£20k options on a 2.7 981 WTF - Page 3 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

is it just me, or does this seem insane to spend that kind of money optioning out a 2.7. Also with 9k on the clock seems steep if the list was circa £60k! or are residuals that strong for the 981?? http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

I guess its up to the individual, but its no more insane than any other luxury purchase. Its obvious what the buyers priorities were and it would seem that he/she soon got bored with it? Who knows, what I do know is that 58k for that today is probably insane.

DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted. I agree looks the business, but seriously £58k with 9k miles on it. Wonder if someone is taking the Pi$$ or prices are really holding with the pending pot4s on the horizon. Seems very steep!

mollytherocker said: I guess its up to the individual, but its no more insane than any other luxury purchase. Its obvious what the buyers priorities were and it would seem that he/she soon got bored with it? Who knows, what I do know is that 58k for that today is probably insane. yeah but £40k as base is hardly a luxury purchase in my book. Its only £10k more than a well optioned family saloon. When you shove £20k options it, yes it enters bracket I guess but thats like 50% of the car again. Madness. Should have got an S or a GTS with PTS imo if you wanted to spend that sort of money.

£40k on a car is a luxury purchase as far as I concerned. Nobody needs more than a secondhand 10k Focus. But then, it depends where you are coming from.

Trotmant said: I agree looks the business, but seriously £58k with 9k miles on it. Wonder if someone is taking the Pi$$ or prices are really holding with the pending pot4s on the horizon. Seems very steep! Got to be urine extraction - though I'd like to think values were holding up that well. I've seen new/near new prices for secondhand GTSs, but can't see it for a 2.7 or even an S.

Nothing to do with the OP comments about speccing and costs per se but that is one lovely colour car! Feeling the need for a full respray if I'm honest! Not me personally obv!

It does seem excessive to spend 50% of a car's value on options, but it is personal choice. However, I'd have thought that someone who does that would not be the same type of person who looks to move the car on at a year old, and then expect to get almost all of the money back on the options! It looks a great car for £10k less, but even then the market will be limited by the colour choice and the fact that a lot of people would prefer a slightly lesser spec'd S for that money.

mollytherocker said: £40k on a car is a luxury purchase as far as I concerned. Nobody needs more than a secondhand 10k Focus. But then, it depends where you are coming from. Yep, for most people any new car is a luxury purchase, let alone a 2 seater roadster that costs more than the national average salary before you start sticking options on it! It is pocket money for a lot of people though...

My old man is the same, spends silly money on options. He had a Boxster S with virtually every single option available. At least back then the GTS and GT4 were not even on the horizon. Options do make a big difference though in fairness, in terms of both the driving experience and also the feel of quality. What is more of a joke is how tight Porsche are with standard equipment. Just check what you get a in a middling Golf or Focus these days.

hondansx said: My old man is the same, spends silly money on options. He had a Boxster S with virtually every single option available. At least back then the GTS and GT4 were not even on the horizon. Options do make a big difference though in fairness, in terms of both the driving experience and also the feel of quality. What is more of a joke is how tight Porsche are with standard equipment. Just check what you get a in a middling Golf or Focus these days. Its almost like they are purposely trying to maximise profit eh?

The money people are willing to spend on "extras" never ceases to amaze me. As a general rule of thumb the best value for money lies at the bottom of the range of cars. After all, a base Boxster isn't much more expensive than a Lotus Elise. Astounding value for a bang-up-to-date six cylinder sportcar.

anonymous said: [redacted] Maybe to the untrained eye. But to a lover of caymans I can tell them apart in a second. Is it worth having the S? Well that depends on the reason it was purchased. Just find it very odd to spec 50% of the cars value in options and then move it one 1 year later. If someone pays £58k for it I will be truely blown away.

kingston12 said: mollytherocker said: £40k on a car is a luxury purchase as far as I concerned. Nobody needs more than a secondhand 10k Focus. But then, it depends where you are coming from. Yep, for most people any new car is a luxury purchase, let alone a 2 seater roadster that costs more than the national average salary before you start sticking options on it! It is pocket money for a lot of people though... I understand this. I guess my point was if you are going to spend £60k on a brand new car, there is alot of choice out there and imo better value for money than optioning out £20k on a 2.7k. For example if you wanted a performance roadster BGTS or CGTS or F-type... Or if its something to look nice in, why not the Alfa 4c, hardcore lotus....chap must of loved the zingy 2.7k Either way, stunning car.

