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I've had my Porsche 718 GT4 now for 2 months. In that time I've had so much Porsche hate. I just can't believe the behavior of some people, from hand shandy signals, to tail gating, trying to prevoke a race, cutting across me. I've never had this with the TVR, the Lotus or for that matter the 981S that I've owned. It's happening virtually everytime I drive the car and it's spoiling the enjoyment, which believe me is hard to do. What worrys me is, if there is this much aggression on the road what's going to happen when I park it up unattended?? PS Just went out to see if the tracker was working and got cut up

I drive a lotus and get nothing but friendly waves.

You must live in a bad area. I have a hot hatch and a modified BMW and I have never received anything like what you are describing while driving either.

Weird. My Boxster has only been well received by the public, never been let out at junctions so much! Maybe its something else.

Perhaps they're all on the waiting list and are green with envy? As a balance, I think you have a great car, and if I saw you, I'd be boring my partner about what a wonderful naturally aspirated flat 6 it has, and what a lucky chap you are. Enjoy your car. f k everyone else.

chris.t said: I've had my Porsche 718 GT4 now for 2 months. In that time I've had so much Porsche hate. I just can't believe the behavior of some people, from hand shandy signals, to tail gating, trying to prevoke a race, cutting across me. I've never had this with the TVR, the Lotus or for that matter the 981S that I've owned. It's happening virtually everytime I drive the car and it's spoiling the enjoyment, which believe me is hard to do. What worrys me is, if there is this much aggression on the road what's going to happen when I park it up unattended?? PS Just went out to see if the tracker was working and got cut up Just smirk, shrug your shoulders, and carry on... if they get that wound up by you in a nice Porsche, imagine how bad their own lives must be. Oh, and check someone hasn't written any expletives in the dirt on the back of your car

I had much the same with my GT4. At some points I was getting some very nasty looks when just filling up with fuel. Maybe it's my face (it's fecking ugly) but having a new bright red Porsche with a big wing on the back made me feel like a target in today's Britain. Like you it ruined the enjoyment and ultimately the practicality of it as I just didn't feel comfortable leaving it parked up. And that was one of the main reasons for selling it. I drive other cars (Lotus etc) and don't have the same issue, including a silver Porsche 996 which slips under the radar very nicely indeed.

I've only had an old Porsche (968) but it did seem to attract admirers and haters. The former was a group of girls in a convertible making friendly gestures towards me. The latter was anything from being told "what an ugly car " by some fat bint at a Halfords tent in Ewell/Epsom, getting tailgated by a van and getting confronted by a bloke at a petrol station when I didn't drive to the 'correct' pump - no apology when I pointed out I needed the premium gas. It wouldn't stop me getting another one.

718 Boxster S here, in a relatively sedate colour. Same behaviour observed!

CraigyMc said: I drive a lotus and get nothing but friendly waves. Try south Norfolk B roads in an Elise, people pull over and wave you by! Cheery waves while driving (carefully) through villages too. Found the XJ8, Elise and Chimera have a very friendly reception, same for VW camper, MG a little less (pretty common I guess). Everything else fairly neutral. Clearly something loveable and ideally British helps. I wonder how a Moggie Minor would be treated? My brother's MK10 Jag was funny, driving round Norwich the traffic just parted in front of it. I don't know if that car simply has presence or "associations"...

No such issues with mine, then again I'm one of those odd people that smiles and nods at anyone who catches my eye whilst out and about ... I do the same on London underground ... disarms most people .... Had it worse in my Z4 to be honest.

Exactly the same back when I had a Boxster S. No end of w ker signs or shouts from irate people, mainly blokes and often white van man. Never had so much as one before in my TVRs or Lotus, nor since in a further 2 Lotus and Aston. The Porsche in between attracted nothing but vitriol.

I suspect it's more jealousy than anything else. Some cars seem to challenge fragile egos far more than other cars. By contrast I used to own a Lupo that was modified, lowered, nice wheels, black roof, no badges etc. I received the most compliments on that car despite having owned nicer, quicker more 'flashy' cars. I think it's because no one ever felt threatened by it. People are an odd bunch.

It must be the wing, color, spoahts exhaust, or some combination thereof that ticks people off. My 987 has none of these and gets by without hassle. Some people actually like it because unlike most German performance barges it's small and elegant.

I think you're going to have to accept anyone driving on our roads with a bloody great wing stuck on the back of the car is going to look a bit of a t t. There are no situations on UK roads with the traffic, cameras and limits where a wing is required. Unless you're within 5 miles of a circuit it just says "boy racer". Don't let it worry you though, it's your money, your car so just accept 90% of the population think it looks stupid and continue to enjoy it.

Lots of jealous and slightly unhinged people out there that have only been made more so by the challenges of the last 2 years. The way of the world I'd suggest and just something you need to live with if you want nice things. I had a very similar experience at times when we got our Tesla M3P back in 2019, never let it bother me TBH.

You want to move near me. Every other car seems to be a housewife in a Porsche of some sort. They're completely innocuous.

Harry H said: I think you're going to have to accept anyone driving on our roads with a bloody great wing stuck on the back of the car is going to look a bit of a t t. There are no situations on UK roads with the traffic, cameras and limits where a wing is required. Unless you're within 5 miles of a circuit it just says "boy racer". Don't let it worry you though, it's your money, your car so just accept 90% of the population think it looks stupid and continue to enjoy it. People can think what they like, but when it turns into aggression and abuse it's a very different issue?

