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Great news on the GT4, ive been annoying the hell out of my missus for months - on the internet first thing in the morning, checking during the day and last thing at night before the big Zzzzzz....s
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September build, and likely a November delivery prior to Thanksgiving, but delivery could be as late as early December.
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Great news on the GT4, ive been annoying the hell out of my missus for months - on the internet first thing in the morning, checking during the day and last thing at night before the big Zzzzzz....s
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I will need to check the wheelbase / wheel positions?
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A rip off but worth looking at the climate control option, not sure what you get as standard, I think just manual control of aircon - worth checking with your dealer.
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Great news on the GT4, ive been annoying the hell out of my missus for months - on the internet first thing in the morning, checking during the day and last thing at night before the big Zzzzzz....s
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A rip off but worth looking at the climate control option, not sure what you get as standard, I think just manual control of aircon - worth checking with your dealer.
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I don't think it will be quite as bad with the GT4 but if the new 981/991 turbo engines are as strong as rumours suggest (up to 390 bhp for the 4-cylinder and let's face it, Porsche needs that kind of power to keep the cheap leasing A45/RS3/Golf Rs at bay) then we might be able to pick up some reasonably priced used GT4s in the near future.
I don't think it will be quite as bad with the GT4 but if the new 981/991 turbo engines are as strong as rumours suggest (up to 390 bhp for the 4-cylinder and let's face it, Porsche needs that kind of power to keep the cheap leasing A45/RS3/Golf Rs at bay) then we might be able to pick up some reasonably priced used GT4s in the near future.
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So, who has put a deposit down?
Got mine in today. Been on the German Porsche site to run through a configuration or two, cant understand a word of it. I think the UK one is up now though.
What spec is everyone going for?
_Leg_ said:
So, who has put a deposit down?
Got mine in today. Been on the German Porsche site to run through a configuration or two, cant understand a word of it.
On the UK site now.
Deposit in .
Spec'd to £68,500 . Bargain .
Buckets , phone prep , leather dash , sound package plus .
Haven't decided if Clubsport warrants the price ? Not much metal for a lot of dosh .
No idea on colour . Doesn't seem to be like the 3 which seemed to suit any colour .
Deposit also in.
Spec is a lowly £67.3k....buckets, red seatbelts, phone prep and sound package plus.
Just need to check if xenons and sports chrono are standard as per the press release (not clear on the configurator).
GT3cs said:
Deposit in .
Spec'd to £68,500 . Bargain .
Buckets , phone prep , leather dash , sound package plus .
Haven't decided if Clubsport warrants the price ? Not much metal for a lot of dosh .
No idea on colour . Doesn't seem to be like the 3 which seemed to suit any colour .
PCM???
Inverted said:
Also in btw. Waiting game now for a confirmation. Viper green, clubsport, PCCB, buckets. Haven't decided on other stuff yet
Viper green? Is that on the config options?
Great news on the GT4, ive been annoying the hell out of my missus for months - on the internet first thing in the morning, checking during the day and last thing at night before the big Zzzzzz....s
any news - any real pics..... today.....at long last....was it worth the wait - Hell Yes!! My order has been placed some time ago and im nos 3 to get one!!!
Cannot wait - don't care its not a GT3 - it looks awesome to me and I love the fact it would appear to be a true GT car,the even better news is im not paying a 40k premium like I've been seeing/quoted from dealers for the GT3's.
I wont be selling mine for a big premium like a large percentage of new GT3 owners - I want to drive it! - I think Porsche have potentially delivered the bargain of the year!
I will be driving and enjoying the history, the passion that Porsche always deliver!!
Today has been a good day!
ps - shame about the manual only - I have a Boxster GTS and love the PDK box, but I will enjoy it whatever!
Britten said:
ps - shame about the manual only - I have a Boxster GTS and love the PDK box, but I will enjoy it whatever!
Another poster said PDKs were to come along later (I'd be astonished if they didn't) Can you wait? Instant gratification isn't good for the soul...
Edited by bcr5784 on Wednesday 4th February 20:06
Cant wait for the PDK, Im 51 and who knows what tomorrow brings!
This manual gearbox stuff - its going to be like driving in the 80's!
re the colour - going to check on google images and the porsche home site pics of bright coloured Porsches before I make a final decision.
