearance of a single slot CDplayer though so may need to add a multi disc to the frunk. I don't play music off my phone. The sat nav upgrade will be a huge bonus though. Potentially this is a game changer for me. I am thinking of buying one of the last petrol engined Boxsters before electrification but may now either keep the 911S or buy a 997 cabriolet equipped with this newer tech. A much cheaper option than a new car. I dont want to seem soft but my 991.2 was basically too fast and too fat for Derbyshire, but its interaction with technology has been missed a little.

braddo said: Tobermory said: I just put my iPhone on a magnetic air vent mount Got a link? I do too - a Yosh from Amazon. Just £8.

S600BSB said: braddo said: Tobermory said: I just put my iPhone on a magnetic air vent mount Got a link? I do too - a Yosh from Amazon. Just £8. I ended up using 2 magnetic mounts to get better stability. You just slip the little metal plates inside your iPhone case and it's rock solid. The position is perfect, it's the same height as you would choose to place a Nav screen. You can put it on one of the centre vents but I prefer it on the right of the steering wheel. Honestly with your phone there I don't know why you wold bother with an overpriced headunit replacement. https://www.amazon.co.uk/YOSH-Magnetic-Cellphones-...

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I really have been waiting for this, as after market stereos are a pet hate of mine (as you might have realized by now). The 996 PCCM+ looks spot on and fits the interior really well. But I'm so disappointed by this ..... It really looks very cheap indeed and the USB A port (!!!!!!!) stuck in the most prominent place ruins it completely! And as has been mentioned, it just looks completely stupid having your phone pluged into the front of the stereo. USB A???? FFS its 2023 in two weeks time. How Porsche can bring out something like this is beyond me I would have liked to see wireless Carplay and an inductive charging pad inside the centre console / armrest. But It's not only that. I think the geometry of the center console that is wider on top than on the bottom doesn't work with the grey contrast and a rectangular black screen. The more I look into it, the more I'm certain that I will stuck with my original (painted in black) PCM and my Mr.12 Volt Bluetooth dongle. This setup works perfectly for me. Only downside is the constant "CD1 T01" message in the central display.....

Tobermory said: I ended up using 2 magnetic mounts to get better stability. You just slip the little metal plates inside your iPhone case and it's rock solid. The position is perfect, it's the same height as you would choose to place a Nav screen. You can put it on one of the centre vents but I prefer it on the right of the steering wheel. Honestly with your phone there I don't know why you wold bother with an overpriced headunit replacement. https://www.amazon.co.uk/YOSH-Magnetic-Cellphones-... Thanks. These look ideal. I use a little Belkin holder like the one below that works well on most cars but in a 997 has the phone pointing downwards. Adding a Josh should fix it..

I think it looks absolutely terrible, and only a USB A port on the front? In my cayman I had a USB cable come out into the glove box and the central storage and not a cable in sight. But that aside.... it just looks like cheap Chinese knock off.

My Jurys out til i see it in flesh. I agree the port in the front is silly. Could it be the grand plans for this was scaled back when the semi-conductor chip crisis came along. I mean with this set up they used steam technology. I really like the data system linked to my steering wheel controls and the upgraded graphics of the sat nav in 3D will be a big bonus for touring, especially as i can alter functions with my steering wheel. Will i spend two grand on it?. possibly, the system i have now isn't cutting it. i mainly listen to radio 4 and podcasts or catch-up about architecture or ancient history. This isn't the great leap forward i hoped for but may just be worth purchasing if i can try a demonstrator. Its VW generic technology from last generation made in China. All their stuff is a bit crap since they stopped using Bosch for their info systems and went in house. Will it work with my Bose?. I dont want to downgrade Hendrix's solo on Little Wing.

Agreed, not the best for sure, missed opportunity to make something everyone would want ! I bought this a while back : https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07Q82LRDK?psc=1&r... I can put up with its misgivings for £15, I'd be tearing my hair out paying 100x more for PCCM+

magic Monkey Dust said: My Jurys out til i see it in flesh. I agree the port in the front is silly. All their stuff is a bit crap since they stopped using Bosch for their info systems and went in house. Will it work with my Bose?. I dont want to downgrade Hendrix's solo on Little Wing. Interesting you say that, I find the Bose poor, have it in my Macan and its not great, and it wasn't great in my Cayman either. Non Bose was a thing for me this time on the 997, Focal and Hertz gear inbound to go with the new head unit

i didn't say the Bose was that good , Neither is the Bower and Wilkins my sister has. although i haven't heard the standard sound in 997. I can hear the two bass bins behind me when i play NWA or Ice T, not sure if they're world class but certainly loud enough for the job in low range. I mainly play vinyl at home with a huge sound band width between bass and treble. The single slot CD player in my facia gives a fairly decent sound quality but nowhere near the clarity of vinyl. Playing sound streamed /blue toothed from my daughters phone is so ghastly i find it narrow in adjustability, too loud in top range and like a digital photo with low pixels. My daughter has recently had to agree in a taste test that vinyl at low volume made her Apple blue tooth system sound like the weedy kid at school. So i would question the amount of data your phone was supplying to the Bose. possibly a system designed for shop bought factory CD's.