I have a neighbour with a red GT4. Must have the full sports exhaust as it's the loudest car for miles, even amongst the local Barry boy Fiesta ST's and local Subarus. It doesn't help that he sits there with it idling for a full 5 mins or so before pulling away. I think it's loud and i'm about 150-200 metres away at least. Closer neighbours must get quite annoyed. The spoiler sticks out (literally) too - easy target for some who don't understand what the car is for and just think it's been barry'ed. I'm glad as it makes my M6 sound quiet

Leon R said: You must live in a bad area. I have a hot hatch and a modified BMW and I have never received anything like what you are describing while driving either. WTF relevance does this have? You drive a regular looking hatchback and a coupe 3 series with 4 exhausts, and you expect people to behave the same as a very in your face porsche with a large wing?

Harry H said: I think you're going to have to accept anyone driving on our roads with a bloody great wing stuck on the back of the car is going to look a bit of a t t. I like the Porsche brand and would love to own a Taycan - but I agree with the above re the GT cars - they just look silly to the majority of the public.

When I had my Boxster I seem to recall only decent reactions apart from one time when I drove past some 12 year olds and got 'fanny!' shouted at me.

Awesome lurking!

Yep, 996 owner with slightly bling wheels - The number of people who want to race away from the lights, have to overtake me at any opportunity, speed up to close gaps I amy want to pull in to etc is laughable. I came from a nice anonymous Kia and the difference in attitude is night and day.

I'm guessing a GT4 might be in a shouty colour and have GT4 written in fairly large script across the back? I can imagine that brings our the knuckle draggers.

Mark V GTD said: Harry H said: I think you're going to have to accept anyone driving on our roads with a bloody great wing stuck on the back of the car is going to look a bit of a t t. I like the Porsche brand and would love to own a Taycan - but I agree with the above re the GT cars - they just look silly to the majority of the public. As above, who cares what people think as long as they keep it to themselves? OK discussing this stuff on a forum as to be expected, but in real life it says a lot more about the people who are reacting being t ts as far as I'm concerned.

When I bought my Panamera I thought I might end up being a target, as there's not many of them around here. Strangely I've ended up having quite a few chats about the car with people, certainly seems to attract more good attention than bad. It is silver though, or a saloon. Edited by jamesbilluk on Tuesday 29th March 12:36

Chap I knew many many years ago got himself a brand new TR7 convertible. Sat there in the town centre traffic, shades on, top down thinking he's the canines genitalia and some old tramp walks over, picks up the rubbish bin and empties it in the back of his car. He's sat there going no where, stinking to high heaven with the whole world laughing at him. Nice bloke but still makes me chuckle today even if it does make me nervous when driving a soft top.

Harry H said: Chap I knew many many years ago got himself a brand new TR7 convertible. Sat there in the town centre traffic, shades on, top down thinking he's the canines genitalia and some old tramp walks over, picks up the rubbish bin and empties it in the back of his car. He's sat there going no where, stinking to high heaven with the whole world laughing at him. Nice bloke but still makes me chuckle today even if it does make me nervous when driving a soft top. Wearing sunglasses in a convertible? Wow. String him up. I'd say that was 100% jealousy/bitterness. Including from the "whole world" laughing at him. Be honest, that's why you laughed too isn't it? Because there's no other obvious, logical, or acceptable reason.

Shiv_P said: Leon R said: You must live in a bad area. I have a hot hatch and a modified BMW and I have never received anything like what you are describing while driving either. WTF relevance does this have? You drive a regular looking hatchback and a coupe 3 series with 4 exhausts, and you expect people to behave the same as a very in your face porsche with a large wing? Do you think it is the wing or the Porsche badge that upsets people? For the record I would behave in the exact same way if I encountered you on the road in your Fiesta or the OP in his Porsche although admittedly I am more likely to give the OP's car a second look.

Whenever I see a Porsche, they seem to be driving smoothly and calmly, hence no-one makes any particular notice. I find it’s HOW people drive not WHAT they drive that attracts any on-road comments/actions.

I’m in London and I get the odd bit of abuse, maybe a couple of times a year. I just put it down to jealousy. Mostly it’s t ts in black Corsas or little underpowered BMWs cutting me up or wanting to race. There’s nothing more satisfying sitting at a set of lights and a kid pulls up clearly wanting a showdown. Once the lights change I let him rev off into the distance happy in the knowledge I love my car and have absolutely nothing to prove to anyone. Let the haters hate if it makes them feel better. Oh yes, and never park your car anywhere vulnerable!

Pica-Pica said: I find it’s HOW people drive not WHAT they drive that attracts any on-road comments/actions. But then how do you account for my experience (and seemingly that of the OP). Other than a 2 year hiatus in a Porsche, I have driven TVRs, Lotus and Astons for 20 years. I didn't change driving behaviour for the 2 years I drove a Porsche.

Harry H said: Chap I knew many many years ago got himself a brand new TR7 convertible. Sat there in the town centre traffic, shades on, top down thinking he's the canines genitalia and some old tramp walks over, picks up the rubbish bin and empties it in the back of his car. He's sat there going no where, stinking to high heaven with the whole world laughing at him. Nice bloke but still makes me chuckle today even if it does make me nervous when driving a soft top. And therein lies the problem. Why would vandalizing someone's property be considered funny? SteveStrange said: Wearing sunglasses in a convertible? Wow. String him up. I'd say that was 100% jealousy/bitterness. Including from the "whole world" laughing at him. Be honest, that's why you laughed too isn't it? Because there's no other obvious, logical, or acceptable reason. Yes

SteveStrange said: Harry H said: Chap I knew many many years ago got himself a brand new TR7 convertible. Sat there in the town centre traffic, shades on, top down thinking he's the canines genitalia and some old tramp walks over, picks up the rubbish bin and empties it in the back of his car. He's sat there going no where, stinking to high heaven with the whole world laughing at him. Nice bloke but still makes me chuckle today even if it does make me nervous when driving a soft top. Wearing sunglasses in a convertible? Wow. String him up. I'd say that was 100% jealousy/bitterness. Including from the "whole world" laughing at him. Be honest, that's why you laughed too isn't it? Because there's no other obvious, logical, or acceptable reason. Don't be so precious. If you weren't so wound up you too might find it a little bit funny. No lasting damage done as his ego wasn't as fragile as yours and he used to tell the tale himself as an amusement.

