New Porsche 991 Turbo Cab or new 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cab? - Page 2 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

I've just come out of a 458 Spider which was awesome but not something to use every day & have decided to come back to Porsche. I had a 997 Turbo Cab which was also awesome but seeing the spec & performance of the new GTS, I must admit the Carrera 4 GTS Cab is a very attractive option for me VS the new Turbo Cab because with a like for like spec, there is a difference of almost £19,000, for a performance difference of just 0.7 of a sec. I'd appreciate any opinions from PHers who've driven or considered buying either of these 2 models. I'm currently leaning to the GTS. I normally go for the more expensive model but this time I'm not sure I can justify it.......... Thanks

SnoopD said: I've just come out of a 458 Spider which was awesome but not something to use every day & have decided to come back to Porsche. I had a 997 Turbo Cab which was also awesome but seeing the spec & performance of the new GTS, I must admit the Carrera 4 GTS Cab is a very attractive option for me VS the new Turbo Cab because with a like for like spec, there is a difference of almost £19,000, for a performance difference of just 0.7 of a sec. I'd appreciate any opinions from PHers who've driven or considered buying either of these 2 models. I'm currently leaning to the GTS. I normally go for the more expensive model but this time I'm not sure I can justify it.......... Thanks Don't judge on the sprint times. It depends where you spend your miles, the devil is in the detail. 710nm of torque at 2,100 rpm vs 440nm at 5,750. If in the mood for a cab I would wait to see what the 981 Spyder brings to the table.

Carl_Docklands said: Don't judge on the sprint times. It depends where you spend your miles, the devil is in the detail. 710nm of torque at 2,100 rpm vs 440nm at 5,750. If in the mood for a cab I would wait to see what the 981 Spyder brings to the table. Thanks Carl. Spider sounds exciting but I need the 2+2 layout to get my 1 & 3 year olds in the back, so it's got to be a 991 a Cab.

SnoopD said: Carl_Docklands said: Don't judge on the sprint times. It depends where you spend your miles, the devil is in the detail. 710nm of torque at 2,100 rpm vs 440nm at 5,750. If in the mood for a cab I would wait to see what the 981 Spyder brings to the table. Thanks Carl. Spider sounds exciting but I need the 2+2 layout to get my 1 & 3 year olds in the back, so it's got to be a 991 a Cab. I hear you. I have a not-so-little-anymore 6 year old. Just make sure you clear the safety aspect of the 911 cab with the missus first, especially if you do motorway miles as safety a bit compromised in a 911 cab at speed. Not saying its an out and out death trap but best to raise it. I would consider the 4 Coupe as you can always put the roofbox on the top for family trips. Glass roof option is a good half-way house.

I haven't driven the GTS yet, hopefully within the next 10 days. However I predict the GTS will be much more fun to drive and sound much better. Saying that it's a personal thing and I love the look of the turbo.

Yep the wife is fine with a Cab. Wouldn't be spanking it hard with kids in the car. Callughan that's what I thought. GTS will be more fun. Exhaust note on the Turbo is disappointing whereas the GTS will have the sports exhaust. The badge isn't as good as the turbo & according to my OPC the supply of the GTS to the network will not be high so residual should be ok...... Tricky

SnoopD said: Yep the wife is fine with a Cab. Wouldn't be spanking it hard with kids in the car. Callughan that's what I thought. GTS will be more fun. Exhaust note on the Turbo is disappointing whereas the GTS will have the sports exhaust. The badge isn't as good as the turbo & according to my OPC the supply of the GTS to the network will not be high so residual should be ok...... Tricky If the 997 is anything to go by residuals will be strong. However price is high especially when you can buy a turbo or GT3 for not much more money.