Tobermory said: I ended up using 2 magnetic mounts to get better stability. You just slip the little metal plates inside your iPhone case and it's rock solid. The position is perfect, it's the same height as you would choose to place a Nav screen. You can put it on one of the centre vents but I prefer it on the right of the steering wheel. Honestly with your phone there I don't know why you wold bother with an overpriced headunit replacement. https://www.amazon.co.uk/YOSH-Magnetic-Cellphones-... Surely you can't see that screen properly - and why does it need to be within easy hands reach? It's still illegal to use your phone in your car even if it's in a mount. I've got a centrally mounted windscreen sucker that my phone mag-mounts to in landscape only, purely for when I'm using it for Nav. Far easier to look only left than down and right when driving... 'Overpriced' head unit replacements aren't for everyone, but that what personal choice is for.

Filibuster said: I really have been waiting for this, as after market stereos are a pet hate of mine (as you might have realized by now). The 996 PCCM+ looks spot on and fits the interior really well. But I'm so disappointed by this ..... It really looks very cheap indeed and the USB A port (!!!!!!!) stuck in the most prominent place ruins it completely! And as has been mentioned, it just looks completely stupid having your phone pluged into the front of the stereo. USB A???? FFS its 2023 in two weeks time. How Porsche can bring out something like this is beyond me I would have liked to see wireless Carplay and an inductive charging pad inside the centre console / armrest. But It's not only that. I think the geometry of the center console that is wider on top than on the bottom doesn't work with the grey contrast and a rectangular black screen. The more I look into it, the more I'm certain that I will stuck with my original (painted in black) PCM and my Mr.12 Volt Bluetooth dongle. This setup works perfectly for me. Only downside is the constant "CD1 T01" message in the central display..... It's designed to match the 997 interior, what did you expect it to look like? They can only do so much to fit an 18 year old design, FFS. I can't see why it's such a disaster to have use a cable to connect your phone when in a lot of cases, it's plugged into a charge port somewhere in the car anyway. Get over it. It's USB-A because it's for both phones AND USB sticks with music - maybe find stuff like that out before losing your s t? Overall, it's a low-volume replacement unit produced by Porsche - who didn't have to btw - to give as close to a factory look as possible. I wouldn't get one because I don't use my car enough to justify the cost, but if I did, I certainly would. You lot losing your minds are hilarious. If you like it, buy it; if you not then don't, instead of running to your keyboards like butthurt little boys.

STiG911 said: Surely you can't see that screen properly - and why does it need to be within easy hands reach? It's still illegal to use your phone in your car even if it's in a mount. I've got a centrally mounted windscreen sucker that my phone mag-mounts to in landscape only, purely for when I'm using it for Nav. Far easier to look only left than down and right when driving... 'Overpriced' head unit replacements aren't for everyone, but that what personal choice is for. You can see it fine. It’s actually not illegal to use the phone in a mount, it’s the same as using a touch screen. You still have to maintain good control of your car as with any device. The illegality is in holding your phone while driving.

I'm not suggesting this is the same but for looks... https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004646802519.h...

Tobermory said: STiG911 said: Surely you can't see that screen properly - and why does it need to be within easy hands reach? It's still illegal to use your phone in your car even if it's in a mount. I've got a centrally mounted windscreen sucker that my phone mag-mounts to in landscape only, purely for when I'm using it for Nav. Far easier to look only left than down and right when driving... 'Overpriced' head unit replacements aren't for everyone, but that what personal choice is for. You can see it fine. It’s actually not illegal to use the phone in a mount, it’s the same as using a touch screen. You still have to maintain good control of your car as with any device. The illegality is in holding your phone while driving. Depending on your definition of 'use' it is very much illegal to use your phone even if it is in a mount. This is why you get morons thinking it's fine to text, scroll Instagram, etc. 'because I'm not actually holding it' Tapping to accept a direction change or similar is fine, but you can get still get your collar felt if you're observed by The Law and they think that you're not in control of your vehicle.