Mark V GTD said: Harry H said: I think you're going to have to accept anyone driving on our roads with a bloody great wing stuck on the back of the car is going to look a bit of a t t. I like the Porsche brand and would love to own a Taycan - but I agree with the above re the GT cars - they just look silly to the majority of the public. Not really. And the GT4 hasn't got a big wing on the rear. In fact its quite subtle. Porsche GTRS have much larger wings. Never had a problem with folks and my Porsche GTs including my current red 718 GT4 which always receives friendly attention.

I think it’s related to where you live and how you drive, one or the other or both, in general. Around my neck of the woods no one bats an eyelid if what sports car you drive but, normally, bad drivers on big SUVs do not impress locals much. That is also my pet hate, people with big cats that cannot park or drive them correctly and respectfully in narrow country lanes. Regardless of that I don’t let my blood pressure rise over such trivial matters.

I'd get nervous as well if I lived near people with big cats. What if they ever got out? think of the children.

Shnozz said: Pica-Pica said: I find it’s HOW people drive not WHAT they drive that attracts any on-road comments/actions. But then how do you account for my experience (and seemingly that of the OP). Other than a 2 year hiatus in a Porsche, I have driven TVRs, Lotus and Astons for 20 years. I didn't change driving behaviour for the 2 years I drove a Porsche. He's wrong, how you drive makes little difference. Based on some of my wife's experiences over the years you should try being a woman driving certain cars. Regular aggression from what I assume are under endowed men seems to be a common occurrence.

CrgT16 said: I think it’s related to where you live and how you drive, one or the other or both, in general. Around my neck of the woods no one bats an eyelid if what sports car you drive but, normally, bad drivers on big SUVs do not impress locals much. That is also my pet hate, people with big cats that cannot park or drive them correctly and respectfully in narrow country lanes. Regardless of that I don’t let my blood pressure rise over such trivial matters. It has now gone beyond amazing me how drivers of off road capable vehicles seem to want to always maintain road contact on narrow lanes, no matter how firm and level the verge is.

Chubbyross said: I love my car and have absolutely nothing to prove to anyone. This in spades. As for leaving your car somewhere vulnerable, I've got a massive car park ding in my passenger door, through to the metal in the middle with a lot of white scuffing, up high so pretty clearly from a white van. They would definitely have known that they did it. To a £10k, 20 year old car. I bet they felt so big and clever for teaching me a lesson.

fido said: I've only had an old Porsche (968) but it did seem to attract admirers and haters. The former was a group of girls in a convertible making friendly gestures towards me. The latter was anything from being told "what an ugly car " by some fat bint at a Halfords tent Hopefully you replied 'what an ugly bint'.

SWoll said: Shnozz said: Pica-Pica said: I find it’s HOW people drive not WHAT they drive that attracts any on-road comments/actions. But then how do you account for my experience (and seemingly that of the OP). Other than a 2 year hiatus in a Porsche, I have driven TVRs, Lotus and Astons for 20 years. I didn't change driving behaviour for the 2 years I drove a Porsche. He's wrong, how you drive makes little difference. Based on some of my wife's experiences over the years you should try being a woman driving certain cars. Regular aggression from what I assume are under endowed men seems to be a common occurrence. Then it’s where you live.

Harry H said: SteveStrange said: Harry H said: Chap I knew many many years ago got himself a brand new TR7 convertible. Sat there in the town centre traffic, shades on, top down thinking he's the canines genitalia and some old tramp walks over, picks up the rubbish bin and empties it in the back of his car. He's sat there going no where, stinking to high heaven with the whole world laughing at him. Nice bloke but still makes me chuckle today even if it does make me nervous when driving a soft top. Wearing sunglasses in a convertible? Wow. String him up. I'd say that was 100% jealousy/bitterness. Including from the "whole world" laughing at him. Be honest, that's why you laughed too isn't it? Because there's no other obvious, logical, or acceptable reason. Don't be so precious. If you weren't so wound up you too might find it a little bit funny. No lasting damage done as his ego wasn't as fragile as yours and he used to tell the tale himself as an amusement. The fact he's man enough to look back and laugh isn't relevant. As mentioned previously, other peoples reactions to it says a lot more about them than it does your friend.

Harry H said: SteveStrange said: Harry H said: Chap I knew many many years ago got himself a brand new TR7 convertible. Sat there in the town centre traffic, shades on, top down thinking he's the canines genitalia and some old tramp walks over, picks up the rubbish bin and empties it in the back of his car. He's sat there going no where, stinking to high heaven with the whole world laughing at him. Nice bloke but still makes me chuckle today even if it does make me nervous when driving a soft top. Wearing sunglasses in a convertible? Wow. String him up. I'd say that was 100% jealousy/bitterness. Including from the "whole world" laughing at him. Be honest, that's why you laughed too isn't it? Because there's no other obvious, logical, or acceptable reason. Don't be so precious. If you weren't so wound up you too might find it a little bit funny. No lasting damage done as his ego wasn't as fragile as yours and he used to tell the tale himself as an amusement. You're not bitter and jealous, but I'm being precious about pointless, petty vandalism? You sound like a lovely chap.