anonymous said: [redacted] Guess he/she missed that box on the configuration pmsl

anonymous said: [redacted] We all have our pet hates. Personally mine is the 981s horrid, cheap, springy poorly engineered feel of the indicators and wiper stalks. Door cards don't get anywhere close. It would be nice if there was an option to make them feel as good as a Dacia....

anonymous said: [redacted] Because I use the indicator/wiper stalks umpteen times per journey - I actually see the door cards once or twice. But it's just what gets up your nose - for me, the door cards don't, the stalks do - for you the reverse. For some, leather is important, for me - it leaves me cold, ... or come to think of it, often .. hot.

anonymous said: [redacted] Like I say it's what gets up your nose. Aesthetics are completely personal - and, I have to say, completely subject to fashion. The current fashion (on cheapish cars) are soft plastics on the dash. Why? Do you ever caress your dash? I don't.. But then you could go for a painted dash as in a Fiat 500 - which of course is retro and COOL. Or perhaps a load of b ks.

so what do we think was the most pointless option out of the lot...?

Privacy glass. Whats the point of two small side glasses that are behind you and nobody will look at you from the outside. Darkened rear window makes visibility at night less

I love that colour and I was gutted that I couldn't get mine in that colour in time. Its all personally taste at the end of the day, I can't say much as mines got 23/24K worth of options on it. However, its what you want then go for it.

anonymous said: [redacted] hahah fair to say you won't be buying a 981 then in the future...? even when they are £20-30k? and you can have you pick of 20" rims on 2.7s

anonymous said: [redacted] I agree. I drove a 15 plate Cayman the other week. I like the interior in general much more than my 987, but the cheap plastic doorcards and dash and the manual seats really stood out. That car only had a few of the boxes ticked. On a £40k car, the plastic is cheap and pretty awful, but on a £60k one it is even worse.

anonymous said: [redacted] What's the problem. Nowhere for the pipe and slippers? 981 is an absolutely astounding car which I suspect is going to make its way into the history books as one of the all-time great real world sportscars. The chassis is sublime, the engine loves to rev and the interior is bang up to date. Value for money is astounding if you stay sensible in the options list.

Ozzie Osmond said: anonymous said: [redacted] What's the problem. Nowhere for the pipe and slippers? 981 is an absolutely astounding car which I suspect is going to make its way into the history books as one of the all-time great real world sportscars. The chassis is sublime, the engine loves to rev and the interior is bang up to date. Value for money is astounding if you stay sensible in the options list. I agree. Especially if it becomes last of the na flat 6s. I suspect will be remembered as one of the greats and no doubt the GT4 and Spyder will be highly desirable classics for years to come as a result.

anonymous said: [redacted] Not sure what/if the F4 being faster has anything to do with this. Increased performance does not makes something more likely to be a classic unless its breaking boundaries that set it in a class of its own. The 981.1 will not do this. History has proven that a segue in technology is more likely to define a classic, accompanied by cars that appear timeless in their looks or have enthusiast appeal. The 981 certainly ticks these boxes and the 2.7 example we started this thread with is a good example of a beautiful car in many people’s eyes. You only have to look at the F-type. Classic written all over it. Even with its farting exhaust you don’t like. That is a certain fact imo. As for not being allowed to think the 981.1 is a step backwards. It’s a free world have an opinion and don’t be afraid to vocalise it in the right way. Nobody can tell you how you feel. And I’m not sure why you would feel intimidated if people labelled you a Luddite. There are plenty of people how resist change until its forced on them. But eventually the market dictates not individual owner opinion.

Trotmant said: Not sure what/if the F4 being faster has anything to do with this. Increased performance does not makes something more likely to be a classic unless its breaking boundaries that set it in a class of its own. The 981.1 will not do this. I'd like to think that breaking boundaries in a good way was the defining criteria - but I think, far too often it's (like cars in general it must be said) more about looks, image and, especially, scarcity. Take a couple of (non-Porsche) examples. Dino 246 - Perhaps the fastest (percentage-wise) appreciating classic around. It genuinely is a boundary breaking car - Ferraris move to mid market mid engined cars. But you could say the same about the 914 Porsche - except that a 914 is only worth a tiny fraction of the value of a 246. Why? Because the 914 is ugly and 246 is anything but, and because the 246 is a rustbox there are hardly any left, so it's very rare. E-Type vs Elan. Both were actually quite ground- breaking in different ways. So why is a Mk1 E worth about 8 times the price of an Elan (but a 2+2 or V12 far far less). Scarcity and looks again (perhaps some still believe a 3.8 or 4.2 will get even close to 150mph). And, if you've driven them, you would know that actually an Elan is dynamically in a different league, and accelerates as fast despite having less than half the capacity. And why a car owned by Paul Newman should be worth far more an identical one owned by John Doe, or some unperforated stamps should be worth a small fortune I leave you to figure.

