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Looking at an18k mile example which is pretty clean (as you would expect) but the servicing has been carried out every 4k miles rather than years (apart from age related brake fluid) Would this effect its value by much, i must admit i’m looking at this as much as an investment as i am a useable car so future re-sale is important. Eta: its a phase 1 Edited by Aventador 700 on Monday 10th April 10:30

So it's had 4 services in 20 years?

Discombobulate said: So it's had 4 services in 20 years? In relation to the engine - 5 In total - 7 Think there are better at not much more money, which is a better move i think.. How sensitive are future buyers to the yearly schedule? ferrari, lambo etc i know, porsche not so much

Forget the future value. Buy it because you want to use and enjoy it.

Phil_Rob1 said: Forget the future value. Buy it because you want to use and enjoy it. I intend to but it wont be that often as i have quite a few to chose from now, i tend to use the more modern stuff regularly and im adding more classics to the collection, hence the GT3 but all the classics will be future value considered.

Sounds like you want an investment to me.

If as a pure investment a low mileage garage queen needs a perfect service history to attract top dollar from people who like that sort of car. They are very picky.

Service will be oil and other fluids, belts and plugs. Oil is several million years old already - advice I received from an excellent Porsche indie is that renewing on mileage rather than time is perfectly safe for an engine. If it’s otherwise a good car I wouldn’t worry about 4K oil changes regardless of time.

Yourmumsmum said: Service will be oil and other fluids, belts and plugs. Oil is several million years old already - advice I received from an excellent Porsche indie is that renewing on mileage rather than time is perfectly safe for an engine. If it’s otherwise a good car I wouldn’t worry about 4K oil changes regardless of time. Absolutely. But if selling to a picky garage queen type...

Aventador 700 said: Looking at an18k mile example which is pretty clean (as you would expect) but the servicing has been carried out every 4k miles rather than years (apart from age related brake fluid) Would this effect its value by much, i must admit i’m looking at this as much as an investment as i am a useable car so future re-sale is important. Eta: its a phase 1 Edited by Aventador 700 on Monday 10th April 10:30 I think if you own it for a good few years and service it every year going forward regardless of mileage, then no one would give a monkeys. I wouldn’t

Discombobulate said: Yourmumsmum said: Service will be oil and other fluids, belts and plugs. Oil is several million years old already - advice I received from an excellent Porsche indie is that renewing on mileage rather than time is perfectly safe for an engine. If it’s otherwise a good car I wouldn’t worry about 4K oil changes regardless of time. Absolutely. But if selling to a picky garage queen type... Plenty of them in the Porsche space now. Are they actually worse than Ferrari ones now

Would it bother me? Probably wouldn't even give it a seconds thought if it was a car I actually wanted, rather than something to speculate on... I bounced the limiter a few times in the short trip I took in my 6.2 GT3 today. These are sensational drivers cars and are there to be driven.

Absolutely no problem, as someone previously stated it’s been in the ground for thousands of years so hardly matters sitting a few years in a car not being driven, yes some buyers might me completely anal about it, but most not!

Think I know the car, white by any chance?? If so, I was tempted last time it was up for sale but walked when the service history became clear. IIRC the services done was not by a recognised Porsche agent. However, I was looking to move from one GT3 into another so not so invested in the purchase as I already owned one of these great cars.

if future value is important, I would look for 996.1 CS. Service history is more important in the UK than on the continent from my experience, but as others have said the fuller the better and I think the longer in the past missed services are the less relevant they become. Given the age of the cars, I doubt there are many with perfect service history nowadays.

NIgt3 said: Absolutely no problem, as someone previously stated it’s been in the ground for thousands of years so hardly matters sitting a few years in a car not being driven Whilst on the face of it, that may appear to be the case, the combustion process in an ICE produces some pretty nasty bi-products that aren't good for the engine. All too often owners think they're doing the right thing by starting the engine every month and warming it through gently by leaving it idling for half an hour, when what they're actually doing is diluting the oil with excess fuel, creating condensation inside the engine and exhaust and producing lots of acid which is neither good for the engine or the exhaust system. It's far better to change the oil before before storing a car and then not start it up during the storage period, or if you should decide to start it, take it for a decently long run that allows it to reach it's optimum operating temperature and remain there for at least 30 minutes.

MDL111 said: if future value is important, I would look for 996.1 CS. Yes, they're the one to go for

The "must be serviced even if it hasn't turned a wheel" attitude is bonkers. Why on earth would I expect someone to service a car that's done a few hundred miles a year? I wouldn't give it two thoughts. This is an indication of where we are though in terms of speculation. I hope the market collapses and we have some sanity back in the market.

Mumsn3t said: I hope the market collapses and we have some sanity back in the market. Here's hoping. I might get that CGT after all.

Slippydiff said: All too often owners think they're doing the right thing by starting the engine every month and warming it through gently by leaving it idling for half an hour, when what they're actually doing is diluting the oil with excess fuel, creating condensation inside the engine and exhaust and producing lots of acid which is neither good for the engine or the exhaust system. It's been explained to me several different times, in a couple of different ways, that Mezger engines do not want to be idled. It also says as much in the handbooks of both turbo and GT3 models. So I never do it. Laying the things up for a long while also very often causes terminal failure of the RMS. Assuming cars are 'okay' just because of low mileage is non necessarily correct.

I know of a lovely Polar Silver Mk2 Clubsport if it is of any interest?

Digga said: It's been explained to me several different times, in a couple of different ways, that Mezger engines do not want to be idled. It also says as much in the handbooks of both turbo and GT3 models. So I never do it. Laying the things up for a long while also very often causes terminal failure of the RMS. Exactly my point M, they're meant to be used. The whole laying GT cars up for 5-6 months over the Winter "thing" is a fairly new phenomenon, driven by the garage queen/investor/speculator "custodians". Have the underside steamed off in the hot winter months, and once fully dry, treat engine, gearbox, suspension, floorpan with Waxoyl or similar, then use properly through the Winter (especially on dry bright days) when no one else is out on the roads

Slippydiff said: Exactly my point M, they're meant to be used. The whole laying GT cars up for 5-6 months over the Winter "thing" is a fairly new phenomenon, driven by the garage queen/investor/speculator "custodians". Have the underside steamed off in the hot winter months, and once fully dry, treat engine, gearbox, suspension, floorpan with Waxoyl or similar, then use properly through the Winter (especially on dry bright days) when no one else is out on the roads Slippy, that is a properly use car!!