Pica-Pica said: SWoll said: Shnozz said: Pica-Pica said: I find it’s HOW people drive not WHAT they drive that attracts any on-road comments/actions. But then how do you account for my experience (and seemingly that of the OP). Other than a 2 year hiatus in a Porsche, I have driven TVRs, Lotus and Astons for 20 years. I didn't change driving behaviour for the 2 years I drove a Porsche. He's wrong, how you drive makes little difference. Based on some of my wife's experiences over the years you should try being a woman driving certain cars. Regular aggression from what I assume are under endowed men seems to be a common occurrence. Then it’s where you live. She drives all over the country an we've lived in numerous places. It's a certain subset of society in general that are the problem, not a specific location.

SidewaysSi said: Maybe it's my face (it's fecking ugly) but having a new bright red Porsche with a big wing on the back made me feel like a target in today's Britain. Like you it ruined the enjoyment and ultimately the practicality of it as I just didn't feel comfortable leaving it parked up. And that was one of the main reasons for selling it. I can only assume I'm much prettier than you then as having a bright red Porsche with a big wing, I can't think of any occasion I've been subject to grief or not let out. Then again my autism may prevent me understanding the rage being directed at me!

flatsix.ant said: Weird. My Boxster has only been well received by the public, never been let out at junctions so much! Maybe its something else. You live in the more civilized South of England?

It’s such a tired old cliche on here that people must be jealous of others with a nice car. People trying to race you is a common and unwelcome issue but that happens as often to owners of cheap old sportsbikes as much as people in six figure Porsches. As to the other stuff it is very much the hypersensitivity thing where people interpret the smallest actions by others as signs of jealousy or disdain. People aren’t always pleasant so scrape a kerb with the nose or attempt a risky parallel park and you’ll be guaranteed an audience.

GT03ROB said: SidewaysSi said: Maybe it's my face (it's fecking ugly) but having a new bright red Porsche with a big wing on the back made me feel like a target in today's Britain. Like you it ruined the enjoyment and ultimately the practicality of it as I just didn't feel comfortable leaving it parked up. And that was one of the main reasons for selling it. I can only assume I'm much prettier than you then as having a bright red Porsche with a big wing, I can't think of any occasion I've been subject to grief or not let out. Then again my autism may prevent me understanding the rage being directed at me! You are no doubt much prettier than me. But I didn't feel particularly comfortable driving it, unlike most other cars I have had - If doing it again, I won't go for a loud colour that's for sure..! My boggo looking 996 literally gets very little reaction which I much prefer. Life's too short for this kind of s t.

SWoll said: Pica-Pica said: SWoll said: Shnozz said: Pica-Pica said: I find it’s HOW people drive not WHAT they drive that attracts any on-road comments/actions. But then how do you account for my experience (and seemingly that of the OP). Other than a 2 year hiatus in a Porsche, I have driven TVRs, Lotus and Astons for 20 years. I didn't change driving behaviour for the 2 years I drove a Porsche. He's wrong, how you drive makes little difference. Based on some of my wife's experiences over the years you should try being a woman driving certain cars. Regular aggression from what I assume are under endowed men seems to be a common occurrence. Then it’s where you live. She drives all over the country an we've lived in numerous places. It's a certain subset of society in general that are the problem, not a specific location. Indeed. As was my experience. Not isolated to a single part of the country. Only place I found Porsche hatred absent was once I was on the continent and the other side of the English channel. Wasn't imagined glances or road actions, but verbal and some frankly bizarre insults where people felt the need that they had to make it known to me. Never had it with any of the other nicer cars, in fact quite the opposite. Same for being let out of junctions etc. Only ever recall one "incident" of dislike in all those years, and that was an old lady who shook her fist complaining of my "speed" in a TVR, where it was simply the noisy exhaust giving the impression of speed rather than the speed itself, as I was within the limit and in a line of traffic.

Unfortunately many people have a chip on their shoulder and take exception to anyone who spends hard earned money on a nice car. If it's any consolation OP, it's a reflection of their character, not you.

SW London with a 996 Turbo here. The only things I have noticed is 1 lady telling me it was a lovely car when I'd just bought it, and the occasional young boy (10-13 yr olds I guess) pointing excitedly or walking into the back of their parents because they're looking at the car and not where they're going. The exhaust is standard, so moderately loud (compared to the average car) and the wing is only up if on motorways or at car meets. It's also unwashed, so people assume I don't give a s t. It still has Sahara sand on it. Actually, it rained this morning so it might be cleaner than when I last saw it. I like my cars like I like my women... ... . . . . . . ... driven. Edited by Hoofy on Tuesday 29th March 13:37

The only abuse I have ever had was when I had a bright yellow Elise. Stuck in traffic, some bloke travelling in the opposite direction shouted the C word at me. Girlfriend at the time said “maybe he knows you”

What colour is your car? I could write a book about the different attitudes I've received based on the colour of my cars. Never mind the different brands. It took me 15 minutes of ownership of an orange 997 RS to get a hand signal, but I got nothing but positivity for my white 997 GT3. My current 992 in aventurine also get loads of love.

The racing thing is not related to it being a Porsche, I had a Focus ST for 18 months, that attracted the racing crowd like flies to s te! My 987 Cayman did attract some hate, the worse was while waiting for recovery outside the secure car park of work in a not great area of town when the gear cables broke. But it did attract hate in some other places as well, the Westfield and Elise that came before never had that problem. I have just replaced the Cayman with a M2, that just seems to pass most people by so far, unless you start it up!

Harry H said: I'd get nervous as well if I lived near people with big cats. What if they ever got out? think of the children. It would stop the deer eating my tulips though. My "regular" cat won't go near them.