anonymous said: [redacted] I was quite surprised when I saw the ad for your Cayman to discover it is has the grey interior rather than black....even more surprising to see what looks like the 'ruffled' leather option on the seats.......reminds of the interior of an old Chrysler Voyager. My 981 has no leather ....just the alcantara seats and black 'low rent' plastic dash.....which looks much nicer IMO.... !! :-)

anonymous said: [redacted] Ha ha...like the NHS comment!! I know you're not in any hurry to shift it, but out of interest, are you getting many enquiries?

bcr5784 said: Trotmant said: Not sure what/if the F4 being faster has anything to do with this. Increased performance does not makes something more likely to be a classic unless its breaking boundaries that set it in a class of its own. The 981.1 will not do this. I'd like to think that breaking boundaries in a good way was the defining criteria - but I think, far too often it's (like cars in general it must be said) more about looks, image and, especially, scarcity. Take a couple of (non-Porsche) examples. Dino 246 - Perhaps the fastest (percentage-wise) appreciating classic around. It genuinely is a boundary breaking car - Ferraris move to mid market mid engined cars. But you could say the same about the 914 Porsche - except that a 914 is only worth a tiny fraction of the value of a 246. Why? Because the 914 is ugly and 246 is anything but, and because the 246 is a rustbox there are hardly any left, so it's very rare. E-Type vs Elan. Both were actually quite ground- breaking in different ways. So why is a Mk1 E worth about 8 times the price of an Elan (but a 2+2 or V12 far far less). Scarcity and looks again (perhaps some still believe a 3.8 or 4.2 will get even close to 150mph). And, if you've driven them, you would know that actually an Elan is dynamically in a different league, and accelerates as fast despite having less than half the capacity. And why a car owned by Paul Newman should be worth far more an identical one owned by John Doe, or some unperforated stamps should be worth a small fortune I leave you to figure. There will always be exceptions to the rule. Where inferior products become the dominant or desired. only have to look at the vhs vs betamax saga. No industry is exempt to this. But as a rule of thumb for cars i would say provided there is a step change in the technology and the looks are suited to timeless, its a got a higher chance than most. Look at lancia stratos falls apart. Still and always will be an icon because of the technology i.e. the fezza v6 and its look. Imo the 981 will be the prettiest cayman model for some time. Only have to look at the spy shots of the new 991.2 with turbos. IMO they just look awful and the cay/box will no doubt follow suite.

anonymous said: [redacted] Why haven't you mentioned its had an engine rebuild for bore scoring? thought this would have been a huge plus for a buyer. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015... Edited by Trotmant on Tuesday 21st July 22:45

anonymous said: [redacted] I think your reasons are sound. I think it properly says more about the prospect market that buyers are not even willing to research the risk and understand the huge upside of this. Odd. Which personally I think is crackers given £20k for most people is not a small sum of money. You think people would do their home work. For anyone reading this. Buy something thats been repaired. Otherwise you waiting for the ticking time bomb. As you know, could I wind the clock back, I would go for something exactly like yours. I didn't went for something that hadn't and £10k later you find out the former option was probably better.

Useful summery here, http://www.awmotorgroup.co.uk/car-repair/boxster-a...

anonymous said: [redacted] Even for £15k how much more of a risk is it to other performance cars I wonder? All I know was the MG's I used to have, their VVC's just went pop every five min. The amount of fun I had from my gen1 was priceless. Yes a bitter taste when it went pop, but luckily I had a warranty too (for the first episode). Still look back with fond memories even compared to the 981. There different animals, but both exceptional. It was one hell of a car of the money back then (<£30k). So now for half that again – YOLO I would be thinking if I was 5 years younger again.

Well this was always going to happen... http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015... Only another £10k to go...

anonymous said: [redacted] Agree - lovely colour (but don't think I could carry it off), but crazy to expect the options to hold their value like this and odd to not just buy a GTS and get more engine (and options, as standard) for your money...

