Why so many 992 GT3’s for sale? - Page 5 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

Had a quick look on auto trader and there were 37 cars for sale? Having previously owned a 991.2 GT3 and found the ride to be just about on the bearable side for UK B roads is the 992 just too stiff? Or are people just getting out of them whilst the prices are still high?

Flippers and DW front suspension would appear to be partly to blame.

av185 said: Flippers and DW front suspension would appear to be partly to blame. I expected mine to be very stiff and jiggly from what people had told me but not at all absolutely fine for road use, great car to drive.

av185 said: Flippers and DW front suspension would appear to be partly to blame. DW?

jm8403 said: av185 said: Flippers and DW front suspension would appear to be partly to blame. DW? Double Wishbone

Geoff39GL said: jm8403 said: av185 said: Flippers and DW front suspension would appear to be partly to blame. DW? Double Wishbone What is the issue with that? One I drove felt brilliant.

Geoff39GL said: av185 said: Flippers and DW front suspension would appear to be partly to blame. I expected mine to be very stiff and jiggly from what people had told me but not at all absolutely fine for road use, great car to drive. How do you find your 992 v your 991.2 GT3 overall G?

jm8403 said: Geoff39GL said: jm8403 said: av185 said: Flippers and DW front suspension would appear to be partly to blame. DW? Double Wishbone What is the issue with that? One I drove felt brilliant. Its a lot stiffer than the 991.2. Supposed to be twice as stiff on front axle but as Andreas Preeninger said " the 992-gen GT3 has stiffer, faster-reacting damping, but with more comfort than before" Not got a problem with mine.

Geoff39GL said: jm8403 said: Geoff39GL said: jm8403 said: av185 said: Flippers and DW front suspension would appear to be partly to blame. DW? Double Wishbone What is the issue with that? One I drove felt brilliant. Its a lot stiffer than the 991.2. Supposed to be twice as stiff on front axle but as Andreas Preeninger said " the 992-gen GT3 has stiffer, faster-reacting damping, but with more comfort than before" Not got a problem with mine. Thanks for that, and are people actually citing that as the reason they're selling?

av185 said: Geoff39GL said: av185 said: Flippers and DW front suspension would appear to be partly to blame. I expected mine to be very stiff and jiggly from what people had told me but not at all absolutely fine for road use, great car to drive. How do you find your 992 v your 991.2 GT3 overall G? AV didn't have a 991.2 only a 991.1 and its a much better car.

Geoff39GL said: av185 said: Geoff39GL said: av185 said: Flippers and DW front suspension would appear to be partly to blame. I expected mine to be very stiff and jiggly from what people had told me but not at all absolutely fine for road use, great car to drive. How do you find your 992 v your 991.2 GT3 overall G? AV didn't have a 991.2 only a 991.1 and its a much better car. Ah yes I remember now. I had a 991.1 too from new great package but rate the 991.2 better and not just because of the 'manuel' gearbox but mainly because of the superior engine.

Agreed mine is manual as well. Its just an occasion to drive imo

I know someone who had one. Saw him a few weeks ago and asked him how it was going and said he’d sold it. Said, unless he was going to use it on track, it wasn’t really that great on UK roads. He also thought that there were actually quite a lot sold, so decided to get out while there was a profit in it. Dealer offered him a slot for the new 992T which he thinks will suit him much better.

Is 37 cars for sale really a lot considering there are likely ~700 registered in the UK? Proportionate to the number registered there was probably a greater percentage for sale a year ago. The low speed ride on very bumpy roads ~20 mph is a bit jittery but once on the move at higher speed it's fine. Chris Harris put it down to the seat cushioning ("not enough cushioning under your ar5e" or something like that) but I don't think that has anything to do with it. DW alone doesn't result in harsher ride (the R8 has had DW since 2006) - it's the spring / damper setup.

Someone did say if you the tyre pressures right then it’s absolutely fine!

gt4rs.wp said: Someone did say if you the tyre pressures right then it’s absolutely fine! Also set the ARB's to soft front and rear and get a decent geo. The spring rate is the same up front as the 991.2 GT3 RS but the spring angle is very different with the DW front suspension. Although it's only a true DW at the top, the bottom pair coffin arms.

jm8403 said: Geoff39GL said: jm8403 said: Geoff39GL said: jm8403 said: av185 said: Flippers and DW front suspension would appear to be partly to blame. DW? Double Wishbone What is the issue with that? One I drove felt brilliant. Its a lot stiffer than the 991.2. Supposed to be twice as stiff on front axle but as Andreas Preeninger said " the 992-gen GT3 has stiffer, faster-reacting damping, but with more comfort than before" Not got a problem with mine. Thanks for that, and are people actually citing that as the reason they're selling? It’s why I sold mine - and I paid overs and sold for less than I bought it for. Played with tyre pressure and it helped marginally. Couldn’t be arsed with it, much prefer my other cars.

AndrewD said: jm8403 said: Geoff39GL said: jm8403 said: Geoff39GL said: jm8403 said: av185 said: Flippers and DW front suspension would appear to be partly to blame. DW? Double Wishbone What is the issue with that? One I drove felt brilliant. Its a lot stiffer than the 991.2. Supposed to be twice as stiff on front axle but as Andreas Preeninger said " the 992-gen GT3 has stiffer, faster-reacting damping, but with more comfort than before" Not got a problem with mine. Thanks for that, and are people actually citing that as the reason they're selling? It’s why I sold mine - and I paid overs and sold for less than I bought it for. Played with tyre pressure and it helped marginally. Couldn’t be arsed with it, much prefer my other cars. Interesting, I didn't realise it was that much more harsh than the others.

Nuttcase said: Is 37 cars for sale really a lot considering there are likely ~700 registered in the UK? Proportionate to the number registered there was probably a greater percentage for sale a year ago. . Are there really 700 x 992 GT3 in the UK? Seems like a really big number that?

finmac said: Are there really 700 x 992 GT3 in the UK? Seems like a really big number that? Including Tourings, I'd say that's a fair estimate. I now see @Boyd Rees was referring only to winged GT3s as there are a total of 47 GT3s (incl. Touring) for sale on AT. There were 557 GT3s (incl. Touring) registered as of end Q3, 2022 with 167 and 143 registered in Q2 and Q3 respectively. Continuing that trend to Q4 and and Q1, 2023, 700+ total seems a fair estimate. I know my local OPC has registered at least 2 x Touring and 1 x winged in Q1, and that's one dealer out of 44 in UK. We will have full insight on the numbers when the DVLA release the data mid year.

