First Porsche - Dealer demo Cayman purchased - Page 4 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

Been looking for a Cayman for a few months now, was originally looking at a 987.2 but then saw the 981 and fell in love with it. Saw a lovely white 2.7 in a OPC Swindon and started conversation with them last week...picked it up yesterday. Spec as follows: - 20" Carrera classics w. P-Zeros Heated seats Sports pipe Sports design steering wheel Front / Rear sensors x14 way seat adjustment Manual PDC Tracker Bluetooth DAB Partial leather Cruise control PASM Cargo nets I must say the customer service from Dick Lovett (Swindon) was second-to-none. Attention to detail was impressive. Pics to follow.

COngrats - sounds like a lovely car and a good spec too. I deal with Dick Lovett in Cardiff from time to time and they are pretty good as well.

Couple of pics...

Nice car. Please make sure that you get oil and filters changed before you collect. It will have had a very hard life so far.

anonymous said: [redacted] Possibly, but at a push I'd take a 918 Spyder. Edit: Though I have a feeling that they've stopped making them now.

anonymous said: [redacted] Damn, you beat my edit. And you're probably right.

Or maybe the 3.4 Cayman, but I agree that the 2.7 is definitely in with a shout. It is pleasantly slow in a world full of pointlessly fast cars.

gav_sw20 said: Couple of pics... Lovely car, mate. Pretty much a white version of my black one. I've covered nearly 50K in mine so far and enjoyed every minute!

VladD said: Possibly, but at a push I'd take a 918 Spyder. Edit: Though I have a feeling that they've stopped making them now. They had a Silver 918 in the showroom when I was there...yours for £1.1million !!!

I am all for cars that are usable rather than "pub bore fast", and the 2.7 is a lovely engine precisely because it likes (and needs) revs rather than having a thumping great mid-range. I have a strong suspicion that the current MX-5 would be huge fun if Mazda had used a less torquey engine, for similar reasons. Sure, it is slow as hell even as it is, but it would be lovely if the engine was as rev-happy as the 2.7 in the 981. Ultimately, the decision between the 3.4 and the 2.7 is quite a hard one. The 2.7 puts more smiles on your face but also, probably, more frowns (as it can be quite irritatingly slow when you aren't driving it hard).

anonymous said: [redacted] Please can you let me know what this means? I'm not down with the lingo.

anonymous said: [redacted] Ah I see your referring to the 987 S rather than the 981 S.

I would even say that the 2.7 with lower gearing would be spot on. It is the insanely high gearing that leaves great big gaps that expose its lack of punch in normal driving. Gear it to a maximum speed of 130mph and it would feel plenty rapid, wouldn't it?

ORD said: I would even say that the 2.7 with lower gearing would be spot on. It is the insanely high gearing that leaves great big gaps that expose its lack of punch in normal driving. Gear it to a maximum speed of 130mph and it would feel plenty rapid, wouldn't it? Yes, I do agree it would probably be better...but it is funny how you learn to drive it working with the gearing after many miles and different conditions. But then, I've always found the cars I've loved most are the ones that you take time to learn over many miles. I will be interested to hear how 'gav_sw20' gets on with his over the coming weeks/months. There's plenty on here about GTS and GT4...will be nice to hear about the 2.7.

Congratulations enjoy your new car

anonymous said: [redacted] Its a lovely engine. I have only driven a PDK one, but even that just felt right. It had 20" wheels too, which are silly. Until I realised that it rode beautifully and had lovely damping. To be honest, I had a lot of fun in it. Its a balanced package. I feel dirty.

mollytherocker said: Its a lovely engine. I have only driven a PDK one, but even that just felt right. It had 20" wheels too, which are silly. Until I realised that it rode beautifully and had lovely damping. To be honest, I had a lot of fun in it. Its a balanced package. I feel dirty. I find the 981 to ride pretty much identically to the 987.2, to be honest. It's a little bit better resolved and slightly less crashy, but there's also less feedback from the chassis... Not sure I prefer it. Bloody love the 2.7, though. A proper sports car engine. The chap saying you can work with the gearbox obviously loves the car, and that's what it's all about...but the ratios are plain wrong. Nobody sane would choose those for driving on our roads. I am already looking at how much it would cost to shorten the final drive on my next Porsche!