STiG911 said: Depending on your definition of 'use' it is very much illegal to use your phone even if it is in a mount. I’m sorry. It that’s simply not true. As I said the general regulation about being in control of your vehicle at all times covers using your phone on a mount applies, as it does when using your cars controls etc. but there is nothing additional covering using the phone in a mount.

Tobermory said: STiG911 said: Depending on your definition of 'use' it is very much illegal to use your phone even if it is in a mount. I’m sorry. It that’s simply not true. As I said the general regulation about being in control of your vehicle at all times covers using your phone on a mount applies, as it does when using your cars controls etc. but there is nothing additional covering using the phone in a mount. It IS true, if you understand the definition of the law insofar as 'being in control of your vehicle at all times' Just because it doesn't specifically state 'it's illegal to use your phone in a mount' doesn't mean you can't still get pulled for doing just that, or that it's mind bendingly stupid to assume that you can.

CharlieDeltaTango said: I'm not suggesting this is the same but for looks... https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004646802519.h... That looks atrocious!!! what are you thinking?! its the wrong grey, wrong material finish in the plastic and the screen res looks terrible. OMG!

STiG911 said: Tobermory said: STiG911 said: Depending on your definition of 'use' it is very much illegal to use your phone even if it is in a mount. I’m sorry. It that’s simply not true. As I said the general regulation about being in control of your vehicle at all times covers using your phone on a mount applies, as it does when using your cars controls etc. but there is nothing additional covering using the phone in a mount. It IS true, if you understand the definition of the law insofar as 'being in control of your vehicle at all times' Just because it doesn't specifically state 'it's illegal to use your phone in a mount' doesn't mean you can't still get pulled for doing just that, or that it's mind bendingly stupid to assume that you can. The law treats using a phone in a mount exactly the same as using a touchscreen that is built in to your car. That’s all I’m saying. There is an overriding obligation to remain in control but it is identical in both cases. You can get pulled over for using your built in Apple CarPlay on the same basis. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/any-use-of-hand... Paragraph 4 Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 16th December 15:39

Tobermory said: STiG911 said: Tobermory said: STiG911 said: Depending on your definition of 'use' it is very much illegal to use your phone even if it is in a mount. I’m sorry. It that’s simply not true. As I said the general regulation about being in control of your vehicle at all times covers using your phone on a mount applies, as it does when using your cars controls etc. but there is nothing additional covering using the phone in a mount. It IS true, if you understand the definition of the law insofar as 'being in control of your vehicle at all times' Just because it doesn't specifically state 'it's illegal to use your phone in a mount' doesn't mean you can't still get pulled for doing just that, or that it's mind bendingly stupid to assume that you can. The law treats using a phone in a mount exactly the same as using a touchscreen that is built in to your car. That’s all I’m saying. There is an overriding obligation to remain in control but it is identical in both cases. You can get pulled over for using your built in Apple CarPlay on the same basis. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/any-use-of-hand... Paragraph 4 Edited by Tobermory on Friday 16th December 15:39 https://www.gov.uk/government/news/transport-secretary-declares-zero-tolerance-for-phone-use-behind-the-wheel-as-law-changes-today Edmund King AA president said: Those who believe they can still play with their phone because it’s in a cradle must think again – they leave themselves open to prosecution for either careless or dangerous driving.

STiG911 said: Filibuster said: I really have been waiting for this, as after market stereos are a pet hate of mine (as you might have realized by now). The 996 PCCM+ looks spot on and fits the interior really well. But I'm so disappointed by this ..... It really looks very cheap indeed and the USB A port (!!!!!!!) stuck in the most prominent place ruins it completely! And as has been mentioned, it just looks completely stupid having your phone pluged into the front of the stereo. USB A???? FFS its 2023 in two weeks time. How Porsche can bring out something like this is beyond me I would have liked to see wireless Carplay and an inductive charging pad inside the centre console / armrest. But It's not only that. I think the geometry of the center console that is wider on top than on the bottom doesn't work with the grey contrast and a rectangular black screen. The more I look into it, the more I'm certain that I will stuck with my original (painted in black) PCM and my Mr.12 Volt Bluetooth dongle. This setup works perfectly for me. Only downside is the constant "CD1 T01" message in the central display..... It's designed to match the 997 interior, what did you expect it to look like? They can only do so much to fit an 18 year old design, FFS. I can't see why it's such a disaster to have use a cable to connect your phone when in a lot of cases, it's plugged into a charge port somewhere in the car anyway. Get over it. It's USB-A because it's for both phones AND USB sticks with music - maybe find stuff like that out before losing your s t? Overall, it's a low-volume replacement unit produced by Porsche - who didn't have to btw - to give as close to a factory look as possible. I wouldn't get one because I don't use my car enough to justify the cost, but if I did, I certainly would. You lot losing your minds are hilarious. If you like it, buy it; if you not then don't, instead of running to your keyboards like butthurt little boys. You have found the wrong tree to bark at! I have been one of the biggest supporter of the PCCM+ Porsche offers for their classic cars. I would have been the first in line for this and if I‘d have a 996 I‘d have one in a heartbeat. Contrary to many others, I applaud Porsche for building these, that is why I am so disappointed in the 997 variant. Regarding USB sticks: who the f k uses an USB stick for music in 2022? Also, don‘t you have USB Sticks with USB C? Nowadays I mainly use Kingston 256GB ones that have USB A AND USB C ports. I only need the USB A side if no USB C is available. Didn’t you know these existed? Maybe you find out stuff like this before posting? I think I stated valid points with exact simple solutions that would have made it better, because I wanted it to be better. The one loosing his s t about this is you.

