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The ultimate 911? Certainly the best colour! 6 seconds quicker than a 997GT2 and 997.1 GT3RS. Enjoy. http://youtu.be/77xV5upNGAI Edited by Alpinestars on Monday 22 December 16:16

Thank you, i enjoyed that.

Ultimate drivers 911? I guess you are in a better position than most of us to judge! With several 997 GT3's in the garage, what do you think? Which GT3 in your garage would you take for a Sunday morning blast into Wales?

Just so fecking chuffed that I own one! Only done 800 miles so far, car is awesome. Someone described a 991 GT3 as a weapon, I feel that sums it up. I am a very lucky man. Nice to find a great new video as I have watched all the others countless times.

Alpinestars said: The ultimate 911? Certainly the best colour! 6 seconds quicker than a 997GT2 and 997.1 GT3RS. Enjoy. http://youtu.be/77xV5upNGAI Edited by Alpinestars on Monday 22 December 16:16 Where do you get the 6 seconds data from? As it's only 17secs quicker than the 7.1RS round the Ring, I doubt it can pull 6 over such a short track... Happy to be corrected though. It is a lovely colour, however real drivers use a clutch!

robgt3 said: Just so fecking chuffed that I own one! Only done 800 miles so far, car is awesome. Someone described a 991 GT3 as a weapon, I feel that sums it up. I am a very lucky man. Nice to find a great new video as I have watched all the others countless times. Good man! So, I take it you don't miss the Aston then?

V8KSN said: Ultimate drivers 911? I guess you are in a better position than most of us to judge! With several 997 GT3's in the garage, what do you think? Which GT3 in your garage would you take for a Sunday morning blast into Wales? Either of the 997s. Better steering feel and a manual gear change. They also sound better most of the time.

Jim1556 said: Where do you get the 6 seconds data from? As it's only 17secs quicker than the 7.1RS round the Ring, I doubt it can pull 6 over such a short track... Happy to be corrected though. It is a lovely colour, however real drivers use a clutch! I must admit I was very surprised. And I know it was a different driver. http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow_springs.html

That could mean loads, I think a back to back vid with the same driver is needed! I'll volunteer if no else wants to!

http://youtu.be/FVr1W9iuvpc http://youtu.be/DGHz0WHvOgI http://youtu.be/LGWGAEUPzD8 Three Porsches at the ring same driver similar conditions similar traffic, never been to willow springs so don't know if it's a short track with plenty of bends or long and fast. Might be that the 991 is a tad better on tight twisty stuff whereas the gt2 has better torque and is faster on the long runs up to and just over 200 mph gt2 definitely has better 0- 100 times What a car that 996 is and just overly in yellow or red

Eeyore9 said: http://youtu.be/FVr1W9iuvpc http://youtu.be/DGHz0WHvOgI http://youtu.be/LGWGAEUPzD8 Three Porsches at the ring same driver similar conditions similar traffic, never been to willow springs so don't know if it's a short track with plenty of bends or long and fast. Might be that the 991 is a tad better on tight twisty stuff whereas the gt2 has better torque and is faster on the long runs up to and just over 200 mph gt2 definitely has better 0- 100 times What a car that 996 is and just overly in yellow or red 0-100 times are virtually identical and in the real world easier to hit in the 991. Willow doesn't appear to be too twisty http://www.willowspringsraceway.com/page.php?id=26

Too subjective a question imo. 991 gt3 is the best, for me

it has flappy paddles. no thanks

V8KSN said: Good man! So, I take it you don't miss the Aston then? Hi Kul, parting with the Aston was a bit of a wrench. Then having 3 months wait for the GT3 was a bit of a pain. Though I realise people have waited so very much longer. Today I sat behind a V8S in traffic, there is no denying what a fabulous looking thing they are. Aston Martin have been wonderful with us but then so are Porsche! I was not prepared for such a roller coaster of amazing service and hype . Dick Lovett Tewksbury my heartfelt thanks. Our GT3 is so very sharp, I am amazed! I cannot fault any aspect of the build,the finish. Dear God the thing is so focussed. I have had a play around 7000rpm only briefly cos I am trying to be mechanically sympathetic; so very difficult because it wants to fly. As to when the traction control kicks in I really don't know because it waggles it's arse like a good un. I love it though I admit to being in awe of it! Suits me just fine !!!