That looks stunning in white. Extremely nice

anonymous said: [redacted] Haha! I did think that, but then I thought 'Better to know and deal with it'. Besides, an oil and filters change is extremely cheap compared to the purchase price (even if the OPC doesnt do it for free, which it should).

I am surprised about the amount of love for the 2.7, romanticising perhaps? 275bhp in a hot hatch or regular car is awesome, but when in a Cayman I find it quite dull. Probably due to the gearing making it not feel like 275bhp and the fact that car is so competent you rarely need to brake, instead the engine is just droning on whilst struggling to accelerate over 100 in 3rd. Just my comment to other posters, as opposed to s tting on the OP

gav_sw20 said: Couple of pics... Lovely car Gav. Looks fabulous. You've got a great spec there and the all important manual as I've found the 2.7 doesn't work as well with PDK imo. Bought mine from DL Swindon and found them really good to deal with as well. Really took time with me and didn't pressurise on the sale and cut what I felt a fair deal. Enjoy the summer and don't listen to the nay Sayers about engine size - there are a lot of country roads I had more fun with in my 987 2.9 than my current 3.8. As some said a lot of pleasure can be had from being able to push the car hard and not be at ridiculous speeds.

Looks a nice car! I'm sure you'll be fine with the 2.7 - that engine really loves to fling the needle round the rev-counter! It arguably revs more freely than the 3.4 which gives you some compensation for the modest level of grunt. Some people talk about the gear ratios but I'll be amazed if you have any difficulty at all. IMO the gear ratios are very well chosen for real-world driving. As regards outright power, the key point is that when "hatchback man" tears away from the traffic lights he's still in a humdrum econobox and you're still in one of the world's finest sportscars!

gav_sw20 said: Been looking for a Cayman for a few months now, was originally looking at a 987.2 but then saw the 981 and fell in love with it. Saw a lovely white 2.7 in a OPC Swindon and started conversation with them last week...picked it up yesterday. Spec as follows: - 20" Carrera classics w. P-Zeros Heated seats Sports pipe Sports design steering wheel Front / Rear sensors x14 way seat adjustment Manual PDC Tracker Bluetooth DAB Partial leather Cruise control PASM Cargo nets I must say the customer service from Dick Lovett (Swindon) was second-to-none. Attention to detail was impressive. Pics to follow. I did pretty much the same about a year ago. Mines was from OPC in Leeds, so took the train from Scotland to pick it up. I had them provide the rev range print out to ensure that it hadn't been bouncing off the max revs when out with customers. It had been used as a courtesy car for a couple of customers while their engines were being swapped for a design issue. 1 year later and it's just completed its minor service - needs to go in to get one of the horns replaced in a weeks time.

stuartmcg said: I did pretty much the same about a year ago. Mines was from OPC in Leeds, so took the train from Scotland to pick it up. I had them provide the rev range print out to ensure that it hadn't been bouncing off the max revs when out with customers. It had been used as a courtesy car for a couple of customers while their engines were being swapped for a design issue. 1 year later and it's just completed its minor service - needs to go in to get one of the horns replaced in a weeks time. I sort of see cmoose's point, but it's still nice to have a car that's in good mechanical condition and has been taken care of. Over-revs would be the problem, more just that it won't have been run in properly and will have been thrashed from cold.

The wife's got a 2.7 Cayman coming next month and she chose it because it'll be a great car for every day use and a bit of fun when she wants it and having read posts from other 2.7 owners I think that opinion is shared by them as well. I've had my 2.7 987 Boxster for nearly 6 years and for everyday fun within legal limits on public roads I think it's the best car I've ever driven, so much so that I can't see me ever selling it. So don't listen to any comments from the "knowledgeable experts" that seem to pop up on every thread like this and tell you how bad your car is cause in reality we know they haven't got a clue what they're talking about and only come on here to try and show us how bright and knowledgeable they are. If we were in a pub everyone would ignore them anyway so enjoy your car and I hope you get as many smiles out of yours as I have had out of mine.