I'm quite interested in this for mine and can apply man-maths(tm) to the reassuringly expensive cost if I make the family eat pot-noodles for a couple of months. I can even live with the cable as it would be useful to charge at the same time, but I am hesitant as I can see Apple (other brands are available ) totally phasing out wired connectivity within the lifespan I'd expect to get from this (5yrs+) and then you're totally fooked. Maybe AirPlay in future via a software update? (knowing Porsche that would be a ££££ upgrade too )

SaTTaN said: I'm quite interested in this for mine and can apply man-maths(tm) to the reassuringly expensive cost if I make the family eat pot-noodles for a couple of months. I can even live with the cable as it would be useful to charge at the same time, but I am hesitant as I can see Apple (other brands are available ) totally phasing out wired connectivity within the lifespan I'd expect to get from this (5yrs+) and then you're totally fooked. Maybe AirPlay in future via a software update? (knowing Porsche that would be a ££££ upgrade too ) You will probably be able to attach a wireless dongle to it even if Apple go port-less, but it's a bit of a bodge.

Tobermory said: SaTTaN said: I'm quite interested in this for mine and can apply man-maths(tm) to the reassuringly expensive cost if I make the family eat pot-noodles for a couple of months. I can even live with the cable as it would be useful to charge at the same time, but I am hesitant as I can see Apple (other brands are available ) totally phasing out wired connectivity within the lifespan I'd expect to get from this (5yrs+) and then you're totally fooked. Maybe AirPlay in future via a software update? (knowing Porsche that would be a ££££ upgrade too ) You will probably be able to attach a wireless dongle to it even if Apple go port-less, but it's a bit of a bodge. So with that in mind, this would work? https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-UB400-Bluetooth-C... it is nano size so would not jut out crazily

julian987R said: Or is there a USB dongle that can fit in and then one can bluethooth through that? I have no idea what I am trying to say but could that work, something like .... https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-UB400-Bluetooth-C... ....that sort of approach? Don’t worry it has Bluetooth- so you can stream music wirelessly. We’re referring to wireless carplay so you can have google maps up on the screen. One of those things thats a proper game changer if you commute in city traffic each day.

abucd4 said: julian987R said: Or is there a USB dongle that can fit in and then one can bluethooth through that? I have no idea what I am trying to say but could that work, something like .... https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-UB400-Bluetooth-C... ....that sort of approach? Don’t worry it has Bluetooth- so you can stream music wirelessly. We’re referring to wireless carplay so you can have google maps up on the screen. One of those things thats a proper game changer if you commute in city traffic each day. Ah yep, I was wondering though if something like that plugged in would then make wireless CarPlay possible. At this rate I can see NMAutomotive and Joyauto creating something that can be added to it to make it work. They were probably worried on impact of sales, but they could have a workstream here to explore and take advantage of.

Seems bizarre to say I'd buy a sub-prime option PCCM+ and then void warranty by moving the USB port to add a bluetooth dongle to make it half the system it should be in first place. Especially when there are better options already posted on this thread. I guess that makes me a Porsche fan boy. A bit like those apologists for Elon Musk who defend every daft tweet. i suppose its the same with wheels, i desperately want to fit 19" BBS wheels but would lay awake in bed at night worrying my spec wasnt OEM any more. Generally i'm game for anything in life but 911's are a bit of an illness.

julian987R said: Ah yep, I was wondering though if something like that plugged in would then make wireless CarPlay possible. At this rate I can see NMAutomotive and Joyauto creating something that can be added to it to make it work. They were probably worried on impact of sales, but they could have a workstream here to explore and take advantage of. Simple answer is no. If it's not got wireless Carplay built-in then no amount of third-party addons will enable it. I said it in the 996 thread back when they released the original PCCM+, but Porsche have really missed a trick here. There are better and far cheaper alternatives available and paying the Porsche tax for a technically inferior product really limits their potential market. For my money, there is no question that an aftermarket unit is the better choice and aesthetically I have no issue with being it merely "good enough".