Porsche GTs are very colour sensitive regarding the attention they garner. My old Red GT4 and Yellow GT3 were sometimes subjected to bad behaviour by fellow motorists mainly by boy racers wanting to race. One of said imbeciles ended up writing his s te box off whilst attempting to overtake my Yellow GT3 on a blind left hand bend on a freezing Friday night back in December 2017. Hence the reason I chose subtle Black for my current RS WP where I've never received bad behaviour despite having a massively bigger wing. Strangely only get admiration when out in my Ferraris including a Red 812 as they seem to intimidate other drivers into being polite. Brightly coloured Porsches with big wings are cars which I avoid buying. I also never drive sports cars in busy urban environments which is just asking for coffee beans handshakes.

limpsfield said: The only abuse I have ever had was when I had a bright yellow Elise. Stuck in traffic, some bloke travelling in the opposite direction shouted the C word at me. Girlfriend at the time said “maybe he knows you” Never heard of a Lotus driver being called a Chav before......

I think it’s a said reflection on the UK in general. There are some very bitter people that get satisfaction out of being unpleasant and causing damage to other property. When I was 21 I bought myself a red MR2 mk2. Often got loads of negativity. On one occasion I was say in traffic, guy in graph fiesta sat in traffic going the other way, he smiled, gave the thumbs up and gestures to open window, at which point he spat at me. I started to get out of my car, his lights went green and he sped off. Some people are animals. I’ve had quite a few old classics that have always been well received, stopped many times for a chat about them. Newer flashier cars seem to attract more negativity - I’ve bought a Taycan and I’ll be honest and say I’m concerned it’s going to attract the a-holes. Haters will always hate, their lives must be so sad.

julian987R said: isleofthorns said: Had something happen today that I've not had with any other car I've owned... nice day, so I took my 991.1 c4s to the local village and to my gym. Came home and noticed someone has SPAT down the side of the car... I've talking a big greenie!! Do you think this is a reaction to the times we're in, or just P hate? I must admit I'm a little more conscious of driving a 911 given the cost of living crisis, but I've never had anyone actually do anything like today's experience... it could be bird vomit which can appear like extreme spit Not a reaction to the times, although they don't help. There are just some unpleasant, jealous people about. Porsches sometimes attract them, as mentioned previously on this thread. More extrovert looking cars attract more attention, as does more extrovert driving. In ten years of 997 ownership I think I now remember someone had spat on mine when it was parked in the street. Your post reminded me. It didn't ruin my ownership of the car, but did make me wonder what kind of w ker would feel the need to do it, although at the same time knowing that these kind of people definitely exist.

Someone gobbed on my TVR about 20 years ago. It was parked in a nice street in Reigate. https://goo.gl/maps/NV9SnHz9SgLWMEsS6 Funnily, it once wouldn't start when I was going home so I knocked on a random door (my mobile phone was out of charge) and the chap who answered it was happy to let me phone the AA. He then showed me his TVR in the garage.

Hoofy said: and the chap who answered it was happy to let me phone the AA. He then showed me his TVR in the garage. How convenient, they likely knew the address well already Dunc.

Had a good one recently, going to the South East of England Show and the parking spaces are on uneven grass fields, not like football pitches but uneven land. I have the X73 kit on my GTS so it's low. We are in a very long queue of cars all slowly entering the site and then turning into one of the fields and heading towards the far side, as directed by the stewards. I drive across the grass at about 6-8mph and the car in front is probably doing 10mph. Bear in mind, that there is a line of cars all slowly mooching to the parking spaces. It isn't a race or a rush, it's very orderly and we will all get a space. Anyway, I pull up to the right of the car in front who has now parked, and the car behind me pulls up to my right in their space. I switch the ignition off and go to open the door and I'm confronted with a woman, complete with a croydon facelift and yappy dog, mouthing to me through her window "you're so f king slow, why the f k are you driving so slow?!" I just laugh and exit the car, me and my partner head into the event. A couple of hours later we leave and I come back to the car to find they have moved space and parked directly behind me about an inch from my bumper, out of kilter with the line behind us, making it harder for us to exit the car park. The car in question was a 06 Lexus that looked like it had been used in several post office robberies. Compare that to the steward who said "nice motor mate" when I drove past, to which I thanked him. I suppose seeing someone under fifty with a bright red Porsche during a cost-of-living crisis was too hard for these people to bear so needed to vent. Oh well.

Hoofy said: Someone gobbed on my TVR about 20 years ago. It was parked in a nice street in Reigate. https://goo.gl/maps/NV9SnHz9SgLWMEsS6 Funnily, it once wouldn't start when I was going home so I knocked on a random door (my mobile phone was out of charge) and the chap who answered it was happy to let me phone the AA. He then showed me his TVR in the garage. I remember a colleague of mine told me he caught someone pissing into his 911 cab in the 90s, when he had parked it with the roof down

Swine Enthusiast said: Hoofy said: Someone gobbed on my TVR about 20 years ago. It was parked in a nice street in Reigate. https://goo.gl/maps/NV9SnHz9SgLWMEsS6 Funnily, it once wouldn't start when I was going home so I knocked on a random door (my mobile phone was out of charge) and the chap who answered it was happy to let me phone the AA. He then showed me his TVR in the garage. I remember a colleague of mine told me he caught someone pissing into his 911 cab in the 90s, when he had parked it with the roof down It has always happened and not just fancy cars, back in the 80's somebody wee'd onto the tonneau cover of my pal's Panther Lima and not so long ago somebody gobbed along the side of my old Mercedes ML270 which I used to park overnight in Covent Garden....

Does this sort of behavior towards other people's prized possessions that they may have worked very hard to acquire happen in other countries, or are we just becoming a hateful little island full of spiteful ignorant jealous maggots?