I personally think ‘the DW, I don’t like the ride or steering’ is a rather convenient cover for most people seeing 992 GT3 as last opportunity to cash in on easy overs. As has been said … it’s only ‘just about’ technically double wishbone.. as only the top is a single piece a-arm… the bottom is the normal lower control arm and thrust arm setup we’ve seen in previous generations. Most people have zero idea of what it means and are just parroting what the journos have said as it helps them justify the flip. By now people should have known what they are buying… it’s all laid out in the technical detail… but they still go ahead, because the easy £££ signs are calling. It gets my goat, and grinds my gears…. but the world keeps turning. Additional, of course there are a lot of car that may have been returned by customer for list as part of arrangement to get the next thing. I can understand that. Notwithstanding the insane markup that dealers then resell for… but that’s how free market works. Edited by TDT on Saturday 1st April 20:20

Nuttcase said: finmac said: Are there really 700 x 992 GT3 in the UK? Seems like a really big number that? Including Tourings, I'd say that's a fair estimate. I now see @Boyd Rees was referring only to winged GT3s as there are a total of 47 GT3s (incl. Touring) for sale on AT. There were 557 GT3s (incl. Touring) registered as of end Q3, 2022 with 167 and 143 registered in Q2 and Q3 respectively. Continuing that trend to Q4 and and Q1, 2023, 700+ total seems a fair estimate. I know my local OPC has registered at least 2 x Touring and 1 x winged in Q1, and that's one dealer out of 44 in UK. We will have full insight on the numbers when the DVLA release the data mid year. My OPC told me they were getting 24, they got 18 991.2's. There were circa 650 991.2's delivered in the UK so if that % increase is repeated across UK OPC's it's looking like 800 cars. UK production run for 991.2 was less than a year, they've been delivering 992's for a lot longer than that already but obviously have been production issues.

Could the 992 gt3 be the first gt3 to have over 1000 units delivered to the Uk? Would make sense as porsche can sell them 5 times over!

Going back to a GT3 after a 600LT?

TDT said: I personally think ‘the DW, I don’t like the ride or steering’ is a rather convenient cover for most people seeing 992 GT3 as last opportunity to cash in on easy overs. As has been said … it’s only ‘just about’ technically double wishbone.. as only the top is a single piece a-arm… the bottom is the normal lower control arm and thrust arm setup we’ve seen in previous generations. Most people have zero idea of what it means and are just parroting what the journos have said as it helps them justify the flip. By now people should have known what they are buying… it’s all laid out in the technical detail… but they still go ahead, because the easy £££ signs are calling. It gets my goat, and grinds my gears…. but the world keeps turning. Additional, of course there are a lot of car that may have been returned by customer for list as part of arrangement to get the next thing. I can understand that. Notwithstanding the insane markup that dealers then resell for… but that’s how free market works. Edited by TDT on Saturday 1st April 20:20 I sold my Touring for precisely that reason. It was bought for the long term but after 1100 miles mainly on A and B roads I decided that travelling at speed was potentially dangerous as the front was too stiff. Long journeys were not enjoyable. It was far stiffer than my 991.2 GT3 and not suitable for my intended use to go touring.

Why so many for for sale... ...because they made so many

The harsh ride people talk about has got to be down to set up and perhaps tyre pressures. Mine rides better than the 992 Turbo S I had with SPASM

The effect of the half DWs on making the GT3 hard work to drive on our bumpy undulating rough roads can be partly solved by taking it to a reputable geometry specialist such a Centre Gravity. My 812SF exhibits the same behaviour but to a lesser extent made worse by the Pirelli PZ4s which have very stiff side walls especially when cold. It sniffs cambers like a dog after a rabbit scent. However get a good geo with slightly more toe in and change the tyres for ones with softer side walls such as MIchelin MP4Ss and I bet the 992GT3's behaviour on our iffy roads would be transformed for the better. I agree with TDT that a lot of owners are simply using excuses to disguise 'flipping'. I fully expect this to be replicated with the even more profitable 992GT3 RS.

Implus1 said: Going back to a GT3 after a 600LT? Doubtful but I’m always looking

Anyone think people are also cashing out before 992.2 arrives and the possibility of a price drop increases? When I bought my 991.2 GT3 it was under 2 years old and less than 2000 miles and cost me a fraction over list £146k from memory whereas a 2 year old 992 GT3 is still around £30-40k overs

Taffy66 said: The effect of the half DWs on making the GT3 hard work to drive on our bumpy undulating rough roads can be partly solved by taking it to a reputable geometry specialist such a Centre GravityRS It’s not the DW front end it’s the primarily the higher spring rate than the 991.2 GT3 although the spring angle is of course different with the damper angle so it’s not exactly apples for apples on that. Couple the fact the cars from the factory in the main are not set up spot on (not checked at the factory) then it’s no wonder some cars don’t inspire confidence. Also the plethora of other sports cars , SUV’s and other vehicles are not camber sniffers and it’s not a new technology being invented in the 1930’s and these cars don’t suffer the same issues. Folks that have softened off the ARB’s and had a proper geo don’t have complaints so dismissing the car before having this done seems a truffle Unfair. Edited by 993rsr on Sunday 2nd April 16:22 Edited by 993rsr on Sunday 2nd April 16:23

993rsr said: It’s not the DW front end it’s the primarily the higher spring rate than the 991.2 GT3 although the spring angle is of course different with the damper angle so it’s not exactly apples for apples on that. Couple the fact the cars from the factory in the main are not set up spot on (not checked at the factory) then it’s no wonder some cars don’t inspire confidence. Also the plethora of other sports cars , SUV’s and other vehicles are not camber sniffers and it’s not a new technology being invented in the 1930’s and these cars don’t suffer the same issues. Folks that have softened off the ARB’s and had a proper geo don’t have complaints so dismissing the car before having this done seems a truffle Unfair. Edited by 993rsr on Sunday 2nd April 16:22 Edited by 993rsr on Sunday 2nd April 16:23 I used mine in all weathers and on all sorts of road surface, but mainly bumpy welsh B roads, and I never experienced the twitchy front end that many speak of. Mine was on Michelin cups, and usually set at the lower comfort pressure. I put it on the geometry bed, and the corner weights and geometry was all within tolerance. It should be noted that many who suggest it’s too twitchy for UK roads are just repeating what a few journalists have said, they don’t have actual personal experience to comment….

IIRC the spring rates on the 992GT3 is the same as the GT4 RS. In the few hundred miles I've done in mine so far also on Welsh B roads I haven't as of yet experienced tramlining. In fact Its nothing like what some journos have said, maybe we all have different tolerances regarding ride on rougher roads. I did nearly 8k miles in my 991.2GT3 RS and even with a track biased set up I never found it a problem. Yet many owners have experienced issues with the 992GT3 echoed by Harry Metcalfe, Even Chris Harris sold his over his 991 Touring. Andrew D sold his as well who IMO has got a better handle on these type of cars than virtually anyone on here. Cold stiff side walled tyres(same goes for high inflations) seem to exasperate the problems. As I said in my previous post take it to Chris Franklin at CG and put some less track focused tyres on see if it helps.