Is it me or is this car great value?
Why buy a used 997 gen 1 gt3 when you could have a brand spanking new gt4 with all the latest technology and a manual gearbox. Can't wait to see the gt4 rs.
Congratulations for all those who have actually been able to secure a build slot with there dealer.
Funny, I wouldn't have touched it with a PDK box. Each to their own.
I doubt we will see a PDK in the GT4. They've gone out of their way to stick a manual in it to add another differential to the GT3.
ro51ter said:
Is it me or is this car great value?
Why buy a used 997 gen 1 gt3 when you could have a brand spanking new gt4 with all the latest technology and a manual gearbox. Can't wait to see the gt4 rs.
Congratulations for all those who have actually been able to secure a build slot with there dealer.
The GT4 hasn't got half of the 'latest technology'...
ro51ter said:
Is it me or is this car great value?
Why buy a used 997 gen 1 gt3 when you could have a brand spanking new gt4 with all the latest technology and a manual gearbox..
Because you can have this with the best ever engine put in a road car.
Edit to add, I'm not detracting from the GT4' I think it looks great and will be a fantastic car. I can't wait to see one in the flesh.
In fact it's a bit of a shame it keeps getting compared to the 997 GT3.
It's like saying oh look Karlie Kloss is so hot and young that I don't think Salma Hayek is attractive anymore because she's older.
Both good and we would be lucky to have either.
Edited by pete a on Wednesday 4th February 20:43
Paid my £5k deposit.
I'm not sure if I am missing something here, but I can not see the value in the clubsport package, which seems to be a rear cage and harness' for £2.5k or Sport Chrono for £1k, which is a fancy stop watch.
I've been through it again and dumped the sport chrono plus some other bits. As with many options on cars the clubsport package is over priced but, I'll be having it on mine.
sidicks said:
ro51ter said:
Is it me or is this car great value?
Why buy a used 997 gen 1 gt3 when you could have a brand spanking new gt4 with all the latest technology and a manual gearbox. Can't wait to see the gt4 rs.
Congratulations for all those who have actually been able to secure a build slot with there dealer.
The GT4 hasn't got half of the 'latest technology'...
Are you saying porsche are putting all there old technology into the brand new gt4 and saving the best for the 991 gt3?
This car represents excellent value for money I'm sure they will be snapped up pretty quick in the uk, it's a great option for those looking to by a Porsche gt car sub 80k.
I agree - there different cars - the 997 gt3 is super special in its own way - plus any GT car is only as fast as the driver - but as long as it makes you smile everytime that's all that matters!
GT4 - I have one coming and have just been on the Porsche build your car website.I am really surprised / concerned that such a focused car does not offer a hydraulic lifter like on the Gt3??
I intend to go to Europe to enjoy it in the alps and maybe a trackday - have you seen the ramp onto a ferry - not a chance? I will need to check the wheelbase / wheel positions?
Anyone got an idea how many will come to Uk?
Britten said:
I agree - there different cars - the 997 gt3 is super special in its own way - plus any GT car is only as fast as the driver - but as long as it makes you smile everytime that's all that matters!
GT4 - I have one coming and have just been on the Porsche build your car website.I am really surprised / concerned that such a focused car does not offer a hydraulic lifter like on the Gt3??
I intend to go to Europe to enjoy it in the alps and maybe a trackday - have you seen the ramp onto a ferry - not a chance? I will need to check the wheelbase / wheel positions?
Anyone got an idea how many will come to Uk?
I did Europe in my 458 Spider last year. 8 countries in 10 days including loads of passes, some big, some very tight. I didnt bother speccing the lifter on that and didnt have any issues at all, including the ferries. Dunno if its as low as the GT4 will be though.
_Leg_ said:
I did Europe in my 458 Spider last year. 8 countries in 10 days including loads of passes, some big, some very tight. I didnt bother speccing the lifter on that and didnt have any issues at all, including the ferries. Dunno if its as low as the GT4 will be though.
My 991 GT3 would have struggled on some of the smaller ferries in the Hebrides without the axle lift!
sidicks said:
_Leg_ said:
I did Europe in my 458 Spider last year. 8 countries in 10 days including loads of passes, some big, some very tight. I didnt bother speccing the lifter on that and didnt have any issues at all, including the ferries. Dunno if its as low as the GT4 will be though.