deckster said: julian987R said: Ah yep, I was wondering though if something like that plugged in would then make wireless CarPlay possible. At this rate I can see NMAutomotive and Joyauto creating something that can be added to it to make it work. They were probably worried on impact of sales, but they could have a workstream here to explore and take advantage of. Simple answer is no. If it's not got wireless Carplay built-in then no amount of third-party addons will enable it. I said it in the 996 thread back when they released the original PCCM+, but Porsche have really missed a trick here. There are better and far cheaper alternatives available and paying the Porsche tax for a technically inferior product really limits their potential market. For my money, there is no question that an aftermarket unit is the better choice and aesthetically I have no issue with being it merely "good enough". Thanks for your reply. How so that no third-party addons will enable wireless Carplay on this unit, yet the PCM3 and CDR3 don't have it from factory yet 3rd parties have found a way to make it happen for those. Why those and not this? just curious.

deckster said: Nobody's making any excuses, they're just telling you that you're wrong. Which you are. It is perfectly legal to fiddle with your phone whilst it's in a cradle. Whether that's Waze, Whatsapp, or doing the crossword. No law against that at all. Of course, as soon as it affects your driving, that's a different matter. But the offence is driving dangerously, not fiddling with your phone. The immediate consequence of fiddling with your phone to WhatsApp or do the crossword is distracted and thereby Careless Driving at minimum. The fact that it's not specifically illegal in the letter of the law just makes morons think that it's fine to do so regardless. Nothing is more important than paying attention to where you're going, and if any driver can't do that basic task they don't deserve a license.

julian987R said: deckster said: julian987R said: Ah yep, I was wondering though if something like that plugged in would then make wireless CarPlay possible. At this rate I can see NMAutomotive and Joyauto creating something that can be added to it to make it work. They were probably worried on impact of sales, but they could have a workstream here to explore and take advantage of. Simple answer is no. If it's not got wireless Carplay built-in then no amount of third-party addons will enable it. I said it in the 996 thread back when they released the original PCCM+, but Porsche have really missed a trick here. There are better and far cheaper alternatives available and paying the Porsche tax for a technically inferior product really limits their potential market. For my money, there is no question that an aftermarket unit is the better choice and aesthetically I have no issue with being it merely "good enough". Thanks for your reply. How so that no third-party addons will enable wireless Carplay on this unit, yet the PCM3 and CDR3 don't have it from factory yet 3rd parties have found a way to make it happen for those. Why those and not this? just curious. I admit this seems odd to me also - CarPlay isn't licensed by Apple, so if Porsche can enable Bluetooth music streaming, why not the 'full fat' experience? Odd.

STiG911 said: deckster said: Nobody's making any excuses, they're just telling you that you're wrong. Which you are. It is perfectly legal to fiddle with your phone whilst it's in a cradle. Whether that's Waze, Whatsapp, or doing the crossword. No law against that at all. Of course, as soon as it affects your driving, that's a different matter. But the offence is driving dangerously, not fiddling with your phone. The immediate consequence of fiddling with your phone to WhatsApp or do the crossword is distracted and thereby Careless Driving at minimum. The fact that it's not specifically illegal in the letter of the law just makes morons think that it's fine to do so regardless. Nothing is more important than paying attention to where you're going, and if any driver can't do that basic task they don't deserve a license. No one is disagreeing with any of that. Your insistence that any phone use in a cradle is illegal is what you are being corrected about. STiG911 said: Surely you can't see that screen properly - and why does it need to be within easy hands reach? It's still illegal to use your phone in your car even if it's in a mount.

STiG911 said: I admit this seems odd to me also - CarPlay isn't licensed by Apple, so if Porsche can enable Bluetooth music streaming, why not the 'full fat' experience? Odd. CarPlay is licences by Apple IIRC hence there is a cost in implementing it. I’m pretty sure wireless adapters already exist (?’Navplay’) I don’t see why these wouldn’t work on the Porsche unit. For example https://cplay2air.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImZTo1fSH_... https://nerdtechy.com/best-wireless-carplay-adapte... (I haven’t tried any of these myself, my £400 BMW CarPlay adapter was wireless out of the box…) Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 20th December 09:55

Tobermory said: CarPlay is licences by Apple IIRC hence there is a cost in implementing it. I’m pretty sure wireless adapters already exist (?’Navplay’) I don’t see why these wouldn’t work on the Porsche unit. For example https://cplay2air.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImZTo1fSH_... https://nerdtechy.com/best-wireless-carplay-adapte... (I haven’t tried any of these myself, my £400 BMW CarPlay adapter was wireless out of the box…) Edited by Tobermory on Tuesday 20th December 09:55 No there isn't a license cost... https://www.macworld.com/article/233855/carplay-fa... 'Whether it costs money to get CarPlay support in your car is up to its manufacturer. While Apple doesn’t charge automakers a fee for the necessary software to integrate CarPlay, there are some costs associated with meeting the necessary hardware requirements.'