Taffy66 said: IIRC the spring rates on the 992GT3 is the same as the GT4 RS. In the few hundred miles I've done in mine so far also on Welsh B roads I haven't as of yet experienced tramlining. In fact Its nothing like what some journos have said, maybe we all have different tolerances regarding ride on rougher roads. I did nearly 8k miles in my 991.2GT3 RS and even with a track biased set up I never found it a problem. Yet many owners have experienced issues with the 992GT3 echoed by Harry Metcalfe, Even Chris Harris sold his over his 991 Touring. Andrew D sold his as well who IMO has got a better handle on these type of cars than virtually anyone on here. Cold stiff side walled tyres(same goes for high inflations) seem to exasperate the problems. As I said in my previous post take it to Chris Franklin at CG and put some less track focused tyres on see if it helps. For the owners that found them too compromised, there as many if not more that are perfectly happy, and some have also found delivered cars to be out of factory specification on the geo. Cars are not checked at the factory, sub-assemblies arrive and are fitted onto the cars, some cars are not within manufacturers specs. I didn't see Harris mention he was selling his 992 GT3T because of the stiff front end - in fact he waxed lyrical about it on numerous occasions - and with respect to the great and hugely adorable Andrew D, I'm sure even he would concede that IREvans credentials are far more pertinent. It's the same with tyres, some folks say if you drive Cup2 in the cold and wet you will crash into a ball of fire within 100 feet. I managed 500 miles over last weekend and this with my 980 in biblical weather well under 7 degrees and with a modicum of care and restraint it was a non-issue. I agree, to a degree it's about peoples appetite for compromise, but again, the DW front suspension is not the route cause of folks complaint about the 992GT3 front end. Edited by 993rsr on Sunday 2nd April 17:21

993rsr said: For the owners that found them too compromised, there as many if not more that are perfectly happy, and some have also found delivered cars to be out of factory specification on the geo. Cars are not checked at the factory, sub-assemblies arrive and are fitted onto the cars, some cars are not within manufacturers specs. I didn't see Harris mention he was selling his 992 GT3T because of the stiff front end - in fact he waxed lyrical about it on numerous occasions - and with respect to the great and hugely adorable Andrew D, I'm sure even he would concede that IREvans credentials are far more pertinent. It's the same with tyres, some folks say if you drive Cup2 in the cold and wet you will crash into a ball of fire within 100 feet. I managed 500 miles over last weekend and this with my 980 in biblical weather well under 7 degrees and with a modicum of care and restraint it was a non-issue. I agree, to a degree it's about peoples appetite for compromise, but again, the DW front suspension is not the route cause of folks complaint about the 992GT3 front end. Edited by 993rsr on Sunday 2nd April 17:21 I've heard from a very reliable source that two GT4 RS's were sold as the owners felt it was too harsh for UK B roads. This made me pretty nevous before picking mine up however I was pleasantly surprised how compliant it was. The very high spring rates were matched with very well judged damping values IMO. Just like the 992GT3 it shows people have hugely varying tolerances towards ride quality. I always prefer a firm well damped ride in all cars.

Taffy66 said: 993rsr said: For the owners that found them too compromised, there as many if not more that are perfectly happy, and some have also found delivered cars to be out of factory specification on the geo. Cars are not checked at the factory, sub-assemblies arrive and are fitted onto the cars, some cars are not within manufacturers specs. I didn't see Harris mention he was selling his 992 GT3T because of the stiff front end - in fact he waxed lyrical about it on numerous occasions - and with respect to the great and hugely adorable Andrew D, I'm sure even he would concede that IREvans credentials are far more pertinent. It's the same with tyres, some folks say if you drive Cup2 in the cold and wet you will crash into a ball of fire within 100 feet. I managed 500 miles over last weekend and this with my 980 in biblical weather well under 7 degrees and with a modicum of care and restraint it was a non-issue. I agree, to a degree it's about peoples appetite for compromise, but again, the DW front suspension is not the route cause of folks complaint about the 992GT3 front end. Edited by 993rsr on Sunday 2nd April 17:21 I've heard from a very reliable source that two GT4 RS's were sold as the owners felt it was too harsh for UK B roads. This made me pretty nevous before picking mine up however I was pleasantly surprised how compliant it was. The very high spring rates were matched with very well judged damping values IMO. Just like the 992GT3 it shows people have hugely varying tolerances towards ride quality. I always prefer a firm well damped ride in all cars. As I said, key point is those claiming the partial front DW's are responsible for the firm ride are misinformed.

993rsr said: As I said, key point is those claiming the partial front DW's are responsible for the firm ride are misinformed. I don't recall anyone claiming the DWs are resposible for the 992GT3's firm ride. Just got back from a 55 mile route local to me on my favourite B road which exposes every nuance of dynamic ability of any car. Its got everything including dips, crests, switchbacks, rough undulating sections etc. My son drove my 718GT4 first and I then drove the same route in my 4RS. Surprise was the 4RS wasn't noticeably harsher in terms of ride quality even on Steels where my GT4 has got PCCBs.

Taffy66 said: 993rsr said: As I said, key point is those claiming the partial front DW's are responsible for the firm ride are misinformed. I don't recall anyone claiming the DWs are resposible for the 992GT3's firm ride. Just got back from a 55 mile route local to me on my favourite B road which exposes every nuance of dynamic ability of any car. Its got everything including dips, crests, switchbacks, rough undulating sections etc. My son drove my 718GT4 first and I then drove the same route in my 4RS. Surprise was the 4RS wasn't noticeably harsher in terms of ride quality even on Steels where my GT4 has got PCCBs. Taffy66 said: The effect of the half DWs on making the GT3 hard work to drive on our bumpy undulating rough roads Well perhaps you’ve changed your mind now. Edited by 993rsr on Sunday 2nd April 23:30 Edited by 993rsr on Monday 3rd April 06:27

Owning both, a 1.2 and a 2.1 Touring, I don't see an issue with ride comfort in the latter. Yes, it feels tauter at very low speeds but comes into its own at medium speeds already. I find the chassis much more cohesive than in the 1.2 where e.g. the rear steer isn't as organic as in the later iteration

993rsr said: Well perhaps you’ve changed your mind now. Edited by 993rsr on Sunday 2nd April 23:30 Edited by 993rsr on Monday 3rd April 06:27 No I haven't changed my mind. Hard work to drive on undulating roads refers to the habit it has of following cambers and nothing whatsoever to do with the firm ride. At no point have I said the DWs causes the overly firm ride. As I said before my 812SF behaves in exactly the same way as the 992GT3 on roughly cambered roads. Its a combination of having a very quick geared lighty steering, aggressive Rear axle steering and stiff(or cold) tyres helped by DWs. Its why I used the simple analogy''Sniffs cambers like a dog following the scent of a rabbit'' So to recap following cambers on rough roads has nothing whatsoever to do with ride quality. Ride quality is determined by spring rates and damping values. Softening the ARBs to the softest position also helps ride but probably not advisable on the already grippy front end of the GT3. And lastly in a format you might understand better.