Trotmant said: There will always be exceptions to the rule. Where inferior products become the dominant or desired. only have to look at the vhs vs betamax saga. No industry is exempt to this. But as a rule of thumb for cars i would say provided there is a step change in the technology and the looks are suited to timeless, its a got a higher chance than most. Look at lancia stratos falls apart. Still and always will be an icon because of the technology i.e. the fezza v6 and its look. Imo the 981 will be the prettiest cayman model for some time. Only have to look at the spy shots of the new 991.2 with turbos. IMO they just look awful and the cay/box will no doubt follow suite. I expect late 987.2s to be worth at least as much as 981s once they stop depreciating heavily. The buyer that is interested in a flat 6 NA engine will also probably want hydraulic steering. Also unlikely to care about incremental improvements in chassis rigidity (pointless), etc.

Having just bought a 2.7 with 2K of options it does seem an odd choice but then again if someone bought it new there are likely a few people who would want that spec second hand. Price seems to be taking the p*ss though.

ORD said: Trotmant said: There will always be exceptions to the rule. I expect late 987.2s to be worth at least as much as 981s once they stop depreciating heavily. The buyer that is interested in a flat 6 NA engine will also probably want hydraulic steering. Also unlikely to care about incremental improvements in chassis rigidity (pointless), etc. Agree - wonder how long before the R and Sypder are from stratospheric pricing.... 5-7years?

Trotmant said: Agree - wonder how long before the R and Sypder are from stratospheric pricing.... 5-7years? I think they are already on the up. The pace of increase is likely to go up a notch when the market notices that Porsches are going to be horrid from here on in!

Yeah the prospect of a F4 and the fake noise having to be pumped in the cabin is a massive no for me. I read online the Cayman s will only have 300bhp and the gts gets an increase of 30hp. If this ends up being true, they really are becoming be golfs in skirts. At least make the thing faster if your going to put a blower on it. Upside being I bet the mod market is licking its lips. Could have quite a bit of fun running the blower

Trotmant said: Yeah the prospect of a F4 and the fake noise having to be pumped in the cabin is a massive no for me. I read online the Cayman s will only have 300bhp and the gts gets an increase of 30hp. If this ends up being true, they really are becoming be golfs in skirts. At least make the thing faster if your going to put a blower on it. Upside being I bet the mod market is licking its lips. Could have quite a bit of fun running the blower I would imagine that Porsche will go to extreme lengths to stop the tuners successfully remapping etc. Also, surely the turbo will be relatively small? Remember that this is all about emissions and efficiency, not outright power.

Trotmant said: Yeah the prospect of a F4 and the fake noise having to be pumped in the cabin is a massive no for me. I read online the Cayman s will only have 300bhp and the gts gets an increase of 30hp. If this ends up being true, they really are becoming be golfs in skirts. At least make the thing faster if your going to put a blower on it. Upside being I bet the mod market is licking its lips. Could have quite a bit of fun running the blower While Porsches have never really been about 0-60 times, I'm afraid that if the power figures are true you are going to have the rather unedifying prospect of journalists doing track battles with 981.2 vs hot hatches and the 981s losing. I've just seen one of a Civic type R beating an M3....

F bcr5784 said: Trotmant said: Yeah the prospect of a F4 and the fake noise having to be pumped in the cabin is a massive no for me. I read online the Cayman s will only have 300bhp and the gts gets an increase of 30hp. If this ends up being true, they really are becoming be golfs in skirts. At least make the thing faster if your going to put a blower on it. Upside being I bet the mod market is licking its lips. Could have quite a bit of fun running the blower While Porsches have never really been about 0-60 times, I'm afraid that if the power figures are true you are going to have the rather unedifying prospect of journalists doing track battles with 981.2 vs hot hatches and the 981s losing. I've just seen one of a Civic type R beating an M3....

My wife's 981 boxster has just under 20k of options on it ,I paid about £1500 more for it than for a similar year/mileage car with 5k of options on it. I would like to thank the original buyer for taking that hit for us.

franki68 said: My wife's 981 boxster has just under 20k of options on it ,I paid about £1500 more for it than for a similar year/mileage car with 5k of options on it. I would like to thank the original buyer for taking that hit for us.

franki68 said: My wife's 981 boxster has just under 20k of options on it ,I paid about £1500 more for it than for a similar year/mileage car with 5k of options on it. I would like to thank the original buyer for taking that hit for us. now thats the best way to own a 20k optioned car.