My 991 GT3 would have struggled on some of the smaller ferries in the Hebrides without the axle lift!
I would guesstimate the GT4 front clearance to be c half way between the 991 GT3 and the 458.......
_Leg_ said:
I did Europe in my 458 Spider last year. 8 countries in 10 days including loads of passes, some big, some very tight. I didnt bother speccing the lifter on that and didnt have any issues at all, including the ferries. Dunno if its as low as the GT4 will be though.
The 458 has quite noticeably more clearance than a GT4. As you'll see on the GTS thread, a GTS with SS already gives significant problems with speed humps and the like. (Even my own S with PASM which is 20mm higher than a GT4 and has a much shorter and higher nose, grounds on occasion - I couldn't get out of my drive with a GT4 - and few would argue that my drive is even vaguely challenging.)
bcr5784 said:
The 458 has quite noticeably more clearance than a GT4. As you'll see on the GTS thread, a GTS with SS already gives significant problems with speed humps and the like. (Even my own S with PASM which is 20mm higher than a GT4 and has a much shorter and higher nose, grounds on occasion - I couldn't get out of my drive with a GT4 - and few would argue that my drive is even vaguely challenging.)
I don't have any trouble at all in my 981 Boxster S with PASM and it's my daily driver. Mind you, I live in North Yorkshire and there aint that many speed humps. I go into Leeds and York but again, now I think about it, there aren't many speed humps there. I did take the Boxster round Europe in 2013 and again, had no issues. My MK Indy R on the other hand bottoms on a crossing tortoise so I simply slow right down and bump a wheel over the humps in that. I do that in the Fez tbh, just to be sure.
I'll find out come spring as I bought a 997.2 GT3RS last week and haven't really driven it yet cos the roads are full of salt. No doubt then I'll be on here posting how ridiculous Porsche are for not offering lift on the GT4!!
Deposit down, 9th on the list at my dealer! Rather excited about this one
I'm thinking carrara white, red stitching, buckets, pcm and that'll do nicely.
CheesyFootballs said:
I didn't think allocations have been dished out yet?
No ones guaranteed a car yet, are they?
Latest info from my preferred OPC (Porsche Zentrum München) is that the car won't be that limited and waiting lists are mostly about who gets their car first. Porsche is waiting until end of February to gauge the customer response and will decide on the production capacity then. Some independent posters over at pff.de received the same response from their OPCs. So anybody who goes to order one now should be fine.
I'm happy because I didn't put in a LOI but changed my mind after the reveal. I'll have to wait a bit longer to get the car but that's ok as I ordered it PTS which will push me into 2016 anyway.
swimd said:
CheesyFootballs said:
I didn't think allocations have been dished out yet?
No ones guaranteed a car yet, are they?
Latest info from my preferred OPC (Porsche Zentrum München) is that the car won't be that limited and waiting lists are mostly about who gets their car first. Porsche is waiting until end of February to gauge the customer response and will decide on the production capacity then. Some independent posters over at pff.de received the same response from their OPCs. So anybody who goes to order one now should be fine.
I'm happy because I didn't put in a LOI but changed my mind after the reveal. I'll have to wait a bit longer to get the car but that's ok as I ordered it PTS which will push me into 2016 anyway.
Is that confirmed that PTS wont be available in 2015?
Edited by Inverted on Thursday 5th February 08:34
Inverted said:
Is that confirmed that PTS wont be available in 2015?
Too many options whats PTS? apologies for ignorance
Edited by Inverted on Thursday 5th February 08:34
Scooty100 said:
Inverted said:
Is that confirmed that PTS wont be available in 2015?
Too many options whats PTS? apologies for ignorance
Paint to Sample, it allows you to pick a color from a large variety of original Porsche colors.
I was told the PTS capacity for 2015 is exhausted so delivery for my GT4 will be in 2016.
That leaves me almost a year to figure out if I want Mexicoblue or Rivierablue... hmm.
Inverted said:
Paint to Sample. Also known as colour to sample. Its not on the GT4 config but shows on the standard cayman and GTS config. 2,800 ish.