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Taffy66 said: 993rsr said: Well perhaps you’ve changed your mind now. Edited by 993rsr on Sunday 2nd April 23:30 Edited by 993rsr on Monday 3rd April 06:27 No I haven't changed my mind. Hard work to drive on undulating roads refers to the habit it has of following cambers and nothing whatsoever to do with the firm ride. At no point have I said the DWs causes the overly firm ride. As I said before my 812SF behaves in exactly the same way as the 992GT3 on roughly cambered roads. Its a combination of having a very quick geared lighty steering, aggressive Rear axle steering and stiff(or cold) tyres helped by DWs. Its why I used the simple analogy''Sniffs cambers like a dog following the scent of a rabbit'' So to recap following cambers on rough roads has nothing whatsoever to do with ride quality. Ride quality is determined by spring rates and damping values. Softening the ARBs to the softest position also helps ride but probably not advisable on the already grippy front end of the GT3. And lastly in a format you might understand better. So after saying 'The effect of the half DWs on making the GT3 hard work to drive on our bumpy undulating rough roads' what you actually meant was that DW's make the car hard work to drive on the roads because they follow cambers more. If that's the case, how do the plethora of other vehicles using DW suspension not exhibit the same traits you mention, and of course the fact that DW suspension actually controls camber more affectively than a MS? As Dr S said 'Owning both, a 1.2 and a 2.1 Touring, I don't see an issue with ride comfort in the latter. Yes, it feels tauter at very low speeds but comes into its own at medium speeds already. I find the chassis much more cohesive than in the 1.2 where e.g. the rear steer isn't as organic as in the later iteration'

Just watch Harry Metcalfe driving his press 992GT3 on his rough cambered test B road, then watch him doing exactly the same drive in the press GT4 RS.

And I raise you

993rsr said: So after saying 'The effect of the half DWs on making the GT3 hard work to drive on our bumpy undulating rough roads' what you actually meant was that DW's make the car hard work to drive on the roads because they follow cambers more. If that's the case, how do the plethora of other vehicles using DW suspension not exhibit the same traits you mention, and of course the fact that DW suspension actually controls camber more affectively than a MS? As Dr S said 'Owning both, a 1.2 and a 2.1 Touring, I don't see an issue with ride comfort in the latter. Yes, it feels tauter at very low speeds but comes into its own at medium speeds already. I find the chassis much more cohesive than in the 1.2 where e.g. the rear steer isn't as organic as in the later iteration' The entire purpose of a double wishbone front suspension is to maintain more control of the wheel camber and tyre contact patch. Cars with double wishbones have been around for decades, and they don’t exhibit a natural tendency to follow cambers. The 992 GT3RS has even higher front and rear spring rates than a 992GT3, yet still doesn’t follow cambers (and actually has very similar ride comfort). Also worth noting that a 991.1 GT3 and 991.2 GT3 had exactly the same front and rear spring rates, yet were subtlety different in the way their front ends behaved. I think we need a Venn diagram for this discussion; The 2 components to be those who’ve actually driven a 992GT3/RS and those who haven’t…!

IREvans said: 993rsr said: So after saying 'The effect of the half DWs on making the GT3 hard work to drive on our bumpy undulating rough roads' what you actually meant was that DW's make the car hard work to drive on the roads because they follow cambers more. If that's the case, how do the plethora of other vehicles using DW suspension not exhibit the same traits you mention, and of course the fact that DW suspension actually controls camber more affectively than a MS? As Dr S said 'Owning both, a 1.2 and a 2.1 Touring, I don't see an issue with ride comfort in the latter. Yes, it feels tauter at very low speeds but comes into its own at medium speeds already. I find the chassis much more cohesive than in the 1.2 where e.g. the rear steer isn't as organic as in the later iteration' The entire purpose of a double wishbone front suspension is to maintain more control of the wheel camber and tyre contact patch. Cars with double wishbones have been around for decades, and they don’t exhibit a natural tendency to follow cambers. Precisely this, and Mr Citroen in the 30's we have to thank.

IREvans said: I think we need a Venn diagram for this discussion; The 2 components to be those who’ve actually driven a 992GT3/RS and those who haven’t…! I wanted to say this…but I’m not yet qualified…lol

TDT said: IREvans said: I think we need a Venn diagram for this discussion; The 2 components to be those who’ve actually driven a 992GT3/RS and those who haven’t…! I wanted to say this…but I’m not yet qualified…lol Doesn't seem to stop others

Taffy66 said: Softening the ARBs to the softest position also helps ride but probably not advisable on the already grippy front end of the GT3. ] Not advisable, really?? I run my front ARB full soft all the time, and the rear full stiff in the summer/on track and full soft in the wetter colder months or if it's wet on track.

993rsr said: Not advisable, really?? I run my front ARB full soft all the time, and the rear full stiff in the summer/on track and full soft in the wetter colder months or if it's wet on track. You are correct. The anti roll bar doesn’t contribute much at all to ride quality, that is a function of the spring and damper relationship. As you’ve discovered, the softer you make the front anti roll bar, the less roll stiffness you will have, and therefore the more eager the front turn in will be, by the same theory, the stiff ARB setting on the rear axle will encourage the rear axle to rotate. You can also affect roll stiffness by softening the low speed bump and/or opening the low speed rebound on the front axle, to encourage more roll through turn in. This is the 992RS’ party trick..!

IREvans said: You are correct. The anti roll bar doesn’t contribute much at all to ride quality, that is a function of the spring and damper relationship. As you’ve discovered, the softer you make the front anti roll bar, the less roll stiffness you will have, and therefore the more eager the front turn in will be, by the same theory, the stiff ARB setting on the rear axle will encourage the rear axle to rotate. You can also affect roll stiffness by softening the low speed bump and/or opening the low speed rebound on the front axle, to encourage more roll through turn in. This is the 992RS’ party trick..! Unbelievable….. and I really mean this in the kindest way… Porsche gave a car to someone that actually has an idea of what the adjustable settings will do. (I now fully expect this to be parroted in future 992 3RS discussions, verbatim).

993rsr said: Not advisable, really?? I run my front ARB full soft all the time, and the rear full stiff in the summer/on track and full soft in the wetter colder months or if it's wet on track. Bit confused now. It seems you're referring to your 991.2GT3 or have you changed it for a 992GT3 ? Whatever the case the 991GT3 and 992GT3 behave very differently, some much prefer the 991 and others on here much prefer the 992 version. If you haven't changed to a 992GT3 I'm assuming you've driven one. If so what side of the fence do you fall on, 991 side or 992 side ?

Taffy66 said: 993rsr said: Not advisable, really?? I run my front ARB full soft all the time, and the rear full stiff in the summer/on track and full soft in the wetter colder months or if it's wet on track. Bit confused now. It seems you're referring to your 991.2GT3 or have you changed it for a 992GT3 ? Whatever the case the 991GT3 and 992GT3 behave very differently, some much prefer the 991 and others on here much prefer the 992 version. If you haven't changed to a 992GT3 I'm assuming you've driven one. If so what side of the fence do you fall on, 991 side or 992 side ? Now you're not confused, you are just clutching at straws. Your observations are clearly incorrect regarding the DW front suspension, you didn't want to agree with me, fair enough, but now agree with IR Evans who is saying the same thing I've driven 992 GT3's for a number of road miles, majority on mountain roads in France, and found no issue with either the ride quality or any propensity for camber sniffing. Clearly DW Front suspension offers advantages as have been outlined, personally I prefer my 991 Touring - not doubting the 992 GT3 is more capable and faster, but myself I prefer the earlier car's looks externally and internally and am not interested in squeezing another second or two on track, and on the road my 991 is more than fast enough for me. And as for the 991.2 GT3 and 992 GT3 behaving very differently, with all due respect that is cobblers. Edited by 993rsr on Monday 3rd April 18:23