Haven't all the usual nobs (me included) been singing its praises?!

anonymous said: [redacted] Does the 2.7 actually sound better than the 3.4? Imo the current generation Porsches all sound a bit like a computer game, contrived may be the correct word. Anyway, to clarify, if you take a car like a 2.7 Cayman to the Nurburgring you will be flat through the majority of the corners. It just hasn't got the power to necessitate balancing the throttle, not only that but with the exception of a handful of corners you'll lap the entire track in 3rd gear. At least with the 3.4 it has the powers to be up and down the (long) gears a bit more frequently, and you'll be on the brakes more because of the additional speed you arrive at corners. As for the demo car, I think mine was a demo car or manager car to some degree (was owned by Porsche for a few thousand miles and has a great specification) and its been absolutely fine, the only stuff that has fell off has nothing to do with how its been driven.

SkinnyPete said: Does the 2.7 actually sound better than the 3.4? Imo the current generation Porsches all sound a bit like a computer game, contrived may be the correct word. Anyway, to clarify, if you take a car like a 2.7 Cayman to the Nurburgring you will be flat through the majority of the corners. It just hasn't got the power to necessitate balancing the throttle, not only that but with the exception of a handful of corners you'll lap the entire track in 3rd gear. At least with the 3.4 it has the powers to be up and down the (long) gears a bit more frequently, and you'll be on the brakes more because of the additional speed you arrive at corners. As for the demo car, I think mine was a demo car or manager car to some degree (was owned by Porsche for a few thousand miles and has a great specification) and its been absolutely fine, the only stuff that has fell off has nothing to do with how its been driven. Not really sure about that! You would have some pretty big balls to take most the 'Ring at full throttle. You could, however, drive most A roads in the 2.7 without touching the brakes IF you stick to the speed limit (as very few bends can't be taken at 60 if you want to be a dick and not worry about what is around the corner). In my Cayman, I was very aware of the fact that I was almost never braking because of any concern about the car's ability to get around a corner - it was either so I would be able to stop in the distance I could see to be clear (which makes a lot of bends 30mph bends!) or just so I could accelerate hard out of the bend without risking my licence. If the problem is too much grip relative to speed, that's easily fixed. Cmoose drives his Cayman on 10 inch wheels or similar and it's easy to believe that it's far more delicate because, unlike Porsche, he doesn't buy the 'More grip! More grip!' approach to car dynamics. The 2.7 981 Boxster that I drove recently was on 20s, if I remember rightly, which was absolutely bloody absurd. It felt like it was on rails (in a bad way).

Having picked my 981 Cayman up in June I finally did my Porsche experience day on Friday afternoon. I previously owned a 987 Cayman s fettled by Hartech and the lack of torque in the 2.7 is very obvious day to day but it only adds to make the 2.7 more exciting as you have to search for the power, a pleasure to do with the PDK IMO.. During and after the track day I am even more impressed as it felt that not much else was as nimble and well suited to the shorter twisty track. And for those that worry about buying a demonstrator, don't, the cars at the Porsche centre are driven really really hard and they perform faultlessly. I was told they receive a lick of paint and eventually sold to the general public! 😳

Mja300 said: Having picked my 981 Cayman up in June I finally did my Porsche experience day on Friday afternoon. I previously owned a 987 Cayman s fettled by Hartech and the lack of torque in the 2.7 is very obvious day to day but it only adds to make the 2.7 more exciting as you have to search for the power, a pleasure to do with the PDK IMO.. During and after the track day I am even more impressed as it felt that not much else was as nimble and well suited to the shorter twisty track. And for those that worry about buying a demonstrator, don't, the cars at the Porsche centre are driven really really hard and they perform faultlessly. I was told they receive a lick of paint and eventually sold to the general public! ?? So? Of course they sell them on. Doesn't mean they aren't absolutely knackered

I was highlighting that the dealer demo will have had an easy life in comparison to those who suggested it will have had a hard life. I had initially thought that the cars from the experience centre may have gone onto race teams etc.

IIRC Porsche can check in the electronics memory whether the engine has been over-revved and how many times. My recollection is that they won't sell as "approved used" any car which has been over-revved more than 5 times. I imagine any demonstrators fail the test are likely to be auctioned or otherwise sold into the trade, and perhaps the experience centre cars as well if they've had a hard life.