Great tks for explaining. I think for the costs ill pass on that. Basic white with black gloss wheels is cool in my eyes
When you look at other threads it would suggest OPCs are only getting a limited amount of cars. We know it's not a conventional production car as this was in the EVO interview vid. I personally think they will do an initial limited run of manuals, then the PDK will be announced and they'll do a similar amount of cars.
Anyway, lets stick on topic otherwise this is just another repetition of the two other threads going!
What specs are people getting? I would like to get a full optioned car but i think £80+k is getting away from what this car is meant to be. I want to set myself a limit of under £75k. However, i've always been the type to order PCM and all that as it would be a daily driver.
Sports Chrono is a default option on most 'sporty' Porsches but it seems like a complete waste of money, would it be crazy to get basically a Clubsport car without this?
I'd rather spend money saved on PCM and trinkets and go for a PTS colour.
Do you think TPM is standard or not optional? Pretty sure it is on the GT3.
hondansx said:
Air con is standard, but dual zone isn't (don't see the point in the latter).
standard a/c is utter rubbish .. there is no temperature control by the system so you have to constantly fiddle with the ‘temp’ and fan setting – inconvenient as the gear stick is usually in the way. The temp setting merely adjusts how much heat/cool comes out of the system, and does not monitor cabin temperature. The fan speed is also not self regulating at all.
hondansx said:
PDLS is an option in conjunction with black headlight surrounds.
Air con is standard, but dual zone isn't (don't see the point in the latter).
as above AC is standard in as far as it's on or off, it's not climate
no one wants dual zone it's daft, but to have climate you have to tick the dual zone box ;-(
PorscheGT4 said:
as above AC is standard in as far as it's on or off, it's not climate
no one wants dual zone it's daft, but to have climate you have to tick the dual zone box ;-(
AC as standard is fine to me its hitting a switch who cares
SFO said:
standard a/c is utter rubbish .. there is no temperature control by the system so you have to constantly fiddle with the ‘temp’ and fan setting – inconvenient as the gear stick is usually in the way. The temp setting merely adjusts how much heat/cool comes out of the system, and does not monitor cabin temperature. The fan speed is also not self regulating at all.
First world problems eh.
:-)
So far I'm at £71,243, but very tempted to leave off PCM and save £2,537.
Dark Blue Metallic - 558
Black leather interior with platinum grey - 1344
Smoking package - 0
Full bucket seats - 1907
Mobile phone prep - 446
Sound package plus - 396
PCM- 2141
D.
For my GT3 i got a rear camera fitted - all the tech is built into the PCM so it was a case of getting a small camera fitted. Not a biggy and it means you avoid ugly parking sensors
I'll be doing the same for the GT4.
I haven't put a deposit down yet but I was thinking of the following:
My Cayman GT4 Options
* Stitching in contrasting colour - £ 801.00
* Sound Package Plus - £ 396.00
* Two-zone automatic climate control - £ 518.00
* Mobile phone preparation - £ 446.00
* Black (stitching in Guards Red) Leather interior - £ 1,344.00
* Porsche Communication Management (PCM) including navigation module with universal audio interface - £ 2,141.00
* Steering wheel rim and gear lever in Black smooth leather - £ 0.00
* Cruise control - £ 267.00
* Automatically dimming mirrors with integrated rain sensor - £ 332.00
* 6-speed manual gearbox - £ 0.00
* Sapphire Blue Metallic - £ 558.00
* 20-inch GT4 wheels - £ 0.00
* Full bucket seats - £ 1,907.00
Base price:
£ 64,451.00
Price for equipment:
£ 8,710.00
Total price:
£ 73,161.00
Spec still to decide - £72k limit but buckets, leather and contrast stitching are definites. Colour wise white unless they announce a loud orange or green once ordered confirmed fully and they ask for final specs.
6 or 7th on list at Exeter as one customer put in letter of intent but not come back to them as yet.
Dealer said that when my order came in @ 08:30 this am they processed another a few mins after mine and the comm number was 11 higher so def allot ordered.
Shortly after that Exeter closed the order book and are not taking more deposits.
They will be dealt with in comm code order apparently.
Looks like reality is setting in over in Europe. Cayman R marketing strategy all over again. Fake scarcity around the launch and then increased allocations to the point where they couldn't move the cars without a very hefty discount.