993rsr said: Now you're not confused, you are just clutching at straws. Your observations are clearly incorrect regarding the DW front suspension, you didn't want to agree with me, fair enough, but now agree with IR Evans who is saying the same thing I've driven 992 GT3's for a number of road miles, majority on mountain roads in France, and found no issue with either the ride quality or any propensity for camber sniffing. Clearly DW Front suspension offers advantages as have been outlined, personally I prefer my 991 Touring - not doubting the 992 GT3 is more capable and faster, but myself I prefer the earlier car's looks externally and internally and am not interested in squeezing another second or two on track, and on the road my 991 is more than fast enough for me. And as for the 991.2 GT3 and 992 GT3 behaving very differently, with all due respect that is cobblers. Edited by 993rsr on Monday 3rd April 18:23 In my view, if you drive 991.1, 991.2, 991.2RS, 992GT3, and then 992RS, the individual differences between each of them is extremely incremental. The biggest surprise is that whilst the 992 has a shorter spring, installed at a different angle, to get a similar wheel rate (a function of the spring rate) it needs to be a much stiffer spring, yet the way it drives, and the straight line ride comfort isn’t dissimilar to a 991.2GT3 or RS.

IREvans said: In my view, if you drive 991.1, 991.2, 991.2RS, 992GT3, and then 992RS, the individual differences between each of them is extremely incremental. The biggest surprise is that whilst the 992 has a shorter spring, installed at a different angle, to get a similar wheel rate (a function of the spring rate) it needs to be a much stiffer spring, yet the way it drives, and the straight line ride comfort isn’t dissimilar to a 991.2GT3 or RS. This is the first real life actual review of the 992RS with regards on road manners I've read. I'm pretty shocked thet the ride of the 992RS is as good as you say it is. I was expecting the ride on my GT4 RS to be horrendous but surprise surprise I find it more comfy than my old 991.2GT3 RS.

IREvans said: In my view, if you drive 991.1, 991.2, 991.2RS, 992GT3, and then 992RS, the individual differences between each of them is extremely incremental. The biggest surprise is that whilst the 992 has a shorter spring, installed at a different angle, to get a similar wheel rate (a function of the spring rate) it needs to be a much stiffer spring, yet the way it drives, and the straight line ride comfort isn’t dissimilar to a 991.2GT3 or RS. If the wheel rate is similar, would you not normally expect the the ride comfort to be similar (assuming similar damping ratios etc) regardless of how that wheel rate is achieved with the differing angles and spring rates? Before I collected the 992 GT3 the OPC replaced the tyres with Goodyear Eagle F1SS (at my request not the R version) and performed alignment. Quite a few of the parameters were outside tolerance but it's fairly square now. I didn't have a chance to drive the car for a long distance before the alignment so can't comment on what difference it made and if I would have noticed it. We kept the ARB in the factory middle position - I thought it was more of a handling optimisation variable than for ride comfort, plus I wanted to observe behaviour on the road with the standard factory setting before making any adjustments. As posted before, only the very low speed (20mph) ride on the 500 yards of road where I live feel bumpy (compared to my R8 V10 without magnetic ride) and I really doubt if any ARB setting would change this. I can feel a bit more camber tracking than in the R8 but it's not invasive; the payback is much more precise steering feel on the GT3. Compared to the R8, the GT3 has similar acceleration, steers better, corners flatter with less understeer, generally feels lighter, has infinitely better driving position if you're 6'4" but is more skittish in the wet. The V10 with inconel exhaust sounds better than a F6 with an OPF.

IREvans said: 993rsr said: Now you're not confused, you are just clutching at straws. Your observations are clearly incorrect regarding the DW front suspension, you didn't want to agree with me, fair enough, but now agree with IR Evans who is saying the same thing I've driven 992 GT3's for a number of road miles, majority on mountain roads in France, and found no issue with either the ride quality or any propensity for camber sniffing. Clearly DW Front suspension offers advantages as have been outlined, personally I prefer my 991 Touring - not doubting the 992 GT3 is more capable and faster, but myself I prefer the earlier car's looks externally and internally and am not interested in squeezing another second or two on track, and on the road my 991 is more than fast enough for me. And as for the 991.2 GT3 and 992 GT3 behaving very differently, with all due respect that is cobblers. Edited by 993rsr on Monday 3rd April 18:23 In my view, if you drive 991.1, 991.2, 991.2RS, 992GT3, and then 992RS, the individual differences between each of them is extremely incremental. The biggest surprise is that whilst the 992 has a shorter spring, installed at a different angle, to get a similar wheel rate (a function of the spring rate) it needs to be a much stiffer spring, yet the way it drives, and the straight line ride comfort isn’t dissimilar to a 991.2GT3 or RS. Incremental is a good word. The changes between generations is more evolutionary than revolutionary. I've owned water cooled GT cars from 996 to 991.2 and agree, the differences are subtle but noticeable - not unexpected as the inherent platform design traits don't alter. The only negatives of DW suspension are cost, and compromise of space in a 911, it's interesting the 992 RS doesn't have an inferior ride than the 991 even with a shorter spring with the angle it's at with the DW vs. MS. For me, one of the most interesting things about the 992 RS is the adjustable bump and rebound from the cockpit that you mentioned earlier that's not been done before and gives another layer of adjustability to the chassis! That is Porsche offering something very different and a real party piece as you say. Edited by 993rsr on Monday 3rd April 23:04 Edited by 993rsr on Monday 3rd April 23:19

Nuttcase said: If the wheel rate is similar, would you not normally expect the the ride comfort to be similar (assuming similar damping ratios etc) regardless of how that wheel rate is achieved with the differing angles and spring rates? Before I collected the 992 GT3 the OPC replaced the tyres with Goodyear Eagle F1SS (at my request not the R version) and performed alignment. Quite a few of the parameters were outside tolerance but it's fairly square now. I didn't have a chance to drive the car for a long distance before the alignment so can't comment on what difference it made and if I would have noticed it. We kept the ARB in the factory middle position - I thought it was more of a handling optimisation variable than for ride comfort, plus I wanted to observe behaviour on the road with the standard factory setting before making any adjustments. As posted before, only the very low speed (20mph) ride on the 500 yards of road where I live feel bumpy (compared to my R8 V10 without magnetic ride) and I really doubt if any ARB setting would change this. I can feel a bit more camber tracking than in the R8 but it's not invasive; the payback is much more precise steering feel on the GT3. Compared to the R8, the GT3 has similar acceleration, steers better, corners flatter with less understeer, generally feels lighter, has infinitely better driving position if you're 6'4" but is more skittish in the wet. The V10 with inconel exhaust sounds better than a F6 with an OPF. If you purely look at the numbers, then yes you would expect 2 similar cars with similar wheel rates to have similar ride qualities, but when you look at how different the suspension design is between 991.2 GT3 and 992 GT3, with the 992’s spring being much shorter, stiffer, and installed at a different angle, this is the bit I find surprising.