DasChin said: it has flappy paddles. no thanks I might have said that at one point, not any more.

Check out the extensive technical deep dive on the 991 GT3 by Carlos as part of his Let's Geek Out series. http://youtu.be/apjC960P3LI I haven't watched it myself yet - but his previous episodes on this series on the 918, P1, LaFerrari, M3/M4 and others have been brilliant. Just make sure you have about about hour to spare!! My view on the 991 GT3 - besides the dream of a 997 GT2 RS - its the only 911 I'd get back into atm. They are immense on the move. Edited by TDT on Monday 22 December 22:24 Edited by TDT on Monday 22 December 22:24

Is this what its come to now,the ultimate car is a quick automatic. Why does every vid i have seen so far on this car,they drive in auto,not even to use the flappies. Are they frightened to rev it to the shift light themselfs,incase it goes bang!

Oiiiii ! Beardy........

Yellow491 said: Is this what its come to now, the ultimate car is a quick automatic. Why does every vid i have seen so far on this car,they drive in auto,not even to use the flappies. Are they frightened to rev it to the shift light themselfs,incase it goes bang! that is going to upset quite a few people I think!

therein lies the rub. I do/intend to do loads of track days in my caged out BMW CSL. I'm no driving god, just like to enjoy myself and push safely. whilst i had started from a 6speed manual, the paddle shifter just allows you to focus more on the corners and getting the most out of them. No doubt, rowing a box, heel and toe sequentially down the box is tremendous fun too but i no longer think that you can't enjoy the track experience with paddles. Speed is speed and going fast is always exciting. On the road however, i actually think having a manual is much better (provided you are not stuck in london traffic and giving your left calf a proper workout in Gt3s). The interaction is less frantic and you can savour each executed gear change and enjoy the sensation of driving the car at less than all out attack. Let's face it, one can always heel toe better and shift faster. It's just possible to continuously improve. so, whilst i started from no way, I'm now thinking it'll make a fab toy when the guys that are not tracking them give it up for the next greatest thing in a couple of years. Just like my cal, sucks as a daily driver but special on track.

hunter 66 said: Oiiiii ! Beardy........ I can only grow a prairie beard! Have a great xmas hunter,is there no portugal this winter.what about sweden with some studs,i am not talking about any of the clubs you and maca frequent either. Best regards

Is it true the forthcoming RS is going to utilise GPS info from the sat nav to select the correct gear ahead of a corner/hill law Rolls Royce Raith ?

anonymous said: [redacted] I use the paddles 90% of the time - it's not about what is faster, it's about what is more enjoyable.

The question was, is the 991 GT3 the ultimate drivers car. The answer is nope! Overhyped, overloaded, over heavy.. QED.

Gabby123 said: The question was, is the 991 GT3 the ultimate drivers car. The answer is nope! Overhyped, overloaded, over heavy.. QED. For the road (UK), much too fast IMO. Unless you a) happen to live north of Ulapool, or b) get your thrills operating a car 30/40/50% short of its potential

Thereby Mr. Jackal, not a track car either.

Gabby123 said: The question was, is the 991 GT3 the ultimate drivers car. The answer is nope! Overhyped, overloaded, over heavy.. QED. Clearly you haven' t driven one then. QED. :

Gabby123 said: Thereby Mr. Jackal, not a track car either. why not? other than it is quite costly tp prang and rag.

av185 said: Gabby123 said: The question was, is the 991 GT3 the ultimate drivers car. The answer is nope! Overhyped, overloaded, over heavy.. QED. Clearly you haven' t driven one then. QED. : You are absolutely right. Look at my garage. Haven't looked at yours. Was at a porsche invite the other night. Detailing the new 991 GTS. A lot of people who do own more powerful cars than my wee poke, were feeling that Porsche has missed the point too. Hence, heavier, etc. My previous garage weren't bhp superior, but could keep up with the big boys on the really twisty stuff in Wales. And overtake too, as could nip tween bikes! Heh Heh!