I don't think it will be quite as bad with the GT4 but if the new 981/991 turbo engines are as strong as rumours suggest (up to 390 bhp for the 4-cylinder and let's face it, Porsche needs that kind of power to keep the cheap leasing A45/RS3/Golf Rs at bay) then we might be able to pick up some reasonably priced used GT4s in the near future.
georgeq said:
Looks like reality is setting in over in Europe. Cayman R marketing strategy all over again. Fake scarcity around the launch and then increased allocations to the point where they couldn't move the cars without a very hefty discount.
I don't think it will be quite as bad with the GT4 but if the new 981/991 turbo engines are as strong as rumours suggest (up to 390 bhp for the 4-cylinder and let's face it, Porsche needs that kind of power to keep the cheap leasing A45/RS3/Golf Rs at bay) then we might be able to pick up some reasonably priced used GT4s in the near future.
Good word - reality. However, purchasing cars at this level is highly emotive and the tide has risen since the Cayman R days.
If GT4's ar available at list already, I would be a bit nervous at those chasing the twice as expensive LHD 991RS. European appetite for new cars at 200k Euros - is it that strong, although only half as many cars as the GT4.
Plenty of 991 GT3's available - though volume was twice as much as the RS's.
Edited by Mermaid on Sunday 19th April 07:25
Over here in the states, I just got my allocation from one of the lowest volume dealers in this part of the US. I was first in line, placing a deposit about 2 weeks prior to official announcement. September build, and likely a November delivery prior to Thanksgiving, but delivery could be as late as early December. Unbelievably stoked, though need to start thinking about selling my GTS.
BubblesNW said:
I've specced DAB but not PCM as I feel sat navy moves on far more quickly and phones have all the capability anyone really needs and are updated more often. DAB will be here for a while but other radio sources are likely to be cancelled lin the next few years.
Cheers for the heads up! I'm going to opt for PCM because I really like the way it integrates etc. the map updates from Porsche are typically very good as well. Will tick the DAB option now
I've specced DAB but not PCM as I feel sat nav moves on far more quickly and phones have all the capability anyone really needs and are updated more often. DAB will be here for a while but other radio sources are likely to be cancelled lin the next few years.
Edited by BubblesNW on Monday 20th April 19:38
I've specced DAB but not PCM as I feel sat nav moves on far more quickly and phones have all the capability anyone really needs and are updated more often. DAB will be here for a while but other radio sources are likely to be cancelled lin the next few years.
Edited by BubblesNW on Monday 20th April 19:39
I've specced DAB but not PCM as I feel sat nav moves on far more quickly and phones have all the capability anyone really needs and are updated more often. DAB will be here for a while but other radio sources are likely to be cancelled lin the next few years.
Edited by BubblesNW on Monday 20th April 19:40
A rip off but worth looking at the climate control option, not sure what you get as standard, I think just manual control of aircon - worth checking with your dealer.
Custard Beast said:
Here's my spec. Anything I've missed, any comments......?
http://www.porsche-code.com/PGYEEZE2
Thanks in advance!
due to the delay (clubsport) up to week 28 and roadtrip-plans before that,
I delayed it myselve after winter '15/'16
and bought a 987spyder (manual)
in 2016 we'll see wether to sell (with a premium???) or keep it
1560 said:
due to the delay (clubsport) up to week 28 and roadtrip-plans before that,
I delayed it myselve after winter '15/'16
and bought a 987spyder (manual)
in 2016 we'll see wether to sell (with a premium???) or keep it
...and if anyone else would like to do the same, see here
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
PorscheGT4 said:
nice choice, which one did you get ?
low mileage and close to launch-spec
CR30-radio, further how I wanted it
might prefer a silver one, but too hard to find
Just got a call from the Reading OPC offering me an October build slot for the GT4. Of course I said yes!
Okay, I take back anything bad I might have said about this whole process...
Only big question for me now is Yellow or Blue?
DYKWIA said:
Seriously leaning towards Sapphire Blue, it looks amazing. I have to decide today though - gulp!
Both great colours but ive gone for blue with PCCB so also have yellow :-)
Can u ask did they have someone cancel and you were next on the list?
Hi Scooty, Yeah, that's exactly what happened. God knows why you'd cancel a GT4 order but obviously I bit their hand off when they called with the offer.
Also, I actually think the red callipers look great on sapphire blue cars.