Having worked in the trade for 16 years all demos get hammered from the get go, despite trying to protect them for the first 500 miles, because of this all demos go like stink, just enjoy the car it will be fine

anonymous said: [redacted] I'd agree with that - though I would add that at my experience at the Silverstone Centre they were religious about warming the cars up before going on track, and the track itself is pretty noddy and won't tax the brakes much - but may cane the front tyres a bit.

anonymous said: [redacted] Use 1st gear sometimes Edited by FrankCayman on Sunday 16th August 17:30

The great thing is that using the revs does no harm to a modern car engine at all. Electronic rev-limiter takes care of that. It's much more stressful for an engine to be "lugged" at low rpm in too high a gear. Auto cars are also protected from over-rev by the PDK but you can certainly trash an engine with a few dodgy downchanges in the manual. Astoundingly to me the Experience Centre was keen to demonstrate how the 3.4 manual will pull quite happily from 25mph in 6th gear. I was astounded? Even though they say it's fine I don't drive my car under 35 mph in 6th.

Ozzie is now on the list of people from whom I would not buy a car It gets right on my nerves when OPC salesmen go on about how 'flexible' the engines are and accelerate hard in high gears. Yes, the car WILL pull reasonably well from 1500 revs, but the engine won't thank you for it. You can hear the strain unless you're completely mechanically unsympathetic or deaf.

anonymous said: [redacted] ?

anonymous said: [redacted] Yep, especially for the less powerful engines.

anonymous said: [redacted] Don't know which PEC you have experience of, but you won't even get to VERY high revs in third at Silverstone and won't use constant high revs anywhere. As I say I agree that I'd be wary of a car from a PEC, particularly a manual where it is much easier for the hamfisted to abuse the engine, the gearbox or the clutch, but if it is cheap enough, you can check the number of overrevs, the condition of the tyres and brakes, (it's easy enough to check seats and sills (?)) - and particularly if you prefer PDK it just MIGHT be worth considering.

anonymous said: [redacted] I suspect the reality is that most stay bogged down in 3rd and then state the car has no torque.

It has minus 4 torques coz the 335d stole them all. I doubt anyone would use 3rd under 55 or 60 in the 2.7, surely?

anonymous said: [redacted] You see, you're learning! This why PDK is so awesome, you can concentrate on your lines! Without fear of having to think about more than one thing at once! In a manual, you have to leave it in one gear for fear of your brain exploding.

ORD said: Ozzie is now on the list of people from whom I would not buy a car Check out the gear ratios used by modern autos, including PDK. If the autos don't die a sudden explosive death after the computer chooses gear "x" at rpm "y" then I'm darned sure my manual won't!

anonymous said: [redacted] I can only say you must have been on the old circuit. That would make no sense on the current one.

Ozzie Osmond said: Check out the gear ratios used by modern autos, including PDK. If the autos don't die a sudden explosive death after the computer chooses gear "x" at rpm "y" then I'm darned sure my manual won't! What? I wouldnt buy a car from you because you seem to think that the engine is somehow protected from excessive wear and/or damage by its electronic rev-limiter, which is just nonsense. The electronic rev-limiter prevents one type of over-rev. It does nothing else at all to protect the engine.

This Silverstone? This chap gets into 7th http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/04/exclusive-fi...

anonymous said: [redacted] I wasn't suggesting shifting from 3rd to 1st. I was merely illustrating that over a period of ownership, you learn to drive in a different way to the plethora of turbo cars. As you say, on slow bends, you pop it in 1st...something you wouldn't dream of in a lot of cars, but it works - and it's rewarding. I am in no way suggesting the gearing is perfect and take your point it could be a more enjoyable car with different gearing.

anonymous said: [redacted] Be consistent - you recommended me to "rev the snot off" a 2.7. You do take it to max revs in second a few times (rev the snot off it) several times a lap, but you don't maintain max revs for any length of time. There is no way the instructor would allow you to go along the main straight bouncing off the limiter. Anyone whose gearchanging is that bad would probably be told to cruise around in 3rd by the instructor as you suggest. But I wasn't fundamentally disagreeing with your basic argument that ex PEC cars are a poor buy unless cheap, I was simply adding information that people contemplating a purchase might find useful. My son instructs at Silverstone and "my" instructor at the PEC is a family friend - so I do have some knowledge of what goes on. The instructors do "protect" the cars more than you might expect, but that doesn't make them a good buy. Ex demo cars are a dubious buy too, almost certainly not run in, and revved when cold - but the abuse is different to PEC cars.