We're not at Spa, cresting Eau Rouge at 190 here... I wouldn't know a double trombone from a double dog bone, or a set of Pilot Sport Cup & Saucers from Dunlop Daily Sport 'xxx Big Juggs Edition' , and neither do 99% of the people on here, whatever B/S is spouted by our Martini-clad Walters. Evans and JC excluded obviously ...although I'm sure they have the string backs lurking. Just get out there and enjoy them... Edited by Robbo66 on Tuesday 4th April 08:21

IREvans said: If you purely look at the numbers, then yes you would expect 2 similar cars with similar wheel rates to have similar ride qualities, but when you look at how different the suspension design is between 991.2 GT3 and 992 GT3, with the 992’s spring being much shorter, stiffer, and installed at a different angle, this is the bit I find surprising. Remember it not just conventional wheel rate at play: The dampers also are still PASM, and therefore damping rate is constantly changing based on sensor data within the Normal, Sport and Track Mode ranges - With 992 RS in track mode you can take further direct control of damping characteristics as has been mentioned. As you will know, Porsche are constantly evolving and improving the PASM system, so that will be a major factor also.

I have been informed that porsche allocated a extra 300 gt3 to the uk! Some dealers are still asking silly overs ,and one specialist says its a rare car!I quite fancy the rare green manual gt3 they have,but it has no cage,they dropped the price from 215 to 210 for a 2 owner 2021 car,it needs to start with a 1 at least.Interestingly they dropped me like a stone on the phone when i said i was ideally looking for a clubsport with a cage!I could be persuaded to buy at the right price. Softening the roll bars will effect ride comfort as it allows the car to roll on the springs as much as possible. Junk the pasm and get some proper dampers.

I have a 991.2gt3, which I thought was pretty comfortable, but did fit a DSC controller sold by Nine Excellence in the UK. https://www.nineexcellence.com/porsche-upgrades/po... Made a pretty comfortable car significantly better. I suspect DSC are working on a module for the 992gt3, and if it makes as much difference to that model as the 991, I'm sure owners will be very pleased.

MarkM3Evoplus said: I have a 991.2gt3, which I thought was pretty comfortable, but did fit a DSC controller sold by Nine Excellence in the UK. https://www.nineexcellence.com/porsche-upgrades/po... Made a pretty comfortable car significantly better. I suspect DSC are working on a module for the 992gt3, and if it makes as much difference to that model as the 991, I'm sure owners will be very pleased. Ditto, had mine installed a good while and wouldn't go back to the factory module.

Brighton Speed said: MarkM3Evoplus said: I have a 991.2gt3, which I thought was pretty comfortable, but did fit a DSC controller sold by Nine Excellence in the UK. https://www.nineexcellence.com/porsche-upgrades/po... Made a pretty comfortable car significantly better. I suspect DSC are working on a module for the 992gt3, and if it makes as much difference to that model as the 991, I'm sure owners will be very pleased. Ditto, had mine installed a good while and wouldn't go back to the factory module. DSC have also developed a module for the GT4 RS which I briefly considered. Since driving it I've now reconsidered and awaiting some real life feedback from others who have had it fitted before committing.

TDT said: Unbelievable….. and I really mean this in the kindest way… Porsche gave a car to someone that actually has an idea of what the adjustable settings will do. (I now fully expect this to be parroted in future 992 3RS discussions, verbatim). The 'cognoscenti' will be having a crib sheet freshly printed to keep in the inside pocket of their Porsche branded jacket, to trot out when the occasion arises despite not understanding any of it

TDT said: Remember it not just conventional wheel rate at play: The dampers also are still PASM, and therefore damping rate is constantly changing based on sensor data within the Normal, Sport and Track Mode ranges - With 992 RS in track mode you can take further direct control of damping characteristics as has been mentioned. As you will know, Porsche are constantly evolving and improving the PASM system, so that will be a major factor also. Do you mean that in Normal and Sport mode the 992RS' PASM dampers work as usual and its only in Track mode that you can play with the individual damper settings ? Sounds like another dose of snake oil to me

Taffy66 said: TDT said: Remember it not just conventional wheel rate at play: The dampers also are still PASM, and therefore damping rate is constantly changing based on sensor data within the Normal, Sport and Track Mode ranges - With 992 RS in track mode you can take further direct control of damping characteristics as has been mentioned. As you will know, Porsche are constantly evolving and improving the PASM system, so that will be a major factor also. Do you mean that in Normal and Sport mode the 992RS' PASM dampers work as usual and its only in Track mode that you can play with the individual damper settings ? Sounds like another dose of snake oil to me Why is that snake oil? The 992 RS PASM programming will be specific for that car in normal/sport modes anyway. The 992 RS Track mode give you access to further tune it if you know what you want. Just like I have adjustable coilovers…. I can dial in the characteristic I want and have a play. The trick of the 992 RS is you can do it from the drivers seat, rather than getting out and twiddling dials…. This means you could even do it sector by sector around a course… potentially really cool for diff settings, again if you know what you’re doing. You can select track mode anytime on the 992 RS so then you have access to the individual settings. The DSC that people have mentioned does the same to a degree, if you are really into the detail, you can create your own maps. I spent a fair bit of time with it, before deciding that actually, a proper passive setup was preferable for me for track, as I didn’t like some of the spooky behaviour of the DSC at/near the limit of grip, as it transitioned between G-tables. Works fine on the road if you want to soften the car up. Edited by TDT on Tuesday 4th April 10:12

The PASM as you say is constantly evolving and I've noticed in my 4RS in how well the PASM seems to control the stiff Spring rates. The 992RS PASM seems to have evolved even further as it seems to be able to control the much higher again Spring rates. PASM is still not as good as the best passive dampers such as KWs etc however has evolved enough to keep me satisfied.

Taffy66 said: The PASM as you say is constantly evolving and I've noticed in my 4RS in how well the PASM seems to control the stiff Spring rates. The 992RS PASM seems to have evolved even further as it seems to be able to control the much higher again Spring rates. PASM is still not as good as the best passive dampers such as KWs etc however has evolved enough to keep me satisfied. PASM manages damper rate. 992 GT PASM is next-gen, as the dampers are also different technology, ZF units. 718 is previous, 9x1 gen...working with the Bilstein units. It's just a question of preference really... plenty of people go super fast on factory hardware and setup.

Taffy66 said: The PASM as you say is constantly evolving and I've noticed in my 4RS in how well the PASM seems to control the stiff Spring rates. The 992RS PASM seems to have evolved even further as it seems to be able to control the much higher again Spring rates. PASM is still not as good as the best passive dampers such as KWs etc however has evolved enough to keep me satisfied. The front spring rate on the 992RS is much higher because it’s a shorter spring installed at a different angle than on a 991RS, yet achieves a similar level of ride comfort because the wheel rate is similar. Passive dampers with a 4 way setting (high speed and low speed bump and rebound control) need rebuilding every 1000km, so are useless for road cars, but great for competition cars.