jackal said: For the road (UK), much too fast IMO. Unless you a) happen to live north of Ulapool, or b) get your thrills operating a car 30/40/50% short of its potential To be fair to the 991, which high performance sports car in the last ten or even fifteen years could one truly use more than 50% of it's potential on the public road without being very likely to be detained at HM's pleasure for a very long time? Edited by isaldiri on Wednesday 24th December 00:39

Just look at the alfa with carbon chassis,300 kg lighter than a cayman and i think cheaper. Porsche have been missing the point for a few years,who wants bigger brakes to pull up more weight,who wants faster gear selection to make it faster.Its a shame really.

anonymous said: [redacted] Yes, the 991 GT3 at 1430kg din is only 35kg more than the 997 despite PDK and 4ws etc.......and only 10kg more than the 997 GTS PDK. Despite the inevitable slight increase in size and weight, the 991 still retains the typical 911 ace.....its B road chuckability.....unlike a 458 btw.......

But in my opinion, the ultimate drivers 911 it is certainly not. Subjective I know - before anyone offence because none is meant. One Man's meat and all that.. Very accomplished piece of design though.

Steve Rance said: But in my opinion, the ultimate drivers 911 it is certainly not. Subjective I know - before anyone offence because none is meant. One Man's meat and all that.. Very accomplished piece of design though. Yes....all very subjective of course but interesting nontheless. My 'last favourite' road car manual was an E46 M3 with an E39 M5 running a close second I guess. Great cars of their era as we all know.....but quite honestly if those two were still in my garage today I cannot ever see them being used in preference of the 991 GT3..........

Good Chap. I genuinely hope that the 991 brings you lots of enjoyment. They really are seriously fast cars.

av185 said: Yes, the 991 GT3 at 1430kg din is only 35kg more than the 997 despite PDK and 4ws etc.......and only 10kg more than the 997 GTS PDK. Despite the inevitable slight increase in size and weight, the 991 still retains the typical 911 ace.....its B road chuckability.....unlike a 458 btw....... You do remember a PHer on the old thread weighed his 991gt3..... it came in at nearly 1500kg and i think he had bucket seats as well.? 1435kg DIN (ie 90% fuel, all fluids and no driver) it most definitely isn't. The 991 cars also feel a lot larger size wise vs the 997 cars, certainly optically they look a lot bigger even if dimensions wise the gain does not seem as much.

As they say for speed and grip add lightness Merry xmas,have a good one

Steve Rance said: But in my opinion, the ultimate drivers 911 it is certainly not. Subjective I know - before anyone offence because none is meant. One Man's meat and all that.. Very accomplished piece of design though. so what is?

Steve Rance said: Good Chap. I genuinely hope that the 991 brings you lots of enjoyment. They really are seriously fast cars.

isaldiri said: av185 said: Yes, the 991 GT3 at 1430kg din is only 35kg more than the 997 despite PDK and 4ws etc.......and only 10kg more than the 997 GTS PDK. Despite the inevitable slight increase in size and weight, the 991 still retains the typical 911 ace.....its B road chuckability.....unlike a 458 btw....... You do remember a PHer on the old thread weighed his 991gt3..... it came in at nearly 1500kg and i think he had bucket seats as well.? 1435kg DIN (ie 90% fuel, all fluids and no driver) it most definitely isn't. The 991 cars also feel a lot larger size wise vs the 997 cars, certainly optically they look a lot bigger even if dimensions wise the gain does not seem as much. Yes I do remember it being mentioned.......BUT.......the DIN weight of 1430kg according to my handbook is inclusive of 68kg driver weight (average German lol!) and 7kg luggage. Higher specced cars can obviously weigh more......heated seats, sports seats, leather dash, lift, anti dazzle etc etc all add up. Re the 991 appearing larger I agree but in some ways this may be accentuated by a lower roofline making it look wider.......according to the handbook there appears little difference in the widths at 1.81 and 1.85 but its unclear whether the former 997.2 dimension includes mirrors......