Getting back to the OP...! I've just been on a very similar path, was originally looking at a 987.2 but when I properly looked into the newer model I knew it had to be a 981. After lots of trawling around I eventually found a perfect spec 2.7 PDK at OPC Bristol. A couple of weeks of haggling and we eventually agreed a good deal. Have to say that during this time they couldn't have been more helpful, easily the best service of three or four OPCs I've had contact with in the last few months. Over-rev report, full list of service information, video presentation all happened first time of asking with no fuss. When selling cars for tens of thousands of pounds I guess this should be the norm but it sadly hasn't been, in my experience. I took delivery on Friday and went out for a proper spin yesterday. We drove across to Conwy to see my brother in law then headed south and had a go of the Evo triangle. What a blast! Without doubt the most fun I've had in a car, I absolutely love the PDK box. Everything feels just so planted, at no point did I get that horrible "I've just come at this corner too fast" feeling. While it's not as outright fast as the 997 S I had a couple of years ago I have to say I enjoy it even more. As a daily driver that can give you tons of fun on the right roads, I think it's hard to beat this car. On the outbound trip we did 34mpg on the motorway. Even with two laps of hammering it round the triangle this only dropped to 28mpg for the whole trip. Despite a total of five hours driving I felt absolutely great when we finally arrived home - to be able to do that AND be as good as it was on the deserted B roads of North Wales is a real achievement. As with lots of things in life there will be a lot of debate about PDK vs. manual, 2.7 vs. 3.4 vs. whatever; all I can say is that I'm delighted with my choice it's pretty much the perfect balance for how I use a car.

ORD said: I wouldnt buy a car from you because you seem to think that the engine is somehow protected from excessive wear and/or damage by its electronic rev-limiter, which is just nonsense. The electronic rev-limiter prevents one type of over-rev. It does nothing else at all to protect the engine. You appear to have read my previous post the wrong way round - it was about low rpm, not high rpm. Ozzie Osmond said: Check out the gear ratios used by modern autos, including PDK. If the autos don't die a sudden explosive death after the computer chooses gear "x" at rpm "y" then I'm darned sure my manual won't! I had previously made clear that manual cars have an over-rev risk which the PDKs don’t. Ozzie Osmond said: Auto cars are also protected from over-rev by the PDK but you can certainly trash an engine with a few dodgy downchanges in the manual.

etk said: As with lots of things in life there will be a lot of debate about PDK vs. manual, 2.7 vs. 3.4 vs. whatever; all I can say is that I'm delighted with my choice it's pretty much the perfect balance for how I use a car. Glad you're enjoying your new car! Pretty much exactly how I feel about mine. I am not offended when people who say they don't like it due to x y z.... there are plenty of other cars on the market they can buy instead.......end of the day, I own and drive a car that I love to bits. Cheers! Edited by FrankCayman on Monday 17th August 11:45

anonymous said: [redacted] The great thing is that using the revs does no harm to a modern car engine at all. Electronic rev-limiter takes care of that. Kindly explain what's wrong about that.

^^ OK then, I'll call you on that one. What rpm do you think the PDK changes gear under full acceleration?

etk said: Getting back to the OP...! I've just been on a very similar path, was originally looking at a 987.2 but when I properly looked into the newer model I knew it had to be a 981. After lots of trawling around I eventually found a perfect spec 2.7 PDK at OPC Bristol. A couple of weeks of haggling and we eventually agreed a good deal. Have to say that during this time they couldn't have been more helpful, easily the best service of three or four OPCs I've had contact with in the last few months. Over-rev report, full list of service information, video presentation all happened first time of asking with no fuss. When selling cars for tens of thousands of pounds I guess this should be the norm but it sadly hasn't been, in my experience. I took delivery on Friday and went out for a proper spin yesterday. We drove across to Conwy to see my brother in law then headed south and had a go of the Evo triangle. What a blast! Without doubt the most fun I've had in a car, I absolutely love the PDK box. Everything feels just so planted, at no point did I get that horrible "I've just come at this corner too fast" feeling. While it's not as outright fast as the 997 S I had a couple of years ago I have to say I enjoy it even more. As a daily driver that can give you tons of fun on the right roads, I think it's hard to beat this car. On the outbound trip we did 34mpg on the motorway. Even with two laps of hammering it round the triangle this only dropped to 28mpg for the whole trip. Despite a total of five hours driving I felt absolutely great when we finally arrived home - to be able to do that AND be as good as it was on the deserted B roads of North Wales is a real achievement. As with lots of things in life there will be a lot of debate about PDK vs. manual, 2.7 vs. 3.4 vs. whatever; all I can say is that I'm delighted with my choice it's pretty much the perfect balance for how I use a car. Forgot to ask...what's the full spec. on yours, mate? Edited by FrankCayman on Monday 17th August 13:11