It's a diff of 19k which I think is a big enough difference to consider the GTS. I want a GT3 but current gen is sold out so name at the top of the list for a next gen GT3 scheduled for end of 2016/ poss 2017

SnoopD said: It's a diff of 19k which I think is a big enough difference to consider the GTS. I want a GT3 but current gen is sold out so name at the top of the list for a next gen GT3 scheduled for end of 2016/ poss 2017 The way I was looking at it: 4 GTS is £95k +10/5k options, from OPC a used 991 turbo from 109k and used GT3 £124K obviously all before discount. I would personally go for GT3 and if I needed back seats then GTS with ducktail, as much as I like turbo after the kudos wore out for me sound and NA engine are a better match. Edited by Callughan on Thursday 27th November 23:17

I'm not prepared to pay 15-20k over list for a used GT3 & the nearly new turbo Cabs that have been up for sale are 7+ months old & are saving only 3k on what I could get a new one for with discount. So for me new it is & subject to sleeping on it, it's the GTS this time round. So you're considering one yourself then?

Need to drive 4 GTS before i decide.

My view: If money matters, the GTS is the first choice anyway. If money doesn't matter, I personally would also go for the GTS. This is likely to become the last normally aspirated 911 that can be ordered with a manual gearbox, and, hence, I predict a strong increase in price in only a few years. Let alone the 430bhp. It comes also closest to the Ferrari you drove (convertible + unsupercharged), while being a better car for day-to-day usage. Also, thr sound is much better that in the Turbo. Measured by the sheer punch the motor delivers, nothing compares to the Turbo, but I guess you wouldn't have started this thread if torque was the only thing you are looking for.... Marcus

The Turbo will be so much quicker! Also, in a restrained colour scheme with PCCBs they look really something with help from those rather wide rear hips! GTS wouldn't get a look in from me, even though you'd be missing out on sound. Drive both!

If money is no object - a 4GTS. The Turbo might be quicker, but IMO the delivery is actually less satisfying. The rear seating in the Coupe is generally more generous than the Cab (which has more vertical seat backs, which some px don't like). Not sure about the new Targas.

SnoopD said: I've just come out of a 458 Spider which was awesome but not something to use every day & have decided to come back to Porsche. All turbos since 4 wheel drive have been, well, unrewarding one trick ponys and certainly not drivers cars. Ive been watching all the youtube videos on the 991 turbo s and it seems as if Porsche have adressed the global disappointment and nailed it this time. I think you should grab an hour or two in one before you make your mind up. Going from a 458 into a GTS will feel like you're wearing lead boots and carrying bullion in the luggage compartment. I think it could be the turbo that you need. Edited by giggle on Sunday 30th November 15:31

Thanks guys. Some very valid points. I've had the chance to drive the new turbo & it is insanely quick. As quick as the 458 with Sports/ Sports Plus mode. Sadly these top end sports cars- Porsches, Lamborghinis, Ferraris, probably the new R8 Audi will all have turbo engines - I've been informed even Lamborghini are going that way too due to CO2 emissions like Ferrari are now having to thanks European Buerocrats.....! I'm off to Florida next week & will be in a humongous 5.0 litre Suburban SUV for the holiday. They don't care much about CO2 over there & those American engines sound FANTASTIC!!! The main reason for coming back to Porsche is because I can get away with using it for work. Sadly I couldn't do that with the F. Yes the sound of the GTS will be awesome & the 19k saving is appealing, but the sheer power of the Turbo is mind blowing with virtually no lag. Such a shame you don't get a good exhaust note & truthfully I didn't have many burnups in my 997 Turbo. I actually had many more people challenging me back when I had a GTR lol, so if I'm not going to truly benefit from that extra power, then the GTS is the one. Yes as recommended, I need to drive one....... Will let you know my decision. Will be on the phone to the OPC tomorrow. They've already got a deposit so I need to know when I can drive one & finally decide.

I'd go for the new targa.... i think they look fantastic, and that roof is a mechanical wonder!

SnoopD said: Thanks guys. Some very valid points. Such a shame you don't get a good exhaust note. Ive never been a buyer of aftermarket parts and always run my cars stock but having been considering a 991 Turbo S recently I found this page and some do seem very appealing https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=991+t...