av185 said: Yes I do remember it being mentioned.......BUT.......the DIN weight of 1430kg according to my handbook is inclusive of 68kg driver weight (average German lol!) and 7kg luggage. Higher specced cars can obviously weigh more......heated seats, sports seats, leather dash, lift, anti dazzle etc etc all add up. Re the 991 appearing larger I agree but in some ways this may be accentuated by a lower roofline making it look wider.......according to the handbook there appears little difference in the widths at 1.81 and 1.85 but its unclear whether the former 997.2 dimension includes mirrors...... With 75kg driver is something called EU weight or similar. DIN as used by Porsche is 90% fuel and fluids with no driver. Put it another way, there is absolutely no way any 991 gt3 weighs 1365kg which is what it would be per you are saying. Porsche have usually been quite off on their claimed weights so if they claim 1435kg it wouldn't be a surprise to see most cars coming in at almost 1500kg fully fueled without driver, if not more.

The 991 GT3 will flatter a lot of drivers, the 996/997 will reward a good one but can punish a mediocre one. Merry Xmas all.

sidicks said: anonymous said: [redacted] I use the paddles 90% of the time - it's not about what is faster, it's about what is more enjoyable. +1, I much prefer using the paddles unless I'm stuck in traffic where the auto is just great, best of both worlds IMO

Just finished the pudding , Rance has it , 991 GT3 an amazing car and one of the fastest but there is more to it and I am not a beardy like yellow. But maybe the 993 GT2 and GT2 R where historically ultimate drivers cars ! Could get 750 Bhp and nearly200 mph down the Kemmel enough to keep you on your toes . Now another glass of Port ... Merry X-mas

A cross post from the thread with jack olsens video. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kGAHwzz_RgA

Be about 20 years till I manage one of these (well who knows right!). What will the GT3 be then. That must be what 2 models down the line? Will the GT3 by then will drive itself, be fully electric and solar powered. FML. Future is looking really dull for the motorsport and car industry.

Watching this video I wonder if the car used doesn't have an issue.. Or the driver has then. I can't think a GT3 would be so oversteer-prone.. And so little traction..?!? http://youtu.be/IYrJA7Dax5k

rosino said: Watching this video I wonder if the car used doesn't have an issue.. Or the driver has then. I can't think a GT3 would be so oversteer-prone.. And so little traction..?!? http://youtu.be/IYrJA7Dax5k What do you expect in 2 gear,not sure what that guy is trying to do or prove! If you look at the other vid,the front tyres look well chewed up on the gt3.The size and weight of these things is going to be hard on the running gear. To be fair,and not take to seriously,i wonder what tyres were on the hotrod comparing against a standard car.

rosino said: Watching this video I wonder if the car used doesn't have an issue.. Or the driver has then. I can't think a GT3 would be so oversteer-prone.. And so little traction..?!? http://youtu.be/IYrJA7Dax5k What do you expect in 2 gear,not sure what that guy is trying to do or prove! If you look at the other vid,the front tyres look well chewed up on the gt3.The size and weight of these things is going to be hard on the running gear. To be fair,and not take to seriously,i wonder what tyres were on the hotrod comparing against a standard car.

Here's another quick review. Conditions were not ideal but worth looking. http://youtu.be/BU_qEHpRiCo

Yellow491 said: To be fair,and not take to seriously,i wonder what tyres were on the hotrod comparing against a standard car. Were you referring to the clip with Jack's car and the 991 at Willow? If so the 991 was on MPSC2 and the other car was on Nitto NT01. So slight tyre advantage to the 991 though both are in the same sort of sector.

fioran0 said: Were you referring to the clip with Jack's car and the 991 at Willow? If so the 991 was on MPSC2 and the other car was on Nitto NT01. So slight tyre advantage to the 991 though both are in the same sort of sector. I have driven willow springs in a 355 about 8 years ago, its a great track If you put a cup driver in the 991 he would have leathered Jack in the older car so not really a factual comparison.

The driver of the GT3 -- Randy Pobst -- won the SCCA World Challenge GT Championship with K-Pax/3R Racing in a Porsche 911 GT3 Cup Car in 2007 and then again in 2008. He is a Porsche factory supported driver, and was chosen by them to make an attempt on the production car track record at Willow Springs in the 2015 Porsche 918, which he set.