I think this is rebranded Chinese tech from last generation. I'm fairly sure i read that Bosch supplied all Porsche systems until VW group decided to make their own infotainment rigs in China to fit all VW group products. Regardless the sat nav graphics upgrade and touchscreen for podcasts will probably be ok for giving me the things i need in a modern format and frankly the current sat nav takes about an hour to programme and often thinks its driving across open fields like the Paris Dakar 959!

STiG911 said: No there isn't a license cost... https://www.macworld.com/article/233855/carplay-fa... 'Whether it costs money to get CarPlay support in your car is up to its manufacturer. While Apple doesn’t charge automakers a fee for the necessary software to integrate CarPlay, there are some costs associated with meeting the necessary hardware requirements.' Thanks I didn’t realise that, it’s just the hardware cost then. CarPlay is cleverer than plain Bluetooth btw, it uses Bluetooth to handshake and then generates a Wi-Fi connection which is better quality

Tobermory said: Thanks I didn’t realise that, it’s just the hardware cost then. CarPlay is cleverer than plain Bluetooth btw, it uses Bluetooth to handshake and then generates a Wi-Fi connection which is better quality I wasn't aware either till I looked it up yesterday. Very surprising given how much Apple charges for little things like cables and adaptors! The fact that it's 'just' hardware makes your brain melt at the cost some OEMs charge for it. I'm willing to bet the hardware they use differs not one bit from a Ferrari to a Golf, yet one will charge you a King's ransom and the other next to nothing. Bonkers.

STiG911 said: Tobermory said: Thanks I didn’t realise that, it’s just the hardware cost then. CarPlay is cleverer than plain Bluetooth btw, it uses Bluetooth to handshake and then generates a Wi-Fi connection which is better quality I wasn't aware either till I looked it up yesterday. Very surprising given how much Apple charges for little things like cables and adaptors! The fact that it's 'just' hardware makes your brain melt at the cost some OEMs charge for it. I'm willing to bet the hardware they use differs not one bit from a Ferrari to a Golf, yet one will charge you a King's ransom and the other next to nothing. Bonkers. My KIA EV6 GT is arriving in a week's time and it also has wired CarPlay only (why?!) so I'm looking to buy an adaptor so I can report back on how well it works.

Pretty astonished that this doesn't have wireless CarPlay. What were they thinking.

S600BSB said: Pretty astonished that this doesn't have wireless CarPlay. What were they thinking. well, thats the point, they weren't thinking.

Tobermory said: My KIA EV6 GT is arriving in a week's time and it also has wired CarPlay only (why?!) so I'm looking to buy an adaptor so I can report back on how well it works. Carplay2air adapter works fine on our VW and works perfectly - just get in the car and it connects (but is easily hidden in cubby with USB unlike this) so you should be fine

abucd4 said: Tobermory said: My KIA EV6 GT is arriving in a week's time and it also has wired CarPlay only (why?!) so I'm looking to buy an adaptor so I can report back on how well it works. Carplay2air adapter works fine on our VW and works perfectly - just get in the car and it connects (but is easily hidden in cubby with USB unlike this) so you should be fine still means there is a wire sticking out the front of it, and is no excuse for Porsche's lack of foresight and addressing customer needs.

julian987R said: abucd4 said: Tobermory said: My KIA EV6 GT is arriving in a week's time and it also has wired CarPlay only (why?!) so I'm looking to buy an adaptor so I can report back on how well it works. Carplay2air adapter works fine on our VW and works perfectly - just get in the car and it connects (but is easily hidden in cubby with USB unlike this) so you should be fine still means there is a wire sticking out the front of it, and is no excuse for Porsche's lack of foresight and addressing customer needs. Just a thought - as CarPlay is dependant on specific hardware, do you reckon it's been shipped as-is due to the chip shortage? It's still an oversight, but it could be their thinking was better to send with a feature short than not at all...?