Ken Sington said: Does this sort of behavior towards other people's prized possessions that they may have worked very hard to acquire happen in other countries, or are we just becoming a hateful little island full of spiteful ignorant jealous maggots? Far less prevalent abroad in my experience. More interested in asking about the car or wanting a photo with it rather than spitting at it. And I wouldn't say "becoming" as I think this has been the case as long as I've known.

Ken Sington said: Does this sort of behavior towards other people's prized possessions that they may have worked very hard to acquire happen in other countries, or are we just becoming a hateful little island full of spiteful ignorant jealous maggots? Its an UK only phenomenon in my experience. We are a vastly overpopulated little island which puts even more pressure on our social behaviour.

Ken Sington said: Does this sort of behavior towards other people's prized possessions that they may have worked very hard to acquire happen in other countries, or are we just becoming a hateful little island full of spiteful ignorant jealous maggots? Can't speak for many places, but in Paris nice cars tend to get the s t kicked out of them by everyone.

dunc_sx said: Hoofy said: and the chap who answered it was happy to let me phone the AA. He then showed me his TVR in the garage. How convenient, they likely knew the address well already Dunc.

Ken Sington said: Does this sort of behavior towards other people's prized possessions that they may have worked very hard to acquire happen in other countries, or are we just becoming a hateful little island full of spiteful ignorant jealous maggots? They're going to be keying mine when they find out I didn't work hard for it.

Ken Sington said: Does this sort of behavior towards other people's prized possessions that they may have worked very hard to acquire happen in other countries, or are we just becoming a hateful little island full of spiteful ignorant jealous maggots? A thousand social and economic factors are partially responsible for this, but remember that those maggots probably spent their school days being told they were winners and could do anything in life only to find out that it was a massive lie. Since we lean more towards US capitalism than European socialism, it’s arguably our own fault. This topic is also too controversial, divisive, political, and complex for a car forum though! Or any forum really.

I haven't owned a Porsche since my 928s a few years ago and i never experienced any negativity from others in all the time i owned it. I plan to own another Porsche in the not to distant future and hope to experience only good comments despite what i have read here. Such a shame some sad sacks feel the need to vent their jealousy onto others for their choice of car. For the record i take the time to chat with Porsche owners who always give me the time of day..

Everybody loves the Mustang all I get is rev it mate

Merc 450 said: Everybody loves the Mustang all I get is rev it mate The Mustang sure does attract a lot of attention and praise....thing is it becomes a bit of an annoyance as every time i used to park up my 69 fastback people would want to stop and chat, which is fine in theory, but after 2 years it gets a bit much. And when driving i could see people weaving in an out behind trying to get up close, or slowing down alongside. It was like driving in a fish bowl.

I've had a GT3 and now have a GT4 and never had any issues with any folk. If anything, normally there is a positive reaction and a wave or thumbs up.

There will always be people who are having a bad day, jealous folk and unfortunately those who suffer with a crap personality. Thankfully most people are really nice and some are quite funny. I remember one bloke saying, ‘nice Porsche, so glad you haven’t made yourself look like a tit with the big wing and a load of scaffolding in the back.’ A small insight into the fact that even very nice people think the big wing makes one look a bit tragic, it’s just that they’re normally too polite to say it.

I love big wings and scaffolding so just F**K EM

I’ve had a couple of GT3RS cars and a GT2RS- yet I’ve never had any grief or negative vibes from other motorists or the public. Only once had a bad experience- I was filling up my GT3RS at a local petrol station when 2 Irish chaps from the travelling community came over and started being morons - one of them tried to peel off the stick on front numberplate etc …… such cretins can not be accounted for

981SPYGANG said: kmpowell said: Oh dear, I have a bright green GT4 arriving next month, I’ll report back… Drive it in your garage at night and you will be fine! It's finally arrived at the dealer(a few months late thanks to the production delays), I'm now on countdown to pickup day when I'm going to have rocks thrown at me as I drive it home...

SteveStrange said: Harry H said: Chap I knew many many years ago got himself a brand new TR7 convertible. Sat there in the town centre traffic, shades on, top down thinking he's the canines genitalia and some old tramp walks over, picks up the rubbish bin and empties it in the back of his car. He's sat there going no where, stinking to high heaven with the whole world laughing at him. Nice bloke but still makes me chuckle today even if it does make me nervous when driving a soft top. Wearing sunglasses in a convertible? Wow. String him up. I'd say that was 100% jealousy/bitterness. Including from the "whole world" laughing at him. Be honest, that's why you laughed too isn't it? Because there's no other obvious, logical, or acceptable reason. I can't see the reason for it or even worse to think its at all funny.

Pica-Pica said: Whenever I see a Porsche, they seem to be driving smoothly and calmly, hence no-one makes any particular notice. I find it’s HOW people drive not WHAT they drive that attracts any on-road comments/actions. Oh, I dunno. I drive my R8 V10 like a nutter, and have only had one person give me the bird (for overtaking him with oodles of space.....), and one call me a cu.. in a drive through for no reason at all (he can't have known!). It's more down to stereoyping I reckon. I get nothing but good feedack and reponses. You can faintly hear people down the pub right now talkling about that "w ker with a red porsche" - they just follow what others have said . Peer groups etc. Porsche, in the past, used to be the THE way to show your money. It was THE "barely" affordable very fast sports car. It was also THE yuppie car. Simple people are always going to be simple, basically. I mean, remember when the Boxster came out? Every single journo said it was a fantastic car and a bargain, and yet, the Great British public labelled it "the poor man's porsche" and scoffed at it. The intelligent labelled it a bloody bargain! I used to have a 996 and got lots of people trying to push me into a race. Never happens in the Audi. Perhaps with the R8 they know it's not worth it. Edited by Griffith4ever on Wednesday 20th July 15:55 Edited by Griffith4ever on Wednesday 20th July 15:55

Have a look on this very recent thread. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... The Porsche hate is strong.