FrankCayman said: Forgot to ask...what's the full spec. on yours, mate? 2.7 PDK 2013 20,000 miles Bose PCM Platinum carrera S 20" wheels, colour centres Sport design steering wheel with paddles Leather package Embossed headrests Exterior package painted Auto dimming/folding mirrors Speed limit detection Two zone climate control Model designation deletion Heated seats Isofix Floor mats Cargo nets Park assist front and rear Rain sensor Sports tailpipe Telephone module So, except for sports exhaust it's got pretty much everything I would have specced (plus a fair bit extra!).

etk said: 2.7 PDK 2013 20,000 miles Bose PCM Platinum carrera S 20" wheels, colour centres Sport design steering wheel with paddles Leather package Embossed headrests Exterior package painted Auto dimming/folding mirrors Speed limit detection Two zone climate control Model designation deletion Heated seats Isofix Floor mats Cargo nets Park assist front and rear Rain sensor Sports tailpipe Telephone module So, except for sports exhaust it's got pretty much everything I would have specced (plus a fair bit extra!). Nice.....they sound ok without the sports exhaust, don't they!

Don't they just - have all but given up on listening to music since I got it! Those last 3,000 revs up to the redline sound amazing. How long have you had yours for? What have you got on it?

etk said: Don't they just - have all but given up on listening to music since I got it! Those last 3,000 revs up to the redline sound amazing. How long have you had yours for? What have you got on it? I ordered mine at launch and took delivery April 2013. Spec Solid Black 20" Carrera Classic wheels PCM Sound Package Plus Model deletion Telephone module Sport Tail Pipes Park assist rear Think that was about it. Now covered 50,000 miles....my only car (didn't like the 'two car ownership' thing - wanted one that did everything).

etk said: Those last 3,000 revs up to the redline sound amazing. Yup, the cars sound wonderful for those of us willing to use the revs. Real change of tone and pace. The engine's designed to rev, so make it happen!

FrankCayman said: I ordered mine at launch and took delivery April 2013. Spec Solid Black 20" Carrera Classic wheels PCM Sound Package Plus Model deletion Telephone module Sport Tail Pipes Park assist rear Think that was about it. Now covered 50,000 miles....my only car (didn't like the 'two car ownership' thing - wanted one that did everything). Really does feel that way so far. I'm taking it to get detailed next monday, can't wait to see it in its full glossy glory. Quick question, does your's have the tyre pressure monitoring on it? I'm sure I read it was a legal requirement on all post-2012 cars but can't find the option on mine.

etk said: Quick question, does your's have the tyre pressure monitoring on it? I'm sure I read it was a legal requirement on all post-2012 cars but can't find the option on mine. My 2012 does not have TPMS but it became mandatory very soon afterwards - from 1 November 2012. The "mandatory" element is driven by when the car was built, not when it was first registered, so some non-TPMS cars will have continued to be registered afterwards.

etk said: Really does feel that way so far. I'm taking it to get detailed next monday, can't wait to see it in its full glossy glory. Quick question, does your's have the tyre pressure monitoring on it? I'm sure I read it was a legal requirement on all post-2012 cars but can't find the option on mine. Tyre pressure monitoring only became a legal requirement last November (I think) and was I believe fitted to cars from July 14 as standard. My March 14 car doesn't have it.

bcr5784 said: etk said: Really does feel that way so far. I'm taking it to get detailed next monday, can't wait to see it in its full glossy glory. Quick question, does your's have the tyre pressure monitoring on it? I'm sure I read it was a legal requirement on all post-2012 cars but can't find the option on mine. Tyre pressure monitoring only became a legal requirement last November (I think) and was I believe fitted to cars from July 14 as standard. My March 14 car doesn't have it. Mine doesn't have it either....

FrankCayman said: Mine doesn't have it either.... My March 14 registered car has it, but I had to extra pay for it. In Europe (EU member states) it been mandatory since late 2014, its part of the bargaining manufacturers had with EU regulators regarding improving fuel consumption improvements (as I'm sure you know tyre pressures have a big effect on fuel consumption).