In case anyone is tempted to buy the Yosh air vent magnetic thingy off Amazon, I can report that it won’t hold an iPhone in Apple leather case and even without the case the phone just slides down and falls into the footwell after a couple of minutes. Back to Maus

mikef said: In case anyone is tempted to buy the Yosh air vent magnetic thingy off Amazon, I can report that it won’t hold an iPhone in Apple leather case and even without the case the phone just slides down and falls into the footwell after a couple of minutes. Back to Maus You have to use two of them then it works fine.

Archie2050 said: mikef said: In case anyone is tempted to buy the Yosh air vent magnetic thingy off Amazon, I can report that it won’t hold an iPhone in Apple leather case and even without the case the phone just slides down and falls into the footwell after a couple of minutes. Back to Maus You have to use two of them then it works fine. That doesn't seem like a fine solution. These are the best ones this (if needed).... https://www.shopmoment.com/products/moment-stick-o... with either... https://www.shopmoment.com/products/car-vent-mount... https://www.shopmoment.com/products/car-vent-mount...

Right but I’m not going to be sticking anything on - my iPhone X has magsafe built in That’s only in one position within the phone, so I don’t see how using two magnets would help In any case, I’ve ordered a MagSafe Compatible Car Vent Mount from Maus who have a sale on - I have a couple of their windshield suction holders and they work fine, as do other magnetic holders I have from Apple, Belkin and Hyper

mikef said: Right but I’m not going to be sticking anything on - my iPhone X has magsafe built in That’s only in one position within the phone, so I don’t see how using two magnets would help In any case, I’ve ordered a MagSafe Compatible Car Vent Mount from Maus who have a sale on - I have a couple of their windshield suction holders and they work fine, as do other magnetic holders I have from Apple, Belkin and Hyper Exactly, that is why I mentioned 'if needed'. That you have magsafe built in, you just need to choose between the two options I listed. The Maus one doesn't look like it would fit well. The jaws of it are too thick, it must protrude a fair way out.

I can’t disagree that CarPlay should have been Wireless, having pondered over buying aftermarket for years,no aftermarket still keeps the original PCCM settings for climate/Auto Wipers/Lights etc…..I picked one up and yes it’s expensive but keeps the OEM look and does what it says on the tin…..it’s great that Porsche still support older cars and keep the original look intact…..

julian987R said: Tobermory said: SaTTaN said: I'm quite interested in this for mine and can apply man-maths(tm) to the reassuringly expensive cost if I make the family eat pot-noodles for a couple of months. I can even live with the cable as it would be useful to charge at the same time, but I am hesitant as I can see Apple (other brands are available ) totally phasing out wired connectivity within the lifespan I'd expect to get from this (5yrs+) and then you're totally fooked. Maybe AirPlay in future via a software update? (knowing Porsche that would be a ££££ upgrade too ) You will probably be able to attach a wireless dongle to it even if Apple go port-less, but it's a bit of a bodge. So with that in mind, this would work? https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-UB400-Bluetooth-C... it is nano size so would not jut out crazily This is what I was meaning....a tiny usb that means no wire hanging out the front "an AA wireless dongle that is stored in the cubby under the HVAC. But the cable could easily come out anywhere" https://rennlist.com/forums/997-forum/1220171-note...

not much action going on here, nobody bought one yet?

I'm having one fitted in March. The decider was the functionality of the interface with my car. The wheel mounted controls still enable me to use options like trip mileage and average speed and consumption. i can change light delay for lights and other items that would be lost with an aftermarket system. I think also the new sat nav in the PCCM+ is linked to my central tacho so if I'm concentrating on driving the little direction arrow and distance warning are nice to have. i have spoke to Strasse Leeds and so long as the item is available I will add it to my annual service.

Newly-fitted PCCM+ I can't help thinking that the USB port is positioned more for LHD cars. At the end of the day, it actually doesn't much bother me to have the cable instead of bluetooth

Glad you are pleased with it, but what were Porsche thinking of making CarPlay a wired connection! Crazy.

S600BSB said: Glad you are pleased with it, but what were Porsche thinking of making CarPlay a wired connection! Crazy. They have to keep something up their sleeve to justify asking £2000+ for the 997.2 PCCM+ when it comes out 🤔