Griffith4ever said: Have a look on this very recent thread. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... The Porsche hate is strong. In fairness the guy who started that thread didn't come across well at the outset. I can't say I get any hate when I bring my Boxster out for a drive, people are generally positive about it, I feel more conscious when i'm driving it though than when I drive my BMW 240i which is my daily, I guess I feel people will judge my driving more because they tend to notice a Porsche more than a grey BMW. The worst reaction I get is when driving the wife's Mini Countryman people love to pull out in front of the mini, cut me up etc. It's bizarre as I drive it in the same way I drive the BMW and never have an issue.

Griffith4ever said: Have a look on this very recent thread. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... The Porsche hate is strong. A fecking Ford courtesy car? ! Poor b d.

OP here. Just got back from a trip to Zandvoort in Holland and what a breath of fresh air even in this heat. Nothing but thumbs up and waves from drivers and pedestrians throughout the trip. Renewed my faith in human kindness. Back in the UK now so hope the good vibes continue. C

Good to hear!

Lexington59 said: Griffith4ever said: Have a look on this very recent thread. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... The Porsche hate is strong. A fecking Ford courtesy car? ! Poor b d. ..while paying for the Porsche, is the part you're missing.

CraigyMc said: Lexington59 said: Griffith4ever said: Have a look on this very recent thread. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... The Porsche hate is strong. A fecking Ford courtesy car? ! Poor b d. ..while paying for the Porsche, is the part you're missing. I admit I skim read the thread but I had thought he'd owned it outright? Ford is definitely not like for like, was my point, I had some sympathy for the OP unlike some of the jealous posters.

Lexington59 said: I admit I skim read the thread but I had thought he'd owned it outright? Ford is definitely not like for like, was my point, I had some sympathy for the OP unlike some of the jealous posters. Even if he own's it outright, he's still "paying for it" - he has to work to afford that. The fact some people pay slowly, and some pay in one lump sum doesn't change what they paid for something - just the method / duration. I'd be well ticked off to be given a small hatch if my car was put off the road for several months and I had like for like cover. All that time I'd be losing out on the reason I bought it, and, it would be getting older and losing value, so yes, I'd want something more fruity - I'd not expect another R8 but I'd want something interesting. Back on topic a bit - a lot of the posts on there have nothing to do with they way he put forward his plight, Calling his loaner a " cheap Ford" clearly rubbed up some people the wrong way, but most of the vitriol seems squarely aimed at the fact he owns a Porsche, and wants a similar hire car. "I’ve just coughed up a bit of sick." "Slow? How fast do you need to go. And how are you out of pocket? You'll be saving money on fuel so you owe the insurers the difference."" "If it was me, I wouldn't really care. As long as the loan car was big enough for my family" - "But what will the neighbours think?!" "nodding in agreement" "rofl Personally speaking, I really couldn't care less about what car they saw me driving, thats for sure!" "Entitled. Pathetic. First world problem. The rest of my replies get sweary." "Not crying on the internet like a spoiled child." "you think you're something better than a Ford Focus driver, but you aren't entitled to a Macan or similar." "Maybe they’ll give you a sticker for the rear window so that anyone who sees you in that dreadful Ford doesn’t think you’ve fallen on hard times and can’t afford the payments on the Porsche. Bet the neighbours windows are twitching as I write this…." "Surely they could have at least sourced a Beetle from somewhere." - OK, that's actually quite funny :-) "Just be grateful you have a car to use. Move on with life and stop the compensation questions." It goes on. I'll bet if the OP had an RS6 it would be very different in terms of replies.

dunc_sx said: Thought I'd better update this since I spoke too soon above. I've just had 2x full blown w r signs within 40miles of each other, it wasn't even anyone that knew me which was the strange thing. Alternatively, this week someone randomly asked me at my desk at work what engine was in my car because she reckons it sounds lovely Dunc.

I really don't understand the need for others to pass comment or "hate" on another persons property. Regarding a Porsche (Ok as a brand it covers a pretty big spread of price points) it says a few things to a few people and people being people react as they see fit. To the OP, I feel your pain. When I first got my Z4MR I was over joyed with it. It was a few years old but meant the world to me. The amount of negativity I got was jarring at first and then it tailed off. Maybe I became less sensitive to it or the plates age deterred peoples angst to it, no idea, When I got the M2 Comp that got the odd acknowledging nod, I do remember someone in a car park being all over it wanting to know what it was as they'd never seen one before. Fast forward a few years and I'm awaiting delivery of a Cayman GTS 4.0 (Ice Grey metallic) and as much I'm looking forward to it, I'm dreading the "You've got a nice car, you must be an absolute d**k, I'm going to damage it to vent my rage / gesticulate to you as your car offends me" Which is all sorts of weird, right? Even if I see a barried up Corsa or a Golf R with a Pop map, I'll shake my head and carry on with my day. I don't feel the need to race them, tailgate or gesticulate etc. Haters are gonna hate and I'll never understand the need of some to impact the life of a stranger negatively

I've been trying to exploit the good weather as much as possible with regular top down runs in my, pretty in your face, python green Boxster GTS . Nothing negative ,and on 2 occasions I have been approached by people when parking positively commenting on the colour and car, which I never had with any of my previous Porsches.

Griffith4ever said: Have a look on this very recent thread. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... The Porsche hate is strong. In all fairness I don't think Macan's have a good reputation. I think other Porsche's give off more 'enthusiast' vibes.

cantstopbuyingcars said: Griffith4ever said: Have a look on this very recent thread. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... The Porsche hate is strong. In all fairness I don't think Macan's have a good reputation. I think other Porsche's give off more 'enthusiast' vibes. Not tried with the 718 yet, but with other marques, I don’t think I have ever had a like for like courtesy car, when ever I have asked for one. It’s usually a middle-spec offering from what ever is in the pool at that time. Is it a standard Porsche thing to always put people in an equivalent vehicle? .