TDT said: Why is that snake oil? The 992 RS PASM programming will be specific for that car in normal/sport modes anyway. The 992 RS Track mode give you access to further tune it if you know what you want. Just like I have adjustable coilovers…. I can dial in the characteristic I want and have a play. The trick of the 992 RS is you can do it from the drivers seat, rather than getting out and twiddling dials…. This means you could even do it sector by sector around a course… potentially really cool for diff settings, again if you know what you’re doing. You can select track mode anytime on the 992 RS so then you have access to the individual settings. The DSC that people have mentioned does the same to a degree, if you are really into the detail, you can create your own maps. I spent a fair bit of time with it, before deciding that actually, a proper passive setup was preferable for me for track, as I didn’t like some of the spooky behaviour of the DSC at/near the limit of grip, as it transitioned between G-tables. Works fine on the road if you want to soften the car up. Edited by TDT on Tuesday 4th April 10:12 Correct, you can select track mode anytime, and that then unlocks the option to control diff and damper settings. A click on each central button opens up the display for that feature. Even though you are in track mode, you can make the car full soft, and wind the diff settings open for accel and coast. Under hard braking you can feel more pitch with bump fully open.

MarkM3Evoplus said: I have a 991.2gt3, which I thought was pretty comfortable, but did fit a DSC controller sold by Nine Excellence in the UK. https://www.nineexcellence.com/porsche-upgrades/po... Made a pretty comfortable car significantly better. I suspect DSC are working on a module for the 992gt3, and if it makes as much difference to that model as the 991, I'm sure owners will be very pleased. Would this effect the warranty ?

IREvans said: Passive dampers with a 4 way setting (high speed and low speed bump and rebound control) need rebuilding every 1000km, so are useless for road cars , but great for competition cars. For clarity..the 1000km is for the full race dampers, in a race application.... which probably get rebuilt after every meeting or every few meetings anyway.

IREvans said: Passive dampers with a 4 way setting (high speed and low speed bump and rebound control) need rebuilding every 1000km, so are useless for road cars, but great for competition cars. This is very interesting info and something I wasn't aware of. Reinforces my decision to keep with my OEM PASM dampers which as far as I'm concerned is plenty good enough for my ability even for track days. Surface Transforms are the only mod I'm really looking into on the 4RS.

Yellow , I would wait for a Mark 2 version ....

TDT said: IREvans said: Passive dampers with a 4 way setting (high speed and low speed bump and rebound control) need rebuilding every 1000km, so are useless for road cars , but great for competition cars. For clarity..the 1000km is for the full race dampers, in a race application.... which probably get rebuilt after every meeting or every few meetings anyway. Mmmm done more than 60k km on jrz,only rebuilding was a leaking hose crimp.Rally cars i get it with the abuse and heat,watercooled dampers etc. Its going to be amusing watching folk mess around with those dials with not a clue

Yellow491 said: TDT said: IREvans said: Passive dampers with a 4 way setting (high speed and low speed bump and rebound control) need rebuilding every 1000km, so are useless for road cars , but great for competition cars. For clarity..the 1000km is for the full race dampers, in a race application.... which probably get rebuilt after every meeting or every few meetings anyway. Mmmm done more than 60k km on jrz,only rebuilding was a leaking hose crimp.Rally cars i get it with the abuse and heat,watercooled dampers etc. 60,000km, precisely my point. The 1000km quoted might be specific to a particular application. It does not apply to a 'Clubsport' coilover for a road car, such as MR/Tequipment, KW, Ohlins, MCS. Again, understanding. Just as a note, OEM dampers do wear out/fail also. They aren't covered by warranty, I know of quite a few documented cases of Porsche playing hard ball with owners having to cough up to replace, as Porsche only replace... not service. This reinforced my decision to go with a fully built kit.... same as decision to go for Surface Transform Rotors. Yellow491 said: Its going to be amusing watching folk mess around with those dials with not a clue Lol - exactly, but Porsche will have enough of a safety net that you can't hang yourself. Anyway we have tangented way off topic.... where are these 992 GT3's then.... Edited by TDT on Tuesday 4th April 15:38

TDT said: For clarity..the 1000km is for the full race dampers, in a race application.... which probably get rebuilt after every meeting or every few meetings anyway. Correct. That’s for a 4 way damper (high speed bump & rebound, plus low speed bump & rebound) with a remote fluid reservoir (like Reiger, Bos, or Ohlins). There’s a lot going on inside that type of damper to give you that adjustment. But even a single way damper (single mechanical adjustment for combined bump & rebound) will be out of spec when you put it on a dyno after 1000km, or 12 months without having it serviced. Fluid degrades, pressurised gas escapes, seals begin to weep, and adjustment dials begin to seize. And these dampers are never exposed to road salt….you couldn’t put a 3 year 60,000 mile warranty on this type of damper Anyone who’s got a modern MTB with decent forks and shock will know that they need stripping down and servicing every year. My point was that a PASM type damper is incredible in its ability to withstand years and tens of thousands of miles of abuse, in horrible environments, and not fail. Early 991.1 GT3 is now 10 years old, and as far as I’m aware, there isn’t a big issue with needing to get dampers replaced..?

IREvans said: TDT said: For clarity..the 1000km is for the full race dampers, in a race application.... which probably get rebuilt after every meeting or every few meetings anyway. Correct. That’s for a 4 way damper (high speed bump & rebound, plus low speed bump & rebound) with a remote fluid reservoir (like Reiger, Bos, or Ohlins). There’s a lot going on inside that type of damper to give you that adjustment. But even a single way damper (single mechanical adjustment for combined bump & rebound) will be out of spec when you put it on a dyno after 1000km, or 12 months without having it serviced. Fluid degrades, pressurised gas escapes, seals begin to weep, and adjustment dials begin to seize. And these dampers are never exposed to road salt….you couldn’t put a 3 year 60,000 mile warranty on this type of damper Anyone who’s got a modern MTB with decent forks and shock will know that they need stripping down and servicing every year. My point was that a PASM type damper is incredible in its ability to withstand years and tens of thousands of miles of abuse, in horrible environments, and not fail. Ok yes, i get you. IREvans said: Early 991.1 GT3 is now 10 years old, and as far as I’m aware, there isn’t a big issue with needing to get dampers replaced..? On GT4 specifically I know of a quite a few cases, both UK and US, where OEM dampers had to be replaced due to failure, as you know being MS all around... the strut has to bare some lateral load also. 911 has the advantage of rods/arms to bear that, allowing the damper just to work in stroke... even better now with 992 GT3/RS - 'DW' up front and Multi-link rear. Edited by TDT on Tuesday 4th April 16:10

Yellow491 said: I have been informed that porsche allocated a extra 300 gt3 to the uk! Some dealers are still asking silly overs ,and one specialist says its a rare car!I quite fancy the rare green manual gt3 they have,but it has no cage,they dropped the price from 215 to 210 for a 2 owner 2021 car,it needs to start with a 1 at least.Interestingly they dropped me like a stone on the phone when i said i was ideally looking for a clubsport with a cage!I could be persuaded to buy at the right price. Softening the roll bars will effect ride comfort as it allows the car to roll on the springs as much as possible. Junk the pasm and get some proper dampers. The price is definitely up there, but includes Porsche chronograph watch and leather document folder Your phone call reminds me of one of mine to an OPC about a month ago (not my local) when the SA stated that the GT3 was a very desirable car and this particular one (2021) was a very desirable colour. "So if the car and colour are so desirable, why has been sitting in your showroom for the last four months?" He hummed and ha'd but the answer was obvious. It's still for sale @ >£200k