Let’s remember what we’re comparing with though, the original PCCM Driving home from picking up my new Cayman, the PCCM nav was unaware of a major bypass that had been built a year before. New nav disk? When it comes out it will be around a grand. Radio 5 live for the sports? AM with awful crackly reception. Small choice of FM stations (Kent Messenger FM, anyone?). No DAB. Play music or stream radio from my phone? No sensible way to do that. I didn’t have phone prep (car bought off the showroom floor), so no hands-free Whether USB or bluetooth, the PCCM+ is worth every penny to me. And as my current commute is through the tunnel to France, I need to be charging my phone en route in any case

mikef said: Let’s remember what we’re comparing with though, the original PCCM Driving home from picking up my new Cayman, the PCCM nav was unaware of a major bypass that had been built a year before. New nav disk? When it comes out it will be around a grand. Radio 5 live for the sports? AM with awful crackly reception. Small choice of FM stations (Kent Messenger FM, anyone?). No DAB. Play music or stream radio from my phone? No sensible way to do that. I didn’t have phone prep (car bought off the showroom floor), so no hands-free Whether USB or bluetooth, the PCCM+ is worth every penny to me . And as my current commute is through the tunnel to France, I need to be charging my phone en route in any case Let's be clear about this. It's the Porsche branding that is worth every penny to you. Otherwise you'd have bought a better-specced, much cheaper third party unit years ago. PCCM+ is playing catch-up and it's playing it badly. Literally the only thing going for it is the Porsche name.

True - well, branding and styling

deckster said: Let's be clear about this. It's the Porsche branding that is worth every penny to you. Otherwise you'd have bought a better-specced, much cheaper third party unit years ago. PCCM+ is playing catch-up and it's playing it badly. Literally the only thing going for it is the Porsche name. Like this. Even made to look like Porsche (buttons anyway) by American designer and loaded with tech. https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005005109423046.ht... pc__pcBridgePPC__xxxxxx 1675803758&spm=a2g0o.ppclist.product.mainProduct&gatewayAdapt=glo2deu See thread here : http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=151966&postda...

Just had my PCCM head unit fitted at Strasse Porsche in Leeds. great and tidy job, microphone hidden away for telephone and no misalignment of trim or signs of disturbed A pillars. Super happy with looks on first impressions after pickup. Very simple to connect my phone via Bluetooth or cable. The clarity of the screen is bright and vibrant, all in all I am glad I chose the Porsche unit. The steering wheel controls and smaller screens on dial work with the new system. The Porsche sat nav is ok but not 2023, i use google maps via my phone which mirrors on the screen and i can see that I would only use their system if my phone wasn't available. Bose still works fine, having a large selection of digital channels means i can finally listen to Times Radio and BBC Radio six when there's nothing on Radio 4. The car section gives me trip info and basic data from the car. It has transformed the way the 997 feels to use It now has all the things i need in a decent package that doesn't feel like I've compromised down from a 991..So far so good. We will see if the love affair continues. I could have saved money by taking a non Porsche product but so far the value added feels ok for the costs.

And voice control works the unit fine using siri so no need to take hands off wheel.

For nav, agree on the built-in PCCM+ satnav, it's rather basic. I've started using the Waze app on CarPlay to get advance notice of potholes

Thanks for the reviews guys. I'm seriously considering this on my 997.1. Few of questions: - I'm confused about the USB cable. What is it for and why can't whatever its for be done via Bluetooth? - I believe the pricing is £1500 installed and with the maps package? - How long did it take to fit? Thanks!

- The PCCM+ modules doesn’t support CarPlay over Bluetooth, it needs a USB connection. You’re just going to have to take your phone out of your handbag (some people are complaining about that but it doesn’t bother me) - About that, yep - Based on the fitting charge I’m thinking about an hour or so - I had it done during a service

Presumably Porsche will eventually bring out a gen 2 version with Bluetooth so you can get rid of the cable.

If the PCCM+ units support wired Carplay then you could always add an Ottocast box for wireless. Have just done this on my 718GTS and it works a treat (having the phone plugged in via the centre console was a PITA) - this does away with the need to plug the phone in.

I had a professional install as the ripping apart of the interior to fit the aerials and wires is easier on the second try. Didnt really want to use my car as a dry run. Porsche advises you fit the microphone on top of the steering column housing but dealer hid it behind which I wouldn't have thought of. Honestly plugging in a cable is easy and no idea why Bluetooth music would be a deal breaker. My phone auto connects to bluetooth for some functions and as i really only listen to radio 4 I don't need to plug it in at all. The job was a couple of hundred plus vat and took about 4 hours to do. The old unit is saved in the PCCM box in case somebody in 2043 wants an OEM car again. Best bit is i can configure stuff like auto wipers and courtesy lights etc through settings in PCCM. Or play the whole Beatles back catalogue through a USB stick, keep that in ashtray and no need to connect my phone via cable.

Fnumber1user said: If the PCCM+ units support wired Carplay then you could always add an Ottocast box for wireless. Have just done this on my 718GTS and it works a treat (having the phone plugged in via the centre console was a PITA) - this does away with the need to plug the phone in. Thanks for this - following your adviceI did order an Ottocast U2-X Pro and so far it's working OK with both iPhone and Android