DYKWIA said:
Just got a call from the Reading OPC offering me an October build slot for the GT4. Of course I said yes!
Okay, I take back anything bad I might have said about this whole process...
Only big question for me now is Yellow or Blue?
Same thing happened to me today, not sure about build date though - same dealership. Deposit paid.
Maybe they are flooding the market with extra allocation?
Are you keeping the Exige still and the M4 Mark?
TheDeadPrussian said:
Same thing happened to me today, not sure about build date though - same dealership. Deposit paid.
So I spent some time at the OPC yesterday running through my spec and getting the deposit paid. I saw a yellow one there and it does look great but I've gone for Sapphire Blue as I think it's stunning. Got some more detail around how this opportunity came up, it looks like Porsche have shifted some allocation from less popular regions to the UK and Reading got two extra build slots but had to fill them short notice, they simply followed protocol and offered them out to the next two people on the list. Lucky us!!
DYKWIA said:
So I spent some time at the OPC yesterday running through my spec and getting the deposit paid. I saw a yellow one there and it does look great but I've gone for Sapphire Blue as I think it's stunning. Got some more detail around how this opportunity came up, it looks like Porsche have shifted some allocation from less popular regions to the UK and Reading got two extra build slots but had to fill them short notice, they simply followed protocol and offered them out to the next two people on the list. Lucky us!!
Good news. Also sapphire with pccb and yellow stitching to match and tons of alcantara . Can't wait
DYKWIA said:
So I spent some time at the OPC yesterday running through my spec and getting the deposit paid. I saw a yellow one there and it does look great but I've gone for Sapphire Blue as I think it's stunning. Got some more detail around how this opportunity came up, it looks like Porsche have shifted some allocation from less popular regions to the UK and Reading got two extra build slots but had to fill them short notice, they simply followed protocol and offered them out to the next two people on the list. Lucky us!!
I'm pleased to hear more cars are coming, not just because it means that more people are getting what they want, it also means there's less scope for the speculators to profiteer, as more and more of those who wanted a car receive one and are not tempted to buy at a premium.
pete.g said:
I'm pleased to hear more cars are coming, not just because it means that more people are getting what they want, it also means there's less scope for the speculators to profiteer, as more and more of those who wanted a car receive one and are not tempted to buy at a premium.
If Porsche announced greater supply, quite a few names on the list would drop out.
Looks like they've just shifted some allocation and the UK got a *few* extra cars, the numbers are still tiny. I'm buying this car to drive it and I'm absolutely thrilled I managed to get one but, honestly, I don't expect this to affect residuals, some people are bound to speculate and profiteer.
Edited by DYKWIA on Tuesday 28th July 00:16
Cazooch said:
Maybe they are flooding the market with extra allocation?
Are you keeping the Exige still and the M4 Mark?
TheDeadPrussian said:
Same thing happened to me today, not sure about build date though - same dealership. Deposit paid.
I think the Exige LF1 will probably go - I'll decide over next couple of days, but I think it is too close to the GT4 to make sense... The M3 I'm not sure as yet - it might be different enough to stay.
Thrilled to get back in to a Porsche GT car - I've missed them!
No call from Guildford for me...
Not sure what I would do if they did offer me a car now!
I'm on holiday in Crete at the moment though, so I don't think I'll spend too much time worrying about it!
Sapphire is looking great though... Hmmmm...
I bet you are considering you didn't have a LOI or deposit down in February at launch! I think you've done amazingly well to get one from Reading as I was led to believe there was a very long list! Well Done Mark
TheDeadPrussian said:
I think the Exige LF1 will probably go - I'll decide over next couple of days, but I think it is too close to the GT4 to make sense... The M3 I'm not sure as yet - it might be different enough to stay.
Thrilled to get back in to a Porsche GT car - I've missed them!
You lucky GT4 chaps probably know this already, but just in case... Yesterday I was at PCE and they had a GT4 with German plates, looking around and sitting inside I noticed that the dash is a different material to the Cayman. Rather than being leather over a 'hard' base it was spongy type soft plastic, similar to Audi dashboards. Much more preferable to me, I've never understood wrapping everything like that in leather.
The front splitter looked appreciably lower than the CGTS, really looked like it would struggle with most speed bumps. And for that reason when they asked if I wanted to swap I declined.
(In my dreams)