Nuttcase said: Yellow491 said: I have been informed that porsche allocated a extra 300 gt3 to the uk! Some dealers are still asking silly overs ,and one specialist says its a rare car!I quite fancy the rare green manual gt3 they have,but it has no cage,they dropped the price from 215 to 210 for a 2 owner 2021 car,it needs to start with a 1 at least.Interestingly they dropped me like a stone on the phone when i said i was ideally looking for a clubsport with a cage!I could be persuaded to buy at the right price. Softening the roll bars will effect ride comfort as it allows the car to roll on the springs as much as possible. Junk the pasm and get some proper dampers. The price is definitely up there, but includes Porsche chronograph watch and leather document folder Your phone call reminds me of one of mine to an OPC about a month ago (not my local) when the SA stated that the GT3 was a very desirable car and this particular one (2021) was a very desirable colour. "So if the car and colour are so desirable, why has been sitting in your showroom for the last four months?" He hummed and ha'd but the answer was obvious. It's still for sale @ >£200k Its a crap watch and what does a leather folder do!If they want to sell them they need to adjust the price accordingly ,there are other 2021 cars with similar mileage for sale at 189 and one sold at 183,but most are not selling.

franki68 said: MarkM3Evoplus said: I have a 991.2gt3, which I thought was pretty comfortable, but did fit a DSC controller sold by Nine Excellence in the UK. https://www.nineexcellence.com/porsche-upgrades/po... Made a pretty comfortable car significantly better. I suspect DSC are working on a module for the 992gt3, and if it makes as much difference to that model as the 991, I'm sure owners will be very pleased. Would this effect the warranty ? Depends on your OPC’s attitude to modifications (they are effectively the gate keeper for warranty claims) and what you’re claiming on. You almost certainly won’t be able to extend the warranty. Personally I wouldn’t run a GT3 without a warranty….just had the PADM fail on my 991.2 no idea what that would cost if it wasn’t under warranty but I suspect it wouldn’t be cheap.

Cheib said: franki68 said: MarkM3Evoplus said: I have a 991.2gt3, which I thought was pretty comfortable, but did fit a DSC controller sold by Nine Excellence in the UK. https://www.nineexcellence.com/porsche-upgrades/po... Made a pretty comfortable car significantly better. I suspect DSC are working on a module for the 992gt3, and if it makes as much difference to that model as the 991, I'm sure owners will be very pleased. Would this effect the warranty ? Depends on your OPC’s attitude to modifications (they are effectively the gate keeper for warranty claims) and what you’re claiming on. You almost certainly won’t be able to extend the warranty. Personally I wouldn’t run a GT3 without a warranty….just had the PADM fail on my 991.2 no idea what that would cost if it wasn’t under warranty but I suspect it wouldn’t be cheap. I suspect yes it would, but is is easy to remove and replace with standard module. Clip in & out job, just ensure key is not in the ignition. I have a warranty currently, but debating whether I would renew in a couple of years time

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2022-porsche-9... Interesting that yet another new 992 gt3 is being moved on out of the porsche net work.

Cheib said: Depends on your OPC’s attitude to modifications (they are effectively the gate keeper for warranty claims) and what you’re claiming on. You almost certainly won’t be able to extend the warranty. Personally I wouldn’t run a GT3 without a warranty….just had the PADM fail on my 991.2 no idea what that would cost if it wasn’t under warranty but I suspect it wouldn’t be cheap. Au contraire, I've recently extended the warranty on my 718 GT4 which has a LWFW and a 9m exhaust silencer plus some Clubsport chassis parts. All have been declared up front and are on file.

That CC 992 GT3 is a trade sale.

Cheib said: Depends on your OPC’s attitude to modifications (they are effectively the gate keeper for warranty claims) and what you’re claiming on. You almost certainly won’t be able to extend the warranty. Personally I wouldn’t run a GT3 without a warranty….just had the PADM fail on my 991.2 no idea what that would cost if it wasn’t under warranty but I suspect it wouldn’t be cheap. I’ve been Investigating it ,it is very easy to install and uninstall so you could swap when it goes in to dealer . I had padm fail as well it’s been an issue on the .2 gt3

av185 said: That CC 992 GT3 is a trade sale. Good spot. So either the first owner bought it and sold it straight out of the network to the trade or an opc allocated a new car to a trader to sell on which I imagine would be unlikely. Looks a nice car, be interesting to see what it gets bid up to. I see a certain used car garage is already having a bid!

franki68 said: Cheib said: Depends on your OPC’s attitude to modifications (they are effectively the gate keeper for warranty claims) and what you’re claiming on. You almost certainly won’t be able to extend the warranty. Personally I wouldn’t run a GT3 without a warranty….just had the PADM fail on my 991.2 no idea what that would cost if it wasn’t under warranty but I suspect it wouldn’t be cheap. I’ve been Investigating it ,it is very easy to install and uninstall so you could swap when it goes in to dealer . I had padm fail as well it’s been an issue on the .2 gt3 Would its use and removal be recorded on the ECU?

CC 992 GT3 not a bad spec despite steels although a bit 'grey' overall. You should bid GT4RS....it does have lift! :

rbh said: franki68 said: Cheib said: Depends on your OPC’s attitude to modifications (they are effectively the gate keeper for warranty claims) and what you’re claiming on. You almost certainly won’t be able to extend the warranty. Personally I wouldn’t run a GT3 without a warranty….just had the PADM fail on my 991.2 no idea what that would cost if it wasn’t under warranty but I suspect it wouldn’t be cheap. I’ve been Investigating it ,it is very easy to install and uninstall so you could swap when it goes in to dealer . I had padm fail as well it’s been an issue on the .2 gt3 Would its use and removal be recorded on the ECU? No.

av185 said: CC 992 GT3 not a bad spec despite steels although a bit 'grey' overall. You should bid GT4RS....it does have lift! : At current used asking prices that lovely 992 gt3 will be out of my price range and I sadly don’t cut the mustard to be able to order a new one with lift 🤣

rbh said: Would its use and removal be recorded on the ECU? Use OBD reader to clear code, as it will note that there is a different module

Twinfan said: Cheib said: Depends on your OPC’s attitude to modifications (they are effectively the gate keeper for warranty claims) and what you’re claiming on. You almost certainly won’t be able to extend the warranty. Personally I wouldn’t run a GT3 without a warranty….just had the PADM fail on my 991.2 no idea what that would cost if it wasn’t under warranty but I suspect it wouldn’t be cheap. Au contraire, I've recently extended the warranty on my 718 GT4 which has a LWFW and a 9m exhaust silencer plus some Clubsport chassis parts. All have been declared up front and are on file. Wow ! Good for you, first I’ve heard of that. That is quite a change in previous policy.