Hol said: cantstopbuyingcars said: Griffith4ever said: Have a look on this very recent thread. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... The Porsche hate is strong. In all fairness I don't think Macan's have a good reputation. I think other Porsche's give off more 'enthusiast' vibes. Not tried with the 718 yet, but with other marques, I don’t think I have ever had a like for like courtesy car, when ever I have asked for one. It’s usually a middle-spec offering from what ever is in the pool at that time. Is it a standard Porsche thing to always put people in an equivalent vehicle? . That whole thread is hilarious - it is just so Pistonheads! Edited by boitjie on Friday 12th August 13:59

A peacock attacking a Porsche. Yes you read that right. https://www.tiktok.com/@_babydollzxc/video/7131749...

"I find it’s HOW people drive not WHAT they drive that attracts any on-road comments/actions." Agree

Moosh said: "I find it’s HOW people drive not WHAT they drive that attracts any on-road comments/actions." Agree Have to agree. I have a bright red 981 with black wheels, it isn’t exactly subtle - never had any negative feedback…

So far, I haven’t noticed anything different to other less unusual cars I have owned, but I am starting to get paranoid, reading some of the tales on here. Yesterday, I had a Golf R that looked to be closely following me on the motorway. But, in hindsight, he might just have decided I was keeping left at the appropriate times and going fast enough for him anyway.

In the year that I've had mine, I haven't noticed anything in terms of hate despite having a "look at me" lump of a spoiler and housing (or whatever you call it). Sure, some people get excited and tailgate me hoping that I drive faster, but most don't. And despite me referring to other Porsche drivers as Porsche w kers (ie "look at that Porsche w ker" or saying "Porsches are so common!" to my passenger ), I've only had positive remarks from others.

I think the area we live in makes a big difference. I live in the extremely safe Conservative constituency of Surrey Heath. In areas like this, people admire the aspirational spirit that a Porsche stands for, and I get nothing but respect for my speed yellow 987.

Interesting thread …have never owned a Porsche but got the coffee beans a couple of times in my V10 plus R8 which suprised me tbh...my old V12 Vantage and my current Mclaren universally loved by the public...I think being British built cars helps in some way. In general for the jealous types who comment negatively on someone else's car if only they could realise you having that car makes not a jot of difference to their (miserable) lives.

Some jealous snapped the rear wiper off my cayman S the other night and gouged the paint on the boot lid. Hope they get run over.

RSbandit said: Interesting thread …have never owned a Porsche but got the coffee beans a couple of times in my V10 plus R8 which suprised me tbh...my old V12 Vantage and my current Mclaren universally loved by the public...I think being British built cars helps in some way. In general for the jealous types who comment negatively on someone else's car if only they could realise you having that car makes not a jot of difference to their (miserable) lives. Going along with the ‘it’s how it’s being driven’ theme whenever I see any R8, for some bizarre reason, more often than not it’s being driven in an attention seeking kinda way…….still in second gear when it prob should be in 3rd or 4th or being hammered for 50 yards in a small gap in the traffic.

and31 said: Some jealous snapped the rear wiper off my cayman S the other night and gouged the paint on the boot lid. Hope they get run over. I do fear that we will see more of this as this recession gets into full swing. I think I would be minded to hide away anything "flash".

981SPYGANG said: RSbandit said: Interesting thread …have never owned a Porsche but got the coffee beans a couple of times in my V10 plus R8 which suprised me tbh...my old V12 Vantage and my current Mclaren universally loved by the public...I think being British built cars helps in some way. In general for the jealous types who comment negatively on someone else's car if only they could realise you having that car makes not a jot of difference to their (miserable) lives. Going along with the ‘it’s how it’s being driven’ theme whenever I see any R8, for some bizarre reason, more often than not it’s being driven in an attention seeking kinda way…….still in second gear when it prob should be in 3rd or 4th or being hammered for 50 yards in a small gap in the traffic. To anyone reading my reply, when I'm a pedestrian, if you're in an R8, please do the above.

Complete luck of the draw I'd say. If you have any car which could be perceived as 'flash', eventually someone will take exception to it. That is the sad reality of it, and as the poster says above, that will likely increase the longer living costs rise. People aren't overwhelming patriotic when they see a Lotus; it's just most people don't think they're that expensive, and therefore aren't threatened. That's of course the same reason why some will choose a Boxster over an Elise - they like that people think they're driving something expensive. We all make judgements about what others drive and then make assumptions of what they're like as drivers. In the same day I'd jump from my Smart and be let out of every junction (but cut in front of at motorway exits), to then treated with a very wide berth in my drug dealer spec all black RS6. In the Porsche people would clearly avoid making eye contact so they didn't feel like they needed to let me out of junctions.

Shnozz said: and31 said: Some jealous snapped the rear wiper off my cayman S the other night and gouged the paint on the boot lid. Hope they get run over. I do fear that we will see more of this as this recession gets into full swing. I think I would be minded to hide away anything "flash". I fear you’re right. The imminent recession combined with the continual demonisation of the motorcar makes ‘flash’ cars an ever-obvious target.

If you get the coffee beans from someone the best option is to agree vigorously. Wide smile, nodding head, thumbs up! Disarm the vibe. Make them laugh. Drive off leaving them in their s t-tip of broken dreams.

I had a great cycle ride with friends on Sunday displaying a new level of anti-Porsche to me. 'Tim, Why did you go and buy a 'Porschea' Cause I wanted one, 'Yeah but a Porsche. '