I'd get the Turbo 100% . Imagine what the neighbours would think trading down to a normal 911 after a 458😜

Spaceman2001 said: I'd get the Turbo 100% . Imagine what the neighbours would think trading down to a normal 911 after a 458?? f k the neighbours you should always buy what you like

Callughan said: Spaceman2001 said: I'd get the Turbo 100% . Imagine what the neighbours would think trading down to a normal 911 after a 458?? f k the neighbours you should always buy what you like That's settled then.......get the personality bypass 'Turbine' with no driver interaction but silent exhaust to keep the neighbours happy.........

Lol not fussed what the neighbour thinks. Giggle yes that's a good point re retro exhausts but I'd be a little worried about the manufacturers warranty being voided. Revisiting those BHP/ RPM figures does make me now think the GTS isn't going to feel much different to the Carrera S/ 4S in terms of power so will I be disappointed as I thought the Carrera S was a bit gutless? No GTS to drive until next year which really doesn't help. If I only one which would hold its value better at the 2 year point?

Decision made....... Whilst I am attracted to the sports exhaust & the saving on the GTS, I was struggling with it being 100BHP less than the Turbo, so after much deliberation I've decided that more power & almost 1 second quicker 0-60 is more important to me. Turbo cab it is. Thanks to you all for your comments/ advice

SnoopD said: Decision made....... Whilst I am attracted to the sports exhaust & the saving on the GTS, I was struggling with it being 100BHP less than the Turbo, so after much deliberation I've decided that more power & almost 1 second quicker 0-60 is more important to me. Turbo cab it is. Thanks to you all for your comments/ advice Hope you enjoy it1 Funnily enough, I have made exactly the opposite decision for exactly opposite reason: I find the turbo just too much power to enjoy on the road. The normally aspirated version is just about exactly right for me. Then again, my recent history has been to want less torque, which is of course the signature of a relatively incompetant driver (which I have to admit to). Osito

Isito we all have different requirements for a car & I think you would agree both models are great! Enjoy yours & I'm looking forward to getting mine!

hi guys, I hope you both enjoy your new purchases when they arrive. I too was in a bit of a dilemma just a couple of months ago. I had just sold my ferrari f430 and was looking for something a little more usable, but not necessarily an everyday car. I still wanted something that was special enough to pull out of the garage when the mood took me. I first tested a 2011 997 turbo s cab and loved it. The speed was mind bending! but exhaust a little lacking. I do believe, however that they have now sorted this out with the 991 turbo versions. My budget,however would not stretch to a new turbo. I ended up buying an unregistered 991 4s coupe. The spec of my car includes the sport design kit, which includes the duck tail, the PDK box (wonderful in sports mode and left in auto) the sports chrono package and the all important sports exhaust (The noises the car makes, even below 3000 revs is amazing and the chatter on the overrun lovely. The noise at the higher revs consumes the entire cabin and is addictive) I am really happy with my purchase and find the car looks beautiful in white with the sports design kit and the black painted wheels, complemented beautifully with the wider rear end of the 4s. Whilst I enjoyed driving the F430 I was always anxious to put it back in the garage in case something happened to it, with the Porsche the enjoyment is equally as much if not more, the car feels so much more modern, much better gearbox, much better suspension and the confidence that the 4 wheel drive gives allows me to enjoy the car sop much more, that i end up not wanting to put the car back in the garage and also makes me really look forward to the next time I take it out. They are truly great and i am sure that you will both enjoy them!

Thanks Cymario. I had a 996 C4S a number of years back then a 997 Turbo last year. As you say the 4WD is fantastic & these cars could out handle your ex 430 & my ex 458 any day. Your car sounds like a great spec & I agree Porsche make brilliant sports cars. I will be using mine every day which I also couldn't do with my Ferrari. Looking forward to getting into mine! Enjoy yours too.

I changed my mind about turbo's which upto now have been relatively dull to me. Drove the 991 turbo and it literally got my adrenaline going, the best car I have ever driven, up to now was the 599! Exhaust note, throttle response, balance all major advances on the 997. I enjoyed it more than the 991 GT3

That's reassuring to read Callughan. I've not driven a 991 GT3 yet but am top of the list for the next gen GT3 due in approx 2 years. Will run the Turbo till then & then enjoy a GT3. That decision is (1) because it's as quick as the Turbo & (2) doesn't really lose any money if you run it for a year or so whereas the Turbo will unfortunately lose some money. Only small niggle with the Turbo is that you have to run it on Premium unleaded whereas the Carerras & my 458 can be run on standard unleaded. However I can live with that to enjoy the benefits the 991 model has to offer.

SnoopD said: That's reassuring to read Callughan. I've not driven a 991 GT3 yet but am top of the list for the next gen GT3 due in approx 2 years. Will run the Turbo till then & then enjoy a GT3. That decision is (1) because it's as quick as the Turbo & (2) doesn't really lose any money if you run it for a year or so whereas the Turbo will unfortunately lose some money. Only small niggle with the Turbo is that you have to run it on Premium unleaded whereas the Carerras & my 458 can be run on standard unleaded. However I can live with that to enjoy the benefits the 991 model has to offer. Can't believe after spending or funding nigh on 200k you would run a 458 or a Carrera on 95 unleaded to save c6p a litre! False economy......they run sweeter on higher octane as well as being more economical. Good luck with gen 2 GT3.......chances are it will be a long wait...

Just saw the GTS at Westfield, didn't really do it for me apart from the turbo S alloys. The car sounded naff in the auditorium they have created too but of course hard to replicate through speakers.

SnoopD said: That's reassuring to read Callughan. I've not driven a 991 GT3 yet but am top of the list for the next gen GT3 due in approx 2 years. Will run the Turbo till then & then enjoy a GT3. That decision is (1) because it's as quick as the Turbo & (2) doesn't really lose any money if you run it for a year or so whereas the Turbo will unfortunately lose some money. Only small niggle with the Turbo is that you have to run it on Premium unleaded whereas the Carerras & my 458 can be run on standard unleaded. However I can live with that to enjoy the benefits the 991 model has to offer. You absolutely must be joking! It's like buying a £1000 steak and skimping on the fries to go with it.

If you're concerned that the 991 Turbo sounds a bit boring and lacks any exhaust personality have a look and listen at the great Sharkwerks exhaust upgrade! Have one on my 997.2 GTS and heard them on the 997.2 and 991 Turbo and they sound epic giving the more some much needed personality. http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=422 Chris

Thanks Chris for the link. I'm currently holidaying in Florida & for some reason your link will not open out here? How long did it take to fit the exhaust to your beast? Does it affect the Porsche warranty, fitting an after market exhaust upgrade?

SnoopD said: Thanks Chris for the link. I'm currently holidaying in Florida & for some reason your link will not open out here? How long did it take to fit the exhaust to your beast? Does it affect the Porsche warranty, fitting an after market exhaust upgrade? On my 997.2 GTS the exhaust swap out was a 2 hour job but on the 991 Turbo & S its a bit more involved with more dismantling to change. I would say a 5 hour job to change. Once done it is completely reversible (not that you would ever want to!) back to standard. Warranty wise its very much dependent on your relationship with your OPC as I found out with my GTS. Local OPC said no issues on the warranty on un-associated parts but obviously the exhaust wouldn't be covered (the exhaust isn't covered on Porsche extended warranty anyway). So if a Shock absorber failed it couldn't be linked with the exhaust switch etc. As I said it all depends on your relationship with your dealer. Have a good holiday! Chris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAOpL6-9xhs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LcYXlpOcoc Edited by chrisABP on Monday 15th December 12:14

Thanks Chris for those 2 other links. It does sound very good! Ok I will speak to my OPC re warranty. I think it will be fine. Having said good bye to the 458 I'm currently in a Golf GTD until the Turbo arrives early April. Can't wait to feel some power again. The Golf is nice but pretty gutless. Bought it as it barely depreciates in 6-7 months as a run around until the big boy arrives.